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If we think of the Blue Jays’ farm system in 2003 as a family, then maybe we can assign personalities to each of them. Syracuse is the underachieving eldest child, with some strong individual talents but otherwise saddled with a lot of recycled ideas and habits past their prime. New Haven is the dutiful, keener second child, eager to oust the big brother in the parents’ affections with spectacular results (also, he’s moving out at the end of the year). Dunedin is the quiet, studious one, not producing a lot of fireworks and passing on most of what she develops to New Haven. Auburn, the second-youngest, is the prodigy who burst onto the family scene and got the attention of the entire neighbourhood with her pyrotechnics. And Pulaski, the newest arrival, started quietly but really livened up towards the end of the year, making her parents think there’s another Auburn there just about to develop.

And then there’s Charleston. Poor, black-sheep Charleston, least-favourite third son who got stuck with most of the family’s least attractive talents.

He lives and works in a tough neighbourhood, where what little skill he has is usually obscured. His results have been almost uniformly poor; other than a few bright sparks (quickly claimed by big sister Dunedin) and some workmanlike skills, he has little to show for his efforts. Show some sympathy for poor, neglected Charleston: it’s not easy being the doofus in a high-achieving household.

The Alley-Cats were the least productive of the Blue Jays’ farm teams in 2003. While the best young talent, like Aaron Hill and Jamie Vermilyea, zoomed past them straight to Dunedin, Charleston struggled with a roster composed mostly of younger players still adapting to the pro game and older guys prematurely on the downhill side of their careers. Most of the really exciting talent that began the year here (Brandon League, Vince Perkins) ended it in Dunedin. As a result, the Alley-Cats’ review is one of the shorter ones, and few of the prospects reviewed here would be considered Grade-A. But that will change by next year: with so much raw talent coming up from short-season ball, Dunedin won’t be able to handle it all, and a certain amount of overflow should arrive in the South Atlantic League next year. So things are looking up, even for the most star-crossed franchise of the lot.


DJ Hanson, RHP, 23
10-10, 2.54, 25 GS, 138 IP, 110 H, 56 BB, 113 K, 4 HR, 21.3% KBF

So what do we have here? DJ Hanson was a high-school draftee in 1999 (6th round) who spent the next two seasons in Medicine Hat getting knocked around like a pinball, natch. In 2001, he wrecked his knee in a spring training collision, costing him the whole year and part of the next. He returned briefly in the latter part of 2002 and pitched brilliantly for Auburn, though he did have arthroscopic surgery on his knee after the season to clean up scar tissue. The Jays bumped him up to Charleston to start 2003 and expected great things. They didn’t really come: a season of inconsistency and control problems left DJ with this line entering August: 6-10, 3.27, 104 IP, 91 H, 50 BB, 73 K, 16.7% KBF. As you can tell, that differs markedly from his final numbers, above. The reason is that in August, everything clicked: Hanson went 4-0, 0.27, 33 IP, 19 H, 6 BB, 40 K. The hits plummeted, the control improved markedly and the strikeouts began pouring out. He finished 2003 as the best starter in Charleston and presents a great deal of promise for next year.

Despite his slight stature (5’11”, 175 lbs), Hanson is a power pitcher: his fastball is consistently around 92-94 and touches 96, and complements a hard-breaking curve that comes in at around 85. The comparisons to Dustin McGowan have some merit: both high-school draftees, both with a fastball-curve one-two punch, both coming into their own in the Sally. Hanson’s stuff is a little less overpowering, and he’s still playing catch-up from his knee injury. Also, at 23, he’s up against less formidable opposition and a year older than McGowan. It seems like 2004 will be DJ’s make-or-break year; he’ll probably start at Dunedin, though it’s possible the organization may challenge him with a promotion all the way to Manchester. He’ll be facing his toughest competition yet, but if he meets the challenge and produces, then he can be legitimately grouped with McGowan and Bush as future major-league rotation stalwarts. Keep your fingers crossed.

Rodney Medina, OF, 21
452 AB, .283/.349/.442, 23 2B, 8 3B, 11 HR, 45 RBI, 45 BB, 44 K, 6 SB, 4 CS

When the Blue Jays select their organizational MVPs, they usually do so with a purpose in mind: approving of and encouraging the skills displayed by the winners. Players who might not otherwise seem to have had remarkable seasons are often, upon closer inspection, on-base machines or control artists on the mound. In the case of Medina, named Charleston MVP in 2003, there admittedly wasn’t much competition for the honour. But Rodney displayed a remarkably good batting eye again in 2003, walking more times than he struck out – no easy feat, when you’re leading the team in homers – and sports a career 163/163 BB/K rate. Now in his fifth professional season, Medina was signed as a free agent out of Venezuela in 1998 and has been inching up the organizational ladder ever since.

Rodney does most things very well: he walks, he has extra-base power, and he has good raw speed that hasn’t yet translated into baserunning success. In 2003, he set personal highs in doubles, triples, homers and walks; granted, it was his second season in the Sally, but he won’t turn 22 till Friday and still has time to hone what appears to be a very good skill set. I’m not entirely sure when Medina will have to be placed on the 40-man roster – the Venezuelan and Dominican Summer Leagues, where he spent two years, cloud the issue, as does his age when he signed – but when the day comes, I’d advise the Jays to find some roster space for him. I’m not sure what the club has in Medina, exactly, but it sure looks good.

Ramon Mora, RHP, 22
4-4, 4 Sv, 3.92, 36 G, 6 GS, 78 IP, 85 H, 28 BB, 73 K, 7 HR, 21.4% KBF

I’d classify Mora as just a fringe prospect at this point. Though he’s 22, this is his sixth year in the organization, and only 2001 (at Auburn) and this season have been particularly noteworthy. The BB/K and K/IP are just fine, but that’s a lot of hits allowed for someone who you’d like to think was dominating opposing batters, especially when most of his outings are in relief. Granted, this is his first season in which he’s allowed more hits than IP, but it’s also his first-year in full-season ball, and those two may very well be connected. And in six years, he’s never cracked 80 innings pitched. Pass.

Miguel Negron, OF, 21
109 AB, .303/.330/.422, 13 R, 8 2B, 1 3B, 1 HR, 2 BB, 16 K, 6 SB, 2 CS

He may have run out of time. The bargain first-rounder in 2000 was slowly starting to put it together on his second tour of duty in the Sally, even though he was one of the youngest players on the squad. He was finally cracking the .300 barrier and showing better power than he ever had. But he injured his hamstring in early July and missed the rest of the year (though he’s now sufficiently recovered to be in the Instructional League). And now the Blue Jays face a decision: Negron can become a six-year free agent unless the team adds him to their 40-man roster. I don’t think they will. For all his improvements in other areas, Negron simply couldn’t master the strike zone: an awful 2/16 BB/K rate in his first 109 at-bats. That’s just not going to do it in this organization, and I can’t see JP using the roster spot on a long shot like this.

Negron and Alexis Rios will always be bound together in Jays’ fans consciousness, because Tim Wilken was forced by Interbrew’s accountants to overdraft each one in the first rounds of ’99 and ‘00. But the comparisons were never really fair, and not just physically (Rios’ 6’6”, 200 to Negron’s 6’2”, 170, and 1 1/2 years older to boot). Rios was always considered the more talented of the two, and his ability to adapt to and accept the Jays’ new teaching philosophies turned him from a bust to a star prospect virtually overnight. Negron had bigger problems: he won few friends in his early days in the organization and was not very coachable; his utter lack of production didn’t help matters any.

He finally started to get it in 2002, and was rewarded with his first decent season (.255/.312/.336, 35/77 in 420 AB being decent only in the purely relativistic sense), and seemed to be making progress (with the bat if not with the strike zone) this year. Had he not been injured, things might have turned out differently; as it stands, another team surely will take a flyer on a young centrefielder with such raw talent and excellent defensive skills. If Negron ever does figure out the strike zone, he may yet grow into something remarkable. Consider one final comparison between the bargain boys:

Rios, 20 (Charleston): .263/.296/.354, 25/59 in 480 AB
Negron, 20 (Charleston): .255/.312/.336, 35/77 in 420 AB

Rios, 21 (Dunedin): .305/.344/.408, 27/55, 456 AB
Negron, 21 (Charleston): .303/.330/.422, 2/16, 109 AB

Rios, 22 (New Haven): .352/.401/.521, 39/85, 514 AB
Negron, 22: ?

Sandy Nin, RHP, 23
7-8, 2.89, 23 GS, 131 IP, 124 H, 19 BB, 87 K, 4 HR, 16.5% KBF

Really interesting. This was only Nin’s second season in North America; his pro debut in the Dominican Summer League in 2001 produced an astonishing line of 11-1, 1.12, 97 IP, 70 H, 19 BB, 105 K (though at 21, he was older than much of the competition). He did very well at Auburn last year, and his Sally debut was also impressive. Sandy seemed to wear down as the season went on; he’s a slight 6’0”, 185 lbs, and he’d never racked 100 IP in a season before 2003. His KBF, which was in the very high teens earlier in the summer, fell to an unimpressive 16.5% by season’s end (though in a late-season start at New Haven, Nin delivered a sharp 7 IP, 5 H, 0 BB, 9 K, 1 HR outing). And along with Felix Romero, he delivered the organization’s sole no-hitter this year, August 24 against Greensboro.

There’s a lot to like here: Nin’s fastball is consistently in the low 90s, and he brings a power slider and a decent change-up to the mound as well. His trademark is control: in 324 pro innings, he now sports a 50/278 BB/K ratio. He’s older than your average Dominican free-agent signing, so the time has come to see what he can do against better competition. He will certainly start 2004 at Dunedin, and if things go well there, the Jays might push him up to Manchester for half a season to see what he can do. And if he adds a few more pounds, he might have greater stamina and maybe a little extra oomph on the fastball too. Keep an eye on him.

Justin Owens, DH, 23
272 AB, .236/.348/.338, 41 R, 16 2B, 5 3B, 4 HR, 52 RBI, 62 BB, 106 K, 6 SB, 3 CS

Check this out:

Player A, 23, Dunedin
475 AB, .301/.433/.423, 18 2B, 5 3B, 10 HR, 86 BB, 114 K

Comparing Player A to Justin Owens, you’d probably say that A was ahead in making contact, displaying home-run power and advancement, having achieved all this in the Florida State League. Otherwise, they’re pretty close, right? Excellent batting eye, too many K’s, not much overall pop. Well, Player A is Shawn Fagan, currently stalled out in the Eastern League, and at this point, I’d say Owens would be lucky to have Fagan’s career.

Owens is a lefty who showed a good batting eye, excellent speed and decent pop at remote Coastal Carolina University; the Jays took him in the 34th round of the 2002 draft. He was the MVP at Auburn last year, where he posted a fine .293/.372/.417 line, but he ran into a brick wall in the Sally. Taking into account that this was only his second pro season and that some kind of malaise seemed to affect every Charleston batter except Funky Rod Medina, I’m willing to give Owens another chance; but at 24, his days as an actual prospect are swiftly drawing to a close.

Ismael Ramirez, RHP, 22
6-5, 3.02, 24 G, 22 GS, 119 IP, 110 H, 31 BB, 70 K, 6 HR, 14.1% KBF

The jury’s still out, but they’re ordering dessert, which doesn’t look good for the defendant. Ramirez is in his fifth year with the Blue Jays organization, having spent the first two in the Venezuelan Summer League and the third in the DSL (I really have to find out more about these circuits; they sound incredibly interesting). Even then, he spent almost two years in Medicine Hat, though in 2002 he raced up the ladder and made 27 IP worth of appearances in Charleston and Auburn. In 2003, he made his full-season debut, and like Sandy Nin, he slowed down as the season wore on to more than a hundred innings, allowing more hits and seeing his ERA rise. Interestingly, though, his BB/K rate and his KBF both improved throughout the course of the season. I’m not sure what to make of that, other than that Ismael was around the plate more often in the second half, but I’m going to decide it’s a good thing. The organization has been very patient with Ramirez thus far, but at 23 next spring, they may need to start pushing him harder; he may be in the Dunedin pen come April.

Felix Romero, RHP, 23
2-3, 3.89, 42 G, 0 GS, 69 IP, 63 H, 25 BB, 77 K, 2 HR, 25.8% KBF

Felix Romero is one of 138 past and present pro ballplayers from San Pedro de Macoris in the Dominican Republic (pop. 124,000). To put that in perspective, there have been 214 pro ballplayers from Los Angeles, California (pop. 3,690,000, not including the suburbs and outlying areas). Think about that while I tell you that Romero is a fairly interesting reliever with a fastball that hovers around 90, with a slider and change-up to boot. He’s struck out more than a batter per inning since his arrival in North America three years ago (he spent three years in the DSL, having signed at 18). And while his command is also quite good (49/144 in 136 IP those last three seasons), he gives up a hit per inning too. Romero is a little old and little too experienced to be tootling around in Low-A ball much longer; I sense a promotion in the wings for him, too. Anyone who can post those K numbers deserves a long look.

Tracy Thorpe, RHP, 22
1-2, 6.68, 20 G, 1 GS, 32 IP, 37 H, 22 BB, 21 K, 5 HR, 13.4% KBF

Things just haven’t broken right for Thorpe, an 11th-round pick out of a Florida high school in 2000. He struggled in his first couple of years, as high school pitchers invariably do, but he was showing off a fastball that hung out in the mid-90s and was working on a change and a curveball as well. In 2002, his second tour of duty in Charleston to that point, Thorpe was starting to put it together (103 IP, 96 H, 31 BB, 70 K) when arm soreness turned out to be a labrum torn in two places. He missed the remainder of 2002 following shoulder surgery and was expected to miss ’03 as well, but he rehabbed aggressively and returned to the Alley-Cats in July. But his arm still wasn’t back to full strength, and he could barely crack 90 on the radar; worse, he developed stiffness elsewhere in his arm and suffered shoulder tendonitis. In short, as you can see, it was a hellish year for Thorpe, who has even pondered going back into football (he was a highly regarded quarterback in high school; at 6’4”, 250 lbs, he drew more than one comparison to Daunte Culpepper).

But all is not lost. The velocity did return over the course of the season, and should be back to normal next spring. And to compensate for the missing speed, Thorpe worked hard on his change-up, which is now close to becoming a plus pitch for him. He planned to spend the off-season strengthening his arm and, if possible, to throw a little winter ball as well. Tracy would be an asset to the organization if he could find his form again; from all accounts, he’s an outstanding individual, performing tons of community work with kids during the season and giving pointers to young recruits on his high school football team. It generally takes at least a year after surgery before a pitcher regains his touch and his stuff, so hold out some hope for Tracy Thorpe.

John Wesley, RHP, 22
2-5, 3.48, 8 GS, 41 IP, 38 H, 13 BB, 32 K, 2 HR, 18.9% KBF

Like Thorpe, Wesley is a big, big man ((6’6”, 260 lb) with injury problems. Wesley displayed great stuff last summer after signing as an undrafted free-agent, ripping up the Pioneer League for Medicine Hat with a mid-90s fastball and a useful curveball/splitter combination. But he was old for the league then, and the Sally found him much more touchable. It didn’t help that he showed up at spring training tipping the scales at around 265 pounds, or more than 30 pounds heavier than when he finished his rookie season. To make matters far worse, he tore up his arm and underwent Tommy John surgery in late August. Even assuming he can rehab both his arm and his body, there’s the question of whether he’ll be effective, not to mention his steadily advancing age. Wesley belongs on the back, back burner of Jays pitching prospects right now; you might not see his name again.

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_Mike B - Wednesday, October 15 2003 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#81551) #
It's great to read that DJ Hanson wrecked his knee back in 2001...wait, that didn't sound right. What I mean to say is that, like many others, I began to take notice of Hanson in August but was slightly dissapointed to discover that he was a little old for the Sally league. Knowing that he has had his progress stalled while recovering from his knee injury gives me hope that Hanson could still be a top prospect. 2004 will indeed be an important year in Hanson's development. I would think that his strong finish to 2003 would warrant starting next season at Manchester though, if he does find himself in Dunedin come next April, I'm sure that he won't stay there a moment longer than necessary.
Pistol - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 12:42 AM EDT (#81552) #
Excellent report, as usual. It was funny to read the intro to this piece as this was the one Jays minor league team that I pretty much ignored.

The comparison of Negron and Rios is intriging, but not intriging enough to warrant a spot on the 40 man roster. It'll be interesting to see whether he remains with the Jays or not since he'll likely be a FA.

That points out another benefit of drafting college players - you don't have to put them on the 40 man roster until they're a couple years older. At that point you should have a better idea of whether they are worth protecting.

Maybe I'm jumping the gun by a day (since the Dunedin report isn't up yet), but what do the starting rotations of Dunedin and Charleston shape up to be for next year? Do the Jays have enough starters that they might consider 8 pitchers to tandem start every 4th day? Is this something the organization is considering?

I would guess League, Nin, Hanson, Vermilyea, and Banks would be candidates for Dunedin.

Isenberg, James, and Mastny seem headed to Charleston.

Who else would fill out those rotations? Are there going to be holdover starters from Dunedin (Pleiness, Perkins)?
_Jacko - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 01:59 AM EDT (#81553) #

And now the Blue Jays face a decision: Negron can become a six-year free agent unless the team adds him to their 40-man roster. I don’t think they will. For all his improvements in other areas, Negron simply couldn’t master the strike zone: an awful 2/16 BB/K rate in his first 109 at-bats. That’s just not going to do it in this organization, and I can’t see JP using the roster spot on a long shot like this.


Minor quibble:

Negron was drafted in 2000, so he's nowhere near becoming a 6-year minor league free agent. If the Jays don't add him to the 40-man roster, a tools obsessed team might pick him in the Rule 5 draft and try to stick him in the majors in 2004 as a pinch runner and defensive replacement. This would not do much for his already stunted development as a hitter. Alexis Rios didn't exactly set the world on fire in 2002, and then took a giant step forward in 2003. I think Negron deserves a chance to prove himself as well.

It's debatable if Negron is worth burning a roster spot on or not. What is not debatable is that he's more worthy of protection than Simon Pond, who I think would be completely ignored if left unprotected. Although I think he could choose to refuse an assignment to Syracuse and become free agent if he wasn't added to the 40-man roster. Maybe JP and Keith Law see something that I don't, but I'm not sure what value Pond has to the Jays. He can't play defense at the positions where the Jays need help, and while his bat looks like it has some potential, the Jays have better options at the positions he plays. He is Luis Lopez, part II.
_Jordan - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 08:51 AM EDT (#81554) #
Jacko, right you are -- Negron's Rule 5-able, not 6-year free-agentable. Thanks for the catch.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 09:40 AM EDT (#81555) #
Jordan,another fine report. As you pointed out, there is not much talent here. You could have stopped after Hanson, Nin, Ramirez and Medina (OK, put in Negron for interest), and had room for Davis Romero.

Pistol, I count the following as reasonable candidates for the Dunedin starting rotation in 03: Hanson, Rosario, League, Banks, Vermilyea, Perkins, Nin, Pleiness, Isenberg. I suspect that two will end up starting in Manchester and two in Charleston. Another alternative is a tandem starting regime, 2 starters per game, 4-day rotation. This would fit well for Nin, Vermilyea and Rosario, who for various reasons would do well pitching 4-5 innings next year.

Sandy Nin not only faded as the season went on, but faded as the game went on. He seems suited to a relief role.
_Jonny German - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 10:44 AM EDT (#81556) #
Another great report, Jordan... although this one was a little depressing.

Maybe somebody can answer this for me: What do players who are returning for a second season at Pulaski or Auburn do for April & May? Do they just stay at extended spring training in Dunedin, do they go home for a couple months, do they take jobs at the local Kwik-E-Mart until the short season starts?
Craig B - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#81557) #
Jonny, they usually stay at extended spring training as I understand it. There used to be some sort of spring instructional league in Florida (I remember happening across a spring game in Cocoa Beach in early May one time when I was in Florida as a kid with my dad), I don't know if there still is.

If the Jays don't add him to the 40-man roster, a tools obsessed team might pick him in the Rule 5 draft and try to stick him in the majors in 2004 as a pinch runner and defensive replacement. This would not do much for his already stunted development as a hitter.

DeWayne Wise, age 21, 1999 stats (also at Low-A)

502 AB, .253 AVG, 11 HR, .410 SLG, 42 BB, 81 K

looks like a very reasonable comp for Negron... a little more power and patience, a little less batting average. A tools-obsessed team *did* take him in the Rule 5, did stick him at the end of the bench and used him as a pinch-runner and defensive replacement, he hit .136 in 28 games, and his development as a hitter was indeed ruined forever. Gord Ash, of course, was the culprit on that one... his only ever Rule 5 pick to stick as Blue Jays property.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 01:02 PM EDT (#81558) #
Craig,

You know, there is a bit of a morality play to the Rule V draft. Teams which draft young A Ball players stick them on the end of the bench for a year, and then stick them back in A ball or double A the following year:

a. have little chance of deriving significant benefit from the acquisition, and
b. are doing significant damage to the player's career potential.

Matt Ford is an example from the most recent draft.
_Doom Service - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#81559) #
I think you're right in principle (Lou Thornton? Dewayne Wise?) but wrong in citing Matt Ford as an example.

Ford pitched quite well as an 11th pitcher, long reliever type for the first two months, and had an ERA of 2.15 at the end of June when he was shuffled into the rotation. Four starts later, his ERA had niftily doubled (ERA as a starter: 8.79) and he was on the DL for the rest of the season, with surgery in September for bone fragments in his elbow.

it's not at all clear to me that he was bound for Double-A en route to oblivion in 2004.

The topic seems ripe for a little more digging. Anyone know anyone who's looked at this in more depth?
_Jacko - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#81560) #

Matt Ford is an example from the most recent draft.


Mike, while agree with your points, Matt Ford is a terrible example.

He pitched ok in some low leverage innings. If anything, this will increase Ford's chances of sticking the majors. Johan Santana was a Rule 5 pick for the Twins, and he's ended up turing into an ace.

Jose Morban is a good example of a wruined player. From 2002, Luis Ugueto spriugs to mind.

Pitching seems to be the way to go when making Rule 5 picks. I can only think of two successful Rule 5 picks that were position players. George Bell and more recently, Jose Guillen.
_Jordan - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#81561) #
Don't forget Kelly Gruber, scammed from Cleveland.

Fun fact: check out some of the future Blue Jays (and other notables) chosen in the first round of the 1980 draft:

1. Darryl Strawberry (NYM)
3. Ken Dayley (ATL)
6. Darnell Coles (SEA)
10. Kelly Gruber (CLE)
16. Frank Wills (KC)
21. Jim Acker (ATL)

23. Billy Beane (NYM)

The Jays' own pick that year (#2 overall) was shortstop Garry Harris. You remember him.
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#81562) #
Jacko, I don't agree that Ford's performance this year in Milwaukee will benefit his career. It's not what he needed. He needed to put in some innings in double A and if he succeeded there, then in triple A. Instead, he'll go back to double A next year. As far as I am concerned, it was a lost year for him.

Johan Santana is a good counterexample (actually he was a Rule V pick by the Marlins and then traded to the Twins, but anyways). The Twins endured a couple of years with him, and then he did come around, with his improvement nicely meshing with the team's. I guess one Johan Santana result from a raw Rule V single A draft will lead to many more such selections, ethics be damned.
_Jacko - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#81563) #

Jacko, I don't agree that Ford's performance this year in Milwaukee will benefit his career. It's not what he needed. He needed to put in some innings in double A and if he succeeded there, then in triple A. Instead, he'll go back to double A next year. As far as I am concerned, it was a lost year for him.


I'm not a big believer in "lost years" when it comes to pitchers.

Pitching development, unlike hitting, does not follow any sort of discernable age pattern. So, while it would have been nice for Ford to get 150 IP in AA in 2003, I don't think it was the disaster you are making it out to be.

Finally, do you not think that pitching successfully against major league hitters is a valuable experience?
Mike Green - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#81564) #
Jacko, I didn't say that Ford's year was a disaster for him. It's just that so much of pitching is confidence, and it's generally not good for the confidence to get jerked around from single A to the majors and back to double A. That is the reason why good teams generally promote their own successful pitchers steadily and slowly.

I have the same opinion of the Tigers' promotion of Bonderman this year.
_Jacko - Thursday, October 16 2003 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#81565) #

Jacko, I didn't say that Ford's year was a disaster for him. It's just that so much of pitching is confidence, and it's generally not good for the confidence to get jerked around from single A to the majors and back to double A. That is the reason why good teams generally promote their own successful pitchers steadily and slowly.

I have the same opinion of the Tigers' promotion of Bonderman this year.


Sorry, didn't mean to put words in your mouth. A lot of Rule 5 picks never recover from the year of light use at the major league level. However, for teams that have the room, it's an excellent way to pick up "free talent".

I agree that the The Bonderman promotion was irresponsible. Pitching is both physical and mental, and once a pitcher's confidence is destroyed, it can be very difficult for them to get it back.

The Tigers burned a year of Bonderman's arbitration on almost record breaking season of futility. On the bright side, he appears to have survived the experience, and showed flashes of brilliance.

From an analyst point of view, Bonderman performed almost exactly as expected. I'm often surprised when I see the Baseball Prospectus adjusted numbers for A-ball pitchers -- the translations for even the best pitching prospects are brutally bad.
_chas - Wednesday, January 07 2004 @ 09:06 AM EST (#81566) #
first john wesley reported to spring training at 250 not 265 his best shape of his life,im his trainer.tom mastny throws 88/91.where is brian patrick?25th rder who played in aa and aaa and is versatile and a possible prospect.justin owens played the entire season coming off major labrum surgery in pain and could not play the outfield.get your facts straight.chas...ps do your homework.wesley is already throwing 92 and will return this season BECAUSE OF HIS WORK ETHIC WHICH HAS IMPROVED 100 PERCENT....813 991-9460
Coach - Wednesday, January 07 2004 @ 11:23 AM EST (#81567) #
chas, "do your homework" is a tall order. If you can find a better source of information about Blue Jays prospects, I'd love to know where it is. We are volunteers here, and minor league news is very hard to come by. These articles include the author's opinion and are not portrayed as infallible; we welcome constructive criticism.

Thanks for the injury updates on Wesley and Owens. If you're in Florida for spring training or Charleston during the season and want to file live reports to keep us better informed, I'm sure they will be appreciated.
_James Pidutti - Sunday, January 11 2004 @ 01:22 AM EST (#81568) #
For those of you who have questions I will try and answer as many as them as soon as possible straight from a realiable source when I have access to a computer during the Blue Jays 2004 minor league spring training starting March.6.

And Wesley is a fine pitcher indeed with great stuff and I think he can go very far in this game is he stays healthy. But I remember him reporting at 263 lbs. He's a big power pitcher at 6'5 1/2. He touched 97 at South Carolina but works at 87-93.

Patrick has a lot of talent for a little guy and did make AAA only a few months after turning pro. Really opened some eyes. He can throw 90 from ss.

I wasn't aware that after less than 6 months after t.j. surgery players could throw 92. most guys who I know haven't regained their total velocity back after 1 or 1 1/2 years after the operation but who knows.
_Hey, chas - Sunday, January 11 2004 @ 01:43 PM EST (#81569) #
Are you really the "trainer" for all these guys or are you just the scout who signed them?
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