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Somewhere J.P. Ricciardi is smiling.



It was evident early on how effective Ricky Romero was last night.  The Sox hitters were completely flummoxed by Romero's change-up, missing some pitches by over a foot.  The ones that did make contact did so feably, for the most part.  It was Halladay-esque.  I texted a friend in the third inning and said "Romero's got no-hit stuff tonight".  It was that obvious.

Of course, though, as most no-hit bids go, one misplaced pitch spoils the party.  But manoman, it really had to be Rios to bring us all down, didn't it? 

In any event, Romero really does just keep proving people wrong.  13 months ago, he looked like the answer to a trivia question about all-time draft blunders.  Today he's looking like a guy who could legitimately front a rotation.

And while we're here, what is up with Kevin Gregg?  He was Romero-esque in the ninth.  Carlos Quentin looked like the victim of a mugging.  Like someone handed a kid a bat and said "Here, you try this".  I'm no expert but I can tell you, a week into the season and I'm a lot more comfortable with Gregg on the mound in the 9th than I am when Frasor walks up there.  It's gotta be the glasses.

What else?  Well, the Yanks won their home opener and the Orioles continue to spiral out of control.  They must think it's September.

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joemayo - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#213601) #

I put the blame squarely on A.J.erk Pierzynski.  I think that ďhit batsmanĒ rattled RR a bit , even though he had too much class to say so the postgame interview.  Great start nonetheless.  Canít wait to see what he does next time out.

whiterasta80 - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:59 AM EDT (#213603) #
Romero looked as dominant as I've seen a Jays pitcher look in a long time. Probably Roy Halladay first start or maybe even "Roid"ger Clemens long. Its not just the no hit bid, we've seen plenty of those, but even when Marcum and McGowan have taken their no hitters late I've never felt as though we were likely to see it. Last night I did. It gave me memories of Dave Steib. Make no mistake about it Ricky Romero was DEALING.

I'm not ready to say he was a better pick than Tulo yet, but he's definitely shed the bust label, and he looks like a future ace at the moment.

Also, agreed on the Jason Frasor-Kevin Gregg thing. In fact, if Jason Frasor hadn't thrown a pitch this season, then there's a good chance we'd be undefeated. Its Gregg time, in my opinion.

Hey out of curiosity, is a 30 save Kevin Gregg a type A free agent? How far would he have to go?
Jevant - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#213604) #
Hopefully, Morrow plants a 94 MPH fastball in the middle of his back tonight.  Make it clear that it hit him this time.
uglyone - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#213605) #

JP is definitely smiling:

  • MLB TOR: 6-2 (1st place)
  • AAA LV: 5-1 (1st place)
  • AA NH: 4-1 (1st place)
ayjackson - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 10:34 AM EDT (#213606) #
I think part of the reason Gregg has looked so good is that he has faced a fortunate diet of right handed batters.  His stuff has been good and played well against the righties, but if he had faced the 11 LHBs that Frasor has faced, instead of the 3 that he's had to deal with, I'm wondering how dominant he would have looked.
Paul D - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 10:47 AM EDT (#213607) #
For his career, Gregg has reverse platoon splits.

I can't get the link to work, but go here:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=greggke01&year=Career&t=p

So in theory he should be fine against LHB.
Timbuck2 - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 12:08 PM EDT (#213613) #
Now now Jervant - at least it looked close.  It's not like he's A-Rod yelling "mine!" at the fielders while running the bases...

And for you Paul - a fixed link.

In the future when adding links while using Firefox (for those who do not know) do the following:

Copy the link URL you want to insert
Highlight the text you want to hyperlink
Click the link button
Paste the web address into the URL field and click 'OK'
Click 'Source' and find section of code that looks like this:  href="javascript:void(0);/*1271260988335*/"
highlight the section between quotes - javascript:void(0);/*1271260988335*/
Paste the URL so it looks like this (Make sure the quotes are still there - they are important!):  href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=greggke01&year=Career&t=p"
Click OK
Find the pop up window in the background and close it (it doesn't go away like it should)

Enjoy your hyperlink :)
christaylor - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#213615) #
Not hate on anyone as this really is a constructive comment... but I've been through that process. My complaint is that copy/paste into a comment is faster, heck even if I wanted to shorten the link with bit.ly that'd be faster too. I'm not asking this to be changed as I can see how this might require a large site overhaul. I could do this (it does not follow the instructions above): Does not work That's a "" Then link text... then an another less then a / and an "a" and another greater than. Lastly, look many "clicks" there and how many copy/pastes there are in the above instructions... yikes. Making links does make comments look nicer, but that's one convoluted/dull process. My way is also pretty dull, I try to avoid writing in markup languages as often as possible because I have to write papers in LaTeX, which doesn't look like english until made into a pdf. At heart I'm a WSYWIG guy. Let me say though, I come here for the baseball talk not the technical bits.
christaylor - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#213616) #
Rickaaay! Was incredible yesterday, I was sitting down by 1B and had a good view of the strike zone to RHB. Also, with AJ, I thought I was watching Toronto FC for a second with that dive.

Great game. Rios, Rios, Rios. Just watch him earn that contract... that, in the end, might be JP's biggest mistake.

About my "tech" comment -- should think before I start typing HTML on a message board, as soon a the tags come out, things start looking strange... all I did was a basic href command with markup.
TamRa - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#213619) #
Hopefully, Morrow plants a 94 MPH fastball in the middle of his back tonight.  Make it clear that it hit him this time.

So day we all.

As for last night, two really fun comic lines:

Ian Hunter tweeted that RR Cool J was singing "mama said punch you out"

and someone this morning mentioned that the White Sox had been RickRo'ed

I think I'll be using that latter remark a lot, lol.

martinthegreat - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#213621) #
Frasor hasn't looked good at all this season. I agree... it's Gregg time. Though neither have stats that are that impressive really in their careers, both flirting with an ERA of 4. Downs is the best reliever of the bunch but also the least likely to actually be given the chance.

I think it's LL Cool J, unless there's some knockoff, lol.

I feel bad for Ruiz, but if Snider continues to struggle, he could be sent down, and Lind could play the field, opening up some starts for him at DH.

Helpmates - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#213622) #

Ricciardi's "smiling" because the Jays are paying him to impart his sage musings to the adoring masses, under the auspices of "Baseball Tonight".

 

Somewhere... B.J. Ryan's smiling, as well...

whiterasta80 - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#213623) #
I suspect Snider's rope is fantastically long. Like mid-June long. Ruiz's best hope is for a Lyle Overbay trade, but even that might not help with the way Brett Wallace has started at AAA.

In other news, we finally have a 3B prospect. According to MLBTR, Shawn Bowman was claimed off waivers from the Mets.

His hitting numbers are all over the map, but his defense is said to be plus.
Alex Obal - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#213624) #
RR Cool Jay is the knockoff. 'Cause he's from LA, and he makes the tears rain down like a mon-soon. Or something. Works for me.
martinthegreat - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#213625) #
I don't know how long Snider's leash is, but I suspect it's not that long, at least as long as we actually have a decent W/L record. Continuing to hit under .200 won't help his cause either. He's not showing much so far.
damos - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#213627) #
Per Bastian:
Snider sitting tonight.  Lind in LF, Ruiz DH'ing & batting 8th.  McDonald in at 2nd base.

martinthegreat - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#213628) #
Really? Good to see Ruiz finally get a start.
It's kind of impressive we're doing so well offensively with Hill gone. Hold out one more week boys

Flex - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#213631) #
Jays have picked up 3B Shawn Bowman on waivers from the Mets and optioned him to AAA. Looks like a great pickup.
Lylemcr - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 05:00 PM EDT (#213635) #
martinthegreat - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#213636) #
Bowman is Canadian too, according to rotoworld. Anyone know where from?

Good to see the news on Gregg. I'd rather Downs, but Gregg has looked good... and I just added him to my fantasy team thinking that this would happen.

China fan - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#213637) #
 I like this move. Gregg seems a more natural closer.  Somehow Frasor seems to thrive better when there is less pressure on him.  Give him a couple of batters in the 7th or 8th inning and he seems to do fine.  Give him the entire 9th inning, with a one-run lead, and he seems less comfortable. 
Mick Doherty - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#213638) #

Anyone know where from?

According to BBRef, Shawn Douglas Bain Bowman is from New Westminster, British Columbia.

martinthegreat - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#213640) #
Yeah. It was interesting looking at the facial expressions of Gregg and Frasor. Frasor looked unsure, nervous. Gregg just looks kind of badass. You need badassery in the closers role
stevieboy22 - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#213641) #
I can't say I am thrilled about the idea of Gregg closing.... Granted, Frasor clearly isn't the same pitcher he was last year... Something is up with him...

Gregg has pitched 4.1 good innings this year and everyone thinks he is this great closer; probably because he is tall, has funky glasses, and has started strong.....

But Scott Downs is a better reliever, and a healthy Casey Janssen likely is as well..

I would easily take a bet that if Gregg is given the job, he doesn't keep it all season... He may have been able to keep the job in a lesser bullpen, but it will be hard to justify it after Gregg has blown his fifth save in the middle of July and Downs has a run and a half better ERA....

All that being said, if this means Downs will be used in the most high leverage situations, it might not be a bad thing...


slitheringslider - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#213642) #
It's funny how quickly everyone here is hopping on the Kevin Gregg bandwagon after bashing him all offseason. It is a little premature to say Gregg is going to be a 'great' closer. I feel like in the long run both Frasor and Gregg will be serviceable. I think there is a good chance they are gonna end up splitting closing duty when all is said and done.

That being said, Gregg does the look and the swagger of a late inning reliever. The way he looks, the delivery and the glasses are definitely badass. His stuff might not be as good, but he definitely looks more intimidating just standing there than the diminutive Frasor.
westcoast dude - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#213644) #
Paging Mr. Cecil, your one way ticket to Toronto is available at the airport departure lounge.
Petey Baseball - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#213646) #
Paging Brett Cecil!

In all seriousness though, looking at Morrow's pitches in relation to John Buck's setup and checking on Gameday, Brandon has been all over the place. His plus velocity is completely eliminated because his pitches are flat (especially the slider) , and the fastball simply has no sink right now. I'd imagine this is a mechanical issue, and I hope he's sent down to Vegas (or even New Hampshire) to work these problems out.  There is no use in forcing the young man to try and get big league hitters out with mechanical flaws, and getting lit up like a lamp in the process. Brad Mills might be a good option right now, he's had a good start to the season in AAA and might have worked out the similar problems that Morrow is having right now last season.

stevieboy22 - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#213647) #
Hey out of curiosity, is a 30 save Kevin Gregg a type A free agent? How far would he have to go?

Considering that he was a 23 save closer last year and no one wanted to sign him when they didn't have to give up a first round pick, I would say the chances of a Type A Gregg finding a taker because he added 7 more saves would be slim..

All that being said, the Jays have options on Gregg and I don't think you can offer a player arbitration after their option has been declined.... Can anyone confirm if that is the case? I couldn't find it online...


martinthegreat - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#213648) #
Why is Overbay batting 5th against a lefty? I thought Cito was a bit smarter than that...
At least at this point it's unlikely to be the difference maker between a W and L.

Mike Green - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#213653) #
Hey, Mick, Donny Lucy is a great addition to your "Lola- Girls will be Boys" Hall of Names club.  It was awfully sporting of the Sox to put him in the game tonight.

I wouldn't send Morrow down because of a start when he doesn't have his good stuff.  That will happen.  The club made a decision that Morrow could learn more at the big league level in the rotation than in the minors, with the primary issue for Morrow being control of the strike zone.  There is no reason for the club to change its mind on account of a poor 2nd start where control wasn't the issue.  Anyways, the net effect was that the back end of the bullpen got some much needed work. Better it should have been in a 11-1 win, of course. 

scottt - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#213655) #
I wouldn't send Morrow down in April. Let's see how he fares in May.

Not a bad day for Ruiz.

Matthew E - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#213656) #
Well, that happened.
Petey Baseball - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#213657) #
The point about learning at the major league level is well taken, I just think his mechanics are awful right now. In the first start he walked five in five innings, tonight his fastball was as straight as an arrow with a flat slider and he got lit up. I'd love to see some deception in his delivery, right now it just seems like he's not fooling anyone despite his tremendous potential. He admitted tonight when asked about his learning curve, he told Bastian "its steep." Ricky Romero on the other hand, was Halladay-esque in his domination of a pretty good lineup. He's going to be fun to watch this year, no doubt about it.

 


 
greenfrog - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#213659) #
Brilliant, brilliant start. I'm really glad I caught the game (I tuned in for the first couple of innings, then decided to watch the entire thing). Looking forward to see what he can do over the rest of the season.
Jdog - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#213660) #
I think a lot of people were hoping Morrow was going to come in here and magically be a #2/3 starter this year. If he was a shoe-in to fulfill his promise it would have taken more than Brandon League and J. Chavez to get him.  Morrow has only 15 starts above A ball and they were over 2 season in which he was back and forth from the majors. It would do no harm at all to let Morrow work on things at AAA. Unlike Snider he has yet to show he has nothing to learn down there. Snider on the otherhand needs to be give a long leash.
stevieboy22 - Wednesday, April 14 2010 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#213661) #
I wouldn't have any problem with Morrow being sent down to the minors. You could have made a strong case he should have started the season in Vegas... He could possibly have the highest ceiling of any pitcher in the organization, but Seattle gave up on him for a reason. He is going require some patience...

I would like to see the Jays pitch the hot hands and ultimately let the best 5 prevail....  If it we`re up to me, anyone that produces 3 very poor outings would be sent down and the next guy on the list would get his chance.... If they we`re to send Morrow down, he will likely get another chance soon enough, as it's doubtful Eveland and Tallet are in the rotation all season....
Thomas - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#213662) #
I would like to see the Jays pitch the hot hands and ultimately let the best 5 prevail.... If it we`re up to me, anyone that produces 3 very poor outings would be sent down and the next guy on the list would get his chance.... If they we`re to send Morrow down, he will likely get another chance soon enough

I don't think this a productive way to run a starting rotation filled (predominantly) with young starters and I don't believe it's necessarily conducive to finding the best five arms at the AAA/MLB level. I'm on record several times here as saying I would have started Morrow in the minors, but given that Toronto believes he should start in the majors, as Mike Green said you don't pull him after two starts.

I believe that principle also applies to your "3 bad starts" theory. I don't want my young starters nervously watching over their shoulders because they're afraid of having a third bad start in a row (or even a second if they know they're going to face NY or Boston next time out). It may be best to send certain pitchers to the minors for some reason after several bad starts, but with other pitchers it may not. If the pitching coaches have told a pitcher to work on a particular skill/pitch/location (and they want him doing it at the majors and not in Las Vegas) than I don't want that pitcher ignoring these instructions because he fears being demoted. Consequently, if the team has demoted a pitcher to work on a particular skill, I don't necessarily want him promoted if the team does not feel he has made the desired progress.

Morrow may need more time in the minors, but two starts shouldn't be determinative of that. Your philosophy may make sense on a team expecting to compete, but on a developing team it makes little sense, IMO, to manage pitching demotions/promotions with a blanket rule as opposed to performances and development based on individual expectations.

Hodgie - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 12:45 AM EDT (#213663) #
How is this for symmetry, 26ABs into their Blue Jays careers Wallace and d'Arnaud have an OPS of 1.145 and 1.159 respectively.
Petey Baseball - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 01:15 AM EDT (#213664) #
I agree its pretty counterproductive to use the blanket "three bad starts and you demoted" system with younger pitchers and obviously a bit silly to judge a pitcher on a start-by-start basis. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if AA, Walton and Cito are seriously discussing sending him down at this point, just for the fact that his poor location is probably the result mechanical issues or maybe some lingering tightness in the shoulder from ST.  If the Jays had an off-day after the Angels series, I'd suggest skipping his start to perhaps make an adjustment on a side session. As I've already said, (sorry) if the struggles continue, I'd love to see his delivery re-worked a tad to add some deception.  He's basically a two-pitch guy, and without a change-up or a decent secondary pitch he should have another wrinkle in his game to keep hitters guessing. Quentin crushed that pitch like he knew it was coming.
katman - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 01:17 AM EDT (#213665) #
It would do no harm for Morrow to work on his stuff in AAA - might even be on a winning team there.

But then again, given what 2010 is, it does little harm to have him work on that stuff at the major league level, unless you think his performance is starting to get into his head. For good or ill, they started him at the MLB level despite a shortened spring.

I say keep throwing him out there until his own mental state says "send him down," or another prospect makes a case that they must be brought up. That would be at least 3 more starts, probably 5, and could easily turn out to be more than that.
TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 01:38 AM EDT (#213666) #
I think a lot of people were hoping Morrow was going to come in here and magically be a #2/3 starter this year. If he was a shoe-in to fulfill his promise it would have taken more than Brandon League and J. Chavez to get him.  Morrow has only 15 starts above A ball and they were over 2 season in which he was back and forth from the majors. It would do no harm at all to let Morrow work on things at AAA. Unlike Snider he has yet to show he has nothing to learn down there. Snider on the other hand needs to be give a long leash.


I had a lot of hope for Morrow and still do, I bucked the trendy picks and considered him the potential "breakout" guy (more to be different than anything else but I did and do see the potential).

that said, i was ok with the decision to start him in the majors because AA seems to have a golden touch with this sort of decision (I'm already preparing to have my dish of crow concerning Greg if this keeps up) and also because i wanted Walton to have the first chance at "fixing" him. but I'd be ok with it if, after 5-7 starts he just wasn't getting a handle on it, to send him down especially given the many candidates to step in.

If this were a year where we were even a fringy contender i might say a shorter rope but this year it's ok.

Looking ahead, his next 4 starts are the Royals, Rays, A's, and Indians before the Jays travel to Boston. I'd say that, if I was making the call (as Alex/Cito) that I'd definitely want to see that he had a handle on it by then or I'd do something different before feeding him to the Red Sox.

Though it would be a stiff test to put Cecil or Mills into that spot on first arriving from Vegas as well.

Petey Baseball - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 02:18 AM EDT (#213668) #
Yeah, its a building year. Like usual, I'm reading a tad too much into things I believe. Its just painful to watch a guy struggle knowing that with a few small adjustments he'd be a #2 starter. Here's hoping 2 things: #1 Pappy and the Jays brass notice the flaws, correct them quickly, and Morrow has the maturity to work at it.  #2 Morrow's comparison to Burnett doesn't extend to his capacity between the ears. I love Marcum and Romero's bulldog mentality on the mound (lame I know), but its truly a pleasure to watch. 
robertdudek - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 03:49 AM EDT (#213669) #
Morrow is a long way away from becoming a #2 starter. He needs more than a few adjustments - he needs to be able to command several pitches (which will likely take him years, if he ever succeeds - see Cabrera, Daniel) - otherwise he's just another hard throwing guy suited to middle relief.

My view is that it's better to put him in the bullpen than spending several years trying to develop him into an effective starting pitcher, something which can be easily derailed by injury anyways.

Dave Till - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 08:14 AM EDT (#213670) #
Two starts is far too small a sample size to judge a pitcher. If Morrow does as poorly in the next couple of starts, you can move him down then. If the Jays drop him now, they run the risk of playing revolving door with the starters: bring somebody up, watch him get dinged two or three times, send him down, repeat.

And I'm not sure he has much value out of the bullpen: if he can't start, he's just another arm. The Jays have enough of a bullpen.

(I feel the same way about Frasor, by the way: two blown saves isn't enough of a sample size. Admittedly, Gregg looks more closer-like than Frasor - Gregg has the "I own this mound, mofo!" posture down. Whereas Frasor is pitching like the mound is someone else's house and he is afraid of spilling something on the furniture.)

John Northey - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:24 AM EDT (#213671) #
I think when it comes to Morrow it depends on if he is listening to his coaches. If he is taking their advise and using it but having issues getting adjusted, so be it. If he is ignoring it and doing the same-old same-old then he would have to be sent down.

As to Frasor, I suspect the closer slot was a short leash from the start and all 3 of the key players are 100% aware of it. None are rookies, or close to it for that matter, so all 3 knew that blowing 2 out of 5 saves would put you in hot water. Frasor has yet to have a 1-2-3 inning and his blown saves were the only times he was given a 1 run lead. Gregg on the other hand has appeared 4 times, given up just one hit (no walks), got 3 saves and 1 hold. Hard to justify keeping Frasor, who has always been viewed as a middle man, in the closing role for long when it was pretty much a coin toss as to who got the role. I'd have preferred the Jays starting with a 'pen by committee' but odds are the guys would've figured out that Frasor was the first choice and that Gregg has moved ahead of him now. If Frasor was a kid I'd give him more time, but he isn't so I can understand this move.
Ryan Day - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:52 AM EDT (#213672) #
It's interesting that Gaston seemed so concerned about the feelings of his hitters (No pinch-hitting, no defensive subs), but Frasor loses the closer job after two bad games - and 3 good ones.

Still, Gregg has looked great out there. May as well go with the hot hand.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#213673) #
My view is that it's better to put him in the bullpen than spending several years trying to develop him into an effective starting pitcher, something which can be easily derailed by injury anyways.

That would certainly be reasonable.  As would Thomas'  and Alex' view that he ought to have been in the minors from the outset. 

One of the complaints that was voiced about Morrow's handling by Seattle was that he was being moved around too much.  I'd give him two or three more starts.  If there is no progress, I'd send him down (as he has one more option year).  If he can work it out there, fine. Otherwise, he opens 2011 in the bullpen. 
Timbuck2 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:47 AM EDT (#213674) #
If it was up to me I would definitly have started BranMo in the minors to start the season.  He's actually reminding me a little to this point of Halladay before he was sent down to work on things.  Maybe we should do the same with him and have Mel Queen take a stab at fixing his control issues.  It worked for Halladay didn't it?
Thomas - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#213675) #
Frasor loses the closer job after two bad games - and 3 good ones.

Point taken, but 3 good ones is perhaps an overstatement. Frasor's let the lead runner reach base every inning. You don't want your closer doing that with a lead of more than one run (or a one-run lead, but it could be understandable in that instance). I suspect, with no way of proving it, that if Frasor's other 3 outings had been 1-2-3 innings or had consisted of allowing meaningless 2-out singles the decision to switch may not have been made so quickly.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:52 AM EDT (#213676) #
BranMo is a cool name for a healthy cereal.  Not so much for a pitcher with "control" problems. 
westcoast dude - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#213677) #
If Dana Eveland can replicate his last start, then there's a paradigm shift: three dominant starters could be enough to see the club play .600 ball the rest of the season. If that is the case, then slotting in another piece of the rotation puzzle who is close and has upside turns this club into a going concern.  That is all it would take: just one more, Cecil or Mills, plus you still have the alternate in reserve.  Like I say, today is Huge: a win ensures a share of the lead in the division after ten games, but a loss means a losing streak.
Dewey - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#213678) #
Címon, now, Ryan.  Hitters are sensitive guys.  And the damned pitchers are always trying to hurt them.  Ease off here.  (Cito never pitched, anyway.)

As for Mel Queen, he must be 90 by now.  I donít think he throws much any more.

And BranMo has to go, for the reasons Mike suggests.
John Northey - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#213679) #
Just checked his BR page and Mel Queen is 68 now. Should still be up for some one-on-one coaching I'd think.

Interesting on his page to see that he came up as an outfielder at first, had an OPS+ of 28 over 171 PA, then was shifted to the mound where, in his first full season, was 14-8 with a 2.76 ERA (137 ERA+). Strangely just 4 starts the next season (must've been injured) and never did much after that (ERA+ of 107, but just 168 2/3 IP over 4 years, 13 saves and 6-8 record).
VBF - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#213680) #

I think Thomas has a point that had Frasor's 3 saves been quick and clean he might still have a job as a closer, but it should be noted his fastball is down about 3 miles to 91, which I think is enough tangible evidence to move him out of the role. (evidently the Teahen homer was a 93 fastball).

Cito very likely has psychologists working around the clock to determine what ruins confidence more: two blown saves or being demoted to the back end of the bullpen. I think the real irony is that Frasor will be facing the exact same competition in the 7th, in possibly higher pressure scenarios than the 9th.

Moe - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 01:17 PM EDT (#213681) #
There is also the service time issue. If you send Morrow down for long enough, you delay FA by a year. He has 91 days on his 3rd year, so they can wait until the end of April to send him down (until sometime in August). You can even send him down at the end of April and if you don't call him up at all this year he won't even be super 2.

What is his limit on IPs? 150-160?


Timbuck2 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#213683) #
And BranMo has to go

... regularly now that he's eating BranMo :)
Matthew E - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#213687) #
You can shake your presents as much as you want, but Christmas isn't going to come any sooner.
Dewey - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#213690) #
Just checked his BR page and Mel Queen is 68 now. Should still be up for some one-on-one coaching I'd think.

Thanks so much, John.  Youíve at last dislodged me from a decades-old misapprehension.  And that is always a good thing.  I remember my schoolboy self getting an autograph from Mel Queen when he was a Pittsburgh Pirate in 1947 or 1948.  And all this time I had been assuming it was *him* who was the Jaysí pitching guru;  but no,  itís his son, Mel the Younger.  Mel the Elder, I learn, died in 1982.  Not much use to Doc and the others, obviously.  Thereís a lesson in all this, boys and girls.  Read da Box, and pay attention to Baseball Reference.  Careful attention.  Youíre never too old to learn.  And youíre not nearly young enough to know it all.
Thomas - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#213694) #
in possibly higher pressure scenarios than the 9th.

I think you may be conflating pressure and leverage. Frasor may well be pitching in higher leverage situations, but I think an argument can be made that the players themselves view the 9th inning duties as higher pressure, even if it is a 2-run lead as opposed to a tie game in the seventh.

scottt - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#213698) #
Encarnation is sitting tonight with a sore arm. (Day-to-day).

I hope this means Bautista at 3rd, Lind in left, Snider in right and Ruiz at DH.



scottt - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#213699) #
Reed in right, hitting 7th in front of Snider. Meh.

stevieboy22 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#213700) #
I hope this means Bautista at 3rd, Lind in left, Snider in right and Ruiz at DH.

Nope Jeremy Reed will be playing right.. I don't know if there have been any fly outs to Bautista that Snider wouldn't have been able to get to.... Cito seemingly refuses to put Lind and Snider in right..

It frustrates me. At the beginning of the spring training, AA was on the PTS and told McCowan something along the lines of: If Ruiz has a big spring, than Lind and Snider will both be in the outfield. Ruiz has an opportunity to be an everyday player...

But Bautista has a big spring and suddenly he is considered a staple in the lineup...

I don't want to watch Reed. He had his shots at being a major league player and failed... This lineup is full of players that are so boring to watch at the plate: Gonzalez, Bautista, Reed and Buck... I remember once seeing a trailer for a movie called "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People," well these lineups should be called "How to Lose Fans and Alienate your GM."
Thomas - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 06:29 PM EDT (#213701) #
I hope this means Bautista at 3rd, Lind in left, Snider in right and Ruiz at DH.

I agree with the thought. It won't be today, but I hope Cito utilizes that lineup at times. For example, t would make a great deal of sense on days Rzepczynski pitches (once he's back up with the club).

Thomas - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#213702) #
This lineup is full of players that are so boring to watch at the plate: Gonzalez, Bautista, Reed and Buck

Alex Gonzalez has a 1.036 OPS this year. I wish all our hitters were that boring.

stevieboy22 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#213704) #
Alex Gonzalez has a 1.036 OPS this year. I wish all our hitters were that boring.

Alex Gonzalez has 4431 career at bats... And his lifetime OPS is .691.....
Mike Green - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 08:03 PM EDT (#213705) #
I like the lineup that Cito has run out there.  Better defence, and a better mix of offensive skills against a RHP. 
stevieboy22 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#213707) #
Perhaps I should make a nightly tradition of bashing the lineup...
scottt - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#213709) #
Reed had really good numbers against Garcia, so there is some justification there.

I hope we have Ruiz in there often enough to evaluate what the gain/loss in offense/defense is.

Don't bash Bautista, OBP .383 now. That's not bad to lead up.

Another big night for Gonzo. He's incredible right now.

I wonder if Garcia will be sent to AAA to work on his mechanics.

TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#213710) #
MLBTR reports that a source has the Fred lewis deal as "imminent"


Mike Green - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#213711) #
Mike Pelfrey had an excellent outing today, while Cameron Maybin homered for the Fish.  What with Ricky Romero's superb start earlier this week, the 6-10 picks of the 2005 draft are in sharp focus.  Magpie's injunction to wait a little longer before making judgments is right on point.
TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#213712) #
Ok Clarance, let's hear you explain how a guy who couldn't break camp with the team is still good enough to hit in front of Snider?

Meh. Maybe it woke him up a bit anyway.



TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#213713) #
Magpie's injunction to wait a little longer before making judgments is right on point.

It's a gospel I've been preaching for years.

And a lot of the same people who wrote Romero ff are making the same mistake with the class of 2007.

We live in a McDoanlds culture where everyone wants it NOW.

Mike Green - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#213714) #
It's not a question of "good enough".  Gaston has decided that it is better for Snider's development to take a little of the pressure off by moving him down the order until he starts to hit more regularly.  That is nothing like platooning or benching a  young player; many managers have done it and in Snider's case, with the contact issues, I agree completely with the approach.
92-93 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#213715) #

It's not a big deal for Snider to get a night off vs. a LHP, but let's hope it doesn't become a pattern - he needs the experience vs. them at the MLB level if he's going to learn to hit them. I would have preferred to see Overbay, EE, or Bautista take a seat first.

Fred Lewis' career line of .282/.362/.443 would platoon very well with Bautista's .265/.361/.479 in RF at the top of the order. If you're desperate to get Bautista's bat in the lineup, you can also start him half the time at 3B vs. RHP, which would result in him starting around 70% of the games.

TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#213717) #
Via Twitter:

LottOnBaseball On his Facebook page, Fred Lewis says he's a Blue Jay. (SF Chronicle)



TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#213718) #
It's not a question of "good enough".  Gaston has decided that it is better for Snider's development to take a little of the pressure off by moving him down the order until he starts to hit more regularly.  That is nothing like platooning or benching a  young player; many managers have done it and in Snider's case, with the contact issues, I agree completely with the approach.

I'm not calling for Snider to move to the heart of the order.

I'm simply of the opinion that Snider's not under any more pressure hitting seventh than he is hitting eighth (especially when he's not bumping a "proven veteran" like Buck) and conversely, it's a tacit recognition of Snider's place in the pecking order (which is to say, if you want to communicate the message "you have to earn your way past Buck and gonzalez" then  the corralary to that is "you are enttled to more respect than Reed and Mccoy")

TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#213721) #
Quote:

The Giants will receive either cash or a player to be named later, tweets
Schulman.

Good. No overpayment involved.



scottt - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#213723) #
7th or 8th, is that worth arguing about? I would have broken the lefties and gone Snider, McCoy, Reed, myself. Over a few games, it doesn't really matter.

What is it with Overbay, now? A 4 strike out night? A day off against a lefty can't possible do any harm at this point.

Sano - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#213724) #
What's with the Lewis deal? Do the Jays rate him higher than Reed?
CSHunt68 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#213725) #
Guess so. Reed is going down.

Ruiz needs to start platooning AT WORST.
Alex Obal - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#213731) #
Two fantastic catches by Jeremy Reed in his first, and possibly only, start as a Blue Jay.

Is it too soon to start the Alex Gonzalez for MVP campaign?
TamRa - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#213733) #
What's with the Lewis deal? Do the Jays rate him higher than Reed?

As does everyone else in baseball.

Ruiz needs to start platooning AT WORST.

I'm a LOT more interested in Gaston's intent to waste Lewis on the bench than I am what happens with Ruiz.

we need Lewis leading off vs RHP far more than we ever need another hit from Ruiz.
No disrespect to Ruiz intended but still.

92-93 - Thursday, April 15 2010 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#213734) #

Alex Gonzalez's offensive outburst has been a pleasant surprise, considering most of us were just hoping for everyday, steady defense from him. He sure turns on those inside fastballs and whacks them hard, far, and foul.

Snider does this little bat flip when he launches a HR that I absolutely love, and he's starting to look more comfortable out in the OF. There's no reason he can't be at least average defensively, and I'm still not convinced he'd be a butcher in RF.

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