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Boston Red Sox at Oakland Athletics, 7:30 PM ET (game 3)

Here's one for armchair managers. Do you start the lefthander Ted Lilly in Fenway Park against a potent Boston lineup, or do you go with the inexperienced fireballer Rich Harden? Personally, I don't think experience (or lack thereof) is as important as going with the pitcher who's best equiped to succeed in a given environment: I would have gone with Harden.



Derek Lowe (2002/2003)
versusABHHRTBWKHBPSBCSOBPSLGK pctW pct
right74417810245 4512213106.294.329.152.057
left83820419309 7511510214.313.369.125.082

Grady Little has set up his rotation correctly, going with groundballer Derek Lowe where he has the most value, Fenway Park.

Oakland Athletics versus Righthanded Pitchers (2002/2003)
PlayerABH2B3BHRWKSBCSHBPavgobpslg
B McMillon1363911051928002.287.382.478
E Durazo53213931 228114112122.261.394.485
M Tejada994297580 44561278015.299.346.490
E Chavez819251577481021351131.306.384.569
R Hernandez62816729019561120015.266.340.403
S Hatteberg7982174442110879016.272.363.416
M Ellis69218234711691198110.263.339.380
T Long77718838 52565105652.242.302.400
E Byrnes31878207 83558924.245.328.428

notes: OBP is calculated without including sac flies (H+W+HBP)/(AB+W+HBP); player in red indicates the batter is at a platoon disadvantage.

Tejada flip flops with Chavez to create an alternating lefty-righty lineup. Macha is going with two extra lefthanded bats - McMillon and Long. Only the 4 up-the-middle defenders for the A's will suffer a platoon disadvantage in this game. I look for the A's to play a little more small-ball than usual (even though they are on the road), with possible run and hits and possibly a steal attempt or two.


Ted Lilly (2002/2003)
versusABHHRTBWKHBPSBCSOBPSLGK pctW pct
right83620935372 741719262.318.445.186.081
left240504761553242.261.317.206.059

For a lefthander, Ted Lilly is vulnerable to the stolen base, which makes Johnny Damon a threat if he can get on. If Lilly gets in trouble early, look for Rich Harden to come in against all those righthanded bats.



Boston Red Sox versus Lefthanded Pitchers (2002/2003)
PlayerABH2B3BHRWKSBCSHBPavgobpslg
J Damon350101198 62840343.289.346.440
N Garciaparra28997215101829534.336.383.547
B Mueller2416618 1112936003.274.359.494
M Ramirez21687210144025101.403.498.694
D Ortiz2344915191356003.209.260.397
K Millar2537617 083236012.300.383.462
J Varitek25473161122443214.287.358.500
G Kapler1925517 301629420.286.341.406
D Jackson147348001121730.231.285.286

notes: OBP is calculated without including sac flies (H+W+HBP)/(AB+W+HBP); player in red indicates the batter is at a platoon disadvantage.

The power hitting righthanders, most notably Ramirez, Garciaparra and Millar, will take aim at the Monster against Lilly. Benching Jason Varitek would have been a crime today. The Sox will go with 7 righthanded bats, with Damian Jackson bolstering the infield defence. But David Ortiz is again the DH; perhaps Little is hoping David can hit it the opposite way.

Division Series: Saturday, October 4th, 2003 | 23 comments | Create New Account
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Coach - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#89105) #
Who's calling the shots at Sportsnet? This afternoon, they showed one game on a regional channel. Now that the AL game has begun, why couldn't they switch to it on one of their many channels?

Lilly gave up a leadoff double and a walk, then struck out the side. Scoreless after one.
Coach - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 08:34 PM EDT (#89106) #
The A's have made three errors in the first two innings. One of them was charged to Eric Chavez on the botched rundown that led to an interference call and the game's only run.

Derek Lowe's sinker is really sinking; he has struck out two and retired seven on ground balls. He's thrown 38 pitches (27 for strikes) in three innings.
robertdudek - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#89107) #
What a bizarre top of the 6th for the Athletics. I'm patiently awaiting Craig's analysis of the obstruction/non-obstruction call against Mueller on Tejada.

Joe Morgan says that the catcher has the right to block the plate if he is reaching for the ball. Bill James discussed the blocking the plate issue in his first Historical Abstract, basically concluding that the modern method catchers use is illegal. By current practice, it was clearly not illegal and Varitek made a great block on Byrnes, who then failed to go back and touch the plate (he was in pain, but that's no excuse).

John Miller made the point that Byrnes' shoving of Varitek after the latter was retrieving the ball should have constituted obstruction and the ball should have been ruled dead (perhaps necessitating the runners returning to 1st and 2nd).

Lots to discuss here.

Oakland did tie it 1-1.
_StephenT - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#89108) #
If you only get, say, Sportsnet Pacific where you live, and Sportsnet switched it to the Fenway game, fans watching the Cubs game would have a legitimate beef (unless they also got Fox, though the analog Fox channel 36 on Rogers in Ottawa was blank when I checked it at 4pm today, so apparently it's not reliable (digital Fox 234 worked in Ottawa)).

I was impressed that Sportsnet did carry both 1pm games (viewers who only get the local version didn't have a choice of which, but they got to see the whole game that they started with).

I think the real problem is that it is illegal to get ESPN and ESPN2 on cable in Canada. I believe Americans have been able to see every inning of every playoff game on either ESPN, ESPN2 or Fox. (And they also get to see Baseball Tonight broadcasts on ESPN, which we don't get to see.)
Coach - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#89109) #
Weird stuff in this one. Eric Byrnes should have scored, but was flipped by a great block of the plate by Varitek. While the ball rolled to the backstop, a limping Byrnes was more interested in shoving the catcher than touching the plate, and the ump, correctly, made no call until Varitek finally tagged him out. That was mild, compared to what happened next.

Miguel Tejada, rounding third to count the second Oakland run when an easy bouncer went under Nomar's glove, bumped into Bill Mueller and assumed he would be awarded home. No such luck; he was tagged out while strolling to the plate and imploring the ump to make the call. So it remains 1-1 despite two additional Oakland runners who were pretty sure they had scored.

Robert's prediction was absolutely right -- the A's are playing aggressive small-ball, they just haven't completed the plays.
Coach - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#89110) #
What a gritty performance by Ted Lilly. Seven innings of 2-hitter, one unearned run. After 106 pitches, he's done for the night, and Chad Bradford takes over. Immediately, there's another controversy. Nomar was apparently retired 5-3, but they ruled "no pitch" because Bradford didn't come to a full stop. Given a second life, Garciaparra reached on an infield hit.

Meanwhile, warming up in the Boston bullpen is one Pedro Martinez.
robertdudek - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#89111) #
Steve Palermo was interviewed. His analysis:

The 3B ump correctly called obstruction on Mueller, but since a play was not being made on Tejada, the play continued. Tejada apparently under the impression that on such a play the ball is dead and he is awarded the next base, SLOWED UP and was tagged out about 15 feet shy of the plate.

My take:

The umps confered and decided that Tejada would not have scored. I think this is the correct call. There's no doubt that Tejada would have scored HAD HE NOT SLOWED DOWN. But he did slow down and that was his own fault, since the ball was live. The umps can give him an extra yard or two because of his brief loss of momentum as Mueller collided with him, but he gets nothing for slowing down on his own.

Had he run full out, I'm sure the home plate ump would have called him safe.

Brain cramp number 2 in that inning, and the third one since the third inning (Hernandez muffed a popup that Chavez should have called him off on). They also made lots of errors in the 2nd, but I didn't see those happen (the Cubs game was concluding).
Coach - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#89112) #
How the mighty have fallen. They pitched to Manny Ramirez, now 1-for-12 after flailing at three inside fastballs, with first base open. Then they put David Ortiz on, to get to Kevin Millar, who met the same fate as Manny. Bradford doesn't throw hard on the radar gun, but his underhand stuff baffles some pretty good hitters. Makes you wonder why more pitchers don't try coming from down under.
Coach - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#89113) #
Two dandy innings of work by Mike Timlin, who helped himself with a couple of fine fielding plays. This game hasn't been "textbook," but it's sure been exciting.
Coach - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#89114) #
Varitek led off with a bloop single, and this time Grady remembered he should pinch-run, but Gabe Kapler, after two pitiful bunt attempts, hit into a 5-4-3 double play. They should have tried the steal; Bradford has that long, funky windup and Brown has good wheels.
_S.K. - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#89115) #
I fully support announcers shutting up and letting the crowd do the talking, but I was out of the room - who hit that?
_S.K. - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#89116) #
Okay, it was Nixon.

Sox win 3-1 in the bottom of the 11th on a two-run dinger by Trot Nixon. Great game!
robertdudek - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#89117) #
Pinch-hitter Trot Nixon. Rich Harden isn't the best guy to bring into a situation like that. I wonder if Foulke was unavailable due to fatigue, or was being saved for when the Athletics took the lead. I suspect the latter and I don't think it's a good idea.
_S.K. - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#89118) #
I was wondering about bringing in Harden there too. Why does Macha seem to only want to bring Rich in when it's in extra innings?
_Donkit R.K. - Saturday, October 04 2003 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#89119) #
Man... October has been fun
Pepper Moffatt - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#89120) #
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Man, today was a blast! I watched the game with a bunch of friends and my Dad. I can't remember the last time there was a day when I saw so many weird/unusual baseball plays.

The umps got the Tejada call *exactly* right. Fortunately one of the guests I had over has umpired even more games than I have, so it was fun to have somebody to talk to about it. We pretty much agreed instantly that the umps got it right. I have a feeling the umps knew they did too and were just conversing to pat each other on the back.

Rule 7.06(b) makes it pretty clear:

7.06(b) If no play is being made on the obstructed runner, the play shall proceed until no further action is possible. The umpire shall then call "Time" and impose such penalties, if any, as in his judgment will nullify the act of obstruction. Under 7.06 (b) when the ball is not dead on obstruction and an obstructed runner advances beyond the base which, in the umpire's judgment, he would have been awarded because of being obstructed, he does so at his own peril and may be tagged out. This is a judgment call.

On a play like that with other runners you DO NOT KILL THE PLAY. You did exactly what the 3rd base ump did. You raise one hand to signal obstruction, wait for the play to stop, then move runner(s) around as necessary. Why on earth Tejada stopped running is beyond me.

There's also an unwritten rule of umpiring that on a close judgement call you never give the call to the team who just made the boneheaded play. There was no way the umps were going to say that Tejada would have otherwise scored after he quit running halfway through.

Before I start kissing too much butt, there is one rule that I've seen butchered this year nonstop. It's the rules dealing with hit by pitch. Rule 6.08(b) states:

6.08(b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless

(1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or

(2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball;

If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched.

The two things that are screwed up the most are:

* WHICH HE IS NOT ATTEMPTING TO HIT

I've seen too many plays where the guy swings (and not in avoidance), gets hit, and he gets first.

* THE BALL IS IN THE STRIKE ZONE

There's been quite a few plays this year where a guy gets hit when he's bunting and the pitch is clearly in the strike zone. This one really bugs me.

Oh well.. enough ranting.

Cheers,

Mike
_John - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 02:09 AM EDT (#89121) #
The funny thing about this is that I can almost hear Tejada thinking to himself: "It's obstruction, and I get an extra base, JUST LIKE LAST INNING when Chavez obstructed, and the runner got sent home." Why did the 3b ump immediately stop all play that inning and send the runner home, when he was headed in the opposite direction? And if that play hadn't happened, would Tejada have kept running when he was obstructed, and not assumed he got home automatically?

How many games have obstruction happening three times (if you include Byrnes)?

John
Pepper Moffatt - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#89122) #
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Why did the 3b ump immediately stop all play that inning and send the runner home, when he was headed in the opposite direction?

7.06(b)

"If no play is being made on the obstructed runner, the play shall proceed until no further action is possible."

In the Tejada case, further action *was* possible because there were other baserunners. In the previous case, there were no other baserunners so the ump was allowed to kill the play.

Mike
Pepper Moffatt - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#89123) #
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Also, there's the obvious point that there still was a potential play on Tejada, whereas the BoSox baserunner wasn't going to go anywhere after he was on 3rd.

Cheers,

Mike
_John - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 10:43 AM EDT (#89124) #
But there were other runners on Chavez' play. Remember all those other errors (from CBSSportsline):

Kevin Millar: Ball, Strike looking, Foul, Millar reached on an infield single.
Jason Varitek: Strike looking, Strike looking, Ball, Foul, Varitek safe at first on shortstop Tejada's fielding error, Millar to second.
Gabe Kapler: Ball, Kapler safe at first on 3rd baseman Chavez's throwing error, Millar out at third, Varitek to third.
Damian Jackson: Strike looking, Jackson reached on fielder's choice to third, Varitek scored, Kapler to second on 3rd baseman Chavez's interference error.
Johnny Damon: Strike looking, Damon flied out to left.
Nomar Garciaparra: Strike looking, Foul, Garciaparra popped out to second.
End of Inning (1 Run, 1 Hit, 3 Errors)

And why did the ump send the runner home when he wasn't going to make it there at all, only possibly get back to third at best?

John
_Wildrose - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 11:05 AM EDT (#89125) #
While the call may have been "technically " correct , I don't think justice was served. The Bo-sox got away with impeding a runner who would almost surely have scored, thats not right. Still Tejada through his lack of hustle gave the umpires a way out. If I'm Billy Beane I get Pete Rose reinstatedand ,make him my third base coach. These guys need to slide on close tags(Giambi),plow over catchers blocking the plate(Byrnes), and otherwise hustle all the way home.
robertdudek - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#89126) #
Wildrose,

Well no. Ask yourself what would have happened if Tejada had tripped and fallen on his way home? Tejada failed to score solely due to his own action (slowing down). Justice was served.
Pepper Moffatt - Sunday, October 05 2003 @ 07:31 PM EDT (#89127) #
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And why did the ump send the runner home when he wasn't going to make it there at all, only possibly get back to third at best?

Because of the first part of rule 7.06(a)

7.06(a) If a play is being made on the obstructed runner, or if the batter runner is obstructed before he touches first base, the ball is dead and all runners shall advance, without liability to be put out, to the bases they would have reached, in the umpire's judgment, if there had been no obstruction. The obstructed runner shall be awarded at least one base beyond the base he had last legally touched before the obstruction.

(emphasis mine)

In baseball there's essentially two types of obstruction. There's obstruction when a play is being made on the runner 7.06(a), and obstruction when a play is *not* being made on a runner 7.06(b). The two types are treated differently.

I must admit that I forgot that time is always called on a type (a) obstruction. I hope I haven't called that one wrong before, but given that coaches never know the rules, it isn't a big deal. :)

Cheers,

Mike
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