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Day 2 of the draft goes today at 1 PM.  Round 3-10, where the Jays get pick #9 in each round so another 8 picks today.  This will finish off the picks that must be signed or you lose cap space.


Tomorrow will be very interesting as that is the picks for rounds 11 and beyond - the guys who are 'unsignable' but sometimes do sign.

Picks & Scouting Reports from MLB.com ...


R1 #9: Jeff Hoffman RHP, East Carolina. 6-4, 185 01/08/1993 - Hoffman went undrafted as a senior at an upstate New York high school in 2011, but he drew six-figure free-agent offers after starring that August at the Connie Mack World Series in Farmington, N.M. He hit 95 mph during the 2012 Cape Cod League All-Star Game, and had another strong performance in the Cape last summer. Though he lacked consistency this spring, Hoffman also had some dominant outings, and he was in the mix to go No. 1 overall to the Astros. That changed when he missed two starts in late April and early May, and East Carolina announced he would require Tommy John surgery. Hoffman hasn't fully grown into his lanky 6-foot-4 frame, yet at times he works in the mid 90s and hits 98 mph with his fastball. His big-breaking curveball can be equally devastating and his changeup can be a plus pitch at times. He throws a decent amount of strikes but will need to refine his command to become a front-line starter in the big leagues.


R1 #11: Max Pentecost C, Kennesaw State (Georgia) 6-1, 190 03/10/1993 - Though Pentecost required surgery to repair a stress fracture in his throwing arm as a high school senior, the Rangers still drafted him in the seventh round in 2011 but decided to go to Kennesaw State instead. He was the 2013 MVP of the Cape Cod League and led the premier college summer circuit with a .962 OPS. A rare catcher who could have average or better tools across the board, has a chance to hit for solid average and power. He has a quick right-handed bat, and while his hitting skills have been more evident than his pop, he did hit six homers on the Cape with wood bats. His receiving skills still need work, though Pentecost should be able to remain behind the plate. He has the requisite arm strength for a catcher, though he can improve his accuracy. He runs better than most backstops and has average speed overall.


R2 #49: Sean Reid-Foley RHP, Sandlewood HS (Florida), 6-3, 216 lbs. 08/30/1995  - Reid-Foley served notice by striking out all six batters he faced at the Perfect Game National last June. He shows the potential to become an eventual No. 3 starter in the Major Leagues. A Florida State recruit, Reid-Foley combines polish and stuff. He throws somewhat across his body, which allows him to run his fastball inside against left-handers. He usually works at 91-93 mph and tops out at 95. Reid-Foley does a good job of throwing four pitches for strikes. His low-80s slider is his best secondary offering, and he also will mix in a curveball and a sinking changeup. His athleticism helps him to repeat his delivery with consistency.

R3 # 83 Nick Wells LHP, Battefield HS (Virginia), 6-5, 180 lbs. 02/21/1996 - Lefty with projectable frame and present stuff. Wellsí fastball will sit in the low 90s, touching 93 mph, and he uses his 6-5l frame to create good downhill plane. His curveball has very good shape with hard, late movement and has the chance to be a swing and miss pitch for him in the future. He hasnít thrown his changeup much, but some scouts say it has the potential to be a solid pitch with good fade and deception. Wells may be somewhat raw at this point, but his interesting mix of pitches and big frame give him a high ceiling.


R4 #114 Matt Morgan C, Thorsby HS (Alabama), 6-1, 190 lbs. 01/27/1996
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No Alabama high school catcher has gone in the first five rounds of the Draft since the Mets took Craig Brazell in the fifth round in 1998. Brazell played only briefly in the Major Leagues, while Morgan has enough promise offensively and defensively to project as a possible regular. Unlike many of the top catching prospects in the 2014 Draft, Morgan creates little doubt that he'll be able to stay behind the plate. He has solid arm strength, receives the ball well and is an agile defender. Scouts give him high marks for his leadership skills and competitiveness, as well. Morgan also can do some damage with his bat. He gets good extension with his right-handed swing and will develop more power once he learns to turn on pitches more frequently. For now, he's content to use a gap-to-gap approach that shows good maturity for a high school hitter.


R5 #144 Lane Thomas RF, Bearden HS (Tennessee), 6-1, 210 lbs. 08/23/1995 -
Thomas has shown good tools across the board this spring. At the plate, Thomas (a right-handed hitter) has a quick bat and an advanced approach and has shown the ability to make hard contact consistently. He also has developing power and should grow into more as he matures. Defensively, Thomas has good range in the outfield due to above-average speed and also has a solid arm. Thomas also has great instincts on the basepaths and should be able to steal a decent number of bases in pro ball. Scouts love his makeup and believe that he should improve even more as he physically matures.


R6 #174 Grayson Huffman LHP, Grayson County College (Texas)
6-2, 195 lbs. 05/06/1995 - Jim Callis Scouting Report : Throws 92 MPH, good changeup, solid curve with command at times. Projectable No.4-5 starter.


R7 #204 Zack Zehner LF, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo (California) 6-4, 215 lbs. 08/08/1992
- Right-handed bat with intriguing power potential. In Caly Poly 2014 Media Guide, Caly Poly coach Larry Lee says Zehner "is an offensive weapon and plays the game all out at all times. He has the ability to hit for average and some power. His defensive skills are continuing to develop."


R8 #234 Justin Schafer RHP, University of Florida, 6-2 182 lbs.09/18/1992
- Jonathan Mayo comments : Two-way player (outfielder) had a good sophomore season but a downturn in his junior year. Better as a pitcher. Throws a fastball in the low 90s with a slider.


R9 #264 Ryan Metzler 2B, University of South Carolina-Aiken, 6-3, 190 lb. .365 BA 03/20/1993 - Right-handed hitter slashed .365/.425/.507 with 16 steals this season. A 2013 NCAA Division II All-Southeast Region First-Team, NCBWA All Southeast Region Second-Team and ABCA All-Southeast Region Second-Team selection.

R10 #294 - Jordan Romano RHP, Oral Roberts (Oklahoma)
6-6 210 lb. 04/21/1993.  Markham, Ontario native! A closer who saved 12 games and struck out 49 batters in 40.2 innings. Compiled a 2.66 earned run average. Winner of the 2014 Southland Conference Relief Pitcher of the Year award. Four-sport standout at Father Michael McGivney Catholic Academy in Markham. Played on the Canadian Junior National Team in 2010. Also lettered in basketball, soccer and volleyball. According to ORU recruiter Ryan Neill after signing Romano, "Jordan is a very projectable kid. His fastball has ranged anywhere from 90-94 (MPH)."
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Richard S.S. - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 10:38 AM EDT (#287770) #
I'm looking through the MLB.com Top 200 List at who have been missed. I don't know when they will get picked, but there's some real value here.

In the first 50,
#38 J.B. Bukauskas HS, RHP, 5'11" 180;
#40 Jakson Reetz HS, C, 6'1" 195;
#46 Milton Ramos HS, SS, 6'2" 165;
#48 Chris Oliver Arkansas, RHP, 6'4" 185.
In the next 10,
#53 Carson Sands HS, LHP, 6'3" 200;
#58 Zech Lemond, Rice, RHP, 6'3" 175;
#59 Michael Cederoth San Diego State, RHP, 6'6" 220.

This is where the next run starts as in the next 40, only 13 were picked. I think Picks 3, 4 and 5 are very significant. Picks 6-10, not so much, although picked the Seniors with the best upside/talent/ability wouldn't hurt.

baagcur - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#287796) #
Toronto's Gareth Morgan goes 74th to White Sox
bpoz - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#287797) #
The Jays should have already calculated a probable cost for the 3 players already picked. So they would know their budget going into day #2. IMO this is valuable information for them regarding punting picks.
The saved money allowed them to get highly ranked but hard to sign players. Here you are dealing in unknowns, how many will fall and how many teams are gambling. As well you should have good good information on their ability and signing demands.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#287798) #
Just thinkin' (or what passes for it)...while waiting for the Draft to resume...

We've got just under 6 million for the Big H and the Big P - I think we get both signed for a total of 4 million (give or take). SRF (Sean Reid Foley) is a cat of several different colours - his "cap" is just over 1.2 million (if I remember correctly) - I think we get him for about 2 million. SO - after these three are signed we'll still have about 1 million above what will subsequently be available (repeating - the give or take - comment) going forward into today and tomorrow.

Assuming we actually sign these guys (remember - if we don't sign those first two guys we lose 6 million of our 9 million total for the draft) then we've already got a good haul of talent and that extra million in our piggy bank. To me it looks like we've got a shot at one or more strong college commitment guys and an extra million to sweeten the pot for the first one or two who blink.

Too early for a wee dram? Ya - a bit, Hope I don't go blind looking at the sun waiting to catch it the moment it rises over the yard arm (whatever a yard arm is...).

John Northey - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#287800) #
If the 3 picks from yesterday are cheap signs then the Jays should take a risk on their first pick today as it is a protected pick.  Round 4-10 might be 'save the cash' rounds then 11 onward 'hard to sign' guys and filler.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#287803) #
WARNING - Personal Opinions To Follow...

Of starting pitchers actually playing in the Jays system now I see FIVE serious mid-rotation + prospects...

In the order I SEE THEM (as to how good they'll eventually be): I see - Norris, Osuna, Stroman (still qualifies as a prospect), Castro and Sanchez. Sanchez would be second IF he actually had an idea where his FB was going when it left his hand. That is a WONDERFUL set of trinkets - no question!

Lets pretend we actually sign Hofffman and Hyphen (Sean Reid-Foley's new nickname) then my new (now) 7 man list would be: Norris ('cause he's fantastic and a lefty), Hoffman, Osuna, Stroman, Castro, Sanchez and Hyphen. In fact there is a chance that Hypen might actually be below one or more of: Hollon, Tirado, Smoral, Bentz or Borucki.

Looks like we'll be able to replace Dickey and Buehrle from within when they're gone - to me it means we'll be able to sign Cabrera AND Rasmus - with only one year of Buehrle's big salary to still have to pay before he's gone...



Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#287804) #
3rd round -

Nick Wells HS LHP, 6' 5" 180 pounds - 93+ FB, good curveball, promising change up, "raw' but "high ceiling."

Looks good...

PeterG - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#287806) #
Wells, a late riser, reminds me of the Syndergaard pick.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#287807) #
Boy - Wells looks skinny - looks like we'll have to put some meat on dem bones...
baagcur - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 01:48 PM EDT (#287808) #
David has some to spare
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#287812) #
What I said above was a quote about Wells that didn't copy for some reason...but boy...it was a great quote...sigh...
PeterG - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#287813) #
another catcher...Matt Morgan, Alabama HS
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#287815) #
That quote - included that Wells works out 7 days a week - lifting weights (little tiny ones by the look of it - just kidding) - in a barn and in the summer it sometimes got over 100 degrees in there (I hope that was in fahrenheit) , his FB has risen from 89 to 93 "consistently" and he was surprised that so may scouts were interested in him. He also has a dwarf fetish - oops sorry - it's me who has that particular fetish...
mathesond - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#287816) #
it was a great quote...sigh...

Ok, you can't leave us hanging. What is the quote?!
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#287817) #
PeterG - Wells looks more like a LHed Sanchez to me than Syndergaard - but I'll go with it - I like Syndergaard a LOT. Morgan looks like another good catcher - very good receiver, good bat, developing power - lot to like...
John Northey - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#287822) #
Just looking for guys in BA rankings who haven't been drafted yet...
Jacob Bukauskas - high school RHP ranked #33,
Mac Marshall - high school LHP, ranked #57
Keith Weisenberg - high school RHP, ranked #70
Bryce Montes de Oca - high school RHP ranked #72
J.J. Schwarz - high school catcher ranked #73
Dylan Cease - high school RHP ranked #77
James Norwood - RHP ranked #79
Keaton McKinney- high school RHP ranked #80
Trace Loehr - high school SS ranked #81
Jeren Kendall - high school OF ranked #88
Cobi Johnson - high school RHP ranked #92
David Peterson - high school LHP ranked #95
Evan Skoug - high school CA ranked #96

So 13 of the top 100 are still out there.  Wonder if the Jays will grab any?
John Northey - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#287824) #
Lane Thomas - RF, sounds good.  Ranked #172 by BA.  Seems the Jays aren't punting picks #4 - 10 this year. 

BA Ranks so far...
Hoffman: #13 (drafted #9)
Pentecost: #10 (drafted #11)
Reid-Foley: #19 (drafted #49)
Wells: #119 (drafted #83)
Morgan: #151 (drafted #114)
Thomas: #172 (drafted #144)

If those first 3 picks are all signed that would be a major 'woohoo'.  3 of the top 20 players would help a lot going forward.  Next 3 are drafted above their station but not by a ton (maybe a round or two early) so some savings might be there.  Reid-Foley is thought to be a hard sign but not an impossible one.  With the potential for savings from Hoffman being there this could be a great draft in the end.  Hopefully some of those top 100 I mentioned earlier are around and taken by the Jays in rounds 11 and beyond as backups.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#287825) #
Thomas Lane ( a dead ringer for Nathan Lane - anyone see the Birdcage?) - a member of the USA under 18 team - hard contact, developing power, great makeup, above ave speed, should improve as he matures physically...

This is looking like a real quality draft...so far...I'm pumped...

IF we end up signing the top two, and have more than a million $ers left over from them - then we're looking VERY good at this point.

Mike Green - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#287829) #
Lane Thomas sounds and looks good, but I see him listed as an OF/SS who has played mostly centerfield. There are a number of ways that he could make the majors, as a centerfielder with typical development of his offensive skills or as a corner (he's got a good arm) OF  top-of-lineup guy.  Reading the scouting reports, I see that some people have said that he doesn't have the tools normally associated with a corner OF- either significant power or great speed.  He apparently makes hard contact and seems to have a good idea of the strike zone, and if there is going to be a Matt Carpenter type among the Blue Jay drafts, this might be it.

Thumbs up.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#287830) #
Grayson Huffman - 6' 1" 195 LHP, junior college guy - # 4 or 5 starter - pitchability lefty.
Forkball - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#287831) #

It's Lane Thomas.

I wouldn't assume that HS players that were ranked lower by BA will provide slot savings.  If anything, I think they'll cost more than slot.  Round 3 - $662k, Round 4 - $458k, Round 5 - $343K.  That's not necessarily life altering money when you could go to college and get at least a million if you're a top 50 pick.

The big unknown is how much savings Hoffman will generate and how much Reid-Foley will take of that amount.

Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#287833) #
More on Lane Thomas - plus speed, interesting bat.

His HS coach says: "...has a chance to become a great power hitter, but he also has tremendous speed. He can steal a ton of bases."

Hit 17 homers this year...

Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#287835) #
100% agreed Forkball - the money saved on the top two will tell how all this is going to unwind. IF - (unlikely) we really get the top pair for a deal - and end up with having spent only 4 of the 6 million - that two million saved will go a long way to get most of these guys signed...
Richard S.S. - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#287836) #
Hoffman might sign for less than $1.0 MM. What are his option otherwise?
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#287841) #
Richard, I was thinking the same thing - but as a Canadian (fair play an all) I just can't see us low balling him any below $1,000,000 - and I even fell uncomfortable going that low.I expect (hope) for a bit over $2,000,000 - that'll save us about a million. Save a bit with Pentecost and we'll be OK(ish)..
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#287843) #
7th round Zack Zehner, college senior, LFer, Cal Poly, 6' 4" 215...
PeterG - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#287844) #
I think 2 mil is much more realistic....if I had to predict, I would say 2.250 mil
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#287845) #
As a senior could this guy be the first "punt" of this draft for the Jays? MLB's tracker has no comments about him.
hypobole - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#287848) #
What are Hoffman's options? How about going back to East Carolina for another year, telling the Jays not to bother drafting him again and getting drafted by another team in 2015 that won't screw him over with an insulting offer.
PeterG - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#287849) #
Zehner is not a senior though he is listed as that on MLB.com.....It is a mistake. On the Cal Poly website he is listed as a junior and there are comments on the choice being a tough loss for the school...suggests he may already have deal with Jays.

http://calpolymustangs.yuku.com/topic/5137/Re-MLB-Draft-Thread-2014?page=-1#.U5Imwe6KDIU
Richard S.S. - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#287850) #
Hoffman basically has a little more or less options than a Senior. If he doesn't sign then he can go to School but he'll never play as the season is over long before he's ready to do anything. Then he hopes he's drafted and gets really good money the next Draft?

I don't think he's picked unless they've already agreed on a price. I don't think he goes this early otherwise. Erick Fedde goes #18, because Hoffman's already gone. I'm willing to go $1,080,800, but I'd like the $2.0 MM savings. With approximately $600 K saved from "Senior signings" and Pentecost saving, we got a chance to do really big things this Draft.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#287851) #
Actually hypobole, it's not that simple for Hoffman. First, TJ takes a year to come back from + time to get full control back. Since he just had the surgery two weeks (or so) ago he'll only be returning to playing shape and condition about this time next year. In other words at the very end of his college teams season. How can he reestablish his worth in just a week or two of pitching?

I think we've got him by the short and... Hopefully, a couple of million will be OK to him and us. I think sane minds will prevail.

bpoz - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#287852) #
I ask this question sincerely because I do not know. If he does not sign, who pays for his surgery, which he has already had? He also gets some money while rehabbing. So about 1.5 years of income until 2016 ST.
metafour - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:06 PM EDT (#287853) #
Hoffman doesn't need to throw a single pitch to get more than $1 million next year. Are you guys serious? That is slot money for a mid-late 2nd round pick. You're talking about a Top 5 talent, potential front-of-the-rotation pitcher...he has some level of leverage. We'll get him at a saving...but $1 million bonus? LOL...zero chance.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#287854) #
Good news that ZZ is NOT a punt!

8th round -- Justin Shafer U of Florida - RHP - two way player - didn't play too much this year. Low 90's FB. 6' 3" 210 "perhaps a gem,"  has some potential and a college arm with upside.
Mylegacy - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:13 PM EDT (#287855) #
The written record on MLB tracker has Justin at 6' 2" 182 pounds...not as heavy as I reported...
hypobole - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:14 PM EDT (#287856) #
Think it through boys. Jays drafted Hoffman FULLY KNOWING he would be out a year. By not pitching for a year, he can't do anything short of being hit by a truck to hurt his draft stock. So his stock next year can't go down, it would go up, because the team that drafts him in 2015 won't have to wait an entire season for him to start throwing again.
Mike Green - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#287857) #
That makes sense, metafour.  $3m is slot for the #9 overall.  $2m is slot for #21 overall; $1.6m is slot for the last pick of the first round. I'd venture a guess that they settle in the $1.8-$2.2 range.  I guess we shall see.

Hoffman had some control issues even before the TJ, and his strikeout numbers in college ball were not outstanding.  The fact that he was considered, at one point, to be a possible #1 pick, will have limited currency next year.  He's got the fastball and he's got the curve, and (if he doesn't sign) he will be 22 years old and not having pitched competitively in a year.  I can't see him doing much better than slot for a 21 pick and I can certainly see him doing worse. 



PeteMoss - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:24 PM EDT (#287858) #
If he has little leverage this year, he has next to none next year. He'd be a senior who hasn't pitched all year.

Whatever he gets from the Jays this year will likely be better than he gets offered next year as a player with no leverage.
Mike Green - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#287859) #
Think it through boys. Jays drafted Hoffman FULLY KNOWING he would be out a year. By not pitching for a year, he can't do anything short of being hit by a truck to hurt his draft stock. So his stock next year can't go down, it would go up, because the team that drafts him in 2015 won't have to wait an entire season for him to start throwing again.

I don't agree with that at all.  Hoffman might start throwing on the side and develop problems.  His control might be horrible when he first starts pitching.  There is all kinds of risk for him.
jgadfly - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#287861) #
One of the few positives from the Beede, Bickford, Paxton & Aliopoulis (?) experience is the Jay's reputation for taking a walk, which may come into play.
Kelekin - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#287863) #
He isn't going to have higher draft stock next year. That makes no sense, because he won't be pitching. Literally all that happens is a year goes by. He'll sign for at least $2 million.
metafour - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:41 PM EDT (#287864) #
If he has little leverage this year, he has next to none next year. He'd be a senior who hasn't pitched all year. Whatever he gets from the Jays this year will likely be better than he gets offered next year as a player with no leverage.
All he has to do next year is show a healthy arm to rebuild interest. This is a kid that was a ~5 million dollar talent before injury. There will be teams lining up to get that type of talent for ~2 million regardless of whether he has thrown in a year or not. Everyone has already seen him throw. If you're picking at the end of the first round next year you aren't going to find a better talent than Hoffman, period. Like I said...we'll save money with Hoffman, but to pretend that we can just offer him a box of crayons because "he has no leverage" is completely asinine. He has leverage: his elite talent.
Richard S.S. - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#287865) #
So far we haven't taken any Seniors as in past, so where are all those savings coming from?
hypobole - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#287866) #
I'll grant Mike's point that there are chances of a setback, because he should be throwing again before the next draft. However, if there are no setbacks, he would be more valuable (and therefore worth more) to the team that drafts him next year than he is to the Jays this year.

I agree he'll get over $2 million from the Jays, probably closer to $2.5.
PeterG - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#287867) #
picks 7,8,9 were not punts like year before last but they are overdrafts so there will be some savings on those and likely from pick 10.......and as some have said there will be savings on Hoffman but not nearly as much as some seem to be hoping.
John Northey - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#287875) #
So far...
BA Ranks so far (they ranked the top 500 players)...
Hoffman: #13 (drafted #9)
Pentecost: #10 (drafted #11)
Reid-Foley: #19 (drafted #49)
Wells: #119 (drafted #83)
Morgan: #151 (drafted #114)
Thomas: #172 (drafted #144)
Huffman: #309 (drafted #174)
Zehnner: unranked (drafted #204)
Shafer: unranked (drafted #234)
Metzler: unranked (drafted #264)
Romano: unranked (drafted #294)

For top picks still out there...
Jacob Bukauskas - high school RHP ranked #33 (must be seen as extremely hard sign)
Mac Marshall - high school LHP, ranked #57
Keith Weisenberg - high school RHP, ranked #70
Bryce Montes de Oca - high school RHP ranked #72
J.J. Schwarz - high school catcher ranked #73
Keaton McKinney- high school RHP ranked #80
Jeren Kendall - high school OF ranked #88
Cobi Johnson - high school RHP ranked #92
David Peterson - high school LHP ranked #95
Evan Skoug - high school CA ranked #96

I suspect the Jays will have their sights set on these guys, especially the top 2 if no one else claims them early on in the final day of the draft.  Rarely do you get anything from round 11 on, so now is a perfect time to draft 'unsignable' guys and see if they really are depending on budget issues.  If you could get Jacob Bukauskas to sign it might even be worth losing a #1 pick next year depending on how good he is and how the draft next year looks.  10% over costs a first round pick in 2015, 11-15% costs first and second round picks in 2015, 15+% costs 1st round pick in 2015 and 2016.  Mac Marshall and Jacob Bukauskas are basically the equivalent of a 1st and 2nd round pick in 2015 but you'd get them a year earlier so they could be worth it, but that extra 5% is less than $500,000 which wouldn't get it done.  You'd be over 15% over most likely thus costing 2 first round picks.  In which case you'd better sign those top 3 picks from this year as well and try to get some of those guys in the 70's and beyond signed too.

Realistically?  I'd draft them as much to block others as to have a backup plan should you have cash left over and no one to spend it on.
Richard S.S. - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#287877) #
John
The draft started out with two College/University JR picks; continued with four High School SR picks; then one Junior/Community College (1 year) pick; then finished with four College/University JR picks. Where, in your opinion, do our savings come from? I ask this because A.A. will need close to $2.5 MM to do everything he wants to do (including some of your pick ideas).
scottt - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#287881) #
Losing next's year first round would be fine since the Jays might end up drafting very late, but they could have a bad year in 2015 so it would be risky to gamble the 2016 pick.
John Northey - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#287892) #
Agreed that we cannot be sure the Jays will have extra cash, but even if they don't simply keeping top 60 talent away from others would make it worth it (don't want the Yankees, Red Sox, Rays, or Orioles getting any extra help). 

Also it depends on how the Jays project the players out.  I think it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do if the opportunity arises - to blow a fortune signing all the best players in a draft that you can reach in exchange for 2 first round picks later.  After all, in the past teams would write off those picks simply to sign a middle reliever.  It all depends on if the players appear to be worth the risk/cost and where the Jays expect to be in 2015/2016.
China fan - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#287896) #
"....they could have a bad year in 2015...."

It's never too early to bring back the doom and gloom.  Fire Gibbons!
Richard S.S. - Friday, June 06 2014 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#287897) #
Any monies extra must come from any savings arising from the first two picks. Also from any meager savings arising from other picks. Mainly because drafting 11 people without knowing anyone is going to sign is criminally stupid.

I agree totally with drafting the cream of the Balance, just to keep it out of the opposition's grimy hands.

A.A. doesn't have the balls to blow the budget on a season's draft picks even though this could be the year. Brandon Morrow could be given a qualifying offer and he'll be in big demand. So there's our pick back, maybe in the thirties and not the mid-twenties.
John Northey - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 01:24 AM EDT (#287898) #
I don't see anyway that Morrow gets a qualifying offer unless he comes back and is lights out.  Last winter there were a couple of guys with better track records who waited until the last minute to get signed and this winter I suspect more players will take qualifying offers if given and Morrow would be smart to be one of them.  Rasmus, on the other hand, would find a bigger deal if he can be healthy the 2nd half I suspect so he could produce a spare pick.

The question AA would have to ask himself is which is more valuable...picks in the 20's in 15/16 or the guys he could sign now.  I seriously doubt he'll do the big risk and shoot way over, but who knows?  Weirder things have happened.
Richard S.S. - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 09:09 AM EDT (#287908) #
I'd almost guarantee Morrow gets a Qualifying Offer and signs a multi-year deal.
Why?
1)He'll be 30;
2)He plays a premium position and he plays it very well;
3)He hits for power.
He only has to return and be average to be in demand.
Check the Free Agent class he'll be in. He's one of the very top Free Agents on the Market.
Chuck - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#287909) #
This ("If teams were comprised solely of players they drafted") may be of interest. Apologies if it has already been linked to in one of the draft threads.
PeterG - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#287915) #
I don't think either Rasmus or Morrow gets a QO.  Add Santos to that list.  Janssesn, McGowan and Cabrera will either get QO's or be signed.
jerjapan - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#287917) #
Not sure why all the talk of qualifying offers.  Morrow has a $10mil club option next year, that will be picked up if he comes back effectively.

Santos has a $6mil option - can't see that getting picked up.

Dustin has an option at $4mil - he's back if he finished out in the pen the way he's started.

Casey isn't going to have draft pick compensation associated with him, but Rasmus and Melky might.  Personally, I see the Jays working out deals with all 3 - Casey is such a perfect fit for us, without the sexy stats that would get the crazy reliever contract.  Melky and Colby are both so inconsistent that I'd guess we could get reasonable deals for both.

Richard S.S. - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#287920) #
All the talk of Qualifying Offers deals with overspending at the Draft. If A.A. goes after all the very best picks and signs everyone and really blows the budget, the max penalty costs first round picks in 2015 (mid-20s) and in 2016 (?). Qualify Colby Rasmus (Oops, wrote Morrow not Rasmus earlier - apologies) and the Jays get a pick in low 30s in 2015. Worry about 2016 next season.
ComebyDeanChance - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#287921) #
we'll save money with Hoffman, but to pretend that we can just offer him a box of crayons because "he has no leverage" is completely unrealistic.(edit)

I agree metafour. In addition, the notion that the team will put its boot on Hoffman's throat and drive him to the lowest dollar is a naive one. He's going to be with the organization for a while. That's not how business works. They already have a good bargaining position by taking him with the protected pick, he and his agent already know that. They'll pay somewhat under slot, but they're not going to try to drive the lowest possible bargain as though he was some street vendor they'd never see again.
hypobole - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 12:06 PM EDT (#287922) #
Jim Callis was on The Fan this morning discussing Hoffman and Pentecost. He believes neither will be signed for much (if any) discount, referencing Giolito's $3 million bonus the Nats gave after choosing him 16th in 2012.
Sal - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#287923) #
Jim Callis was on The Fan this morning discussing Hoffman and Pentecost. He believes neither will be signed for much (if any) discount, referencing Giolito's $3 million bonus the Nats gave after choosing him 16th in 2012.

I think Hoffman is different from Giolito. Giolito was extremely young when he was drafted (He was 17 about to turn 18). If he had not signed, he still had enough time to recover and play college ball and get drafted again when he was 20-21.

Hoffman on the other hand is already 21 and won't pitch again until he is 22-23. He does not have as many options as Giolito had.
finch - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#287929) #
For every Aaron Nola there's a Karsten Whitson. He was drafted by the Red Sox in the 11th round this draft. He turned down a 2.1 million offer from Arizona 3 years ago while going 9th overall. I would urge high school kids to sign.
mendocino - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#287936) #
Bearden outfielder Lane Thomas was picked in the 5th round (144th) by the Toronto Blue Jays. Thomas told WBIR that he will sign, which means he cannot play at Tennessee. The allotted slot value for that pick according to Baseball America is $343,000.

http://www.wbir.com/story/sports/baseball/2014/06/07/several-vols-local-players-selected-in-mlb-draft/10172041/
Richard S.S. - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#287937) #
11. #324: Jake Latz, LHP, HS, 6'2"185, 04/08/96;
12. #354: Tanner Houck, RHP, HS, 6'5"215, 06/29/96;
13. #384: Gunnar Heidt, 2B, JR, 5'11"195, 09/12/92;
14. #414: Chase Mallard, RHP, SR, 6'2"185, 11/22/91;
15. #444: Ryan McBroom, 1B, SR, 6'3"240, 04/09/92;
16. #474: Michael Papierski, C, HS, 6'3"195, 02/26/96, he's Jake Latz's catcher.
Richard S.S. - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#287938) #
17. #504: Quinn Carpenter, RHP, J2, 6'4"195, 03/20/94;
18. #534: Dusty Issacs, RHP, SR, 6'1"190, 08/07/91;
19. #564: Cliff Brantly, CF, JR, 5'9"170, 09/15/92;
20. #594: Aaron attaway, SS, SR, 5'8"170, 03/06/92;
21. #624: Drew Lugbauer, C, HS, 6'3"220, 08/23/96;
22. #654: Todd Isaac, CF, HS, 5'11"175, 05/22/96.
Richard S.S. - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#287939) #
23. #684: Zachary Pop, RHP, Cdn, HS, 6'4"225, 09/20/96;
24. #714: Connor Fisk, RHP, SR, 6'2"230, 04/04/92;
25. #744: Rob Winemiller, RHP, JR, 6'1"195, 09/28/92;
26. #774: Bobby Wheatley, RHP, SR, 6'5"220, 02/04/92;
27. #804: Owen Taylor, 1B, HS, 6'2"200, 06/09/95;
28. #834: Chris Carlson, CF, SR, 5'10"185, 04/29/91;
29. #864: Chris Murphy, RHP, HS, 6'4"260, 02/11/96;
30. #894: Kevin Garcia, C, SR, 5'10"190, 09/17/92.
And with that I'll let someone else finish and do any commentary.
Mike Green - Saturday, June 07 2014 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#287942) #
Bearden outfielder Lane Thomas was picked in the 5th round (144th) by the Toronto Blue Jays. Thomas told WBIR that he will sign, which means he cannot play at Tennessee. The allotted slot value for that pick according to Baseball America is $343,000.

Thanks, mendocino.  That is excellent news.
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