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San Diego's Buddy Black and Minnesota's Ron Gardenhire are your NL and AL managers of the year, respectively, continuing an awards season that lacks anything remotely categorizeable as "surprising." Blue Jay leader Cito Gaston finished fifth in the AL balloting, one spot ahead of Joe Girardi.

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Posted by Mick Doherty on Wednesday, November 17 2010 @ 03:05 PM EST.
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Mick Doherty - Wednesday, November 17 2010 @ 03:22 PM EST (#225670) #
Honestly, I thought the other Ron, Washington, deserved the AL award, but his little coke issue in spring training pretty much nixed that idea. If the voting had occurred after the post-season, he might well have won anyway.
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92-93 - Wednesday, November 17 2010 @ 03:26 PM EST (#225672) #
I would have thought if voting occurred after the post-season he stood less of a chance, considering that it gave most of the country their first glimpses at his horrible in game management.
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John Northey - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 01:29 PM EST (#225799) #
Wonder what writer gave Cito a farewell 1st place vote? I was hoping he'd get a couple 3rds but didn't expect a first place vote.
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smcs - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 03:17 PM EST (#225810) #
Not sure I remember this happening in the past, but the BBWAA website has listed who each of the writers put first on their ballot for AL Cy Young.   Also, isn't the title "Hernandez overcomes 13-12 Record to Win Award" just the perfect title for the BBWAA to come up with?
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Chuck - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 03:20 PM EST (#225811) #
Yes, the "overcome" title is ludicrous. And yes, how could Price have been left off a ballot entirely? But holy smokes! In aggregate, the BBWAA did something that none of us could have taken as a given. This vote was a referendum on old school vs. new school and the results were more than a little encouraging.

Now, what's up with Bob Elliot?
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FisherCat - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 04:03 PM EST (#225816) #

I'm sorry, but as Blue Jay fans we should be appalled that King Felix got this award.  I mean how many times in the last 6+ seasons has Doc put up similar numbers to Felix, with more than 13 wins (but less than 20) and he never sniffed 3rd place?

This is a clear indication that writers/voters seem to slight any player north of the border.  Seattle is not a high profile market, yet all of sudden voters seem to CARE about the true stats of a pitcher.  Yet Doc didn't because he only won 15 or 16 games.  I'm sorry but this is crap!!!

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mathesond - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 04:12 PM EST (#225818) #
I'm sorry, I just don't understand why I should or should not be upset at the results of Cy Young voting (or any other award voting). I mean, it's not like I'm going to take a shotgun to my television if Bristol Palin wins Dancing with the Stars.

But seriously, since the voters got it wrong with Doc, they should continue to get it wrong? That doesn't sound very productive
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Chuck - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 04:17 PM EST (#225819) #

I'm sorry but this is crap!!!

It is "crap" that the writers have shown intellectual growth? Better they should vote stupidly forever?

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Chuck - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 04:19 PM EST (#225820) #

I mean, it's not like I'm going to take a shotgun to my television if Bristol Palin wins Dancing with the Stars.

Although perhaps you should take a shotgun to your television if it's tuned to Dancing with the Stars.

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Magpie - Thursday, November 18 2010 @ 04:55 PM EST (#225823) #
I mean how many times in the last 6+ seasons has Doc put up similar numbers to Felix, with more than 13 wins (but less than 20) and he never sniffed 3rd place?

Strictly speaker, never. Halladay has never had an ERA as low as 2.27, or an ERA+ as high as 174 (in a full season.) He has never struck out 239 hitters.

In his six Toronto seasons since he won his first Cy Young, Halladay finished 2nd once (Cliff Lee's 22-3 season) , 3rd once (really a dead heat with Chien-Ming Wang, both well behind Johan Santana) . He finished fifth twice in the voting. The other two seasons were shortened by injury and don't enter into it. He's got a good case to be 3rd rather than fifth behind Greinke and Hernandez in 2009, as if anyone cares. But that's the only time. (In the other 5th place season, he went 16-7, 3.71 with 139 Ks in 225.1 IP and was by no stretch of the imagination a serious candidate.)


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bpoz - Friday, November 19 2010 @ 08:39 AM EST (#225841) #
Magpie Dave Steib. Your analysis on the Halladay history was good. Any thoughts on Steib.

I know timing is everything and we discussed ROY a few days ago.
I am happy as a Jay's fan...Hentgen won a CY. Guzman an Era title. I wished for more for Steib and Key as they gave me a lot of enjoyment year in and out.
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ayjackson - Friday, November 19 2010 @ 10:11 AM EST (#225842) #

Good stuff from Jeremy Greenhouse over at Baseball Analysts.

From 2000-2009, Derek Jeter was last amongst shortstops in turning balls in play into outs.

Vernon Wells was also last.  Hill and Overbay were top 5 for their positions.

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Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2010 @ 10:34 AM EST (#225843) #
To be fair, Vernon Wells' rate was quite a distance from last among centerfielders. It was still far below average.  The point though is that if a centerfielder is no better than average for his career up until age 31, the prospect of him being anything less than poor at age 32 and following is pretty much nil.  It's the Bernie Williams situation.
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Mick Doherty - Friday, November 19 2010 @ 10:56 AM EST (#225847) #

It's the Bernie Williams situation.

Minus the five rings ... winning covers up a lot!

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Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2010 @ 11:02 AM EST (#225848) #
It is spelled "ringzz" by the only people who count, Mick. :)
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ayjackson - Friday, November 19 2010 @ 11:45 AM EST (#225858) #

To be fair, Vernon Wells' rate was quite a distance from last among centerfielders.

I guess I am reading the bottom five upside down.  So Wells and Jeter were fifth last at their position.

How about coming up with the "all smooth and silky, stylish but actually horrible defence" team?

Chipper, Jeter, Vidro, Wells?  Who else?  Griffey?  Walker?

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Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2010 @ 02:08 PM EST (#225873) #
AYJ, the bottom is actually the one who had the poorest record by number of plays, but not by rate.  In other words, a player who was below average and played the entire decade, like Jeter or Wells, will end up with a lower number than someone like Jose Cruz Jr. but a better rate.
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