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Well, as long as we're looking at teams that bolted New York for California ... who's the greatest Giant?

Barry Bonds 31 (26.50%)
Larry Doyle 0 (0.00%)
Carl Hubbell 3 (2.56%)
Juan Marichal 0 (0.00%)
Christy Mathewson 4 (3.42%)
Willie Mays 78 (66.67%)
Willie McCovey 1 (0.85%)
Johnny Mize 0 (0.00%)
Bill Terry 0 (0.00%)
Other (who?) 0 (0.00%)
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Mick Doherty - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#173028) #

Wow, look at the list of players who don't even make the list of nine finalists in the poll ... Frankie Frisch? Travis Jackson? George Van Haltren?  Roger Connor? Freddie Lindstrom? Roger Bresnahan? Ross Youngs? Orlando Cepeda? (Sorry, O.C., there re already three first basemen on the list -- so much for Will Clark!) ...

Bobby Bonds was great, but no Barry ... Jeff Kent and Matt Williams both protected Barry ... Old-time pitchers like Joe McGinnity, Tim Keefe and Mickey Welch succumb to Mathewson and Hubbell ... Gaylord Perry was no Juan Marichal -- and don't anybody try to squeeze Tim Lincecum in there (yet!) ... No closers on the list, though there have been plenty of "pretty good" ones like Robb Nen, Rod Beck, Gary Lavelle and Greg Minton ... Dang. Is this collection of players actually better than the one put forth by the Yankees???

Mike Green - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#173030) #
Is this collection of players greater than the Yanks?  Nope.  The All-Giants team of Bresnahan, McCovey/Mize, Kent/Frisch, George Davis, Darrell Evans, Ott, Mays and Barry Bonds, with Matty starting would be competitive with the All-Yankees club, though.

I voted Mays.

John Northey - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#173031) #
To me this is a two man race. Barry Bonds vs Willie Mays.

Bonds, just considering what happened on the field, was the better player with a higher peak but Mays did play all of his good years as a Giant.

I had to vote Bonds as he was/is just too darn good. He has been top 3 in OPS in all but 2 seasons as a Giant (the year he was injured and the following season when he was 'just' 6th). In OPS+ the story is the same, except without the 6th place finish in '06. 4 times top 10 for stolen bases. Pre 98 or full career he is just too amazing.

Mays is almost as amazing, but I just have to go with Bonds.
AWeb - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#173032) #
I don't think it's better than the Yankees, although some classic debates are there : Bonds or Ruth, Mays or Mantle? The pitching depth here beats the Yankees although hitting depth goes to the Bombers. It would make an interesting simulated series. The Giants could also call on Hoyt Wilhelm for their team, to put in another top guy on the 25-man roster. The previous comment mentioned Ott : I assume you just missed him when putting the list together, his 22 years with the Giants clearly out-paces a few that made the cut, although just as clearly can't beat Mays or Bonds. Taking advantage of his homefield like he did might lower his standing overall, but in terms of great Giants, I think it actually helps him.

I was thinking this made an excellent contrast with the Dodgers when I first saw the list. The top of the list beats out anything offered by the Dodgers, with Bonds and Mays making the short list for greatest positional players ever, and Mathewson's career numbers are right up there for the pitchers, although his inability to have a "decent" year (5 years with ERA+ 87 or lower, 12 years 123 or higher) hurt his career numbers in the end. 
Mick Doherty - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#173033) #

John, I rarely disagree with you on a point like this, but I voted Mays ... I do think a case can be made that Bonds is better than his godfather was offensively, but defensively, as good a LF as Bonds was (not is, not any more), Willie was arguably the best CF ever to play the game.

I think you can make a good case that Mays, not Ruth, was the greatest position player ever in the history of the entire sport. It's Ruth's pesky dominant pitching career that makes that a problematic argument.

Mick Doherty - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#173035) #
Not sure how I missed Ott -- must have been a cut-and-paste error, he was in the original draft list. He would replace either Doyle or Mize on the list and frankly, probably deserves to finish fourth or fifth, if that many even get votes! Apologies, Mr. Mel!
Glevin - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#173040) #
Who voted for Carl Hubbell? I can see Mays, Bonds, and maybe even Mathewson (who was definitely one of the greatest pitchers ever) but as great as Hubbell was, Mathewson beats him in every catagory-wins, ERA,  ERA+, WHIP, K/BB, etc...I voted for Mays. I could see Bonds, but without the steroids et all, I don't think his SF numbers look anywhere near as impressive. His best four years all came with San Fran and all came with him using drugs
CeeBee - Tuesday, August 14 2007 @ 08:27 PM EDT (#173049) #
Say Hey Kid does it for me. Willie was a 5 tool player who did it all for a really long time. Growing up the Giants were my favorite National League team and Mays, Marichal and McCovey were the reason why.
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