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Just before the All-Star Break, Bauxite 92-93 was grumbling about John Farrell's tendency to cycle through relief pitchers, one inning at a time. I think I suggested that this was simply standard practise in the modern day (which by no means makes it a good idea), to which 92-93 responded that "Plenty of managers ask for 2 innings from their relievers, even in today's game."


I figured that was probably true - I didn't think there would be plenty, but I thought there would be a few. And I wondered - who might that be? (I already knew it wouldn't be Joe Maddon, the La Russa of the American League.)

So I gathered all these numbers just before the Break, and then I didn't get around to doing the work. My bad, sue me. Dock my pay. Anyway, all figures are through the games of July 7.

First the raw numbers for each AL team:

              App    0    0.1 0.2    1       1.1 1.2   2     2.1  2.2  3     3.1 3.2   4    4.1 4.2 5     5.1 5.2  6        OUTS    IP

TORONTO       277    9    42  43   126        19  12  16       1   3   2       1   1   1      0  1  0      0   0   0        834    278.0
OAKLAND       248    5    29  27   150        12   7  11       3   0   1       1   2   0      0  0  0      0   0   0        744    248.0
CLEVELAND     242    6    27  36   125        17   8  15       1   2   5       0   0   0      0  0  0      0   0   0        740    246.7
TAMPA BAY     242   12    44  37   111        18  12   4       1   0   2       0   0   0      0  0  0      1   0   0        648    216.0
BALTIMORE 242 6 23 16 121 17 13 30 3 2 5 2 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 882 294.0
KANSAS CITY   241    7    20  18   116        17  18  28       5   4   5       1   0   0      2  0  0      0   0   0        878    292.7
BOSTON        230    6    26  21   122        17  11  17       0   3   2       1   2   1      0  1  0      0   0   0        759    253.0
MINNESOTA     229   11    42  30   103        13  13  11       0   2   0       1   0   0      1  0  0      0   0   2        669    223.0
NEW YORK      227    9    22  30   121        14  10  11       1   0   3       1   0   2      1  1  0      0   0   1        730    243.3
DETROIT       226    6    29  33   108        17   6  15       3   3   2       0   2   1      0  0  1      0   0   0        719    239.7
LOS ANGELES   220    5    32  20   113        9  14  22       1   1   0       2   0   1      0  0  0      0   0   0        696    232.0
TEXAS        218    4    31  26   106        16   7  14       3   2   3       1   0   1      1  2  1      0   0   0        726    242.0
CHICAGO       214    5    33  30   81        23  10  20       3   3   3       0   0   2      1  0  0      0   0   0        707    235.7
SEATTLE       173    1    14  19    99        7   5  20       3   0   3       0   0   2      0  0  0      0   0   0        594    198.0
The teams are listed in order of number of relievers used, and the other columns tell you how many outs a reliever managed to get while he was in the game.

As you can see, Farrell has used quite a few more relief pitchers (277) than any other AL manager, and they've come about as close as possible to averaging exactly one inning per appearance.

 It is also pretty clear that limiting relievers to one inning is universal, in today's American League. Let's try to break this down into bite-sized pieces. We could look at this by grouping the relief appearances, and collecting those totals

                 App    0-1 IP * 1.1-2 IP *   2.1-3 IP  *  3.1-4 IP  *  4.1-5 IP  *  5.1-6 IP
                                   
TORONTO        277    220    47    6    3    1    0
OAKLAND        248    211    30     4     3     0     0
CLEVELAND        242    194    40    8    0    0     0
TAMPA BAY        242    204    34   3    0     0     1
BALTIMORE 242 166 60 10 4 2 0
KANSAS CITY      241    161    63     14    1     2    0
BOSTON        230    175    45     5     4    1     0
MINNESOTA        229    186    37     2    1    1     2
NEW YORK        227    182    35    4    3     2     1
DETROIT        226    176    38    8    3     1     0
LOS ANGELES      220    170    45    2    3    0     0
TEXAS        218    167    37     8    2    4     0
CHICAGO        214    149    53    9     2    1    0
SEATTLE        173    133    32    6     2    0     0

Farrell's Blue Jays lead the league in relief appearances, and in relief appearances of 1 inning (or less.) Your eyes did not deceive you, 92-93! But he's also used quite a few relievers for longer stints - only Guillen in Chicago and Yost in Kansas City have used more relievers in the 1+ column. Which begins to tell us something else. Part of the issue here, as it is in both Baltimore and Kansas City, has been the sub-par performance of the Toronto starters in 2011. Toronto's starters have the 12th best ERA in the league, and there are only fourteen teams. They've been better than Baltimore and Kansas City. That will drive a manager to the bullpen.

Let's look at the percentages of those totals while we're at it...

                 App     0-1 IP  *  1.1-2 IP  *  2.1-3 IP  *  3.1-4 IP  *  4.1-5 IP  *  5.1-6 IP
                                   
OAKLAND        248      .85    .12    .02    .01    .00    .00
TAMPA BAY        242      .84    .14    .01    .00    .00    .00
MINNESOTA        229      .81    .16     .01    .00    .00    .01
NEW YORK        227      .80    .15    .02    .01   .01    .00
CLEVELAND        242      .80    .17     .03    .00    .00    .00
TORONTO        277      .79    .17     .02    .01    .00    .00
DETROIT        226      .78    .17     .04    .01     .00    .00
LOS ANGELES      220      .77    .20    .01    .01    .00    .00
SEATTLE        173      .77    .18    .03    .01    .00    .00
TEXAS        218      .77    .17    .04    .01    .02    .00
BOSTON        230      .76    .20     .02    .02    .00    .00
CHICAGO        214      .70    .25    .04    .01    .00    .00
BALTIMORE 242 .69 .25 .04 .02 .01 .00
KANSAS CITY    241      .67    .26    .06    .00    .01    .00

I think this indicates that Farrell has been pretty much a middle-of-the-pack guy. He's not Joe Maddon or the Bob Geren, cycling relievers in and out of the game like a LaRussa. And while his starters have been bad, they haven't been as awful as Kansas City's which has forced Ned Yost to go the bullpen often and to leave them in the game for quite a while. The most original and distinctive manager in the league might be Ozzie Guillen. No one is more willing to let his relievers stay in the game.

But by far the most interesting thing of all - to me, anyway - were the Seattle Mariners. They've only used 173 relievers? In 2011? And when you look at the numbers for their individual pitchers, you think - holy crap! Are they actually using a five-man bullpen? Is it 1985 all over again?

Not quite. The Mariners opened the year with a seven man pen - League, Wright, Pauley, Laffey, Ray, Wilhelmsen and Lueke. On April 25 they optioned out Lueke and replaced him with Cortes. On May 14, they picked up Gray on waivers and optioned out Cortes. Then on May 18, they optioned out Wilhelmsen and replaced him with a position player.  They've been carrying six relievers ever since, and the sixth man - Jeff Gray - made just three appearances in his first six weeks on the active roster. (He's made two more appearances in the week since I gathered this information.)

Well,  seeing as how I assembled this by gathering the data for each reliever in the league - might as well share. Maybe you'll see something interesting! (Space problems will only allow me to include guys who've made at least 10 appearances...)

                  App    IP     0  0.1 0.2  1   1.1  1.2  2    2.1 2.2  3    3.1 3.2  4    4.1 4.2  5    5.1 5.2  6

Bard         BOS    40   41.7   -   3   2  27     4   3   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Papelbon     BOS    35   34.7   -   1   1  31     2   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Albers       BOS    28   33.3   1   2   3  12     1   2   7     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Wheeler      BOS    27   27.3   -   3   3  15     5   -   -     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Aceves       BOS    19   34.0   -   2   3   5     -   1   2     -   2   1     -   1   1     -   1   -     -   -   -
Jenks        BOS    19   15.7   1   4   1  12     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
BOSTON             230  253.0   6  26  21 122    17  11  17     -   3   2     1   2   1     -   1   -     -   -   -
 
Robertson    NYY    37   34.3   -   4   8  19     4   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Rivera       NYY    35   33.0   -   4   2  27     1   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Logan        NYY    32   21.3   5   8   6  10     1   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Chamberlain  NYY    27   28.7   -   -   2  21     1   3   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Ayala        NYY    26   27.0   2   3   2  10     5   -   4     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Soriano      NYY    16   15.0   -   -   3  13     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Noesi        NYY    11   25.3   1   1   -   1     -   2   1     1   -   1     1   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   1
Pendleton    NYY    11   14.0   1   1   -   5     -   1   2     -   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
NEW YORK           227  243.3   9  22  30 121    14  10  11     1   -   3     1   -   2     1   1   -     -   -   1
 
Peralta      TBR    42   39.7   1   5   5  24     4   2   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Ramos        TBR    40   26.7   3  14   9   9     4   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Farnsworth   TBR    39   35.7   -   7   3  24     3   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Cruz         TBR    35   32.3   3   2   7  19     1   1   1     -   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Russell      TBR    34   31.0   2   5   5  14     4   4   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Howell       TBR    18   13.7   2   2   4   9     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
McGee        TBR    11    7.0   -   6   2   2     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Sonnanstine  TBR    10   16.3   -   1   -   6     -   1   -     -   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     1   -   -
Gomes        TBR    10   11.7   -   2   2   2     1   -   2     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
TAMPA BAY          242  216.0  12  44  37 111    18  12   4     1   -   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     1   -   -
 
Rzepczynski  TOR    40   36.0   3   8   7  14     2   1   4     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Frasor       TOR    38   35.0   -   4   7  23     2   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Camp         TOR    37   37.7   -   8   5  15     1   4   3     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Rauch        TOR    36   35.3   2   5   3  17     5   -   4     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Francisco    TOR    29   24.3   1   4   4  19     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Dotel        TOR    29   24.3   1   6   6  11     3   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Janssen      TOR    28   27.7   -   1   6  17     2   1   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Perez        TOR    20   29.7   1   3   3   2     3   2   2     -   1   1     -   1   1     -   -   -     -   -   -
Villanueva   TOR    13   24.3   -   -   1   6     -   -   2     -   1   1     1   -   -     -   1   -     -   -   -
TORONTO            277  278.0   9  42  43 126    19  12  16     1   3   2     1   1   1     -   1   -     -   -   -

Johnson BAL 38 50.3 - 1 1 20 2 4 10 - - - - - - - - - - - -
Uehara BAL 35 38.0 - 1 1 28 1 1 3 - - - - - - - - - - - -
Gregg BAL 34 33.3 - 1 - 33 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Gonzalez BAL 30 29.7 1 5 4 12 3 2 3 - - - - - - - - - - - -
Accardo BAL 25 32.3 - 2 2 10 2 2 6 1 - - - - - - - - - - -
Berken BAL 23 27.0 - 2 4 8 4 - 4 1 - - - - - - - - - - -
Rapada BAL 22 12.3 4 8 4 3 3 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
BALTIMORE 242 294.0 6 23 16 121 17 13 30 3 2 5 2 2 - 1 1 - - - -
 
Sipp         CLE    39   35.3   -   6   9  18     3   2   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
R.Perez      CLE    38   35.7   2   3  14  10     3   2   4     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
C.Perez      CLE    35   32.3   -   4   1  29     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Pestano      CLE    35   31.3   1   2   7  22     3   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Durbin       CLE    33   35.7   1   4   4  15     3   -   5     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Smith        CLE    32   29.7   1   6   -  19     4   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Herrmann     CLE    17   27.0   -   2   1   5     -   2   3     1   -   3     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
CLEVELAND          242  246.7   6  27  36 125    17   8  15     1   2   5     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
  
Valverde     DET    40   38.0   -   2   2  36     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Benoit       DET    38   33.7   -   5   5  27     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Schlereth    DET    29   25.7   3   4   3  11     7   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Albuquerque  DET    26   29.0   1   3   5   8     4   -   3     1   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Perry        DET    18   19.7   -   2   5   7     1   -   -     2   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Villarreal   DET    16   16.0   -   5   4   2     1   1   2     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Purcey       DET    13   15.3   -   -   3   6     1   -   3     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Furbush      DET    12   21.7   1   1   2   2     -   1   1     -   1   1     -   1   -     -   -   1     -   -   -
Thomas       DET    12   11.0   1   2   3   3     1   -   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
DETROIT            226  239.7   6  29  33 108    17   6  15     3   3   2     -   2   1     -   -   1     -   -   -

Crain        CWS    37   39.0   -   5   6  13     7   3   3     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Santos       CWS    35   41.0   -   1   2  21     5   1   5     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Thornton     CWS    33   31.3   1   6   8  10     2   2   4     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Sale         CWS    32   35.0   1   6   4   8     7   1   3     1   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Ohman        CWS    30   25.0   1   8   4  13     2   -   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Pena         CWS    17   20.3   1   2   2   7     -   1   1     1   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Bruney       CWS    15   13.3   -   4   3   6     -   1   -     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
CHICAGO            214  235.7   5  33  30  81    23  10  20     3   3   3     -   -   2     1   -   -     -   -   -

Capps        MIN    35   36.7   -   2   3  24     1   4   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Perkins      MIN    33   31.3   1   6   6  13     2   3   1     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Burnett      MIN    32   25.3   2   7   6  12     4   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Mijares      MIN    30   19.0   4  10   4  11     -   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Nathan       MIN    22   20.3   -   2   2  17     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Dumatrait    MIN    18   16.3   -   5   2   7     2   1   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Hoey         MIN    17   14.0   2   5   2   5     1   -   1     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Hughes       MIN    15   12.7   2   2   1   8     -   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
MINNESOTA          229  223.0  11  42  30 103    13  13  11     -   2   -     1   -   -     1   -   -     -   -   2

Collins      KCR    39   41.3   1  10   -  17     4   1   3     1   1   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Soria        KCR    36   37.3   -   -   2  32     -   -   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Crow         KCR    35   42.3   -   3   2  17     4   4   4     -   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Wood         KCR    28   36.3   1   1   2  11     3   4   4     1   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Coleman      KCR    26   30.3   2   1   4   9     2   2   5     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Holland      KCR    17   22.7   -   1   2   6     1   3   3     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Jeffress     KCR    14   15.3   -   2   3   5     -   1   3     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Teaford      KCR    14   12.7   2   -   2   7     2   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Adcock       KCR    12   29.0   -   -   -   2     -   2   1     1   1   3     1   -   -     1   -   -     -   -   -
KANSAS CITY        241  292.7   7  20  18 116    17  18  28     5   4   5     1   -   -     2   -   -     -   -   -

Oliver       TEX    35   31.3   2   5   5  18     2   1   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Feliz        TEX    32   32.0   -   2   5  20     3   -   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Lowe         TEX    29   26.3   -   7   3  13     3   3   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Rhodes       TEX    28   20.7   -   9   5  13     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Tateyama     TEX    18   19.0   -   2   3   9     2   1   -     -   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Bush         TEX    14   26.3   -   -   -   8     -   -   2     1   -   1     -   -   -     1   1   -     -   -   -
Kirkman      TEX    11   23.3   -   -   1   1     2   1   1     1   1   1     1   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -
O'Day        TEX    11   10.7   -   -   2   8     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Strop        TEX    11    9.7   -   3   -   6     2   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Eppley       TEX    10    9.0   1   2   2   3     -   -   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
TEXAS              218  242.0   4  31  26 106    16   7  14     3   2   3     1   -   1     1   2   1     -   -   -

Walden       LAA    37   36.7   -   1   1  34     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Takahash     LAA    35   36.3   -  11   3  10     1   2   8     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Downs        LAA    33   28.7   -   6   6  18     2   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Thompson     LAA    27   33.3   1   2   5   7     2   5   4     -   -   -     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Rodney       LAA    26   22.0   1   5   -  19     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Jepsen       LAA    16   13.0   1   4   2   6     2   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Bell         LAA    14   22.3   1   -   -   7     -   -   4     -   -   -     1   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -
Kohn         LAA    11    9.3   1   1   2   6     -   1   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Rodriguez    LAA    10   13.7   -   1   -   4     -   2   3     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
LOS ANGELES        220  232.0   5  32  20 113     9  14  22     1   1   -     2   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -

League       SEA    39   36.7   -   1   6  31     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Wright       SEA    34   35.0   -   6   3  17     2   2   4     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Pauley       SEA    32   45.7   1   1   1  17     1   -   7     1   -   2     -   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -
Laffey       SEA    26   33.7   -   2   3  11     2   1   4     2   -   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Ray          SEA    22   24.3   -   2   4  10     1   1   4     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
SEATTLE            173  198.0   1  14  19  99     7   5  20     3   -   3     -   -   2     -   -   -     -   -   -

Fuentes      OAK    40   37.0   -   6   4  26     2   1   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Breslow      OAK    37   32.0   2   7   3  21     2   1   -     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Ziegler      OAK    34   30.3   -   7   6  17     1   1   2     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Balfour      OAK    33   32.7   1   1   2  25     2   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Wuertz       OAK    27   26.3   1   2   1  20     1   1   1     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Devine       OAK    21   20.0   -   -   4  16     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Blevins      OAK    15   14.3   1   3   3   5     -   -   2     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
Bailey       OAK    14   14.3   -   -   -  13     1   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
OAKLAND            248  248.0   5  29  27 150    12   7  11     3   -   1     1   2   -     -   -   -     -   -   -
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92-93 - Saturday, July 16 2011 @ 06:32 PM EDT (#238800) #
Interesting stuff Magpie, thanks. You can imagine my sigh today when Camp was removed after throwing 6 pitches down 3 runs.
scottt - Saturday, July 16 2011 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#238802) #
Is it Chicago that used mostly a 6 man rotation?

Probably reduces the bullpen innings somewhat.

rikley - Sunday, July 17 2011 @ 02:23 AM EDT (#238814) #
Great stuff Magpie! Just wondering wy Baltimore didn't make the cut....
Magpie - Sunday, July 17 2011 @ 07:17 AM EDT (#238818) #
Just wondering wy Baltimore didn't make the cut....

Is Baltimore still in the league?

(A copy and paste error, fixed!)
92-93 - Monday, July 18 2011 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#238859) #
A thought - does this research really tell us anything about the manager's tendencies without knowing the individual pitch count situations? For instance, when I sighed about Camp's removal, it was because he had thrown 6 pitches. Had he thrown 15-20 it would have been more "normal" to see him removed fro the game and not get a 2nd inning. We'd have to look at how managers are managing pitch counts to see if Farrell is cycling through relievers relative to his peers, not just the amount of times he coaxes a 2nd inning out of his relievers. It's all about the circumstances.
Gerry - Monday, July 18 2011 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#238874) #

Thanks Magpie.  The thought that is in my mind is that Farrell is one of the few managers who are former pitching coaches.  I would have thought that that experience might help him manage pitchers differently than a generic former catcher manager.  So far I can't say that I have seen anything different in his approach.

I think the 92-93 example has come up many times this season and in some cases has bitten Farrell in the butt.  I remember Zep came in in the bottom of the eight and threw one pitch to get out of it.  The ninth was a save situation so Zep was done, even though he had thrown one pitch.   There are many cases like that.

Has anyone seen Farrell do anything differently from a non-pitching background manager?

And, even further, has Bud Black done anything unique with his pitcher management in San Diego?

Magpie - Monday, July 18 2011 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#238881) #
On the one hand, it's Shawn Camp. Camp is an unusual pitcher. Just looking at ESPN's numbers, there are 263 guys who have pitched in the AL this season, and 256 of them - practically everybody - average more pitches per plate appearance than Camp. He'll give you innings, and outings just like that. Six pitches, three outs? He did that on three pitches earlier this season. Camp has had some 13 outings this season where he threw fewer than 10 pitches. Which is a lot - on this team, only Rzepczynski, in the tradition of LOOGYs has had more. (And Rzep hasn't had nearly as many as Joe Maddon's chief LOOGY, Cesar Ramos, but that's exactly what you'd expect from Maddon anyway.) Even so, in most of those low pitch-count outings, Camp either finished the game or handed a Save Opportunity over to the Closer.

I suppose sometimes the manager decides that a pitcher is going to work this inning and someone else is going to work the next inning, and doesn't change his plan unless the pitcher is driven from the game. One would probably prefer a little flexibility, but the vast majority of managers establish plans and policies, and prefer not to deviate from them unless they're actually forced to. I haven't seen any indications that John Farrell is about to reinvent the wheel. I think we're still waiting to see if there's going to be anything at all distinctive about his game management.

That doesn't worry me. I'm not bothered, not in the slightest, by a conventional, by-the-book game manager. Which is what I take Farrell to be, for the most part. What I don't really have a sense for - not yet anyway - is Farrell's relationship with his players. I will always believe that the biggest part of the job is managing those 25 relationships. I just don't have a sense of anything here, neither good, bad, or indifferent. So far- generic, suitable for everyday use. He certainly looks the part.

Farrell does seem to be very good at managing his relationships with his bosses and his co-workers, and he's been able to keep the media off his back (it's still early!) There have been very, very, very few former pitchers who became successful managers. Just Lasorda, really, and maybe Clark Griffith almost a hundred years ago. Fred Hutchison and Buddy Black both had a good year or two, but they're right around .500 for their career. Anyone else?
Flex - Monday, July 18 2011 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#238882) #
All I want Farrell to do is relax. He seems wound pretty tight and I'm thinking (hoping) that has something to do with being a first-year manager. It appears as though nothing he does is capricious or rash. He articulates his thoughts with a care that, though it borders on corporate-speak, I much prefer to the mumbletones of his predecessor. He seems, like Anthopoulos, to be focused on process rather than immediate results. All good. Just needs a bit of seasoning. I don't much care when he replaces one reliever with another.
bpoz - Tuesday, July 19 2011 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#238891) #
I think Farrell is a very patient man. He has had 1 good SP and the pen has got good results from everyone but Rauch & FF, but he is willing to IMO stand by his 2 top RPs.

I have continuing faith in Janssen & Camp from 2010. Fraser was consistently decent last year & this year. Zep has been good but I expected better. Perez has been good & much better than I expected for a rookie that did not really excel in the minors. Dotel has been very good after a rough start.

FF & Rauch on the other hand have been bad overall. IMO unreliable.
BlueJayWay - Tuesday, July 19 2011 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#238895) #
There have been very, very, very few former pitchers who became successful managers.

This is true.  Does anyone know why?
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 19 2011 @ 12:20 PM EDT (#238897) #
Roger Craig finished 1 game above .500 for his managerial career. 

It is easy to imagine why there might be so many catchers who succeed as managers.  It is harder to understand why so many more former outfielders are managers. Some were just smart like Southworth; others were, I guess, nice like Dusty Baker and Chuck Tanner.  Maybe you have to be a little nasty to be a pitcher, and it does help, I suppose, if you are focused intensely on execution rather than the broader sweep of the game.  The other thing is that there is a natural place for pitchers with a broader understanding to go, and that would be pitching coach.  Bamberger might have had a better managerial career had he started out earlier. 

Magpie - Tuesday, July 19 2011 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#238901) #
Bamberger might have had a better managerial career had he started out earlier.

Same with Roger Craig. Both men were very successful pitching coaches first. And Ray Miller, who I believe succeeded Bamberger as Baltimore's pitching coach, is one of the Cautionary Tales, a very fine pitching coach who was a complete failure as a manager. Some 120 different men have won 500 games as MLB managers, and I think just five of them were pitchers: Lasorda, Griffith, Hutchison, Craig, and Walter Johnson (the Big Train, like Larry Dierker, did rather well as a manager.)
Magpie - Tuesday, July 19 2011 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#238905) #
a natural place for pitchers with a broader understanding to go, and that would be pitching coach.

Curiously, Tom Lasorda - by far the most successful pitcher turned manager - was never a pitching coach. After his playing career (mercifully) ended, he worked as a scout and a minor league manager, before becoming Walter Alston's third base coach. (Red Adams was the pitching coach.)
Magpie - Tuesday, July 19 2011 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#238907) #
so many more former outfielders are managers.

Yes, and while the Top 15 winning managers is composed exclusively of catchers and infielders, I think there have always been very well regarded managers around who had been outfielders - from Fred Clarke to Billy Southworth to Whitey Herzog to Felipe Alou. Whereas for the longest time there were no former pitchers even on the job.

Is Lasorda the only one to win a WS? I can't think of another.
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