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The recent LF poll quickly turned into a CF discussion, so let's go ahead and settle that one -- your all-time greatest CF is ...

Earl Averill 0 (0.00%)
Ty Cobb 32 (24.24%)
Joe DiMaggio 9 (6.82%)
Larry Doby 1 (0.76%)
Ken Griffey Jr. 6 (4.55%)
Mickey Mantle 25 (18.94%)
Willie Mays 55 (41.67%)
Duke Snider 2 (1.52%)
Tris Speaker 0 (0.00%)
Other (who?) 2 (1.52%)
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Mick Doherty - Tuesday, February 13 2007 @ 09:46 PM EST (#163519) #
As with all the others, the candidates are culled from the rankings done by The Baseball Page.

Just one change -- #5 "Sliding" Billy Hamilton is out on the ongoing elimination of 19th century players, giving way to #10-ranked Larry Doby ... FYI, #11 is none other than the Toy Cannon, Jimmy Wynn, so there appears to be a steep dropoff after #10. (No offense to Wynn, a fine player, but no threat to the "All-Time" title.)
 
Looking for Blue Jays on the list? CF has been a strong position, historically, but maybe not THAT strong ... the first Jay to appear (unless I missed someone) is Al Oliver at #46, and he played just 61 games in his final season as a Jay ... and only appeard as a DH, PH and once as a 1B.
 
Okay, there's Lloyd Moseby at #91 and Devon White at #96 ... Vernon Wells has not cracked the top 100 ... yet?

Maybe we'll leave this one up a little longer than the others ...

Glevin - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 12:22 AM EST (#163521) #
I have this as between Cobb and Mays. Speaker was fantastic but played in the same era as Cobb and was not quite as good. Mantle has always been hard to guage to me because he was dominant but played in such an obviously inferior league (largely to the NL's breaking of the colour barrier which allowed them Mays, Robinson, Clemente, Cepeda, etc...) I choose Cobb for sheer dominance. 11 times he had the best OPS+ (9 years in a row),  He was top-2 in OPS+ for 13 straight years.
Magpie - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 01:10 AM EST (#163522) #
This is the position that really turns into a Peak Value versus Career Value decision. Mickey Mantle, at his peak in the mid 1950s, is the class of this field. I don't even think there's much room for argument. I think Ruth and Wagner are the only players better than Mantle at his peak. None of the guys here have a case.

But Cobb, Mays, and Speaker hit some mighty impressive heights as well, and they all maintained it much, much longer than Mantle was able to.

As extraordinarily great as Cobb was - and I'd have him in second place on Peak Value, and he played long enough to get 4000 hits - I'd still prefer to keep as safe a distance from him as possible.

Which leaves Mays and Speaker. Great, great, great defenders - Speaker completely revolutionized outfield play, and in a somewhat different way Mays also played the position as no one had before. Tremendous hitters, fabulous baserunners... and maybe best of all, both were distinguished by a marvellous baseball intelligence and understanding. Mantle's greatness grew out of his matchless physical gifts, Cobb's out of his raging will - but while Mays and Speaker were obviously great athletes, they were both very, very smart ballplayers.

None of us saw Speaker play. Speaker, like Cobb, played his entire career when many of the most talented players were not allowed to compete. I am sure he would have succeeded in any circumstances; I am also sure that if his career had begun twenty years later, he would have adapted his game to the livelier ball and hit several hundred home runs.

But Mays actually did those things. On overall career value, it's got to be Mays. I suspect my only real reservation is his rather unimpressive post-season resume, the Catch notwithstanding.

Well, there's got to be something. No player could be perfect. But Willie came about as close as anyone ever has.

By the way, does anyone else remember watching Mays run the bases? As great as he was to watch in the batter's box, or in centre field - there was just no one like him on the basepaths. Wonderful entertainment... he had these enormous strides for a medium-sized (5-11) man, and he somehow ran low to the ground - it looked completely different from the way he motored around in the outfield.

No one like him.

Mike Green - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 10:05 AM EST (#163525) #
I voted Mantle.  My instinct is that his peak was higher than anybody's, including Ruth's or Wagner's.  He got on base relative to league standards as much as Ruth and much, much more often than Wagner.  He ran better than either of them.  He had a little more power than Wagner, and a little less than Ruth.  He had more defensive value than Ruth and less than Wagner.  He accomplished all this in post-integration baseball. 

The Yanks of Mantle's prime (1951-64) made it to the World Series 12 years in 14, and the dynasty immediately collapsed at the end of his prime.  Their dominance over the league in the 50s was mostly offensive, and Mantle was by far the single biggest reason for this dominance.  Apportioning credit for greatness is always difficult, and Yogi certainly deserves a significant share.  I just think that Mantle deserves more of it.

John Northey - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 12:18 PM EST (#163529) #

Checking for peaks, lets do it simply with seasons of 200+ OPS (IE: crazy good seasons).  I'll just go through the contenders.

Cobb - 3 plus 5 in the 190's
DiMaggio - peak was 185 in '39 and 184 in '41
Mantle - 3 plus 2 196's
Mays - peak of 185 in '65, no others above 175
Speaker - peak of 188, 4 years in the 180's

Notes: Griffey Jr was never higher than 172, Averill peaked at 159, Doby at 162, Snider at 172.

So for peak value in CF (not counting defense as the top 5 all had good rep's in their peaks) it is between Cobb and Mantle.  Very close between them and if you mix in endurance I'd have to give it to Cobb although the weaker level of competition back then would knock him down.

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 12:20 PM EST (#163530) #
I went with Mays, so am not surprised he is winning, but only Gehrig and Schmidt have a higher positional percentage accumulation (only Gehrig cracks the 50% mark so far) ... and that surprises me, as I thought a number of people in this poll would get a lot of votes.
GrrBear - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 02:51 PM EST (#163534) #
I voted for the Mick, but I really should have given the nod to the architect of the single greatest play I have ever seen:

The World Series Triple Play That Wasn't.

I had the picture of Devon catching that ball taped beside my computer screen for my whole university career.  It wasn't just the catch, it was the leap, the catch, and the throw.  It was Gruber making the tag and then throwing his hands up in the air in disbelief when the umpire called him safe.

The Blue Jays have been fortunate to have some amazing defensive talent over the years.  Devon, Jesse, Tony, Roberto, Vernon, Orlando, and who can forget Buck's broken leg?

Mick Doherty - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 03:35 PM EST (#163536) #

I voted for the Mick

Thank you!

CeeBee - Wednesday, February 14 2007 @ 07:55 PM EST (#163541) #
The Say hey kid got my vote. I never get tired of watching that catch and throw from the Polo grounds in the 54 world series. Snider, Dimaggio and Mantle would be pretty close but to me Mays is the epitome of a great center fielder.
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