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The guys who are free agents who don't cost a draft pick, or more than the ML minimum, is out with over 500 names to choose from.  Can any help the Jays?


From http://thegameofbaseball.myblog.it/ and http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/minor-league-free-agents

Blue Jay minor league free agents...

Pitchers
: RHP T.J. Beam, LHP Fabio Castro, RHP James Lehman, LHP Chris Michalak, LHP Davis Romero, RHP Sean Smith
Catchers
: Adair Betegon, Kyle Phillips
Infielders
: Howie Clark, Jesus Gonzalez, Kevin Howard, Angel Sanchez
Outfielders
: Buck Coats, Nick Gorneault, Jason Lane,  Bartolo Nicolas

Nice that Phillips got his ML shot (I'm assuming this list is right) before getting a shot at free agency. Seeing Angel Snachez on the list helps explain why the Jays may not have felt the need to take a look-see.  Fabio Castro is a guy I'd think the Jays want to hold onto though while Davis Romero is probably gone in an attempt to find an opportunity.

Interesting names include Josh Barfield, John-Ford Griffin, Mark Bellhorn (yes, he is still active), Gustavo Chacin, Ty Taubenheim, J.R. House (who has yet to get a real shot at the majors and after a 650 OPS last year is probably never going to - lifetime 809 in AAA for a catcher sure looks good), Tim Raines Jr., ...

Always a lot of guys who never quite made it or who are hanging on for one last shot at glory.  Who is worth signing, who isn't?  The Jays obviously need to replace a few guys in AAA and AA for 2010 so those teams are competitive and there is no pressure to overpromote prospects.  Odds are none will be stars or even regulars in the majors at this point.  Might get a few good bullpen guys, utility players, maybe even a platoon partner for someone. 

Shortstop is now a big time priority with even our AAA shortstop out there for whoever wants him.  A solid catcher who wants some shot at ML playing time must be out there too.  Ben Davis is a knuckleballer who is interesting but I doubt the Jays will bite with their depth.

Anyone see a solid backup SS or backup catcher there?

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whiterasta80 - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 02:33 PM EST (#208463) #

Well, after a quick glance I'd definitely give Jerry Owens a call.  Perfect 4th Outfielder with decent CF defense and Speed.  Tim Raines JR. might be a plan B for the same reasons.

Vance Wilson I'd look into as a C.  Not great, but he has some experience which we're seriously lacking right now.

Jorge Julio has some upside too as a power, late inning guy if he can ever get his head straight. Maybe Arensberg can... Oh, wait.

Dallas MacPherson had serious power back in the day and I always welcome adding that attribute to our system. But admittedly I have no idea what he's doing now.

And I hear this Russ Adams could be a solution at SS.  He's so good that a team actually passed on Troy Tulowitzky for him back in the day.

Geoff - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 03:13 PM EST (#208465) #
How can you not like Ben Davis?: a major leaguer for seven years with a career majors&minors K:BB ratio of 7:1 and 10.80 K/9 IP.
Jdog - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 03:43 PM EST (#208466) #

Ryan Shealy is someone I wouldn't mind the Jays taking a flyer on, but they have Dopirak and Ruiz.

Bobby Scales would be some good depth at 3B.

TimberLee - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 03:57 PM EST (#208467) #

I'd give Danny Ardoin and JR House a look as catcher because we know they can do SOMETHING, even if neither is likely to be a  regular ML catcher.

Owens or Toronto's own Coats could be a usable fourth OF, and Brian Buscher is likely going to get a shot somewhere because he hits.

mathesond - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 04:27 PM EST (#208468) #
I remember picking up Ben Davis in my fantasy league a couple years running, expecting him to break out and be a source of cheap catcher power. Would that his name remained faded from my memory.

As for the Russ Adams-Tulowitzki connection, I think they were drafted a few years apart. I do recall the Jays taking a lefty (name of Romero) while this Tulo character was on the board. I also seem to recall EVERY damn draft prediction saying they Jays would do just that
christaylor - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 05:02 PM EST (#208469) #
We've gone over the decision to not take Tulo multiple times so I am loathe to start this again but... I am even more firmly on the side that, given the information available at the time (that Adams or Hill would play short). Tulo would have been a good pick but an advanced major league pitcher was a good choice.
John Northey - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 05:06 PM EST (#208470) #
The 2005 draft was an interesting one.  The top 7 picks have all had significant playing time in the majors already with just one hitter under 250 games (Jeff Clement at 75) and Ricky with his 29 ML games so far.  The next pick, #8, sure has stunk it up though - Wade Townsend who has just 22 1/3 IP above A ball for the Rays (thought they were supposed to be the smart ones).  The next 4 picks also have had significant time (80+ games each) before another blown pick by the Orioles (OK, could still be decent but a 788 OPS in the minors for a 1B isn't impressive with a 671 in AAA last year).  That covers picks #1 to 13 - just 2 without reaching majors with only 1 of the other 11 having under 75 games played (Ricky) and he is a starting pitcher.

For comparison, in 2004 5 of the top 10 have yet to reach the majors and the same for 3 of the top 6 in 2003, and 2 of the top 5 in 2002 with the top pick of 2002 going 0-5 as a pitcher with 0 saves and the #4 pick learning how to hit in the Jays minors after flopping as a pitcher.  Ick.
Thomas - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 05:42 PM EST (#208471) #
If I were the Jays I'd try to grab Phillips, Castro and Sanchez back. Other names I'd target include Winston Abreu (RP, TB), Donnie Murphy (SS, BAL), Paul McAnulty (OF, COL) and John Rodriguez (OF, NYY).

Abreu doesn't throw anything special, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he played a passable Shawn Camp should Camp get hurt or traded or non-tendered. Murphy's a useful utility infielder or Triple-A insurance. Those two could be useful. McAnulty is a Triple-A slugger who alternates between good and bad years. He's due for a good year, so let's see what happens. Rodriguez has a brief moment in the sun with the Cards in 2006, but he's also put up an .872 OPS in over 1900 Triple-A plate appearances.

I'm sure there are some guys I'm missing, but those four of the guys I would be on the phone to without delay.

Other names I'd consider are Chris Lubanski (OF, KC) and Virgil Vasquez (SP, PIT). Lubanski is a former first-rounder who has not done much, but if there is space for playing time, I'd give him a year and see what happens. Vasquez would plug nicely into the Triple-A rotation if Castro leaves. If the team needs a catcher or two, I don't see a lot out there, but I try for Robby Hammock (BAL) or perhaps JD Closser (LA). If they need a backup I have a soft spot for Sal Fasano or Torontonian John Suomi.
cybercavalier - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 05:59 PM EST (#208472) #
Out of the management standpoint of awarding player with contracts due to their performances, I would hang on to Fabio Castro, Kyle Phillips, Kevin Howard and Buck Coats. Jerry Owens deserves a call in at AAA. In Vegas next season, I would mind starting Aaron Matthews, Owens and Coats from left to right. In the infield, Howard, McCoy, Hoffpauir and Dopirak. Phillips to catch. Bobby Scales is okay too to take over Howard. Anyhow, the Jays has no urgent need at 3B with Encarnacion playing regularly and JBautista as the backup guy.  Recalling the 10 or 11 wins in a 13 consecutive games in August (correct my number if I am wrong, but I believe we are getting the sense here), the Ruiz, Snider and Dopirak trio was in the midst of it. Now with two of them up with the Jays for good, at least batter with power is needed to complement Dopirak, can Arencibia be that person? Or assuming McCoy playing shortstop for Vegas, keep either one of Coats and Owens. For starting lineup at Vegas: SS McCoy, OF Coats/Owens, 2B Hoffpauir,  1B Dopirak, C/DH Phillips, C/DH Arencibia, 3B Howard, OF Matthews, OF Adam Calderone.  Mayerson at bench.
cybercavalier - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 06:17 PM EST (#208473) #
Nice picks, Thomas. I am a bit hesitate towards Sanchez if McCoy is to start at SS for Vegas but it is always good to have players whom you have seen their acceptable performances. I would also sign McAnulty as the DH and part time OF and 1B to complement Dopirak. Hammock, Closser, House, are worth shots at the second-tier after Barajas. John Soumi....I believe our catching position is crowded with Arencibia and Phillips with Jeroloman in AA.
TamRa - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 06:36 PM EST (#208474) #
Actually did a blog post on this earlier today. my picks:

Retain Castro and Phillips if possible

Replace Jose Bautista with Ruben Gotay (102 BB, 69 K in 2009 according to Dave Cameron)

Add Jerry Owens as a 4th OF/pinch runner

Joel Guzman or Dallas McPhearson (who apparently didn't play at all this year) as AA 3B and potential reclamation (Guzman is only 25 next year)

Chris Lubanski (also still relatively young) or Michael Restovich in place of Jason lane (Restovich will be 31 next year but he consistantly rakes AAA pitching and hasn't ever gotten a clean shot at the majors. Him and Ruiz could commiserate at least)

There are other fringy guys who would be interesting who didn't make that list, including some potential non-tenders. Think guys like matt murton.

Hell, all this excess scouting ought to turn up something.

Also, I'd have Chad Cordero come in and throw for the scouts in the spring and see if he got his velocity back (Cameron says he was hovering around 80 in the M's low minors this year)


Jim - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 08:27 PM EST (#208475) #
I love the proliferation of blogs and the level of scrutiny it has added to things like minor league free agents, but if you think that John-Ford Griffin and Gustavo Chacin are interesting names you probably need a second hobby.  
Magpie - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 08:37 PM EST (#208476) #
Hey, they forgot Josh Towers! (The Yankees outrighted Towers and Freddy Guzman to the minors last week; they both declined the assignment and became free agents.)

It's rather interesting to have this list and follow these guys in 2010. How many will sign minor league contracts? With a spring training invite? How many of them will see major league action? How many of them will get started on that post-baseball career?
cybercavalier - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 09:24 PM EST (#208477) #

but if you think that John-Ford Griffin and Gustavo Chacin are interesting names you probably need a second hobby. 

May I know why?

Jim - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 09:51 PM EST (#208479) #
John Ford Griffin turns 30 years old Thursday.  He has 27 plate appearances in the major leagues.  This year he had a .757 OPS in the PCL.  He has no speed, no defensive value.  If you are trying to build a winning major league baseball team he is about as useful as a third nipple. 

Chacin struck out 5.2 and walked 3.5 a game in AAA in 2009 at the age of 28.  How is signing Gustavo Chacin going to help a major league baseball team win games in 2010? 

Most of those players aren't interesting at all.  It's just a process where you write an article in the offseason naming as many failed prospects and injured pitchers as possible so if one of them has a solid 100 plate appearances in San Diego after their entire roster gets injured in the middle of a 70 win season the writer can remind us how smart they were to point out the freely available talent in the offseason. 

We get it.  There are 2 or 3 players who have stunk out the joint in AAA the past two years who are going to contribute a few wins above replacement in the majors next season.  No one has any idea who they are and if you are the team 'lucky' enough to find out who they are that means you just had plans A-D blow up in your face and you got lucky that JFG hit 8 home runs in a month. 

Most of these guys are going to sign somewhere because they have a relationship with someone in the minor league system or because they want to be in a certain AAA city.   Pretending that there is some real way to legitimately upgrade an organization by being extremely talented in acquiring minor league free agents is a joke. 

Ben Davis has as much chance of producing on the major league level as a random 5th year division III college senior who signs for a bus ticket to the NY-Penn League.  If you hold the lottery ticket it doesn't mean you are smarter then everyone, it means you are luckier then everyone.

tercet - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 10:15 PM EST (#208481) #
I was a bit puzzled when the Jays removed Kyle Phillips from their 40man roster in early November.  In his September callup he didn't look that bad at all in my opinion, unlike Thigpen, Diaz, and the other 20 something rookie catcher's that looked overmatched in past years in September.
tercet - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 10:23 PM EST (#208482) #
Joel Guzman could be another reclamation prospect like Dopirak was 2 years ago.  I recall listening to a BA podcast few weeks ago saying how high everyone thought of Guzman after his 2004 season.  But apparently he put on alot of weight, and become too much of a free swinger hence his crazy BB-K ratios over the past few seasons.
92-93 - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 11:13 PM EST (#208484) #
"Ben Davis has as much chance of producing on the major league level as a random 5th year division III college senior who signs for a bus ticket to the NY-Penn League."

Jim, the personal attacks hurt. I'm one of the best players in the Skyline Conference!
Thomas - Tuesday, November 17 2009 @ 11:21 PM EST (#208485) #
Most of these guys are going to sign somewhere because they have a relationship with someone in the minor league system or because they want to be in a certain AAA city.

If this is the case, why don't most minor-league free agents re-sign with the teams that let them go? After all, they presumably wanted to play in that city (in most cases unless this is their first crack at free agency) and, since you've declared there's no way to legitimately determine who is going to be good and who isn't going to be good next year, why don't teams just stick with the names they know?

Jim - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 07:32 AM EST (#208489) #
A lot of these guys will sign with orgainizations they have been with before.  I'm sure some of the former Jays will end up in Dick Scott's system.

Here is the whole list:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/y2009/free_agents.jsp

I only spent 10 minutes looking at it, but there is not a single name on there that I would say is my 25th man going into the season.  I don't even see a half dozen names I'd care to stash in AAA. 

I guess it comes down to your definition of 'interesting'.  If interesting to you is that Josh Phelps was flailing away in the Eastern League last August, then sure that's interesting, if you think it's interesting that Josh Phelps is available to be employed by your organization then I couldn't disagree more.  If you are the 'lucky' team to pull a winning lottery ticket out of that list then you probably are screwed anyway. 

nanook - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 08:57 AM EST (#208493) #
Jim, you're probably right, but your tone is deaf.
We're not here speculating on these names because we think the next Mickey Mantle is lurking somewhere.
We're speculating because it's the off season and that's what hardcore baseball fans do.
You don't have to participate.



Thomas - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 09:16 AM EST (#208496) #
A lot of these guys will sign with orgainizations they have been with before.

And a lot don't. To take Josh Phelps, since you raised him, he's spent the last four years with PIT-DET-STL-SFG. That looks to me like someone looking for an opportunity and not someone signing in places because one year he wants to play in Toledo and then because he knows the Cards Assistant Director of Scouting.

Obviously there is a lot of luck involved in happening to sign a guy when he puts together a great minor league season and obviously great teams won't hit on these players as often as the Padres, as their roster is weaker and has more holes. But to pretend there is no way of improving your roster through minor league FAs and that any successful signings are due to luck is disingenuous.

Three years ago you can't tell me that you'd have looked at Jack Cust, Nick Gorneault and Mike Colangelo and tell me the odds were evenly split about who would be most likely to get 1,500 plate appearances from 2007-2009.

Mike Green - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 10:08 AM EST (#208499) #
I'd be interested in a couple of post TJ start-to-relief projects- Clint Everts and Rocky Cherry. 
Jim - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 11:03 AM EST (#208500) #

Obviously it takes two to tango.  Josh Phelps isn't good enough to pick where he plays.  That's why he was stinking the joint out in Norwich at the end of the year.  The good AAA players who can help a team win the International League certainly balance the opportunity they will get to move up with what city and organization they are playing in. 

Josh Phelps signed with San Francisco because he thought they had a chance to get back to the majors with them?  Please, when you are 32 and in AA you are just putting off finding a real job. 

If my tone is deaf then what is the tone of the internet writers who constantly act as though they are smarter then the average GM yet somehow think that Ben Davis throwing 10 good innings in the Carolina League when he's 32 means that he's somehow 'interesting'.  Some of these sites are written with a look how smart I am angle that I'm growing tired of.

Everyone with a pulse gets that freely available talent exists, trying to pretend that because you have access to baseball-reference makes you qualified to figure out what 33 year old journeyman is going to have a good month in Pittsburgh next year so you can tell us I told you so is getting old.

John Northey - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 12:37 PM EST (#208505) #
Oookay.  Looks like the tone is getting a bit nasty here. 

The idea here was ...
  1. See if any players are out there who could be useful spare parts
  2. Find out which ex-Jays (or near Jays) are now either still kicking or free to a good home
  3. See if any gems are sitting out there no one else here has heard of (with over 500 names it is a looooong list)
That is why Chacin and Phelps and guys like that are 'interesting'.  Some hated seeing Chacin go as his 2005 was a very fun year.  Tim Raines Jr always catches my eye (as does Josh Barfield) as he is the son of a major leaguer who I loved to follow years ago. 

This is the time of year for die-hard baseball addicts (as we all must be) to have fun digging through names and seeing who did what last year.  Seeing who you missed, who you forgot about (Phelps was in AA?  JR House forgot how to hit?). 

Of note: Phelps hit in AAA 291/373/568 in 2008 mainly at 1B, then had to go begging for a job ending up with just 21 PA in rookie ball and 32 in AA.  In 2007 he hit 306/399/503 over 183 PA then got just 36 PA since in the majors.  He seems like a guy who should've got more chances but something was wrong somewhere - attitude or who knows what - and now he is probably going to end up in an indy league somewhere pounding the ball around but never again getting a shot at the show.  To me that is interesting.  If it isn't to you then just go to a different blog entry and post your guesses on trades or whatever you happen to enjoy.
Chuck - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 01:03 PM EST (#208508) #

The ripple effect of 7-man bullpens is that a guy like Phelps get squeezed out of major league opportunities. And within the context of today's roster construction (which of course is itself worthy of debate), I can't see that a team could easily carry a Phelps.

He brings nothing to table defensively. He can play 1B , where he is lousy. So he offers nothing in the way of versatility.

He doesn't have the cachet (and utility) of being a LHB so would not be seen as a viable fulltime PH in the NL. Do such beasts even still exist, the Lenny Harris/Mark Sweeney types? (I imagine that RHBs like Ruiz and Dopirak are also climbing a steep hill, where major league opportunity is concerned, because of their handedness. And perhaps this is justifiable to large degree.)

Despite a fairly flat career L/R OPS split of 859/790, Phelps would probably be seen as nothing more than a RHB to face LHP, either in a platoon at 1B or DH. Twenty years ago, he could have John Wockenfuss's career. Or platooned with Terry Crowley for Earl Weaver. Today, he just didn't bring enough to the table.

Thomas - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 02:31 PM EST (#208512) #
Josh Phelps signed with San Francisco because he thought they had a chance to get back to the majors with them?

Yes, I think that Phelps evaluated whatever offers he received in terms of his opportunity to play in the majors. That being said, I doubt he had many, because he's never going to play in the majors again for many of the reasons listed in the post above. But, I do think the good "AAA" players sign, in large part, where they think the best opportunities will be presented. The chance of two months of major league salary is more important than playing in Fresno or Toledo for most of them.

I agree it's often, in large parts, determined by luck. That being said, if you want to pretend that Jack Cust and Nick Gorneault have the same chance at major league success or that Donnie Murphy or JJ Furmaniak and Rocky Cherry or Chris Michalak have the same odds, go ahead.

John Northey - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 02:36 PM EST (#208514) #
And this brings up the question of Ruiz in 2010.  Like Phelps he isn't good defensively (viewed as poor at LF/RF/1B).  Like Phelps he kills left handed pitching and is perfect for a platoon role. 

Next year the Jays have a few choices at a few spots.  Ruiz is one of those oddities.  He hit well enough to deserve a shot in 2010 and given his age it would be a last shot.  Smart usage would allow a sort of platoon where he'd DH vs all left handers while Lind/Overbay/Snider alternate who gets the day off - if it is Overbay then Lind goes to 1B, if Snider then Lind in LF.  Assuming a new outfielder who can field is signed that is (ideally CF and shift Wells to RF of course).

Phelps could've had that role, and if the Jays wanted to they could sign him to a AAA deal and have him as a backup to Ruiz as the RH part of it (assuming the Jays go cheap here of course and don't trade for/sign someone more expensive).

I do miss the days of full benches where platoon partners were used more often.  A 4 man bench gets fairly tight (IF/CA/OF plus another IF ideally with at least one being a solid SS and both able to play 2B & 3B).

cybercavalier - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 04:37 PM EST (#208517) #

Phelps could've had that role, and if the Jays wanted to they could sign him to a AAA deal and have him as a backup to Ruiz as the RH part of it (assuming the Jays go cheap here of course and don't trade for/sign someone more expensive).

Phelps is similar to Ruiz with an exception: he is a former Jays' farmhand, which can be a managerial advantage to the Jays if he is signed. Given that the negligibly potential offers (based on discussion from previous posts) from other AAA teams or overseas (Japan, I recall Dan Johnson and Kevin Mench were signed to teams in Japan.) , Josh Phelps may not be in AAA Vegas. To mimic the Ruiz-Snider-Dopirak trio that was crucial to the 11 wins in 13 games strectch, I think having a lefthanded power bat (reprising Sinider) is important, the reason I recommended signing Paul McAnulty.

Personally, I don't mind signing Phelps, having three or four power bats (Dopirak reprising the Ruiz' role of last year, a rebounded Arencibia in Dopirak's of last year, either one of Jarrett Huffpauir, McAnulty (if signed), Phelps (if signed) as last year's Snider.)  shall be excellent to keep the offense going for AAA next season. By the way, what kept AAA at the basement of PCL was pitching, which injuries in Jay's bullpen contributed to.

John Northey - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 04:49 PM EST (#208518) #
Doh, totally slipped my mind that Dopirak was on the 40 man.  He'd obviously be the first guy to be called upon should the Jays do the cheap option and need a RH bat should Ruiz flop.  Still, Phelps in AA might not be a bad idea and I'm sure he'd take anything right now.

I guess the first thing to do would be to figure out who is going where in 2010 of the guys who are still on the Jays rosters, then try to find the best options from this crew for the open slots.  Bonus marks for guys already here as the Jays would know a lot about them personally already (ie: good guy to be around, poor, whatever). 

Meanwhile, if I was a minor league free agent I'd go to the Jays if I was a SS/CA/3B/OF as the Jays have obvious openings there in the majors potentially with little coming up to push aside the AAAA guy.  If I was a pitcher of any stripe (LH, RH, starter, reliever) I'd stay far away.  1B/DH types would see some potential and seeing that Ruiz got a shot in September would encourage them but I don't see a lot of AAA room for them with Dopirak/Ruiz/Cooper likely to spend significant time in AAA depending on ML signings this winter.  Of course, some will get desperate and sign with whoever offers, but the best of this group will be hunting for opportunity.
jerjapan - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 06:52 PM EST (#208522) #
Not sure I agree with John that minor league free agent postion players should be lining up to sign with the Jays - we don't give them much time in the bigs.  Marginal big leaguers like McDonald and Chavez will get a shot, but it seems that the Jays simply won't promote career minor league position players - Ruiz had to absolutely smash the ball to earn a shot with a weak squad, and then play well in the opportunities he did get, to earn his status as a potential bench player for next year.  Personally, I would've thought Sanchez at least deserved a chance to replace McDonald.

The pitchers on the other hand seem to get chances ... Downs, Camp, Carlson and Hayhurst all came as minor league free agents.  How much of this is due to the tempermental nature of relief pitching?  The 7 man bullpen? How much credit did Arnsberg deserve for it? 

I'm guessing if any minor league free agents gets a lucky break next year, it'll be a pitcher.


cybercavalier - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 07:57 PM EST (#208524) #

it seems that the Jays simply won't promote career minor league position players - Ruiz had to absolutely smash the ball to earn a shot with a weak squad, and then play well in the opportunities he did get, to earn his status as a potential bench player for next year.

Agree. Over the years of J.P.'s tenure, minor league batters who are not categoried as highly regarded prospects don't have much chance to play for Jays. Recalling, 1B Kevin Barker (last year with the Reds), OF Matt Watson (he was the bright spot of Syracuse lineup during last year of Jays AAA contract.)

I'm guessing if any minor league free agents gets a lucky break next year, it'll be a pitcher.

Is this phenomenon rooted in Jays' managerial philosophy.

Mike Green - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 09:28 PM EST (#208527) #
Decent-to-good pitchers are more likely to be available, as adaptation to injury is more likely to be a problem for a young pitcher than a young hitter.  Take Clint Everts.  First round pick at age 18.  Threw into the mid 90s.  Had a good year or two in the minors.  Then TJ.  Now he's a reliever throwing in the high 80s, and has had a couple of decent years in the minors, including striking out 42 in 39 innings in the high minors in 2009.  His control is less than great, but not terrible. He turned 25 in August.  Could he be a lights-out closer in 2010 or 2011?  Sure. 

You'll struggle to find a position player out there who has a realistic chance to be anything other than a part-timer.

cybercavalier - Wednesday, November 18 2009 @ 11:01 PM EST (#208529) #

You'll struggle to find a position player out there who has a realistic chance to be anything other than a part-timer.

May I know why?

Ron - Thursday, November 19 2009 @ 03:16 AM EST (#208530) #
From the what are they thinking file, it looks like the Jays may be raising the prices on single game tickets next season. The Jays have removed the free flight to Spring Training and use of a luxury suite for season ticket holders. While the Jays should be doing everything in their power to sell tickets, it looks like they are trying to drive people away. I guess the crowds of 6000 inside the Skydome last season wasn't enough to show ownership that interest in the Jays is dwindling.

I'm a diehard Jays fan but at this moment I have no intention of even buying 1 ticket for next season. I have a feeling I'm not alone.

Mike Green - Thursday, November 19 2009 @ 09:51 AM EST (#208532) #
May I know why?

Teams have six years to make a decision on a prospect.  Position players give teams on average better information on which to base a decision than pitchers, due to the effect of injury.  Usually by age 25-27, it is very well known what a position player can realistically do and only very occasionally do teams not take advantage of what a player can palpably do (Jack Cust would be the obvious example of that). 

Incidentally, another pitcher who would interest me is David Pauley.  He's held his own at triple A as a starter for a couple of years, and if moved to the pen might have a career. 
cybercavalier - Saturday, December 12 2009 @ 08:58 PM EST (#209408) #

If they need a backup I have a soft spot for Sal Fasano or Torontonian John Suomi.

I have a soft spot for former Jays' players Erik Kratz and David Smith. Kratz sort of broke out in attending the AAA all-star game and got the all-star game MVP for the international league.

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