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Challenge Trade! I'd Rather Have

Glaus 56 (26.17%)
Rolen 158 (73.83%)
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Chuck - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 08:57 AM EST (#178734) #

I'd rather have a healthy Rolen than a healthy Glaus. However, from my vantage point, albeit far away from the truth of the matter, Glaus seems to be the healthier of the two, so I'd rather have him.

As was stated by many in the thread, this trade turns entirely on the health of the two players.

Geoff - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 11:12 AM EST (#178741) #
This trade would be even more interesting if they made it a threesome and brought Chipper Jones into the mix.
ayjackson - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 11:22 AM EST (#178742) #

I think I'd rather have a healthy Rolen over a healthy Glaus.  I think Glaus will perform better over the next two or three years - but perhaps not enough to outweigh the defensive considerations.  It remains to be seen how Rolen's defense will stand up over his age 32-34 seasons.

My real opposition to this trade is that I beleive you should manage player movement in such a way to maximize your draft picks.  That doesn't mean you never trade someone who may accrue a compensatory draft pick or never sign a player that will cost you a draft pick, but all things equal - as they are close to being in this trade - I'd keep the player who is likely to accrue at least one draft pick next year.

JohnnyMac - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 12:25 PM EST (#178747) #
I voted for Glaus, based simply on the last few years. If they are both healthy, then I'd have to lean towards Rolen. Barring a complete collapse of one of the two, I think this is a pretty fair deal both ways.

Anyone know how much cash (if any) is coming North of the Border?

Ryan Day - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 12:33 PM EST (#178748) #
That doesn't mean you never trade someone who may accrue a compensatory draft pick or never sign a player that will cost you a draft pick, but all things equal - as they are close to being in this trade - I'd keep the player who is likely to accrue at least one draft pick next year.

It's something to consider, but remember that draft picks aren't for sure. If Glaus had a poor, injury-riddled year, the Jays might not want to risk offering him arbitration in case he accepts. Or if he just has a so-so year and doesn't get any overwhelming deals, he might accept arbitration.
ayjackson - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 01:46 PM EST (#178751) #

If Glaus had a poor, injury-riddled year, the Jays might not want to risk offering him arbitration in case he accepts.

If he doesn't pick up his option, I doubt he accepts arbitration.  As for draft picks not being certainties, they're closer than no draft picks at all.  That was my point - Glaus and Rolen at health are close to equal commodities.  Given that, I'd prefer the chance at two number one draft picks.

CeeBee - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 01:53 PM EST (#178752) #
Would Rolen not be worth any compensatory draft picks in 3 years?  I think there's as good a chance that he will be a type A or B player in 3 years as Glaus next year though getting draft picks sooner rather than later would be a bit of a bonus.
ayjackson - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 03:12 PM EST (#178757) #
Do you think you're going to be qualifying a 35 yr old 3Bman at $12m in 2010? 
Denoit - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 03:17 PM EST (#178759) #

My real opposition to this trade is that I beleive you should manage player movement in such a way to maximize your draft picks.

A draft pick will not fill the hole left by Glaus at 3rd when he files for free agency after this year.  The Jays are thin in the minors, with Ahrens the only player in the system at 3rd that has a chance to make an impact at the Major League Level. He wont be ready for a few years yet. The move will secure the position for a least a couple years untill he is closer. If Rolen is healthy count me in as a beleiver.

TamRa - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 04:49 PM EST (#178767) #
"If he doesn't pick up his option, I doubt he accepts arbitration.  As for draft picks not being certainties, they're closer than no draft picks at all.  That was my point - Glaus and Rolen at health are close to equal commodities.  Given that, I'd prefer the chance at two number one draft picks."

I think you are overlooking something important. lets say we keep Glaus,  and he walks after 2008, and we get the draft pick(s) you are focused on.

Goodie.

now tell me who plays 3B in Toronto in 2009, and whether the downgrade from Glaus to that guy (Crede for instance) is tolerable in light of having gained the draft pick(s).

And you can't really propose a trade, since by trading for a good 3B you give away young talent closer to the majors than the young talent you will be drafting.

ayjackson - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 04:58 PM EST (#178769) #
I'm not going to assume that this was our only option for 3B for 2009 and 2010.  I would have tried to go a different route and have been vocal on this point this offseason.  I've clearly stated that if all things are equal, you have to maximize your draft picks.  If this is the only option for 3B in 2009 and 2010, then all things are not equal, and you have to forsake the possibility of draft picks.
HollywoodHartman - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 05:57 PM EST (#178775) #
It's interesting to see that the poll results paint a very different picture than what has been said in the posts (a near 50/50 split with the scales leaning towards Glaus).
Nick Holmes - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 08:22 PM EST (#178782) #
I voted Rolen. If only because I think St L has to value him a bit less than other teams because of his chemistry with La Russa. Like a lot of other folks on the webs, I'd bet there's a bit more inside stuff that we don't know about going on here; thus the large number of votes vs. comments.

Oh I hope this isn't another Sirotka.

If Rolen is healthy we are in for a treat. His extra D should cover Eckstein's lack (relative to the Prime Minister) and he hits right handers.

Though I might enjoy bashing JP after a few beers, this smells more like Hillenbrandt for Accardo.

...or maybe I just need some sun and vitamin D.

RhyZa - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 09:56 PM EST (#178787) #
Simplistic as it is, my theory is we aren't as close to contending in th East as some of us would like to think... swing for the fences with Rolen I say.
Amarsh - Sunday, January 13 2008 @ 10:25 PM EST (#178790) #
At least with Rolen, I can cheer him on when he runs out groundballs or sprints home to score a run.
With Glaus, I'm always wishing he'd slow down.  Or not bother running at all when he hits a grounder.


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