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We've written nothing - buggerall - not a sausage - about the Blue Jays lately.

Are any of you wondering why?

That was a rhetorical question, of course. Just the other day, reader JB21 expressed what, for all I know, could be a widely shared sentiment:

It's spring training and there's no talk about the Jays, no round ups, no game reports, no anything. Just previews about other teams in the MLB.... Can we step it up a bit around here??

Now we all know that Unpaid Volunteers (!!) can sometimes get a little testy when their efforts are called into question. So were the e-mails flying back and forth between roster members, past and present?

Well, not so much, actually. However a wide range of views was still expressed, ranging all the way from:

... what is wrong with this? He's expressing disappointment and frustration.

to

...when people start sending in checks, then they can damn well start complaining about content.

My own response can roughly be summarized as "Hey, I'm BUSY!"

But today I'm not so busy. And today I'm thinking "the man has a point."

So what is there to say about the Blue Jays, here in the spring of 2006, as we await a season full of... promise.

Well, there's the problem! There is nothing - buggerall - of interest to talk about regarding the Blue Jays. Really. Not yet, anyway.

Let us count the reasons. All spring training games are meaningless, but some are more meaningless than others. Early spring training games are especially meaningless. This is largely because they are overrun with players destined to spend the year in AA or AAA. We already know that John-Ford Griffin (or Gabe Gross, now that I think of it) can hit minor league pitchers.

No one's interested in reading about intrasquad games or off-field workouts, much less writing about them. The action on the Florida diamonds these days is cut from that same cloth.

And this year's games are even more meaningless in light of the fact that several regulars aren't even with the team yet. This also applies to most of the teams the Jays are playing.

Well, what about the battles for jobs? Shouldn't we be paying attention to that?

You bet, but there's nothing to pay attention to. The Toronto roster was pretty much set in stone before camp opened. Consider:

C - Molina, Zaun
INF - Overbay, Hill, Adams, Glaus, Hillenbrand, McDonald
OF - Rios, Hinske, Wells, Johnson, Catalanotto
SP - Halladay, Burnett, Towers, Chacin, Lilly
RP - Ryan, Frasor, Speier, Chulk, Schoeneweis, Downs

That's 24 of the 25 roster spots.

So that leaves the one big question of the spring: namely, whether the Jays try to sneak Guillermo Quiroz through waivers so they can carry Pete Walker as a 12th pitcher. Or Dustin McGowan. Or maybe even John-Ford Griffin as a sixth outfielder.

It says here that they will. However, they'll wait until the very last moment, when the other 29 teams have already settled on who their catchers will be going into 2006. Then they'll try to get Quiroz through waivers and add Walker to the 25 man roster.

Blue Jays Update: Nothing to See Here, Move Along | 115 comments | Create New Account
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eeleye - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 01:19 PM EST (#142275) #
I think we have plenty of options in OF. They are all going to do well this year, even John Ford Griffin. Will not be a problem this year. Rios is doing so much better.
eeleye - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 01:26 PM EST (#142276) #
In fact, I'm almost certain that HInske and Rios will have breakout seasons, with Reed Johnson and Catalanatto losing playing time.
Gerry - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 01:26 PM EST (#142277) #
Hinske was interviewed on the radio before the game. he said he has changed his hitting stance this season by eliminating his timing step. He thinks it is an improvement and it leaves him in a better hitting position. He had wanted to make the change in the middle of last season but Micky Brantley told him it was too major a change to make mid-season.
Gerry - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 01:28 PM EST (#142278) #
Josh Banks as usual threw strikes in the first inning. Aaron Hill had trouble with a ground ball and Jerry and Warren were saying that Butterfield noted that correct footwork was the hardest thing to learn for Hill. Don't forget there are still three weeks left in spring training for Hill to learn.
TJ Caino - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 01:59 PM EST (#142281) #
I posted this in the wbc thread. But it is better suited for this thread.

I recently received my fresh copy of Baseball prospectus. Once again they are bullish on the Jays. All and all I have enjoyed what I have read. I highly recommend the ST. Louis Cardinals essay, and Gary Huckaby's piece entitled "where does statistical analysis fall down? Reality and perception."

(Iím not sure what is appropriate to comment on in terms of protected content.)

In Blue Jays related news:
-We do not have a top fifty prospect by their list.
-Ricky Romero does not get a profile in the team section. This is more a function of our pitching depth than any thing else. Plus BP would not have much to offer in terms of performance analysis for Romero. However, I would have been more curious to hear about their take on him over say Jesse Carlson.
- boiled down our off-season moves by saying that we got a pitcher with a "spotty track record of heath and performance, another who ranks among the games most overrated, and a third baseman with potential injury concerns."
-Assuming it is BJ they call overrated, I don't like this sentiment. Especially when they also say in BJ's write up that he vaulted himself front the top rank of closers and his peripherals were dominating. They do make the point that expecting him to repeat his career year five tomes may be stretching it.
-They call Overbay "Low upside, low power, high OBP..." Uhh guys, he would have been our third best slugger last year behind Vernon and (ahem...) Frank Catalantto. While he is not your prototypical first baseman, he is a good hitter and will improve our line up.
-They also harped on the Koskie, and Delgado deals again.
-BP admits that we are an improved team, however says that we were not as good last year as we thought we were. Pointing to our fortunate amount of runs scored based on our hits and walks. To sum up their commentary we will be better than last year, but we will fall short of the playoffs.
Pistol - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 02:09 PM EST (#142282) #
I've really enjoyed this copy of BP (although I've only been through player comments so far...fantasy draft tomorrow). It seems a lot better than previous years although I can't put my finger exactly on why. Perhaps the change in editors to Karhl and Goldman is the difference.
TJ Caino - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 02:11 PM EST (#142283) #
2 Questions:

Why has Overbay not been playing much?

And is it possible to follow minor league spring training at all?
TJ Caino - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 02:18 PM EST (#142285) #
""I've really enjoyed this copy of BP (although I've only been through player comments so far...fantasy draft tomorrow). It seems a lot better than previous years although I can't put my finger exactly on why. Perhaps the change in editors to Karhl and Goldman is the difference.""

I agree. One thing I enjoy is that they seem almost less dogmatic. Also, they seem more upfront with the limitations of performance analysis.
westcoast dude - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 02:22 PM EST (#142286) #
The Dude tattooed number three, raising his average above four and a quarter and lending credence to his assertions.
Luna RIP.
unclejim - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 03:02 PM EST (#142288) #
Just my thoughts as to the original subject of this thread.

I don't think any of the readers here have a problem if the volunteer writers have nothing to say, or are busy. Thats fair enough, we don't pay anyone for this site and should be grateful that there is a forum as this where intelligent conversatrion can occur.

The problem as I see it is that as only the site writers can start threads then anyone else with something to say has to wait for a 'Notes from Nowhere' thread, or similar to contribute. Over the last few weeks there hasn't really been any thread where 'joe public' can through in something and so as a result the site's kinda seems a bit lifeless.

How about setting up a thread like this more regularly so that everyone else can contribute if they have something to say. This would also cover for those times when the regular contributers are too busy or don't have anything themselves to write...

Just a suggestion.
TJ Caino - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 03:22 PM EST (#142290) #
Has anybody heard if Dayn Perry's book is any good? The title is 'Winners: How Good Teams Become Great Ones.' It sounds interesting.

Also, in BP they said that McGowan has stated a preference for pitching out of the bullpen. They went on to say that the Blue Jays have agreed. Is there any truth to this? It seems to directly contradict what I have heard and read.
A - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 03:27 PM EST (#142291) #
Not entirely true, my friend. If you have a pinch-hit you're always welcome to submit it to one of the good folks who volunteer their time on the roster (not me).
Named For Hank - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 03:30 PM EST (#142292) #
As I said at the tail end of the other thread, we're always happy to take pinch-hits -- if you want to throw together a roundup-style thread and send the html to the address in the FAQ, I'll put it up.
JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 03:58 PM EST (#142295) #
NFH I don't think it's the content that the's problem. We just feel like we need a place to post, that's all. Look at the Blue Jays talk already in this thread, which wouldn't have been here without it...b/c nobody knew where to post it.

Give us a blank thread every couple days, that's all we ask.

Anyways, it's a beatiful day today, anyone else getting Baseball fever?? Less than a Month until OPENING DAY!!
Geoff - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 03:59 PM EST (#142296) #
Discovered this for some AL roundup notes:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/alnotes.htm

Interesting note about Jason Philips swinging the hot bat but with virtually no chance at making the team now. Heaviliy auditioning for a job somewhere else I suppose.

I did not know that. Good for him. I hope Benjie isn't as much a disaster as I've feared this year.

TJ Caino - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:05 PM EST (#142298) #
It seems like there is a misunderstanding here. What we wanted was not an article, or expert analysis. It wasnít that we were saying ďwhy arenít the roster people entertaining us with their wit and intelligence!?Ē We only wanted a thread for general baseball discussions. Whether this thread was prefaced by analysis, nothing, a data sheet, predictions was not a concern. We just wanted a thread opened up.
JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:07 PM EST (#142299) #
Exactly.
Geoff - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:21 PM EST (#142302) #
BTW, I discovered that page through looking at one of the Spring Training reports from last year of a game that was rained out.

Looking at last year's spring training, the games were covered regularly as opposed to not at all this year. Didn't think to check until JB21 asked what was going on. Everyone here is doing this out of the goodness of their bluejay hearts, but there ought to be some system of responsibility or duty. Some people will have a bad week or month or more where leisure time is not available for this space, but it would be nice to see other parts of the roster filling in those gaps. Even if it is just creating the threads many expect to see. I presume there is no regular schedule for content? Seems this interactive space needs to be run more like a radio or television station with regular programming and that hasn't been organized yet.

Or one could just say that the coverage this year won't be as good as last year because the guys who contributed then don't have or want someone filling their duties when they can't make it. Truth is that us outsiders have no clue what to expect or know how things work. But here are the comments for your review.

This site produces a lot and it is a huge commitment collectively by both authors and commenters just for the love of the sport and the Jays.

I'm glad that those who get really steamed by voices of dissent have clenched their fingers so far and hope that the sense of common purpose is what you take away rather than the sound of crying and demands.

Named For Hank - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:24 PM EST (#142304) #
We only wanted a thread for general baseball discussions. Whether this thread was prefaced by analysis, nothing, a data sheet, predictions was not a concern. We just wanted a thread opened up.

We have a policy of not putting up "nothing" threads, because we feel they ultimately demean the rest of the content. But like I said, anyone who wants to stick together a roundup or recap or anything at all like that (like Magpie's intro up top) in order to have a new thread opened up can put it together and e-mail it to me.
JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:29 PM EST (#142307) #
We have a policy of not putting up "nothing" threads

Well the readers have spoken, any way of revisiting that policy?

And it looks like we have some action on this site.
Named For Hank - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:30 PM EST (#142308) #
Everyone here is doing this out of the goodness of their bluejay hearts, but there ought to be some system of responsibility or duty. Some people will have a bad week or month or more where leisure time is not available for this space, but it would be nice to see other parts of the roster filling in those gaps. Even if it is just creating the threads many expect to see. I presume there is no regular schedule for content? Seems this interactive space needs to be run more like a radio or television station with regular programming and that hasn't been organized yet.

We actually do have schedules. It just was not possible to get a good slate of coverage together for Spring Training -- we lost some Roster members, some (like me) were largely inactive due to other committments, and though we added new blood to the Roster, it wasn't enough to get ST and the season previews taken care of. Since this spring is mostly open-and-shut for the Jays, the previews took priority.

You'll note with the Game Reports from last year that there was a pretty clear pattern as to who was posting what, when. We're still plugging ourselves into the big grid for the season and perhaps this is a good time to again solicit pinch-hit Game Reporters -- we have some holes that could use filling. If you're interested, drop me a line and I can give you a list of available game dates to pick from.
Named For Hank - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:34 PM EST (#142311) #
Well the readers have spoken, any way of revisiting that policy?

I dunno, really. We'd much rather have content in every thread, even if it's silly content.
Ron - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:35 PM EST (#142313) #
I've never ever seen the BP annual before. Is the annual just mostly full of stats with player comments and a few short essays thrown in?

I don't want to fork over the dough if I can get all the material for free on various websites.



Ron - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:51 PM EST (#142315) #
westcoast dude - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:56 PM EST (#142316) #
If Philips is on the verge of a career year and Molina is destined to disappoint, is there any way to keep the former and move the latter?
TJ Caino - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:58 PM EST (#142317) #
"We have a policy of not putting up "nothing" threads, because we feel they ultimately demean the rest of the content. But like I said, anyone who wants to stick together a roundup or recap or anything at all like that (like Magpie's intro up top) in order to have a new thread opened up can put it together and e-mail it to me."

I was unaware of that policy. I may just do that sometime. What do you get paid per pinch hit?

""I've never ever seen the BP annual before. Is the annual just mostly full of stats with player comments and a few short essays thrown in?""

That is basically what it is. More specifically, there is an essay for every team, plus profiles on their top 40 or so players. This includes statistical analysis and projections. There are also 6 essays in the back on various topics. As well as top fifty prospects. All for the low price of $26 CDN!
JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 04:58 PM EST (#142318) #
I think JP would have some trouble signing Free Agents in the future if he got rid of Molina this soon.

I don't even know if you can take a Free Agent until a certain point in the season.

It's Spring Training, Molina will be fine.
Named For Hank - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:01 PM EST (#142319) #
What do you get paid per pinch hit?

You get to read all the comments about how yours isn't as good as when Moffatt was doing it.
Flex - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:04 PM EST (#142320) #
If I can add a couple of cents to the discussion, I see there are two camps at odds here. The general theme from the roster seems to be (bluntly put), "We don't post threads without content, but sometimes we're too busy to contribute content, so if you want to read something, write it yourself."

Meanwhile, the theme from the readership seems to be, "we don't need you to always write the content, we're happy to contribute to a general thread if you'd only provide one."

So posters are willing to contribute, but as a collective. Probably because it's less time consuming and less complicated.

Speaking for myself, I like some of the specific articles, but not every one of them. And I suspect that's generally true. What I love most is reading and contributing to a fresh general discussion threat, and it's always a let down when I check on the site and there isn't one.

Too many disappointments in a row and I stop coming for a while. If that happens with too many other people, then it's actually counter productive to the roster's goal of getting readers for the specific articles. It seems to me that if you want those to be read (and why wouldn't you, you've worked hard on them), one way to ensure that they will be is to provide an easy, popular, reliable spot to come and post, after which people will naturally branch off to read other things on the site. Get people in the door and they'll stay a while. It's a pretty standard magazine technique to build readership.

But if you only provide specific content, which inherently doesn't appeal to everyone, then sooner or later people lose the habit of coming, and drift away.
Geoff - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:16 PM EST (#142321) #
Finally! the DUDE has given up his ridiculous giddy-up at the plate.

I'm totally on the bandwagon for the DUDE now. This should be the year he matures into a major league hitter and shows us what his real potential as a contributor to this team will be.

Just don't do those crazy 'ass' commercials again.
Geoff - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:18 PM EST (#142322) #
For those who like to look at a boxscore of today's game:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=260311117
Named For Hank - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:19 PM EST (#142323) #
Speaking of commercials, I think the Sportsnet - A.J. Burnett commercial ("He'll be ready") is really funny, especially Burnett's deadpan reading off of the clipboard.
Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:21 PM EST (#142324) #
I see there are two camps at odds here.

Two? Two? You're not counting the six or seven camps just within the Roster, which, like the sea, "moans 'round with many voices."

Hey! I was busy...

Named For Hank - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:22 PM EST (#142325) #
You're not counting the six or seven camps just within the Roster, which, like the sea, "moans 'round with many voices."

You just gave me brain-lock. I'm going to go do dishes now.
Jim - TBG - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:28 PM EST (#142326) #
Speaking as someone who operates a site with a roster of just four regular writers, it can be tough to crank out new material on a weekly basis, let alone every day (Aspiring writers, we also welcome pinch hits).

We do have an article by our newest Baseball Guy, who dumped the 2006 rosters into Diamond Mind Baseball and simmed a season. Jays fans may be pleasantly surprised.

http://www.torontobaseballguys.com/20060309jamie.html

And we're still looking for votes for the most hated ex-Jay of all-time for an upcoming article.

http://www.torontobaseballguys.com/20060227chris.html

Boomer Wells is a popular choice so far, but he's not a runaway by any means. Just to open up the question, who are some of the ex-Jays that you can't stand?
CaramonLS - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:28 PM EST (#142327) #
Not sure if Phillips needs to pass through waivers to get down to AAA, but if he does, I think a Platoon at DH of Hinske/Phillips would be ideal.

This of course, you hinge on the fact that Rios takes his game to another level and you don't have Dude out in RF.

But if at the deadline Hinske and Rios are both doing very well, I think you do the smart thing and dump Hillenbrand.
Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:30 PM EST (#142328) #
Tennyson will do that.

Well, along with the sour ("this is not a goddam public utility!"), let us offer the sweet. And that can only mean:

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How's that, Pepper?

Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:34 PM EST (#142329) #
a Platoon at DH of Hinske/Phillips would be ideal.

This is not an unreasonable idea - it gives you a third catcher, which is often handy - but it's not going to happen. The Powers That Be love Hillenbrand. And I doubt the 25th man on the roster will be a third catcher.

King Ryan - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:34 PM EST (#142330) #
I don't think this dissent is a surprise, and I think it has less to do with what the Readers think should happen and more to do with what the Readers remember happening in the past.

The first offseason that I was here was in 2003-2004. We had daily "Hijack Centrals," which were very much what NFH just shot down. Empty, contentless threads intended completey for open chat. Throughout the 2004 season we had a "Jays Roundup" every morning which was much the same thing except with song lyrics and links to Jays news.

The following offseason, 2004-2005, we had the "Make Your Own Roundup," which was essentially a Hijack-Central with more of a Jays-focus. We also had QOTDs that were intended to stimulate random discussion.

This offseason the Roster has completely scrapped all of these. It is obvious that the Roster is trying to shy away from this kind of "free reign." The problem with this is that these threads, the Hijack-Cenrals, QOTDs and Roundups were, without question, the most popular threads on Da Box.

Whether you think getting rid of them was a good idea or not, you're bound to face dissent when you get rid of your most popular feature that had been used for the last three years.
Pistol - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:46 PM EST (#142331) #
I've never ever seen the BP annual before. Is the annual just mostly full of stats with player comments and a few short essays thrown in?

I don't want to fork over the dough if I can get all the material for free on various websites.

There's a 2-4 page essay on every team and then a paragraph on about 45 players (give or take) on each team after a three year profile of the player's stats. Then at the end of the book there's a half dozen or so longer essays.

You can easily enjoy the book without focusing on stats.

If you thumb through it in a bookstore you can get a pretty good feel for the book.

Geoff - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:55 PM EST (#142332) #
The Burnett commercial is funny, and not in that silly 'I can sink ships with skipping stones' way. I guess that this is all part of the new development of the Rogers marketing arm. I'm hoping not to see those crazy puppets again. Anyone hear if those guys have been retired?
JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:55 PM EST (#142333) #
Looks like League got lit today.

The best part about the David Bush trade was I don't have to hear "Bush-League" whenever they both pitched in game.

This is the best thread I've read in a while, thanks guys.

I would like the Jays to look at keeping Phillips as their 25th man. It makes our bench very, very good.
Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 05:58 PM EST (#142334) #
you're bound to face dissent when you get rid of your most popular feature that had been used for the last three years.

We don't care. Sorry KR, I couldn't resist.

Actually, it's not so much a case of "getting rid of" so much as "Moffatt and Aaron stopped doing the Heavy Lifting that made so much of it possible." They got tired of it, they didn't have the time anymore, and so on and so forth. Lot of reasons. And no one else wanted to do it.

This is what happens when you're not a public utility providing a service to the world at large. Instead what you got is a diverse group of people... following their diverse muses and pursuing their diverse interests. If you're going to work at something without getting paid for it, you're only going to work at the things you're interested in working on.

The problem with this is that these threads, the Hijack-Cenrals, QOTDs and Roundups were, without question, the most popular threads on Da Box.

Maybe, but we get paid the same whether we're popular or not.

Gawd alwmighty, but I am a mercenary today.

Aaron's note was actually more on point - none of us much like posting a "nothing" item, where we just toss up a thread and say "here ya are, folks, go at it." I think we all feel like shirkers or something if we don't actually have some halfway decent reason for putting up something.

Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:00 PM EST (#142335) #
Speaking of Dave Bush, he's pitched 5 scoreless innings in his two spring starts, and even hit a double in his only at bat.

Well, we knew he could minor league hitters out. We didn't know he could hit minor league pitchers, though.

JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:03 PM EST (#142336) #
You may get paid the same, but if there's nobody to read the features that you want to write, how fun is that?
Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:13 PM EST (#142337) #
how fun is that?

Any true artiste will say that the work is its own reward! And, of course, in our case it pretty much has to be.

But really, no one wants to work hard on stuff they're not interested in. It's actually that simple. I know a whole lot more people will read a roundup of the day's news than a 10,000 word epic on the 1920 season. This thread is proof. I have no illusions about that. But I'm sure I don't have to tell you which is more rewarding to actually write.

westcoast dude - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:15 PM EST (#142338) #
I was a Hillenbrand booster last year. This year he's a victim of the numbers game. Hinske is on the verge of a Bondsian year. So far, Rios has answered the bell for the soon-to-be Classic champions but he's platooned in a hot Puerto Rico OF. Phillips is a gem--and a catcher. Hillenbrand--like Hudson--has tradeable value.
Thomas - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:18 PM EST (#142339) #
Magpie's exactly right. I'm sure you could ask most, if not all, of the Roster which is their favourite article they've ever written for Da Box and the results would not correspond at all with which of their articles has been read the most or received the most comments. In fact, many may have an inverse correlation.
Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:19 PM EST (#142340) #
Hinske is on the verge of a Bondsian year.

You mean Gary "U.S." Bonds, right?

I will be shocked - shocked, I say! - if Hillenbrand is not the opening day DH. And I will be Extremely Surprised if Phillips makes the 25 man roster.

It would mean carrying just 11 pitchers, and your modern major league manager no longer seems able to get along with just six relievers...

JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:19 PM EST (#142341) #
I have no illusions about that. But I'm sure I don't have to tell you which is more rewarding to actually write.

And I enjoy the hard work and I do read some of them.

But why not the best of both world's?

Westcoast Dude: You are predicting a lot of things are going to happen after seeing a couple of Spring Training (& WBC) games.
Thomas - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:20 PM EST (#142342) #
On a random Jays note, Gronk's quietly having a good spring. I don't think he's given up a run.
King Ryan - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:20 PM EST (#142343) #
For what it's worth Magpie, your piece on Dave Stieb is still my favorite Baseball-article of the year...whatever year that was.

Westcoast Dude, I don't get it.
Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:22 PM EST (#142344) #
the results would not correspond at all with which of their articles has been read the most or received the most comments.

And I'm cool with that. My best work tends to demand a lot from a reader. Mainly pretty much all of their free time. Hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of it...

westcoast dude - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:30 PM EST (#142345) #
I tell ya, this is gonne be Hinske's year. Tattoo City, I can feel it in my old bones. It's great to be a fan, now that March is here. Hilly wants to be in Boston so I'm promoting it.
My whale got sliced and diced by a tug boat propeller this week; this is part of my grieving process. There. I'm done.
Thank you.
JB21 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:33 PM EST (#142346) #
Am I the only person who didn't know that our owner's name was Edward?
Magpie - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:37 PM EST (#142347) #
Thank you, KR - I'm fond of the Stieb piece, but it's not my favourite. Too dry, too many numbers. (Even though Rob anointed me as the King of the Data Table, I'm not really a numbers guy.)

I never thought about it, but Ted is just as likely to be short for Edward. I never thought of him as a Theodore. (Or an Edward, now that you mention it.)

By the way, all of the above is something we've been discussing much of the winter - the need to have some kind of daily piece that can serve as the focus of baseball discussion. But being the gang we are, we want it to have content. The first few weeks of spring training passed us by, and we were barely paying attention (because nothing is happening anyway!) - but we'll have chosen some sort of direction. By Opening Day.

Probably.

Certainly by the All-Star Break, right?

In time for the World Series?

Anyway, I must now bail out on this discussion and get ready for hockey. Why? Because I'm gonna get paid for it, why else!

williams_5 - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 06:42 PM EST (#142348) #
Were people just spoiled last year? I don't get what the problem is, particulary when I haven't seen any posts in this thread that are any different or more interesting than many posts from any of the 'notes from nowhere' threads. I can recall roster members specifically saying that people can post non-related topics in the 'notes from nowhere' threads...do people just feel uncomfortable doing so because of where the thread started? It just seems to me that if people aren't happy with the ease of which to post a random comment about the Jays and spring training, there are pleny of sites on the internet on which to do that. I just think what sets this site apart is exactly what guys like NFH are saying...an abundance of nothing threads simply replaces quality with quantity and if you look at the FAQ that not really what this site is about. I like battersbox because it's insightful, intelligent, and not just a place to throw out random comments to pass the time until the season starts. I disagree that the readers have spoken...Ive been a reader for a while now and I'm happy with how things are, and I'm glad that these guys are willing to share this site with us fans, as it is right now, for free. I also think emailing a roster member would be much more useful then using these threads to argue about it.
HollywoodHartman - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 08:11 PM EST (#142350) #
So it's settled... from here on in we refer to Mr. Rogers as Tedward.
Geoff - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 08:23 PM EST (#142351) #
I prefer to call him Turd. It's a funny name.
TJ Caino - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 09:19 PM EST (#142354) #
""I can recall roster members specifically saying that people can post non-related topics in the 'notes from nowhere' threads...do people just feel uncomfortable doing so because of where the thread started?""

Though I do recall someone saying that since this debate has started, it was always my understanding that posting non sequitur was frowned upon in specialized threads. For instance, as of last night there was a notes from nowhere thread. This happened to have been created for Bonds discussion. It also contained a very developed debate about Barry Bonds. I felt that it would not be cool to post general Blue Jays banter on that thread.

The other available thread was specifically made for the Canada S Africa game. And though it was full of general discussion, it was also three days old and nearly 100 posts long.

It seems the problem is that many of the guys on rosters have lives and are not always going to have time to make roundups as often as we would like. I donít see this as a problem at all. My girl friend doesn't do my laundry as much as I would like. In fact she does it never. I canít get mad at her; she has no obligation to do my laundry.

And since the roster does not want to have nothing threads, I suppose it is up to myself and like minded bauxites to pinch hit and submit our own round up/notes form no where/hijack central threads when such threads may be needed or beneficial.

I personally would not mind doing that. Had I known last night that the sticking point between getting a new thread was that they simply wanted to post some sort of content; I would have taken some time and done a quick round up myself in the hopes of generating some discussion.

It is my perception that the roster does not want this site to turn into many of the other websites forums out there. And I agree. The last thing we need are emoticonsÖ especially the one of the guy who has the beer in his hand and head bangs. You know the one? And you get threads with pages of emoticons head banging while holding beer, which some how has to do with Rios having a breakout year. I think that is a valid concern, and also why a lot of readers would like to come here for intelligent baseball conversation.

One thing which may surprise the roster is that most readers and posters share their vision. I respect and value the integrity of this website, as many other do. We do not to see this disintegrate into endless ďnothing threads.Ē

Long and short of it is that I appreciate the efforts put forth by the roster. However, I also enjoy the notes form nowhere/ round-up/ hijack central type of open threads where intelligent well spoken fans can debate the issues of the day, whatever they might happen to be. If having that requires me to get some articles together, or write a quick synopsis of how the jays are doing in spring training, then so be it.
Nolan - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 09:28 PM EST (#142355) #
For what it's worth Magpie, your piece on Dave Stieb is still my favorite Baseball-article of the year...whatever year that was

For me, my favourite Magpie contribution was his epic The Year in Review: 1920. That kind of excellence in quality and quantity is something that no newspaper I have ever read has even attempted to match.

On the topic of some new threads/discussions, I've had something rattling around in my brain for a couple days. I was talking with someone about a time capsule that his graduating class buried, and this sparked a little idea....

What I was thinking about is a combination of that time capsule concept and fantasy baseball. Anyone who wanted to, could submit a roster using any players in the Majors that they feel will be most valuable for a certain period of time [as measured by VORP, WinShares, RCAA/RSAA, or something like that. I'm not too educated in those kinds of statistics, so someone else could pick the best one that measures a player's value...]. All those involved would submit their roster and then it would be "locked" into a vault and taken out after a long period of time to see who chose the best team. My idea would be to have each participant submit 3 teams - one roster that they think will produce the most over a two year period, one for a 5 year period and then one for a 7 year period.

It would require a lot of patience and longevity to see who'd "win;" but I also think it'd be a lot of fun to put the teams together and, when the time periods are up, a lot of to "open" the vault. I think it could become a kind of medal of achievement to the longevity of the site...or something like that.

Anyway, that's just a random idea that popped into my head and I'm not sure if it'll come across as dumb, boring, crazy or interesting to the rest of you readers...

Willy - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 09:55 PM EST (#142356) #
One thing which may surprise the roster is that most readers and posters share their vision. I respect and value the integrity of this website, as many other do. We do not to see this disintegrate into endless ďnothing threads.Ē Long and short of it is that I appreciate the efforts put forth by the roster. However, I also enjoy the notes form nowhere/ round-up/ hijack central type of open threads where intelligent well spoken fans can debate the issues of the day, whatever they might happen to be.

Well said, TJC. I agree with almost your entire post (I must be going soft). And I agree with williams_5 that a steady diet of what passes for "chat" would lose more readers than anything else. For myself, I thought Moffatt's music stuff got old very fast--and eventually just became irritating (probably because I got old fast, too.)

Anyway guys, keep up the good work. Don't succumb to the impatient bleatings of the underfed.
John Northey - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 10:11 PM EST (#142358) #
Always interesting here when a discussion gets going. I've debated doing a pinch-hit a few times but anything I write tends to be done in less than 5 minutes during work or while my wife is on the phone with someone (like right now) thus making me feel like it wouldn't be worth reading.

I really miss the old roundups listing the links for dozens of stories on the Jays but that would take time to put together and, given the pay rate for this site, I can understand why no one does it anymore. 10 years ago when I was single, making crap wages, and having nothing but time to myself I'd have done tons of that stuff (just look on usenet for posts by me back then). Now... well... I don't want say 'I got a life' but, well, that is about it. I figure something similiar for many on the roster here too. This stuff was fun to write but now spending hours on small details about baseball just isn't as important as, say, feeding your kids or spending time with your wife or fixing that (*#&! hole in the wall that has been bugging you all week.

Sigh. Price of getting old (mid-30's).

The worst thing is I can't even tell you who many of the guys playing these spring games are, what the Jays record is, or even how Wells is doing for team USA. 20 years ago I could've told you stuff like that without a thought (I knew the top to bottom of the Jays like the back of my hand, as well as the ML rosters of every other team - geez did I need a girlfriend eh?). Now I blank out on who B Bormaster is (0 for 1 as a PH today). Cool name though.
John Northey - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 10:25 PM EST (#142359) #
Hmmm... just looked at the Jays stats http://tinyurl.com/mkbf4

As a reminder to all - no one on the Jays has yet to reach even 30 AB's. Thus the rule of 'small sample size' is extremely important as is 'spring training stats mean less than rookie league batting titles'.

Still... it is fun to look...
R Patterson is the only guy still at 1.000 for Avg (1 for 1 with an RBI)

Batting leader for guys with 10+ AB's - W Lydon who is 500/545/600 and even has mixed in a stolen base. His stats are kind of screwed up at www.thebaseballcube.com but it appears he hasn't been above AA and hit just 244/313/340 last year (wasn't he just aquired recently in a minor trade?)

Catcher E Kratz did the most with his 3 AB's - getting a home run. Last year he played at AA going 205/283/353 and lifetime in the minors is 257/329/408 - ie: he is not going to be in Toronto during the baseball season except as a tourist.

Pitching wise no one is above 5 2/3 IP yet. The strikeout king is Josh Towers with 5 in 5 IP and 0 walks.

Spring training is a lot like the short program in figure skating. You can't win a job via it (otherwise Gabe Gross would've been a regular last year), but you sure can lose one (McGowan going to AAA for certain I suspect with his 7 ER in just 1 IP so far).
Mylegacy - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 10:57 PM EST (#142360) #
I can't say you heard this here first 'cause everyone and his uncle (the uncle with the beard) have already said it; Hinske is going to have THE year.

Rios will be THE man, at least 25 homers. Glaus will get us all p!ssed off with his low batting average, even with the homers and walks. Molina will get FEWER bats than we expected, Zaun will FIGHT his way back to at least equal playing time by the end of April. Overbay will be Mr. Doubles and a BIG contributor. Hillenbrand will get LESS at bats than we figured, Rios will kick Hinske to DH and Hinske will push Hilly to the bench or a trade.

Adams and Hill will both be a little LESS than we hope. Santos will ROAR into the scene by June and one of the other two will be history. If JP can stomach losing one of his no. 1's. Cat and Johnson will be Cat and Johnson except that Griffin and Cosby might push up from AAA.

Ryan Roberts is for real...what to do with him?

On the pitching side...

Halladay IS God. Brunett will be OK but will disappoint. Lily and Towers will BOTH EXCEL! Chacin will be replaced (or traded more likely) when Banks comes up in July! Banks is FOR REAL!

Ryan and the rest of the pen will be good and consistent all season long. They'll be the reason we get the wildcard by one game over the second place team in the AL west and by two games over the Yankees. Boston will be the surprise run away winner of the AL East.

And, oh yes, more than likely, hell will freeze over and pigs will fly. And if BOTH those things happen Hinske will skate on hell and hit all the pigs for homeruns!

One last thing, I like this thread...it gave me the chance to get all this stuff off my chest. Now, to bed.
VBF - Saturday, March 11 2006 @ 11:39 PM EST (#142361) #
Is this "Hinske is going to have a breakout year" Volume 3.0?

I'll never forget Joe's game report a while back and I'll always think of Hinske as a useful player on any team. He has decent running skills, pretty walk totals, and has a .800+ OPS against righties.

But, I really, *really* hope that the first call that JP gets inquiring about Hinske, that he takes whatever he can get as long as we can get rid of that salary. No second thoughts, no "I think he's for real" thoughts, no hesitation.

Assuming we don't resign anyone who is free agent eligible this year, we're shedding about 15 million plus Hinske's salary if we can shed it. Now add the extra 10 million that the payroll is jumping to and subtract arbitration and salary increases, and we'll have enough to extend Doc, Wells and possibly another free agent.

Lilly will be replaced by McGowan, SS LOOGY can be replaced from within, then you can hope Rios blossoms and are able to stick JFG out there or add a free agent outfielder (hello Carlos/Derrek Lee!). Then you've got DH to play with, so either do the JFG thing there, or resign Shea or someone else.

And this is all without taking Godfrey's "Rogers will spend whatever they need to spend" comments into consideration.

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On a totally different note, the Jays catchy new slogan is "You Gotta Believe". It's been used before, but it definitely works.
Joe - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 12:21 AM EST (#142362) #
I'll never forget Joe's game report a while back and I'll always think of Hinske as a useful player on any team.
In the spirit of shamless self-promotion, I would like to mention that the Game Report VBF is talking about is likely Eric Hinske, What Have You Been Up To?, which is probably my favourite out of all the stuff I've written for Batter's Box. (Of course, I am far overshadowed by my colleagues, which is why I plan to stick to the engine room a little bit more this season.)

From all the stuff I've written, my desire has always been to look at interesting stuff using the small bit of statistical training I have, and hope that someone who knows more than me can use it to discover something even more interesting or important. That it hasn't happened yet doesn't really deter me — though the seemingly low level of general interest in the subject matter kind of does — since the eternal nature of Google and the Internet mean that eventually someone will come across my work and find it useful. That same eternal nature of the Internet mean that some day I might go back and read all of Magpie's stuff, and discover that if you take the first letter of every other paragraph, he spells out his deepest, darkest secrets...

Joe - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 01:17 AM EST (#142364) #
I wouldn't eat one because I love being alive too much, but one minor-league team has created what might be the best food innovation since deep-fried chocolate bars: the doughnut burger.
eeleye - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 01:30 AM EST (#142365) #
MyLegacy, VBF, and Joe...all great comments...
Ben - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 02:33 AM EST (#142366) #
I know most people come here for the Blue Jays commentary but I come here to read about baseball. It's nice to know about the previous day's game but it's even more fascinating to read the 10,000 words on the 1920 season. It's the general non-specific baseball information that keep me coming back. I suppose it's because I consider myself more of a baseball fan in general than a Blue Jays or even A's fan. I'll keep coming back here as long as the baseball articles keep coming, just the same as I'll keep going to Sickels' and the Hardball Times, I enjoy reading the scholarly articles. In addition to all this, Batter's Box portrays itself as an interactive magazine, not a Blue Jays game log or run of the mill message board. There is a distinct Toronto tint to everything but at the same time it's baseball wide. I can understand the need for people to just talk but I also understand and tend to favor the people who don't want to start empty threads. If everyone wants more threads than submiting a pinch hit article is the thing to do. As a free website in a world where more and more stuff is behind the subscription only wall this place is a lot of fun.
Curtis Dixon - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 06:59 AM EST (#142367) #
Regarding "Winners" by Dayn Perry....I'm in the middle of reading it at the moment. An interesting book thus far, although being an avid reader of BP, I'm not learning anything that hasn't already been harped on ad nauseum. There are, however, lots of great anecdotes and tidbits about players and teams from the 80's (before my baseball watching life began, I'm 25).

My only complaint would be that the writing is sometimes repetitive, and there are lots of awkwardly constructed sentences that drive me nuts as I read.
eeleye - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 09:22 AM EST (#142368) #
So what's the deal, now that Canada is eliminated they are not showing any live games of the WBC on sportsnet? Man, Pool B looks so interesting: Puerto Rico, Cuba, Dominican, Venezula! Holy! I hope they show some live games and not just the ones at 1 AM that it says on their site, otherwise I'll be pissed.
eeleye - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 09:35 AM EST (#142369) #
Also, I saw a remark on a TSN post comment website that John Gibbons is not a good coach. Now, I don't really know what makes a good coach or if he's making good baseball decisions. But he seems like a relaxing guy and he's a "player's coach" according to the sportnset broadcasters. Can anyone enlighten me on his quality as a manager? Will he be good in late season games?????

Much appreciated.
mathesond - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 10:07 AM EST (#142371) #
Gibbons is not a good manager because he's never won a pennant race or taken a team to the playoffs (major league level only). Also, since Toronto is his first major league managerial gig, he doesn't have the experience that, say, Frank Robinson (.478 winning percentage over 18 seasons) or Mike Hargrove (.502 percentage, 2 WS appearances over 14 seasons) do. Until he builds a track record of, well, being a manager for several years, he won't be a good manager. I mean, it took Mike Scoscia 3 years to win a WS with the Angels, and therefore become a good - no, great - manager (despite following up that WS win with a 77-85 record)
JB21 - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 11:54 AM EST (#142374) #
I don't think there have been any WBC games in the last couple days, as teams are traveling to the next site.

The US Team plays tonight at Midnight on Sportsnet, not too sure why so late. Starting Monday, there will be some games on Sportsnet at normal times again. (Though the games are on the West Coast so games are later)

The Schedule is here.
birdwatcher - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 01:22 PM EST (#142376) #
Anybody know if there's been any reaction to this quotation attributed to Vernon Wells ? It was reported in today's Newberg Report, a Texas Ranger blog:

Vernon Wells tells Kate O'Brien of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that he and his best friend, Michael Young, will be teammates one day: "It's just a matter of time when that will happen."Wells' current deal with Toronto expires after the 2007 season. So does the guaranteed portion of Young's Texas deal, but the Rangers are sure to pick up the 2008 option if they haven't extended Young for life beforehand.

If this is accurate, can't make Ricciardi too happy !

eeleye - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 02:01 PM EST (#142377) #
Blue Jays farm system is cursed. They're only best friends because they grew up in OUR system. All of our good players go away.
JB21 - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 02:01 PM EST (#142378) #
Too bad we didn't still have Micahel Young, then we probably wouldn't have to have this little problem.

Often players talk about these situations, but it doesn't happen. I know that Nash & Magloire always talk about wanting to play in Toronto, but the time comes up and there's another team and another situation that is better at that point and time. It just doesn't work out as easy as they think it might be.
eeleye - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 02:09 PM EST (#142379) #
Also, we'll see how a World Series victory does for keeping Wells.
VBF - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 02:37 PM EST (#142380) #
"It's just a matter of time when that will happen."

Wonderful.

JB21 - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 04:59 PM EST (#142385) #
Courtesy of BlueJays.com...I like, I like.

"Blue Jays on the mound: Halladay looked ready for Opening Day in his third start of the spring. He scattered two hits over four scoreless innings with a walk and six strikeouts. He retired nine of the final 10 batters he faced, five of them by strikeout."
Keith Talent - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 05:01 PM EST (#142386) #
Why is there no WBC on TV?
TJ Caino - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 07:22 PM EST (#142400) #
"Blue Jays on the mound: Halladay looked ready for Opening Day in his third start of the spring. He scattered two hits over four scoreless innings with a walk and six strikeouts. He retired nine of the final 10 batters he faced, five of them by strikeout."

This guy is unbelievable.
6-4-3 - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 07:43 PM EST (#142401) #
I'm tempted to suggest that in the wake of the VW story, we should go back to calling Esteban "E------ L-----" but I don't think the story was that bad.

The full article is here: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/baseball/14081280.htm

Young claims that his desire to play with Wells will be one factor when he becomes a free agent, but so will winning and his family.

Wells claims that he will play with Young someday, but when asked if it'd happen in Texas, he shrugged and said "maybe".

I don't think there's much in the story. Sure, they're giving each other come hither looks from across the AL, but Wells is going to be pursued hard regardless of this. At the end of the day, he'll go to the team with the best combination of winning, money, and situation.
Dr. Zarco - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 09:12 PM EST (#142406) #
Addressing two topics above, the WBC game between the US/Japan was terrific this afternoon. A very controversial tag-up sac fly in the 8th went the US's way to preserve the tie and ARod was clutch for perhaps the 2nd time in his career with the game-winner.

Vernon Wells and Michael Young were hitting 8th and 1st respectively, and after Wells led off the bottom of the 9th with a base knock and Winn reached on a bunt, Young tried to bunt Wells over to 3rd, but bunted back to the pitcher and Wells was forced at 3rd. I sure hope these two friends have a chance to hit in the middle of a Jays lineup someday.
eeleye - Sunday, March 12 2006 @ 10:23 PM EST (#142408) #
It's more likely Vernon goes to Texas though because he's also from Texas, and Young will be there.....
unclejim - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 12:27 AM EST (#142421) #
Just back from watching the USA Japan game... My first proper basebll game in over 4 years... makes me a happy camper.

Anyways, in case anyone was wondering, Vernon had a storming game... 3 for 4 at the plate and looking very assured, and not a foot wrong in RF which must be a strange position for him to play. Seemed to get a lot of good vibes from the fans too, at least from where I was sitting.

As for the game, terrific to watch. Everything you could want, some great defense from the Japanese, controversy with the failure to tag in the 8th, good pitching (and bad)several bases loaded 2 out situations, and finally a seeing eye single to wrap it up bottom of the 9th.

It may not be the new season, and I know all us Jay's fans are impatiently awaiting that to start, but in the meantime make the most of the only competitive baseball on offer, and lets all hope for a USA v Cuba final :)
timpinder - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 02:22 AM EST (#142426) #
I'm not surprised by Wells' comments and I've always assumed he'd move on after 2007, probably to Texas because that's where he's from. It's unlikely the Jays would be able to afford Wells anyway, especially if Halladay's contract is extended. That's the main reason why I've always advocated keeping Rios, so that the Jays have a capable CF option in 2008.
TJ Caino - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 04:32 AM EST (#142428) #
Games broadcasted this week:

Thursday 7:00 - Blue Jays @ Philadelphia Phillies

Saturday 12:30 - Jays @ Reds

Sunday 12:30 - Jays @ Tigers
JB21 - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 05:16 PM EST (#142461) #
I'm assuming you mean radio, correct?
TJ Caino - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 06:05 PM EST (#142464) #
Ya man.
Michael - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 06:56 PM EST (#142469) #
A friendly reminder that (with the possible exception of answering can an unhealthy player function in a game situation) spring training means very, very little. Just because Molina is struggling and Hinske is a beast this spring doesn't mean that will be what happens in the real season.

Small sample size combined with unequal talent/scrubs.

And it is good to have a thread about the Jays after so long.

I think BP is right to harp on the big bad decisions the Jays have made as I think the Jays have done a ton of shuffling of players to make themselves slightly better, but not playoff better. Hopefully some combination of me being wrong, the Jays overacheiving, and New York/Boston underacheiving will lead to a Jays playoffs.
TJ Caino - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 08:18 PM EST (#142476) #
""David Bush yielded one run and two hits in four innings and struck out four Monday as the Brewers beat the Padres 9-5.
With Rick Helling still nursing a sore elbow, Bush could be close to guaranteeing himself a rotation spot. He's allowed one run and posted a 7/1 K/BB ratio in nine innings.""

From Rotoworld.
vw_fan17 - Monday, March 13 2006 @ 09:09 PM EST (#142478) #
Jumping in a little late here..

I've given up on usenet for Jays news.. John Northey pointed me here a while back, and it took a bit to grow on me..

I tend to mostly enjoy the "what's up with the Jays" threads.. I APPRECIATE the quality of the articles here, but, don't often have time to read about the 1920s.

I was a huge Jays fan in the 80s (used to listen on my mono-radio, 1-ear headphone late at night when I was supposed to be sleeping!), followed a lot until about '93, trailed off for a few years, and got back into things again maybe 4-5 years ago.. Am seriously considering getting MLB TV again (had it for a couple of months last year).

I miss general chatter on usenet - which was good 3-4 years ago. I spent 10 minutes on Saturday looking for a "start a new thread" feature because I wanted to hear SOMETHING, ANYTHING about the Jays.

I hope no one takes offense, but I don't get that excited by "let's make a team from players who have oak trees in their backyard" threads, although I read most of them for fun. I skip the previews of most teams that are not named Toronto, Oakland or San Francisco (I now live in California, after growing up in Kitchener-Waterloo).

I was actually getting close to the "why bother checking battersbox" point.. Nothing new about the Jays for a week, and I was having to get my fix from the Leafs and Sharks newsgroups..

So, anyway.. My rambling is to say: I like having a general "what's up with the Jays" thread. Even if there's not much news. If you aren't into that, I can totally respect that, and I'll probably still drop by once in a while - but not everyday as I did during Jan and Feb..

Mattias
Geoff - Tuesday, March 14 2006 @ 12:08 AM EST (#142485) #
Crikey! The U.S. team is being whooped by Korea.

The current score is 6-1 with Korea batting in the bottom of the 5th.

Griffey is 2-3 with a HR. Leadoff hitter Vernon Wells is 0-2 with a walk.

These guys aren't dominating anybody outside of South Africa. Teixeira and Willis have been awful.

Adrock - Tuesday, March 14 2006 @ 11:22 AM EST (#142489) #
Has there ever been an article on this site along the lines of "A Baseball Watcher's Guide to Skydome"? I am thinking of a comparison of the different sections and levels (home plate vs. 1st base line vs. 3rd base line, etc.) as well as an overview of the (decidedly mediocre) food and drink options.

I don't know that the article itself would have to be very long, but I think it might encourage a good discussion, and different folks with different seats could provide interesting insights and comments.

Most of my seats in the last couple of years have been either behind home plate or in the $9.00 100 level seats, so I don't have a fresh recollection of all the different sightlines, but if this hasn't been done a Pinch Hit might be in order (although I might want to hit a game at the Dome to refresh my memory before starting off).
Named For Hank - Tuesday, March 14 2006 @ 01:55 PM EST (#142496) #
Adrock, we'd love to read it if you'd like to write it. Send it to me when you're done (or if you're part-way there and want some feedback).
Jim - Tuesday, March 14 2006 @ 02:32 PM EST (#142499) #
I've seen the Jays 5 out of the last 6 days. I didn't make the trip to Sarasota. If anyone has any questions, I can try and answer them. I will probably put together a post with some thoughts, but there really isn't anything too pressing to discuss...
Brent S - Tuesday, March 14 2006 @ 04:41 PM EST (#142510) #
Some good news in Toronto:

Jamie Vermilyea has been returned to Toronto. Out of all the Rule 5 picks, I was going to miss him the most. No longer.

Matthew E - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 12:49 AM EST (#142564) #
That's a neat idea, adrock, and I think there could be a lot of material for it. I hope you write it.
Mylegacy - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 11:30 AM EST (#142579) #
Jim, a question...

Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports says that scouts are "snickering" about the Jays defense. He says, the scouts say, that Glaus should be the DH, Overbay is OK, Hill should be at third and Adams at second. Any observations on our defense from the games you've seen??

Thanks in advance...
Mylegacy - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 11:32 AM EST (#142582) #
Jim, a follow up question... Santos and Roberts...can they pick it?
VBF - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 11:42 AM EST (#142583) #
He says, the scouts say, that Glaus should be the DH, Overbay is OK, Hill should be at third and Adams at second. Any observations on our defense from the games you've seen

Uhhh, Ken? Who's going to play shortstop?

Jim - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 12:47 PM EST (#142587) #
If I were going to snicker about anything, it would be Adams at short and Hill at second. There are plenty of reasonable people here who donít seem to understand it either.

I thought that Hill looked decent at second, he showed some range on a play on Sunday in Lakeland.

I sat down the third base line a couple of days and watched Glaus. He didnít look great at third. On Monday he didnít show a great reaction or range on a ball down the line.

Hillenbrand looked really bad receiving a throw from Glaus one dayÖ off the top of my head I donít remember anything interesting that happened with Overbay at first.

Santos played short one day and I didnít end up with much of an impression, positive or negative. Iíve been down on Robertsí glove for a while. He did seem to hit like crazy though, but youíd have to accept some pretty below average defense at second for his bat. I still canít see him being a huge upgrade over someone like Menechino.

Rosenthal and VBF are both right I think. Hill should play third and Adams should play second. You give up a lot of runs with no shortstop though. Santos certainly doesnít look to be a short-term solution and there isnít anyone else in the system. I sometimes wish they had drafted Tulo last year, if he moves fast he could have been the guy.

So to actually make a pointÖ if I were Gibbons Iíd probably go with what heís been using, assuming that Adams at SS and Hill at 2b is a decision being made above him.
Mylegacy - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 01:29 PM EST (#142590) #
Many thanks Jim... another question...

Since Wells, Cat, Rios and Johnson (injury) haven't been available to play OF how have Negron, John-Ford, Cosby, Hinske etal been doing offensively and defensively?

Again, thanks in advance.
Jim - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 04:59 PM EST (#142600) #
Funny, I was just thinking about Cosby today and how maybe he could help a little bit at some point in Toronto. Heís sort of like Roberts in that he doesnít blow you away at the plate, but it seems like he is producing.

Negron is a decent center fielder, Iíve seen him probably half a dozen times in AA as well and he can handle the position. Doubt heíll ever hit enough to be a factor. Hinske didnít embarrass himself in right, Iím all for his contributing from there, I donít think it will be a disaster. Hinske did hit a pretty long home run one day. I saw a lot of Griffin at-batsÖ canít say I noticed him in the field Ė I think he was the DH at least 2 of the days. Griffin could probably end up hitting a few hundred home runs at AAA.

I can tell you who didnít hit. Lyle Overbay.
TJ Caino - Wednesday, March 15 2006 @ 05:17 PM EST (#142601) #
Overbay's line (.143/.182/.143) is probably as reflective of how he will do this year as Hinske's (.381/.500/.905).
VBF - Thursday, March 16 2006 @ 10:54 AM EST (#142627) #
Scout.com reports that the Blue Jays have called a press conference for 1pm, EST. I wonder what it could be.
eeleye - Thursday, March 16 2006 @ 11:39 AM EST (#142635) #
VBF, is there anyway we can see this press conference?
Geoff - Thursday, March 16 2006 @ 11:39 AM EST (#142636) #
Maybe Roy's signed on for a 4-year extension?
VBF - Thursday, March 16 2006 @ 11:50 AM EST (#142637) #
That's what I'm thinking.

VBF - Thursday, March 16 2006 @ 11:54 AM EST (#142638) #
Apparantly the FAN 590 thinks it's a Halladay extension too.
VBF - Thursday, March 16 2006 @ 12:19 PM EST (#142643) #
Sportsnet seems committed to showing NCAA basketball, FAN590 might carry it since there's nothing going on there. Other than that, I imagine one could watch it on bluejays.com.

What a way to cap off the offseason of dreams. 1991, my ass :)
Geoff - Thursday, March 16 2006 @ 12:27 PM EST (#142645) #
Just so long as the PC is not about something stupid like ticket prices, budget increases, or trading Eric Hinske for Eric Milton.

You'd think that if it was a trade, news would break about it already. So it must be something internal. No bigger internal news than a resigning, and who better to resign than Roy? Now it would be a let-down for the news to be anything but.
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