Would you trade Roy Halladay to the Texas Rangers?
| No, no, no, never, never, never! |  104 (34.21%) |
| Sure -- for Hamilton, Young and who else? | 137 (45.07%) |
| Actually, yes, and Newberg's prospect package seems fair. | 41 (13.49%) |
| Maybe I'd trade him, but not to the Rangers. My idea is ... | 22 (7.24%) |
I made a bad mistake. I said Iwould trade him for Hamilton etc...His loyalty means more than a joke . I would never trade him.
This season has been really frustrating, if the team had either luck or a slightly above average offense... this team would be right in the thick of things.
So... I voted for the joke. As much as I love doc, Hamilton, Young and Kinsler? Sure. Sign Sheets and AJ and the team romps. Nice dream but one of those that doesn't feel right (a day at the amusement park where you don't go on the rides kind of thing) because Doc wouldn't be a Jay.
On the other hand that Newberg prospect package doesn't seem like a good deal at all. It doesn't seem as good as the Haren deal and Doc's better and his contract situation is better. The Jays don't really need any of their C, which is a key Ranger farm system strength. I think the people voting for that are the same who "just want to blow it up"... I don't understand that view at all. Half the team is there and it is the hard part to put together. The pitching. Let's see how far the staff can carry the team. It is what makes the team worth watching. I already watch less of the Jays than I did 5 years ago and this team without the pitching would have me on mlb.tv all the time instead of about 1/2 the time.
Sorry for the long winded-ness. Bringing up the subject of trading Doc makes me all...ranty.
I'm the guy who thinks the Jays are still being punished for making Tom Henke walk away. If they actually traded Roy Halladay...
Would I trade him for Tim Beckham and Evan Longoria? Of course. Is there any realistic trade out there? Probably not.
If we do trade Halladay, I hope it is for 2 or 3 blue-chip prospects, not a handful of average prospects. That being said, I cannot see Halladay being traded to Texas because he wants to play in the playoffs, preferably in Toronto. Just because Texas has the prospects does not mean they have even a remote shot at Halladay. Texas would be better off going after Matt Cain, Scott Olsen or another young, controllable starter.
Santana has performed better over the innings he's pitched then Roy, yes. However, I would take the Doc because of A)The mancrush I possess and B) he goes deeper into the game then anybody else - sorry Sabathia, do it against the AL East year in year out and I'd consider you.
I'd rather have Roy for 8 innings a start then Santana for 7. The marginal gain that Santana provides is off set by the volatility of having the bullpen pitch more (and the cumulative effects of using the bullpen more often has on the team in its other games).
Its gotta be Doc.
I'd personally prefer Halladay for 2009, because Santana is not quite the pitcher that he was in 2005-06 and he's coming to an age where he may have to make an adjustment or two, due to loss of velocity. Halladay has already made the adjustments, in my view.
Mike: What are their respective innings/start numbers? I can't find it on the net (I know it exists, I just can't find it on baseball-reference.com or i can't figure out how to manipulate mlb.com statistics to tell me)... just roughly calculating off your numbers (and seeing that Doc has made 90 starts to Santana's 94), Halladay pitches into the 8th inning whereas Santana pitches into the 7th.
That, plus your point (which is a stronger argument anyways), makes Halladay, methinks, an easy choice for 09'.
The answer: no. No. NO. NO. Over my dead body. Uh-uh. Non. Nein. 0. Zip. False. Nada. Nyet. Be off with youse.
I sometimes think that too. Didn't Todd Stottlemyre offer to give up some of his salary to keep Henke here?
He was a good pitcher, a great guy, and he loved it here. Sigh.