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The road trip continues. 

The Blue Jays continue their quest to get above .500 on the road with four games in Baltimore. After the Monday opener, the two teams play a double-header on Tuesday and an afternoon game on Wednesday. The app on my phone says the temperature will be 34 and 35 degrees all three days. 

Alejandro Kirk is out of the lineup for the Blue Jays, while Adley Rutchsmann is expected to return to action for the Orioles after a brief rehab stint for an oblique strain. Noted Blue Jays killer Ryan Mountcastle is currently on a rehab stint of his own, but he's not eligible to return from the 60 Day IL until Wednesday. Closer Felix Bautista is out with shoulder discomfort - the Orioles, of course, have already traded away relievers Bryan Baker and Gregory Soto and are supposedly listening to offers on Seranthony Dominguez. Hey, Zack Britton is rested and ready, still waiting for the phone to ring.

What went wrong with the 2025 Orioles? After winning 91 games in 2024 (and 101 the year before that), how are they on the wrong side of .500, stuck in the AL East basement? The quick and easy answer is it's all because they went cheap this past off-season, shopping in the bargain bins for starting pitchers. And when you shop in the cheap aisle, you sometimes learn the hard way why certain items come cheap. And it's true that the Orioles just give up too many runs - only the Homeless Athletics have allowed more. But this was never really the team's strength anyway, and they have in fact lost almost as much on the offensive side of the ball. Their Runs Allowed has scored from a quite average 4.31 per game to this season's ugly 5.05 per game; their Runs Scored has fallen from a very good 4.85 per game (second best in the league) to a somewhat below average level of 4.23 per game. It's been a team effort.

Anthony Santander was the second best hitter in the Oriole lineup a year ago, and he's not helping anyone very much in 2025. But losing him hasn't really been the problem. Ramon Laureano has done a very fine job replacing Santander at the plate and in right field. But Mountcastle, formerly a league average hitter against the average league team (and Babe Bloody Ruth himself against the Blue Jays) has been almost unplayable. Gunnar Henderson has been very good, but a year ago he was the kind of guy who gets plenty of MVP votes. And while no one says that the injury is the reason, it's nonetheless pretty clear that Adley Rutschmann simply hasn't been the same hitter since 27 June 2024. That's when he took a foul ball off his right hand. He missed one game. He then hit .189/.279/.280 with just 4 HRs over the Orioles final 81 games, and he hasn't been a whole lot better this season. The power is gone. The one thing he still does well is take a walk. 

So it's not all on the pitching.

Matchups!

Mon 28 July - Bassitt (11-4, 3.88) vs Eflin (6-5, 5.78)
Tue 29 July - Lauer (6-2, 2.61) vs Morton (6-8, 5.48)
Tue 29 July - S. Guy (?-?, ?.??) vs A. Guy (?-?, ?.??)
Wed 30 July - Berrios (7-4, 3.83) vs Kremer (8-7, 4.23)
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John Northey - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#464574) #
Take a reliever off the list - Cleveland has lost Clase to gambling.
John Northey - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#464577) #
Just trying to think of deals where the Jays eat cash like few teams can this year.

For gutsy could take the injured Burnes (out for 2025) from Arizona with Suarez - solidify the rotation in 26 possibly while getting a killer rental bat for '25. Risk is Burnes doesn't recover and $33 mil a year for 2026-2030 is gone. Jordan Montgomery is also out for 2025 (owed $22.5 mil this year) so he could be some weight on a deal instead. Eduardo Rodríguez is a LHP (starter) who has a 78 ERA+ this year and is owed $46 mil the next 2 years (inc buyout for '28) but was damn good for Detroit in '23. Maybe a move to the pen and long relief for '25 could make him useful here, again mostly a 'we eat that salary to reduce the cost for your star' deal.

The Pirates only underwater deal is Bryan Reynolds ($13.3 per year lux tax purposes 2026-2030) who has negative WAR this year in RF. Unless they are willing to deal Skenes no thanks.

Rockies have the ugly Kris Bryant deal ($27 mil a year 26-28) but I'd only eat that for Hunter Goodman (C/RF/1B with a 122 OPS+ this year at age 25 while Bryant has a 9 OPS+ and has been hurt since early April) - their pen has a few nice guys, but nothing 'wow'.

Marlins only deal after 2025 is Sandy Alcantara. So no eating cash options there.

Maybe I'm missing someone who has a solid player the Jays could use who also has a deadweight contract the Jays could eat.
Cracka - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#464579) #
Steven Matz? He's in the final season of a $12.5M deal and might be having his best season. He's settled into a multi-inning middle-relief lower-leverage role. He's a little upgrade on Fluharty/Bruihl at a big price, but probably not a difference maker in the playoffs. Obviously known to the team and Pete Walker...

Danny Jansen? I think they'll have a good idea by Thursday about whether Kirk is ready to return sooner rather than later, so maybe this is a moot point, but I think Jano would be a very welcome addition to the clubhouse.

Raisel Iglesias? Final year of a $16M deal. Having a Jeff Hoffman-like year with strings of good outings, with some spectacular blowups mixed in. 235 career saves, but big risk.
Glevin - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#464580) #
Sonny Gray is owed $40M for bext season and buyout. That's probably negative value. Gray and Helsey package?
SK in NJ - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#464583) #
Rojas being promoted to AAA. I wonder if he’s going to be considered as a pen option later in the season.
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#464585) #
Dan S on Fangraphs has proposed a few deadline trades, including this one (indent/italics omitted):

The Toronto Blue Jays acquire P Edward Cabrera from the Miami Marlins for OF Alan Roden, 3B Orelvis Martinez, and OF Yohendrick Pinango

People mostly talk about Sandy Alcantara, but Edward Cabrera has quietly been Miami’s best starter this season. He has stayed healthy and has cut back on the walks, and both of his breaking pitches and his changeup are viable strike three offerings, set up with a fastball that still comfortably hits 97. There’s risk with Cabrera, certainly, but I think the Jays should be firmly in win-now mode. For their part, the Marlins are in sore need of anyone who can offer even a remote chance of providing their punchless lineup with something worthwhile in the future. I think Kyle Stowers is for real, but he needs some sidekicks. Alan Roden can hit, but it’s hard for Toronto to give him too much rope given the pennant race, and Orelvis Martinez’s poor 2025 is practically screaming “change of scenery candidate.” You might see including Yohendrick Pinango as gilding the lily, but given that the Jays get to keep Cabrera well past this season, I think it’s fair to add him to the trade.
Marc Hulet - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#464586) #
Toronto would do that Cabrera package any day of the week but I doubt the Marlins would. A 25-year-old outfielder who has yet to establish himself, a former top prospect that now can't hit or field, and a guy who's a milb free agent at the end of the year that can't play defense. Lol
dalimon5 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#464588) #
Chriss Paddock (MIN) for Enrique Jimenez (DET)
dalimon5 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#464589) #
*Paddack
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#464590) #
My preferred SPs to acquire would be Ryan, Keller, Kelly, Gray, and Cabrera (in roughly that order). I’m not on the Alcantara and Gallen reclamation train.

My preferred RPs would be Duran, Jax, Bednar, Smith (in roughly that order).
Marc Hulet - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#464591) #
Dobnak is also going to Detroit as a small salary dump.
85bluejay - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#464592) #
I expect the Jays to acquire at least one Cardinals BP arm and maybe something from Cleveland if the Clase problem turns them into sellers.
85bluejay - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#464593) #
I agree with Marc, Jays would jump on that trade proposal like yesterday.
Gerry - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:21 PM EDT (#464594) #
Lazaro Estrada, Easton Lucas and Paxton Schultz are all in Baltimore for either 26th man or fresh arm requirements.

I guess thats why Rojas is up to AAA, they need replacements for these guys.
electric carrot - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#464595) #
I said yes to that trade before I knew who Edward Cabrera was.
dalimon5 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#464596) #
Orioles have said that Felix Bautista will "be out for awhile." MRI results were inconclusive because of too much swelling in his shoulder. They will do another MRI on him in a few weeks.
92-93 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#464597) #
The Orioles are 28-22 in their last 50 with a +9 run differential (much to the happiness of their cheerleaders in here) and should not be taken lightly.

Always nice to start a series with your top arms well-rested. Little and Rodriguez haven't pitched since Friday, and Hoffman since Tuesday. Fluharty has thrown 13 pitches since Tuesday, and with 5 lefties in tonight's lineup he should play a role as well.

Jays-killer Tyler O'Neill is red-hot and has homered in 3 straight games. I picked him up in fantasy to help our cause.

Less than two hours to first pitch and the Jays still don't have a lineup posted. They are typically one of the last teams to so, but this late is unusual even for them.
scottt - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#464598) #
27th man?
JB21 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#464599) #
I said yes to that trade before I knew who Edward Cabrera was.

LOL
85bluejay - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#464600) #
Jays after that tremendous 4 game sweep of the Yankees followed up by going only 3-3 against weaklings White Sox/A's and now coming off an 8-2 run against contenders, there's the potential letdown series.
JohnL - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#464601) #
@JohnNorthey: "Cleveland has lost Clase to gambling" is a bit of a jump. There has been no finding at this point that Clase has been involved in gambling, and he's still with the organization. Safe to assume the Guardians have lost him as a potential trade figure for this year.

From Sportsnet: "Clase has been placed on non-disciplinary paid leave as part of MLB's sports betting investigation into the Cleveland Guardians."
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#464602) #
the Jays still don't have a lineup posted

The calm before the “bash Clement” storm.
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#464603) #
BNS 4:55pm X

“Alejandro Kirk doing better per John Schneider

Daulton Varsho likely to join Blue Jays on the weekend after continued rehab at AAA this week”
dalimon5 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#464604) #
Other updates:

Manoah did 45 pitches in 3 innings of his fake game. His next stop will be a "Real game."

Gimenez is on the mend as well.
hypobole - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 06:26 PM EDT (#464605) #
Rays selloff starts. Danny Jansen to the Brewers.
scottt - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 06:28 PM EDT (#464606) #
Probably a lateral move.
hypobole - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#464607) #
And now the Rays are talking to Miami about Fortes to replace Danny, the guy Marc has been pounding the table for.
dalimon5 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#464608) #
I wouldn't say he's been pounding the table...just remarked twice that this player looked like a nice candidate to trade for off the radar.
scottt - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#464609) #
It's mostly about payroll control.
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#464610) #
Let’s hope Kirk is OK, because Fortes might have been a nice insurance move if Kirk is out for a while.
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#464611) #
Bassitt does not enjoy pitching in Baltimore.
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#464612) #
Nice bounceback inning by the Blue Jays hitters!
Glevin - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#464613) #
Vlad and Bo getting hot at right time.
Eephus - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 07:40 PM EDT (#464614) #
Bassitt really, really does not enjoy Baltimore.
Gerry - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#464615) #
Trade deadline thread is up.
Eephus - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 08:26 PM EDT (#464616) #
This is all my fault, folks. Yesterday and today are the only games I’ve been able to watch since the all-star break.

Back to work tomorrow. I’ll avert my eyes from both games.
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#464617) #
I think there must be a graphics error on the Sportsnet broadcast. I checked the score just a couple of minutes ago and it was 6-4, but the broadcast now says 9-4. I guess they put the 6 upside down by mistake.
knuckeler - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#464618) #
"Vlad and Bo getting hot at right time."

Yeah they have both stepped up their game, which is great to see.

Bo is getting some breaks now while earlier he was being robbed

Certainly noticed both Bo and Vladdy are getting under the ball more particularly Vladdy is not pounding it into the dirt
Magpie - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#464620) #
Maybe I shouldn't have disrespected Adley Rutschmann?
scottt - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#464621) #
Not how to prepare for a doubleheader.
lexomatic - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#464622) #
Whats tje worst gsme of tje year? This feels like couls be most runs allowed.
Ugh. Good first bounceback, but nothing working. Agreed, not how to prepare foe a double header.

Bichette may ne heating up, bit prior to his 8/8, (& 11/17) he was 4/24.
Marc Hulet - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#464623) #
Eugenio Suarez leaves the game after being hit on the hand. Jumped and ripped his hand away from the trainer when he touched it... didn't look good.
John Northey - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#464626) #
Geez, terrible job by the ump - wouldn't be shocked if he keeps this up that Heinemann gets kicked out of the game. Ball 4 twice in one AB called strikes, plus another pitch well above the strike zone called a strike. Really pathetic job by the ump to the guy who sits in front of him all game. The robo ump (challenge or full robo) can't come soon enough imo.
Eephus - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#464627) #
Now it’s the worst game of the year.
Cracka - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#464628) #
Just terrible. I hope he's Ok, but he looked awfully shaken up.
Eephus - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#464629) #
Blech. Hope George is okay.
John Northey - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#464630) #
The fact he looked up and said 'wow' is a good sign, as is him walking off the field (with help). Poor Springer - having a great year and this happens. I suspect he gets at least game 1 off tomorrow. Thankfully it hit his shoulder first then the helmet and not his face. Could've been a lot worse.

Bo is nuts right now - after tonight 295/334/460, from 281/322/448 2 days ago (added 014/012/012 to his stats over that 9/10 streak). He was 3 hits behind Judge for the ML lead in hits before tonight, now ahead by 1 and with Judge on the IL.
Chuck - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#464631) #
Maybe I shouldn't have disrespected Adley Rutschmann?

I believe you disparaged Raleigh early in the season calling him lousy or something. You seem to have a very specific super power.

John Northey - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#464632) #
Guess one way of looking at it is we might get Varsho back just in time to cover for Springer (expected back on the weekend I read somewhere).

As to reliever Clase and his suspension - MLB wouldn't lock him out for a month during a playoff push for his team unless they were pretty sure there was something significant there. I suspect it is time for him to appeal and present evidence to avoid a lifetime suspension.
greenfrog - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#464633) #
Guessing concussion IL for Springer.
Gerry - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#464636) #
RIP Ryne Sandberg...shocker.

These deaths are getting too close to my memories, its scary.
dalimon5 - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 10:05 PM EDT (#464637) #
If you watch the Guaradians there has been a lot of talk about how Clase all of sudden couldn't throw a strike first pitch every time he came out to save. It would be a ball by about 3 or 4 feet.
John Northey - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#464641) #
There is the easy way to do betting without making a massive impact on a game - bet on if you will throw a strike on the first pitch to the first batter. He could do it for himself, or for gamblers who have power over him (debts, who knows what).
scottt - Monday, July 28 2025 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#464646) #
Janssen is from Wisconsin. His family was housing Adam Jones when he played for the Timber Rattler.
hypobole - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#464647) #
That's exactly what Ortiz is supposed to have done I believe.
hypobole - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 12:50 AM EDT (#464649) #
Mariners win, but Yankees, Red Sox, (Jordan Hicks blowing the save on a 2 run walk-off) and Rangers all lose.
uglyone - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 02:44 AM EDT (#464650) #
Bo's Babip is up to .327 now, finally seeming to be correcting back towards his usual .350ish level. He's at 120wrc+ now so just a bit more babip correction should have him back near his career highs as a hitter.
uglyone - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 02:48 AM EDT (#464651) #
Vladdy's 143wrc+ tied for 14th in MLB now. And he's still posting the worst power numbers of his career. Just a moderate power surge should have him comfortably back in the top 10 hitters in baseball.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#464663) #
Bichette, career: .291/.332/.465
Bichette, 2025: .295/.334/.460

Baseball is an amazing sport.
Cracka - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#464666) #
That's impressive about Bo. Springer is not in the lineup today, but "is feeling better and he’s here with the team" (Keegan Matheson). I guess that means he has avoided a trip to the IL, which is very good news. Not yet sure about the roster moves for today, but I see that Easton Lucas is scheduled for Game 1 against Charlie Morton. My guess would be something like: Bruihl optioned, Lucas recalled for Game 1; Lucas optioned, Estrada recalled for Game 2; and Paxton Schultz added as the 27th man (or vice-versa).
scottt - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 11:12 AM EDT (#464667) #
I like starting 2 lefties in a doubleheader.
Gerry - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#464668) #
Bruihl optioned, Easton Lucas recalled and will start game one.

Lazaro Estrada is the 27th man, not sure if its for both games or just game two.

Springer is feeling better per reports but as mentioned not in the game one lineup.
Gerry - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#464669) #
I just see that Estrada is on the roster for both games. Lucas is not fully built up so we could see a tandem starter situation.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#464671) #
The 27th man is on the roster for both games (and can't be removed), so Lucas will switch with Schultz for Game 2.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 12:54 PM EDT (#464677) #
I much prefer the Staff Ace version of Lucas from earlier in the year, to the current version.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#464681) #
Lucas' stuff actually looks pretty good, but a big mental error from Clement and then our hitters taking 8 pitches in the top of the 2nd aint exactly helping.
Eephus - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#464683) #
Stuff is all well and good but it doesn’t matter if Lucas is throwing 90 or 120 if he ain’t throwing strikes.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#464684) #
Mental mistake after mental mistake. Both Lukes and Schneider should be throwing to 3rd there.
Eephus - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#464685) #
Lucas obviously isn’t pitching well whatsoever (and I agree Lukes not throwing to third there may have cost the Jays a run), but I will also note how weird it is that the Orioles have scored all four runs so far on sac flies.

This game is making it all the more obvious I can’t watch the Jays right now, for the good of the team. Sorry everyone! I couldn’t resist! They’ve been so good when I’m working and can’t watch… I thought maybe today would finally break the spell?

I am working tonight so naturally the nightcap will be the one they win by a dozen or two.
Cracka - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#464686) #
If you're into weird records, I believe Easton Lucas just tied one by allowing four sac flies in one game. No team has ever hit more than 5 in one game...
Glevin - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 01:48 PM EDT (#464687) #
Really hard to be competitive with Santander, Varsho, Kirk, Springer, and Gimenez all out. Jays have depth to handle a couple of injuries but five regulars is a lot.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#464688) #
And one swing gets them right back into it. The importance of power.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#464690) #
Estrada has been great. Maybe he should just….stay?
scottt - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#464694) #
Then again.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#464695) #
I spoke too soon
christaylor - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#464696) #
I'm glad they built a cushion in the standings. I hope the team doesn't follow the psychology of the 2014 team and go into letdown mode if they don't add substantially at the deadline.
Glevin - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#464697) #
Don't know how they can keep trotting Green out there.
blu-j - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#464698) #
Today his appearance is sacrificial, right?
Eephus - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#464699) #
Leo Jimenez better start working on that changeup grip…
greenfrog - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#464700) #
He’s eating innings in a blowout loss before he gets released later this week.
Jevant - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#464701) #
I would assume all 3 of the arms that have appeared in this game are either DFA'd or sent down before Game 2 starts.

Outside of Vladdy and Bo, 5 of the top 7 bats they would have expected to have in the lineup are on the IL (or out of the lineup today) from the beginning of the year. Here's hoping Springer and Kirk are back soon.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:31 PM EDT (#464702) #
Eephus pitchin.
JB21 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#464703) #
Really hard to be competitive with Santander, Varsho, Kirk, Springer, and Gimenez all out. Jays have depth to handle a couple of injuries but five regulars is a lot.

True, but hitting hasn't really been the problem lately.
Magpie - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#464704) #
Eephus pitchin.

Our Eephus throws harder than that!
hypobole - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#464705) #
Lot of regulars missing true, but Loperfido now at 184 wRC+, Schneider 123. Wagner up to 91, but was at 49 before his recall a month ago.

John Northey - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#464722) #
Not bad, using just 3 real pitchers plus Sanchez in a game where they gave up 16 runs. Gotta think Green and Lucas are DFA candidates with Estrada likely going back to AAA. New guy Seranthony Dominguez taking one slot, and returning from the IL Paxton Schultz taking the other. Hopefully Lauer makes it secondary (8 IP last time out, if he does that tonight the manager might just ask for his hand in marriage).
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#464726) #
Poor Jimenez, guy can’t even get into the lineup in a doubleheader. It shows you what the manager thinks of Schneider’s bat these days that he’s now willing to play him at 2B to try and get some offense in there.

31 players across MLB have received 120 PA since June 25th, and only 2 have less WAR than Clement's 0.0 - JP Crawford and Heliot Ramos.

Do your thing, Ernie!
Glevin - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#464727) #
Green DFA. Inevitable.
John Northey - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 05:51 PM EDT (#464732) #
Yep, Green DFA, Lucas back to AAA to make room for Dominguez and Schultz.

Given Jiménez has an OPS+ of -14 (071/133/179) I suspect he is damn close to being DFA as well.
Kelekin - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#464737) #
I'd be pretty disappointed in a Jimenez DFA.
John Northey - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#464739) #
It'd be sad, but given how he is hitting worse than a poor hitting pitcher right now I don't see it as likely to be a significant loss if he ends up DFA'd, but that won't happen unless a 40 man slot is needed and/or a new hitter is acquired.
uglyone - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#464740) #
Since their last callups:

Loperfido 48pa .419babip 154wrc+
Schneider 88pa .267babip 138wrc+
Wagner 54pa .368babip 128wrc+
Kelekin - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 06:30 PM EDT (#464741) #
John - the only issue with the "how he's hitting" statement is he has 31 PAs on the season. It's a bit SSS.
John Northey - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#464745) #
Kelekin - I thought he also sucked in AAA, pretty much, 271/417/333 good OBP, zero power (60 PA). Lifetime in the minors just 272/392/387 - very reliant on a good BABIP and walks, which would be OK if he was as good at fielding as Clement but he isn't.
greenfrog - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#464748) #
Why was Lauer pulled after 77 pitches?
greenfrog - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#464749) #
Welcome to the team, Seranthony! One inning, no hits, one HBP, two strikeouts. Solid.
greenfrog - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#464750) #
Unconfirmed reports Duran (RP) has been traded to the Phillies.
scottt - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#464753) #
The run differential has taken another hit.
soupman - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#464754) #
Andy looks good. Hit the first batter of the game but has been good since.
soupman - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#464755) #
Sandy*
Also meant to post in the deadline thread.
Nigel - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#464756) #
Sac Bunting after a Hit Batter and 6 straight balls?
Glevin - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#464757) #
Ugly game. Should have won it. Bo has been hot but one of the worst swings I've ever seen.
greenfrog - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#464758) #
Lukes not really legit in two critical situations — the non-catch B8 and the strikeout T9 with runners on second and third and one out.

Go get Kwan, please.

Bo’s PA in the ninth was horrible, too.
greenfrog - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#464759) #
Nigel, I hear you. Straw had two runners on, a 2-0 count, and a struggling pitcher on the mound. I thought the manager let the O’s off the hook with that bunt call. Not to mention that bunts have generally not worked out well for Schneider and the Blue Jays.
92-93 - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#464760) #
Another awful bunt after bunting down THREE runs yesterday. Playing for one run on the road when your entire bullpen is shot is horrific strategy.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#464761) #
Absolutely egregious bunt call there against a reliever who had thrown 10 pitches with 9 of them being balls. When you're up 2-0 in the count against a pitcher who can't find the strike zone, then maybe you adjust your plan a bit? A minor league mentality with the bunting obsession, but considering Montoyo did it just as much (if not more), it's likely an organizational thing.

This lineup is not going to win many games without Kirk and Springer. It was bad enough without Varsho, Santander, and Gimenez, but now they are running out a Buffalo Bisons lineup every night.
soupman - Tuesday, July 29 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#464763) #
Straw usually outruns a tailor-made DP ball(as he did earlier in the game). I’m guessing that was the reasoning.

Lots of guys had a bad day all around and lots of little flubs the last two days. The heat seems to be bugging them…? Whatever the case, I didn’t think having straw bunt was as egregious as the consensus seems to.
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 07:19 AM EDT (#464774) #
Straw is a fine 5th OF if he's getting 150 PAs a year but he's terrible if he's playing regularly and he's already at 211 PAs. Really think Jays should be upgrading there. Badar makes most sense. Other than that, unless Jays can get star player, upgrades in the field will be hard.
hypobole - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 09:17 AM EDT (#464781) #
Straw has played so often because of Varsho, or to be more precise, lack of Varsho. He has played 54 innings at the other 2 outfield spots, but Loperfido and Schneider's emergence has pretty well removed that.



Mike Green - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#464794) #
I thought the bunt call for Straw was defensible.

The crucial pitch was the 2-2 to Lukes. A curveball up and in from a RHP to a LHB. You don't see that pich in that location often and there is little room for error. It was well-executed and the element of surprise was probably at play in Lukes' failure to swing.
Petey Baseball - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 12:15 PM EDT (#464796) #
I disagree with the Straw sentiment. I think his outfield defence (regardless of position) and baserunning should supercede any marginal upgrade. Should Varsho go down again, or the Jays be stuck with a less than ideal outfield situation or a need a key base stolen (think Pompey back in 2015) then Straw certainly has value.
greenfrog - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#464799) #
I thought the key pitch to Lukes in the ninth was the 2-1 pitch. It was a hittable FB in the top half of the strike zone. They say a batter gets at least one hittable pitch in every PA. That was the pitch, and Lukes missed it.
hypobole - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#464801) #
Was going to post that IMO Loperfido > Lukes, even if Schneider doesn't agree. Just got back from my dental appt, and it's Joey, not Nathan leading off. Good move John.
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 01:01 PM EDT (#464802) #
Loperfido is hot but Lukes should be playing too. Clement and Straw are both useless against RHP and Sanchez can't hit anyone. With so many starters hurt, you can't be sacrificing more offense.
92-93 - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#464803) #
Well done, Glevin.
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#464804) #
Well, Straw hit a HR against RHP just as I predicted.
hypobole - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#464805) #
Straw is the new Clement.
greenfrog - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#464806) #
Two-run home run for Straw. The diss gets the job done, again!
scottt - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#464807) #
I blame Baltimore for not trading more position players.
SK in NJ - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#464808) #
Clement batting 2nd against a RHP is a "I don't care about the splits, I love the player" decision. Hopefully that counts as a criticism so he gets a hit or two in this game.
99BlueJaysWay - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#464816) #
This series has been a very tough watch
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#464817) #
Almost nothing going right for the Jays this series.
greenfrog - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#464818) #
Clement and Straw are 3/6 with two doubles and a home run so far today.
Cracka - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#464819) #
Ali Sanchez has never hit an MLB home run. I feel nauseous.
92-93 - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#464820) #
Clement made an error that led to three runs in the bottom of the 1st and has posted 0 WAR since June 25th. Might be better than the alternatives, though.
greenfrog - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#464821) #
The useless duo are now 4/7 with a single, two doubles, and a home run.
92-93 - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#464822) #
Huge hit from Bichette there. Man did they ever need that.
92-93 - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#464823) #
"What a moment for the Blue Jays, what a moment for Nathan Lukes, what a much needed hit right there!"
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#464829) #
Is little not available? Top of the lineup lots of lefties made sense for him. Rodriguez got unlucky with infield hit and bloop hit and then Clement error. Should have been out of inning.
Four Seamer - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#464830) #
Little came in in the fifth to relieve Berrios, who really needed to do better than allow two jacks in 4 and a third, even if Clement did him dirty with the first of his two errors (so far).
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#464834) #
My bad. Actually was working at that time. Thought they'd save Little for late inning matchups. Really like Dominguez's start with the team. Love seeing someone throwing 98 with movement.
uglyone - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 03:43 PM EDT (#464836) #
Maybe sell high on Barger.
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#464837) #
Barger just aggressively swinging at everything. Needs to get some patience back. Why would you throw him something in the zone?
uglyone - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#464838) #
Can Hoffman actually have a clean clutch save for once? Stay tuned.
uglyone - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#464839) #
Yes he can!
SK in NJ - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#464840) #
Domínguez has looked great so far. Big win here. Heading into the off day and trade deadline feels a lot better with a win. A loss would have been demoralizing.
John Northey - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#464842) #
No question Dominguez looks like just what the doctor ordered for the Jays right now. I'd say pitching-pitching-pitching is what is needed, hitting is a backup position. Can hardly wait for Gimenez and Varsho to return to cut down the juggling non-stop that happens at 2B and the OF right now.

Lukes at 110 wRC+ - very solid part of a platoon/mix-match in the OF, Loperfido has been WOW with his 192 wRC+ so far (58 PA) but I can't help but remember Schneider's debut. Speaking of whom Schneider is at 120 for wRC+ (part time play seems to be working well for him). Straw down to 78 for wRC+ (gained 10 points with his HR/2B/single today). Wagner still solid at 85 wRC+ after that horrid start (48 wRC+ in Mar/Apr).

Getting Kirk-Varsho-Gimenez back will clear out Sanchez-someone-Jimenez. Wagner might be the one lost, purely due to numbers. But I still expect someone of that group to be part of a trade.
uglyone - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#464844) #
Iirc Loperfido had a similar scorching start last year.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#464847) #
Lukes was popping up a ton of pitches coming out of the all-star break. Now has 4 homers in 14 games... maybe made a swing adjustment during the break to get more balls in the air?

Barger just looks exhausted, physically and mentally. He just needs a couple days off. Brutal schedule given to the Jays exacerbated by the doubleheader and heat.
scottt - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 05:19 PM EDT (#464852) #
Jimenez, Orelvis Martinez and Clase are the ones on their last option year.
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#464859) #
Do Jays win game with Green instead of Dominguez in bullpen? I don't think so. Not saying he's going to be a saviour but a very easy upgrade. Just need another reliever at least and guys to get healthy.
Mike Green - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#464861) #
Mason Fluharty continues to impress. His ERA doesn't reflect how well he has pitched. He's one of six relievers the club now has who one can have confidence in. It's the starters that are the club's biggest question marks. It's possible that when the playoffs roll around that the best 4 will be Gausman, Lauer, Scherzer and Bassitt with Berrios in long relief. They definitely need another starter in case of injury.
Mike Green - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#464862) #
Here are the Statcast figures for the pitching staff (prior to today):
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/expected_statistics?type=pitcher&year=2025&position=&team=141&filterType=bip&min=25
Glevin - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#464866) #
Chris Black saying on twitter that Jays defense was tied for last in OAA in baseball in July. I didn't know that but the decline in defense has been noticible. I'm not worried because Gimenez and Varsho combined for three games in the month and they are two of the very best defenders in baseball so I don't expect this issue to last too long.
Mike Green - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#464876) #
Fangraphs has Jay defence at +8 OAA for July. I don’t know where Chris Black got his figures.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=fld&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2025&season1=2025&ind=0&team=0%2Cts&startdate=&enddate=&month=0

The Jay offence was by far the best in baseball in July. Blue Jay pitching was middle of the pack in July.

Varsho and Gimenez will be useful additions when they return, but it's unlikely that they will lead to better performance overall from the position players than we saw in July. More of the same would be very good.
hypobole - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#464887) #
Mike that link gave me the years total.

Here is statcast showing -10 OAA in July.


https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2025&endYear=2025&split=yes&team=141&range=7&min=10&pos=&roles=&viz=hide
John Northey - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#464893) #
Fielding stats generally are seen as needing years to be useful. A single month is very, very variable. Much like taking a game or even a week's games to judge hitters.

Barger in July was -5 OAA, Vlad -3, -2 each for Clement & Wagner. That doesn't pass the smell test for me.
John Northey - Wednesday, July 30 2025 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#464894) #
For the year Clement is +10, Gimenez & Straw +7, Varsho +4. On the bad is Springer -6, Bo & Wagner -4. You can see why I say a single month isn't indicative of talent when Clement is rated the same as Wagner for July.
hypobole - Thursday, July 31 2025 @ 01:22 AM EDT (#464909) #
"Fielding stats generally are seen as needing years to be useful. A single month is very, very variable. Much like taking a game or even a week's games to judge hitters."

Yes and no John. The 3 year saying is it takes 3 years of data before you can judge how good or bad a player is defensively. Although with the increased use of Statcast data, that may or may not still be the case. Yes a single month can be variable. But it doesn't mean it's not accurate for what it's measuring.

You are correct in that a month of Statcast data is similar to judging hitters on a smaller sample. If I say Ernie Clement hit .354/.398/.455 - 139 wRC+ in June and Bo hit .259/.276/.411 - 87 wRC+, what does that tell you? It doesn't tell you Ernie is a better hitter than Bo. But it does tell you Ernie had a really good month, Bo a poor month. You can say that those numbers don't pass the smell test, but look it up, that's what they hit.

Glevin is correct, the Jays have not looked good defensively the past while, certainly not like they looked earlier this year. Some of it was masked by the great hitting, some by pitchers not giving up big hits after miscues and some by other teams like the Yankees being far worse, even when we weren't all that good.

As to your other comment, of course those numbers aren't indicative of talent any more than my Ernie/Bo comparison was. But nobody said it was, that I can see.
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