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It was an ugly day on the farm with just one win.


New Orleans 17 Las Vegas 9

P.J. Walter's second start in the organization did not go as well as the first. He gave up nine runs on seven hits and three walks in 1.1 innings of work. Ron Uviedo and Rommie Lewis were also roughed up. Mike MacDonald worked two innings of scoreless relief. At the plate, David Cooper was 2-for-3 with two walks and a RBI. Veteran outfielder Jason Lane had three hits and three RBI. Brian Jeroloman had one hit and drove in two runs. Darin Mastroianni was 1-for-3 with two walks and three runs scored.

Bowie 5 New Hampshire 3

Deck McGuire struggled with his control and walked four batters in 5.2 innings. He did, though, strike out eight batters. Overall, he allowed four runs. Evan Crawford and Clint Everts finished off the game. The minor league Orioles stole six bases off Travis d'Arnaud, including four by Greg Miclat (46 steals in 48 tries on the year). At the plate, d'Arnaud's woes continued and he was 0-for-4. Adeiny Hechavarria continued his hot steak (.381 in his last 10 games) and had three hits, including a double and a triple. He drove in two. Anthony Gose had two hits but struck out twice. Yan Gomes slammed a solo homer, as the fill-in at first base for the injured Michael McDade.

Tampa 8 Dunedin 7

Nestor Molina had a rare "off-night," but even that resulted in just three runs (two earned) in five innings. He allowed seven hits but also struck out five and did not issue a free pass. Aaron Loup gave up a run in two innings of work and struck out four. Canadian Brad McElroy continues to hit well during the full-time opportunity opened up by Kenny Wilson's injury. He had another two hits, drove in two and stole his 24th base. Jon Talley and Justin Jackson also had two hits. Ryan Goins went 0-for-5.

Fort Wayne 5 Lansing 1

Egan Smith started off the game well but ended with four runs allowed in 5.2 innings. He gave up five hits but no walks and struck out six. Dayton Marze did not allow a run in 1.1 innings of work. Jake Marisnick was the offense for Lansing. He had four of the club's six hits (Oliver Dominguez had the other two). Marcus Knecht struck out four times in as many at-bats but also walked once. Lance Durham struck out three times in as many at-bats and is hitting .176. Markus Brisker was 0-for-3 but walked twice.

Everett 7 Vancouver 2

Taylor Cole got the start but allowed three runs in as many innings. He allowed two home runs. Ben White and Eric Brown were also roughed up but Brandon Kaye and Alex Pepe survived unscathed. Balbino Fuenmayor had two hits. Randy Schwartz went 1-for-3 with a double. Jon Berti was 0-for-4 and struck out three times.

Bluefield 7 Bluefield 6 (10 innings)

The Bluefield Jays had the only win on the day for the affiliates but it took 10 innings. Ajay Meyer allowed three runs in 5.0 innings. Les Williams gave up one hit in two innings. Jon Lucas worked two scoreless innings. Ian Kadish received the save despite allowing two runs in the 10th inning. Kevin Pillar had three hits and a home runs. Javan Willians, Danny Arcila, and Art Charles had two hits each. Pillar, Charles, and Arcila drove in two runs a piece.

GCL Jays - Off Day

DSL Jays - Off Day

Three Stars:
3. Kevin Pillar, three hits
2. Adeiny Hechavarria, three hits
1. Jake Marisnick, four hits
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Denoit - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:13 AM EDT (#240421) #
Hopefully this isnt just a flash in the pan hot streak for Hechevarria and he is figuring something out. What a boost to the organization if he can get his bat working. He seems to have some natural raw power to go along with some speed. If he be anything above a replacement level player with the bat he is going to be a good player. Both he and Gose seem to be on the cusp, they just need to turn the hot streaks into year long consistant AB's.
Mike Green - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:25 AM EDT (#240422) #
Hechevarria and Gose are not in the same boat. At this stage, Gose is a great prospect.  He has hit above league average at age 20 in double A, with very good defensive skills.  To establish his major league readiness, Gose needs to dominate a league and mature; there is no guarantee that he will, but time is on his side (pace Jerry Ragovoy). 

Hechevarria has hit very poorly until the last 2 weeks.  We can be hopeful that something has clicked and that this hot streak reflects some more lasting change, but we will see.
Denoit - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#240423) #
Gose is anything but a finished product. I'll agree he has put up some decent numbers at a young age this year, but the consistency is not there. He has had somewhat of a breakout season, and improved in some areas but nothing to put him into the conversation with the top prospects in the league. At this point they are both considered defence first players that still have things to work out with the bat. Gose also hasn't had to overcome the transition to North America. Lets see how they finish the year, like I said hopefully this is a turning point for Hechavarria.
Jonny German - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#240425) #
Gose's current season over 162 games projects to 50 XBH, 80 BB, 177 K, 77 steals at 77% success... if defence is his calling card give the man a Gold Glove immediately.
Hodgie - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#240426) #
Gose is putting up a better season than Lawrie did at the same age in AA while playing outstanding defnse at a premium position. If Gose is not considered one of the top prospects in the game it is only because of a lack of hype.

Lawrie: age 20 AA, .361 wOBA 117 wRC
Gose: age 20 AA .361 wOBA 122 wRC

Flex - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#240427) #
Given the lack of a major-league thread to post in, I'll use this one, since it does happen to mention a minor-league player.

I've noticed something in regards to John Farrell and I wonder if anyone else has: He has a tendency to voice a lot of opinions in areas that are really his general manager's business, not his. The latest example came regarding the development of Kyle Drabek. In his post-game media scrum yesterday, he said this:

"Personally I think it would be important for him to pitch more innings here in September," he says. "I may be getting ahead of myself here by saying this, but in response to the question, not only for us to get another read on him going to the off-season, but I think for Kyle's continued development as it will take place over the course of the off-season, as he looks back and reflects on the things that happened this year, it would be good to have him finish the year with some positivity and some positive work here at the major-league level."

Maybe this is what you have to expect when you hire a former head of minor league development as your manager, and maybe Anthopoulos doesn't mind his direct-report speaking out of turn. But if I were Anthopoulos, I'd ask John Farrell to keep his opinions on what should happen with Player X or Player Y to himself.
Forkball - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#240428) #
My guess is that Farrell and AA already spoke about handling Drabek privately prior to that quote.
MatO - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#240429) #
Please not that as of today Gose is 20 years and 363 days old.
greenfrog - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 10:39 AM EDT (#240430) #
Gose (#45 on BA's midseason top 50) looks like a very good prospect to me: elite defence in CF, terrific base-stealing potential (with improved success rate this year), young player in AA, respectable offensive numbers, especially given his speed/defense (with improved OBP, SLG, BB:K ratio in 2011).

He will be just 21 for most of next year. Hopefully he can continue to refine his game (controlling the zone, making more consistent solid contact and reducing his K rate). I could see him splitting time between AA and AAA, getting recalled in Sept 2012, and possibly joining the big club in spring or summer 2013.
sam - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 10:50 AM EDT (#240431) #
I actually like how Farrell sounds off on all things about the organization. He seems to know what he's saying and it shows an understanding of the organization that most managers don't care for. I mean AA is really responsible for acquiring talent and handling finances, which he has been exceptional at doing thus far. The minor league staff are then responsible for developing the prospect. They then indicate when a prospect is ready for a promotion or demotion.

I think in their interviews with candidates last winter, one thing they were looking for was a manager who would really imprint a brand of baseball from the top to the bottom of the organization. The Angles and Rays do this well. Sciosia and Maddon both comment and keep a pulse on their minor league operations. Farrell, Wakamatsu, and Walton have spoken at depths to an organizational brand.

Anyways, I do see the potential for conflict with management. But I highly doubt that Farrell would be sounding off the way he does without consulting with Anthopoulos. By all reports they have a very good working relationship and AA understands that it is his job to get the players Farrell wants, and Farrell's job to get the players to play well.

I think the Jays management team, from the front office to the fields of Lansing, Toronto, New Hampshire etc. is one of the best in baseball. You get the feeling everyone is pulling in the right direction. There is a dynamic blend of youth and experienced baseball people, and the Jays seem to treat their people well. Allowing them to pursue other opportunities should they be presented.

hypobole - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#240432) #

On the subject of Drabek, there is something I've been wondering for a while now.

Last year in a Verducci article on Strasburg's TJ surgery, it was noted a study found the "late cocking phase" (where the pitcher is not quite ready to throw the ball when his stride foot hits the ground) being the greatest red flag for pitchers arm injuries. It was also noted Kyle Drabek was one of the pitchers with this "late cocking phase" red flag.  My question is: Did the Blue Jays have him alter his delivery to avoid the "late cocking phase", which has led to the severe command issues he's going through? Has anyone here with knowledge of pitching mechanics noticed a change in his delivery since last season and does he still have this "late cocking phase" noted in the article?

uglyone - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 01:21 PM EDT (#240435) #
once in a while I like to get a look at the total organizational "youth" by age, regardless of level. Here's the guys I think are worth keep tracking of, at least:

Age 25

  • C J.Arencibia (MLB): 339pa, 18hr, 52rbi, 0/0sb, .216/.280/.452/.732, 96ops+, .316woba, 98wrc+
  • CF D.Mastroianni (AAA): 257pa, 1hr, 16rbi, 11/17sb, .267/.362/.385/.747, .336woba, 86wrc+


  • Age 24

  • SP B.Cecil (MLB): 11gs, 4-4, 6.4ip/gs, 6.7k/9, 2.0k/bb, 1.35whip, 4.35era, 4.62fip, 4.36xfip
  • CF C.Rasmus (MLB): 428pa, 12hr, 45rbi, 5/7sb, .245/.326/.420/.745, 107ops+, .328woba, 111wrc+
  • LF E.Thames (MLB): 196pa, 5hr, 22rbi, 0/0sb, .264/.306/.445/.751, 103ops+, .326woba, 105wrc+
  • 1B D.Cooper (AAA): 422pa, 9hr, 83rbi, 1/2sb, .376/.450/.574/1.024, .439woba, 152wrc+
  • RP R.Uviedo (AAA): 24.2ip, 11.3k/9, 3.5k/bb, 1.50whip, 6.20era, 4.66fip
  • RP D.Farquhar (AAA): 50.1ip, 7.5k/9, 2.3k/bb, 1.53whip, 4.47era, 4.00fip
  • SP J.Carreno (AA): 121.2ip, 10.4k/9, 2.3k/bb, 1.24whip, 3.48era, 3.98fip


  • Age 23

  • SP K.Drabek (AAA): 43.2ip, 6.0k/9, 1.2k/bb, 1.97whip, 6.60era, 5.38fip
  • LF T.Snider (AAA): 226pa, 2hr, 29rbi, 7/7sb, .333/.403/.488/.890, .399woba, 126wrc+
  • SP C.Jenkins (AA): 69.0ip, 5.7k/9, 2.2k/bb, 1.25whip, 4.17era, 4.01fip


  • Age 22

  • SP D.McGuire (AA): 18.2ip, 9.2k/9, 2.7k/bb, 1.39whip, 4.82era, 5.24fip
  • C T.D'Arnaud (AA): 371pa, 15hr, 58rbi, 2/3sb, .324/.394/.550/.943, .422woba, 162wrc+
  • 1B M.McDade (AA): 435pa, 14hr, 67rbi, 0/1sb, .290/.331/.480/.811, .357woba, 118wrc+
  • RF M.Sierra (AA): 447pa, 15hr, 55rbi, 11/22sb, .262/.331/.424/.755, .335woba, 104wrc+
  • SS A.Hechavarria (AA): 493pa, 6hr, 45rbi, 19/31sb, .237/.276/.351/.627, .270woba, 61wrc+
  • SP N.Molina (A+): 108.1ip, 9.6k/9, 8.2k/bb, 1.07whip, 2.58era, 2.45fip
  • SP A.Wojciechowski (A+): 99.1ip, 6.8k/9, 2.7k/bb, 1.52whip, 5.26era, 4.49fip


  • Age 21

  • 3B B.Lawrie (MLB): 11pa, 1hr, 2rbi, 0/0sb, .455/.455/.727/1.182, 217ops+, .514woba, 234wrc+
  • SP H.Alvarez (AA): 88.0ip, 6.8k/9, 3.9k/bb, 1.11whip, 2.86era, 3.45fip
  • C A.Jimenez (A+): 349pa, 3hr, 36rbi, 11/12sb, .303/.348/.404/.752, .352woba, 114wrc+
  • LF M.Knecht (A): 423pa, 12hr, 66rbi, 2/5sb, .303/.404/.500/.904, .407woba, 156wrc+


  • Age 20

  • CF A.Gose (AA): 477pa, 11hr, 47rbi, 52/67sb, .262/.358/.413/.771, .361woba, 122wrc+
  • SP D.Hutchison (A+): 45.1ip, 9.1k/9, 4.2k/bb, 1.02whip, 2.98era, 2.32fip
  • CF J.Marisnick (A): 411pa, 10hr, 66rbi, 28/36sb, .316/.389/.482/.871, .395woba, 148wrc+
  • RF M.Crouse (A): 405pa, 13hr, 54rbi, 37/45sb, .266/.351/.479/.829, .386woba, 142wrc+
  • CF M.Brisker (A): 316pa, 4hr, 22rbi, 22/27sb, .235/.348/.362/.710, .345woba, 115wrc+
  • C C.Perez (A): 363pa, 3hr, 38rbi, 6/8sb, .269/.331/.375/.706, .329woba, 105wrc+


  • Age 19

  • SP J.Nicolino (A-): 42.0ip, 12.0k/9, 5.1k/bb, 0.79whip, 1.07era, 1.39fip
  • SS D.Thon (Rk): 115pa, 3hr, 13rbi, 5/7sb, .261/.398/.380/.779, .380woba, 134wrc+


  • Age 18

  • SP N.Syndergaard (A-): 5.0ip, 10.8k/9, 6.0k/bb, 1.00whip, 0.00era, 1.40fip
  • SP A.Sanchez (Rk): 33.2ip, 9.4k/9, 1.9k/bb, 1.66whip, 6.42era, 3.97fip
  • John Northey - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#240436) #
    Looking through that list you sure see Gose, Alvarez, and Lawrie jumping out, the only guys under 22 who are at AA or higher. Hutchison in A+ at 20 also stands out to me as he'll be 21 in AA next year most likely with an outside shot at making the team in 2013 or with a hot season 2012 mid-season (pitchers can suddenly force a teams hand a lot easier than hitters as a general rule).
    greenfrog - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#240437) #
    Crouse, Marisnick and Knecht also stand out to me (with a slight edge to Marisnick, who is 20 and probably could be playing in Dunedin right now).
    ramone - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#240438) #
    Couple of news bits today, according to the Jays transaction page they have signed cuban outfielder Kenen Bailli, I checked with the oracle and can't find too much about him other than his stats in cuba.

    http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=tor#month=8&year=2011&team_id=141

    Also Justin Jackson just tweeted that Henderson Alvarez is going to the "show". Seems a little early to be calling him up, but then again I'm no expert.
    Gerry - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#240439) #

    To add to what has been said about Farrell and AA above, John Farrell has been talking about having a look at Alvarez for a week or so now.  I have found that Farrell often talks about things before they happen, such as the Lawrie call-up.  I also know that Tony LaCava was in attendance at Alvarez's last start, presumably to get a final report on whether he was ready.

    Finally the Jays need a fifth starter this week.

    Flex - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#240440) #
    I have found that Farrell often talks about things before they happen

    This is partly my point about Farrell. He seems to be premature on a lot of his player-development comments. It's entirely possible these comments are coming as a result of conversations with Anthopoulos, but I'm still not sure the GM would want them made public. It wouldn't surprise me if the subject came up in the internal year-end review.

    Interesting news about Alvarez. I'll be riveted to the TV.
    Mike Green - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#240441) #
    One or two starts for Alvarez is fine, but you do want to shut him down soon because of innings/build/age issues.  As far as I am concerned, the Jays have two pitchers right now who can be projected to 180+ innings in 2012 comfortably- Romero and Cecil, and a number of pitchers who you might project for 100-160 innings.  The conventional way to handle that situation is to go fishing for two other pitchers who are liable to throw 180-200 innings; the other way is to split some of the spots in the rotation in some way or other.
    China fan - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#240442) #
    In his mailbag today, Griffin suggests that Alvarez could be the long-term solution to the closer quandary, and he predicts that Alvarez could be groomed for the closer's job with a year as a set-up man.  Certainly he has the stuff for it.  Will be interesting to see if Anthopoulos shifts him to the bullpen in the next year or so.  Anthopoulos has already shown -- with Rzepcyznski, Litsch and Perez -- that he doesn't hesitate to shift a promising young pitcher to the bullpen, even if he's had some success as a starter.
    greenfrog - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#240443) #
    I think this is one reason the Jays were reportedly making inquiries about Wandy Rodriguez at the deadline. A mid-rotation innings-eater would be useful in 2012 and possibly beyond. Besides, it's nice to have options - attrition in the rotation is inevitable.
    92-93 - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#240444) #
    Saturday's SP is projected to pitch home to LAA, @OAK, and then home to KC. You can give Alvarez a nice and (relatively) easy 3 start audition before moving him to the bullpen to suppress his IP total. That way Alvarez would hopefully have 30 MLB innings or so to help boost his potential trade value this winter, sort of like Zach Stewart's 3 start audition perhaps helping the Blue Jays move him in a deal for Rasmus.

    The 2012 projected roster would sure look nice if a trade many of us thought was ludicrous at the time had been made - Greinke for Snider + Drabek.
    Jonny German - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#240446) #
    I'm not so sure I'd do that trade even now. Greinke hasn't exactly set Milwaukee on fire, and is a free agent after 2012.
    TamRa - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#240447) #
    One or two starts for Alvarez is fine, but you do want to shut him down soon because of innings/build/age issues. 

    the Jays usually-referred-to policy is a 20% increase year over year. that put's Alvarez at a ceiling of 149 (based on his previous high in 2009) and he's at 96 right now. If you want to stretch him out you don't need to waste too much of that. He might not finish the season in the Jays rotation (roughly nine more starts) but if he only got 3 or so here I'd send him to the AFL and let him get 3 or 4 more.


    As far as I am concerned, the Jays have two pitchers right now who can be projected to 180+ innings in 2012 comfortably- Romero and Cecil, and a number of pitchers who you might project for 100-160 innings.

    How do you figure? Morrow will be 28 next year and that's well beyond the usual age at which you are nursing pitchers, and even if you were +20% from 2010 takes him to almost 180 (which, with 10 more starts on the schedule, he'll get at least close to) and +20% on that would take him over 200.

    Drabek pitched 179 innings last year.

    It's credible to worry about Litsch on the injury front but even he has been as high as 176




    TamRa - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 03:35 PM EDT (#240448) #
    another highly interesting tweet today on another subject:

    @Matt_Dean_10 Florida tomorrow to see if we can't get this thing finalized #jays



    Mike Green - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#240450) #
    There would be no problem with the club giving Morrow 180 (or 200, for that matter) innings in 2012, but it is optimistic to project that he would be able to handle it because of his pitch count issues and build, and the fact that he has not yet done it. 
    Jonny German - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#240452) #
    For those of us who don't pay real close attention to the draft and only know that Matt Dean was a 13th round 3rd baseman... is he one of the longshot signability picks?
    TamRa - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#240453) #
    yes, IIRC Dean is an absolute STEAL in the 13th round - at least, that's why i'm excited about it.
    uglyone - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:05 PM EDT (#240454) #
    Morrow:

    2010: 26gs, 146.1ip, 5.6ip/gs
    2011: 20gs, 119.2ip, 6.0ip/gs + ~10gs, ~60ip = ~30gs, ~180ip

    He's on track for about 180ip this year even though he missed a few weeks to injury early on. Shouldn't have much trouble repeating that next year, and improving on it if he stays healthy.


    Cecil

    2010: 30gs, 183.2ip, 6.1ip/gs
    2011: 23gs, 149.0ip, 6.5ip/gs + ~10gs, ~65ip = ~33gs, ~214ip

    The only question with Cecil is performance, though based on his overall career numbers now, not to mention his fairly dominant numbers since being recalled, that shouldn't be much of a problem.


    Drabek

    2010: 30gs, 179.0ip, 6.0ip/gs
    2011: 23gs, 116.1ip, 5.1ip/gs + ~10gs, ~50ip = ~33gs, ~166.1ip

    Reliability is the issue here, though if he pitches well then IP won't be.


    Mills

    2010: 23gs, 134.2ip, 5.6ip/gs
    2011: 22gs, 143.0ip, 6.5ip/gs + ~10gs, ~60ip = ~32gs, 203.0ip

    Mills probably won't hit that target this year, because they'll probably shut him down in when he approaches 180. Next year IP won't be a problem, though of course performance is a huge question mark.


    Alvarez

    2010: 21gs, 112.1ip, 5.2ip/gs
    2011: 16gs, 96.1ip, 6.0ip/gs + ~10gs, ~60ip = ~26gs, 156.1ip

    Alvarez would definitely be both a performance and innings limit question mark next year for sure.
    Ron - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#240455) #
    It's time for the Jays to make a Godfather type offer to the Mariners for King Felix. He's stuck on a bad team and based on the lack of bats in the farm system, it doesn't look like it's going to get better anytime in the near future.

    I know Jack Z has said he has no intention of trading him but he could be interested if he was able to pick any 5 prospects from the 2nd best farm system in baseball. If I was in charge of the Jays, I would let him pick any 5 players currently in the farm system and also include Thames, Beede, and Norris to be available. For example a package could include: D'Arnaud, Gose, Marisnick, Beede (PTBNL), and Alvarez.

    Felix would give the Jays a proven ace in the prime of his career with a below market contract. He would also join the rest of the core in being locked up for the next 3 seasons.



    92-93 - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#240456) #
    Greinke's 2.30 xFIP leads MLB among SP with 100+ IP.

    I'd hesitate to call King Felix's 3/59.5m contract "below market", and that package is WAY more than the Blue Jays got for Roy Halladay + 6m.
    Forkball - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#240457) #
    Greinke hasn't exactly set Milwaukee on fire, and is a free agent after 2012

    His FIP is pretty good, and in line with what you'd expect, at 2.99, and his xFIP is 2.30.  Looks like the Brewers defense is killing his ERA.
    Krylian19 - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#240458) #

    Jonny,

     

    Dean was ranked #54 in Baseball America's pre-draft Top 200.  Also consider that he had a bit of a down year and was considered a 1st round talent heading into the spring.  Signing him would be huge.

    uglyone - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#240459) #
    Greinke's 2.30 xFIP leads MLB among SP with 100+ IP.

  • Morrow (26): 20gs, 6.0ip/gs, 4.51era, 2.92fip, 3.24xfip
  • Greinke (27): 18gs, 5.9ip/gs, 4.21era, 2.99fip, 2.30xfip


  • and we could add a divisional adjustment to that.
    Ron - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#240460) #
    I'd hesitate to call King Felix's 3/59.5m contract "below market", and that package is WAY more than the Blue Jays got for Roy Halladay + 6m.

    King Felix has 3yrs/61m left on his contract. If he were to hit the open market this season, he's looking at roughly a 7yr/175 million dollar contract. It's not often you find one of the best pitchers in baseball hit the open market at age 25. When you combine his age/talent, with the demand of pitching in an industry flush with money, you're looking at a monster contract.

    Yes my proposed package is a lot more than what the Jays got for Halladay. Halladay basically forced a trade out of Toronto and his potential destination list was very tiny. King Felix doesn't have full no trade protection and more teams would be involved in the bidding. King Felix is also a lot younger than Halladay without suffering any major injuries
    sam - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#240461) #
    The package probably wouldn't contain any players drafted this year. It would have to contain a significant amount of players that are very close to being ready to play at the ML level.

    Something like Snider, d'Arnaud/Arencibia, and Alvarez/Drabek and probably one of the outfielders in Lansing.
    metafour - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#240462) #
    For example a package could include: D'Arnaud, Gose, Marisnick, Beede (PTBNL), and Alvarez.

    Are you high?
    sam - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#240463) #
    Even the package that I'm proposing is a lot.
    Ron - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#240464) #
    If the Mariners were to accept my offer, the Jays farm system would still have: Snider, Norris, Drabek, McGuire, Perez, Wojciechowski, Sanchez, Syndergaard, Thon, Murphy, Jenkins, Hechavarria, Knecht, Hutchinson, Carreno, Nicolino, Cooper, Loewen, Mastroianni, Sierra, Taylor, Sweeney, Crouse, Jimenez, and Molina.

    History shows the team that gets the one player wins the trade 9 times out of 10 (when it's 1 for a package of players/picks). The Jays use to have the best pitcher in baseball and they couldn't even sniff the playoffs. The Jays currently have the best hitter in baseball and I would hate to see his prime years wasted on non-playoff teams. While it's nice to have a great farm system, unfortunately they don't declare the World Series winner by this method. The Jays are in a position to deal away good prospects to help the major league team without completely draining the farm system.
    greenfrog - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#240465) #
    Realistically, I don't think you get King Felix without giving up Lawrie, ie, a surefire prospect already amassing street cred in the majors. Remember, there is a PR element involved for the M's, as Jack Z would have to sell the trade to the fan base. Imagine the Jays trading the 25-year-old Doc (19-7, 2.93, 239.1 IP, All-Star) for a bunch of promising-but-unproven prospects. Yup, that would have gone over well.

    Also, has a team ever immediately traded the player it just drafted in the first round? That just happened with Drew Pomeranz, but he was drafted almost a year ago. I'm not sure MLB would allow Beede to be a PTBNL in a trade that would then take a year to be consummated.
    ayjackson - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#240466) #
    You can`t trade a player until one year after he signs a ML contract.  You have to name a PTBNL within six months.  Beede cannot be traded until August 15, 2012.  He cannot be a PTBNL until Feb 15, 2012.  (Assuming he signs on deadline day.)
    TamRa - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#240467) #
    Alvarez

    2010: 21gs, 112.1ip, 5.2ip/gs

    2011: 16gs, 96.1ip, 6.0ip/gs + ~10gs, ~60ip = ~26gs, 156.1ip

    Alvarez would definitely be both a performance and innings limit question mark next year for sure.




    don't forget, though, that Alvarez pitched over 140 innings in 2009...


    Albeit, I'd be pretty surprised if Alvarez made the rotation out of ST next year.
    TamRa - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#240468) #
    Lott Confirms: Alvarez will get the Friday night start against the Angels

    that give him two turns and the third falls on the next off day so they can, presumably, re-evaluate.

    Gerry - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#240469) #
    I may be wrong here but I believe these various moves suggest that the Jays think they might have a shot at contending next year. They are trying to sort out who will be team-worthy, and who still has development to go through, before they head into the off-season.
    grjas - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#240470) #
    So to switch away from pitching for a minute, when was the last time we had a lineup with such a broad combination of speed, power, flexibility, bench strength... and youth. While the early 90's WS teams had most of these... it didn't have the same degree of youthfulness. This lineup feels a lot like the 83/84 teams ... exciting to watch, talent galore and youth to boot.

    (Oh yeah, and no closer, but then that would put us back to pitching!)


    Ron - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#240471) #
    Realistically, I don't think you get King Felix without giving up Lawrie, ie, a surefire prospect already amassing street cred in the majors. Remember, there is a PR element involved for the M's, as Jack Z would have to sell the trade to the fan base. Imagine the Jays trading the 25-year-old Doc (19-7, 2.93, 239.1 IP, All-Star) for a bunch of promising-but-unproven prospects. Yup, that would have gone over well.

    I'm not going to let an unproven kid like Lawrie stop me from getting King Felix although I would probably tell the Mariners they can't select Gose then. If Lawrie is traded, you can just slide Bautista back to 3rd and have Snider and Thames be the corner OF's. As for the optics of a King Felix trade, the Mariners don't have to worry about it because they have no fans anyways (zing). Unless the M's are going to trade away their top pitching prospects for bats or go out and sign Fielder/Pujols, they might as well find out what they can get for their ace. I have little reason to believe they will contend for a World Series within the next 3 seasons unless there are major changes.
    Mike Green - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#240472) #
    Drew Hutchison had another excellent outing for Dunedin tonight. Next stop: New Hampshire, April, 2012.
    greenfrog - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#240473) #
    Holy Mackinaw - did he ever. Hutch is on the fast track to somewhere.
    hypobole - Monday, August 08 2011 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#240477) #
    Anyone know what's going on with Justin Nicolino?  He last pitched on the 2nd. Syndergaard pitched on the 3rd and is going again tonight.
    Thomas - Tuesday, August 09 2011 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#240498) #
    Keith Law is reporting the Jays signed Tom Robson for $325,000.
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