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Today is the deadline for finalizing the 40 man roster for Rule 5 purposes. The Jays currently have 32 men on their roster, including late-season and post-season additions Russ Adams, Gustavo Chacin and Seong Song. Here is the roster. Who will be added, and how many spots, if any, will be left open on the roster?

In August, we took an early look at possible 40 man roster additions. Since then, there have been deletions from the roster. Possible additions to the roster include: Raul Tablado, John Hattig, Miguel Negron, Vince Perkins, Ismael Ramirez, Ron Davenport, Davis Romero and Robinson Diaz. It looks to me like the first 5 are likely to be there. What does the readership think?

Thanks to Marc for the reminder.
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_Grand Funk Rail - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:07 AM EST (#12631) #
It blows my mind that Lighterfluid is still holding a spot on the 40-man.

Grand Funk out.
_Jordan - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:09 AM EST (#12632) #
I think Davenport will also be protected; much as I like Diaz and really like Romero, I'm afraid they won't. I don't expect Ryan Glynn to be protected, and I wouldn't be shocked if Jason Arnold also was left off. If they need the room, they might also gamble again with Justin Miller.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:27 AM EST (#12633) #
Diaz and Romero are the least likely to be protected simply because they played in low-A ball. Some teams do take the gamble though; Johan Santana and Wil Ledezma jump to mind as pitchers who were grabbed from low A rosters, although I can't think of a hitter who has been though.

Davenport and Negron could be picks (especially by NL teams) based on their defensive abilities, the fact they can play all three outfield spots and can pinch run, etc. They also have upside and age on their side.

Ryan Houston is a power arm that could be attractive to some teams.

Any of the top 5 Mike mentioned above would likely be picked up if left unprotected. Luckily with only 32 player on their roster right now, the Jays have numbers on their side.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:35 AM EST (#12634) #
Ryan Glynn and Kevin Cash are the two players that I would take off the current roster in favor of another prospect.
_R Billie - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:39 AM EST (#12635) #
I'd be a bit nervous about exposing Davis Romero and less nervous about exposing Davenport. Teams seldom take chances on guys who aren't pure tools. On the other hand, teams don't mind taking chances on young pitchers, lefties especially, from the minors because it's so easy to hide them in the bullpen. Romero has some nice upside as a reliever and possibly even a starter if he ever puts on weight.

Whatever happens the Jays will have to make some difficult decisions. I think if Arnold and Miller and Cash were going to be left off they would have been already.
_R Billie - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:40 AM EST (#12636) #
I don't think the Jays can afford to remove Cash with their 2005 catching situation so uncertain. They have no starter and no backup at the major league level right now.
Craig B - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:53 AM EST (#12637) #
It blows my mind that Lighterfluid is still holding a spot on the 40-man.

If you cut him, you gotta pay him to pitch for someone else. I think he'll be one of their better relievers this year if he can pitch.

I think Davenport will also be protected

Is he a sixth-year FA? If not, I'd lean against protect him. Getting him picked is probably $25,000 in the bank... there's not much chance he'll stick a full year in the majors at this point. Next year, sure.

late-season and post-season additions Russ Adams, Gustavo Chacin and Seong Song

I may be totally out to lunch here, but I believe Song can be put off the 40-man if the Jays want to do so. If they lose him in the Rule 5, it's no real harm done. I think I'd cut Song off.

If I had to cut two off, it would Glynn and (sadly) Arnold.
Pistol - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:54 AM EST (#12638) #
It blows my mind that Lighterfluid is still holding a spot on the 40-man.

Can we please stop with the immature names? It's neither clever or funny.

What does the readership think?

It looks like 3-4 spots need to be reserved for free agent signings (or Rule 5). Assuming 4 that'd allow you to protect 4 more.

Tablado and Hattig seem like automatic choices to me. I have a hard time imagining any of the other players being able to stick in the majors after being in no higher than high A, so I can't say I'm too concerned about anyone else being exposed.
_Grand Funk Rail - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:03 AM EST (#12639) #
Can we please stop with the immature names? It's neither clever or funny.

And 'Pistol' is so clever and funny.
Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:11 AM EST (#12640) #
I'd be worried about Negron. With his defensive skills and speed, a team could take him and comfortably use him as a 5th outfielder for a year. It would probably harm his development, but that wouldn't stop most teams from doing it.
Craig B - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:13 AM EST (#12641) #
GFR, what are you talking about? He means the demeaning names for members of the ballclub. He's right - it's played, and it's dumb.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:15 AM EST (#12642) #
I don't think the Jays can afford to remove Cash with their 2005 catching situation so uncertain. They have no starter and no backup at the major league level right now.

In all honesty, I would rather a catcher off the scrap heap than reserve a spot for Cash on the roster.
_Daryn - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:20 AM EST (#12643) #
Is there such a thing as an "active roster" at this point in time?

or is it in abeyance till opening day?
Pistol - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:20 AM EST (#12644) #
GFR - I was refering to 'Lighterfluid', not your handle.

And it's not just you. BBBastita and Dinkske are a couple of others I've seen used and would hope that people stop using.
_Daryn - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:23 AM EST (#12645) #
Question 2
Can someone explain the risk of not protecting?? or point to a link for me?? I vaguely understand the Rule 5 Waiver, but it only applies to those that have been signed for a certain amount of time..

Is there another place a player could be lost??
_Ducey - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:27 AM EST (#12646) #
I would dump Glynn and Song if I needed room. Song has been brutal in the AFL and I doubt anyone would waste a spot on him so soon after he went on waivers.

I would add Perkins, Tablado, Hattig, Diaz and Negron. The last two because I think they could be stuck on a bench on some ML roster and be used as pinch runners and defensive replacements. They have a lot of upside still. My next keeper would be Davenport, then Romero, then Ramirez. It is tough on these three.

I would keep just 1 spot empty for the Rule 5 draft to pick up someone. If we can't do any better than the guy we got last year (his old team didn't even want him back) I would stick with my homegrowns
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:30 AM EST (#12647) #
I would definitely add Negron, however I'm not quite sold on Hattig yet, I fear he is the next Simon Pond.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:32 AM EST (#12648) #
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/columnists/askbarule5.html
Daryn, COMN for BA's Rule 5 Draft explanation...
Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 11:41 AM EST (#12649) #
Rule 5 draft basics. Players with three years or more minor league service who are not on the 40 man roster are eligible to be selected by another team in the Rule 5 draft. If selected, the drafting team must hold the player on their 25 man roster for a year or else must offer to return the player to the original team. The drafting team is exposed to a $50,000 cost.

Six year minor leaguers are free agents, and can be picked up at no cost, and without the same stipulations.
_Daryn - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 12:16 PM EST (#12650) #
Got it...

so it IS just the Rule 5 situation.. thus players we just drafted are excempt.. (going back 3(2?) drafts I suppose)
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 12:19 PM EST (#12651) #
I don't know if SF is lurking around the Box today, but if so, any idea when the lists of Toronto's updated 40 man roster, and other organizational (minor league) rosters will pop up? I am eager to speculate how the Rule 5 drafts (both the major and minor league R5 drafts) will play out.
_Lylem - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 12:33 PM EST (#12652) #
Has Anybody heard anything about the rumors that Matt Clement is the Jays #1 PRiority! That would make a pretty Solid Starting 4 (if the Jays use Batista as the closer that is).
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 12:52 PM EST (#12653) #
Has Anybody heard anything about the rumors that Matt Clement is the Jays #1 PRiority! That would make a pretty Solid Starting 4 (if the Jays use Batista as the closer that is)

A story is on the Globe and Mail Web site.
_Lee - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:02 PM EST (#12654) #
It blows my mind that Lighterfluid is still holding a spot on the 40-man.

Ligtenburg had a terrible, awful year, yes, but the last thing the Jays need to do is going dumping relievers with solid track records.
_Lee - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:09 PM EST (#12655) #
I don't think the Jays can afford to remove Cash with their 2005 catching situation so uncertain. They have no starter and no backup at the major league level right now.

Umm, Cash isn't really a major league level starter or backup either.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:09 PM EST (#12656) #
... with guaranteed contracts.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:30 PM EST (#12657) #
Ligtenburg had a terrible, awful year, yes, but the last thing the Jays need to do is going dumping relievers with solid track records.

From what I have heard, Ligtenburg's injury is very serious and there is a good chance that he will never pitch (effectively) again. I wouldn't count on him next year.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:34 PM EST (#12658) #
Although I cannot substantiate DeMarco's comment, the last thing the Jays would want to do then, is release Ligtenberg. If he cannot pitch due to an injury, the Jays can claim Ligtenberg's contract under insurance and reinvest the money saved, perhaps into the 2005 draft. Big IF though.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:38 PM EST (#12659) #
Yes, either way, Ligtenburg will be kept on the roster.
Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:44 PM EST (#12660) #
Lee and DeMarco, Marc has the correct spelling of Kerry's last name, Ligtenberg. FYI.
_Jonny German - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 01:45 PM EST (#12661) #
DeMarco, care to enlighten us on where you're hearing this?
Joe - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 02:02 PM EST (#12662) #
http://me.woot.net
Obviously Rule 5ers sometimes get buried on the major league roster. Is there rule that states that those on the 25 man roster must be at games, though? Could the claiming team put its Rule 5 players in some sort of conditioning or other program and tell them not to show up at games?
_Rob - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 02:09 PM EST (#12663) #
Joe, I believe an MLB team is only required to have a minimum of 24 players for any game, so you could have them in a "conditioning program" instead of being overwhelmed in the bigs.

However, you're wasting a roster spot...but how much does the 25th guy get used anyway?

And do I have that right? The active roster must have no fewer than 24 players and no more than 25 players (40 in September)?
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 02:21 PM EST (#12664) #
What a lot of teams do is have the player on their active roster for so many games - there is a strict requirement... 50 seems to stick in my mind... or they can be sent back. Happened with the Rays a couple years ago with Damian Rolls. He got injured too soon in the season as a Rule 5 pick and the Rays had to subsequently carry him on their roster the next season for a month or so or they would have had to return him to the Dodgers.

Most teams keep a player on the roster for the required time, at which point the player has an injury (a bruised buttock, or something like that) pop up and then after spending time on the DL they go on a 30-day rehab assignment with a minor league team. Then they come back just in time for the September roster expansion. Happens a lot, especially, with hitters.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 02:42 PM EST (#12665) #
DeMarco, care to enlighten us on where you're hearing this?

I know people that have had the same problem that Ligtenberg has, it's not something that gets better.
_Jim - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:01 PM EST (#12666) #
For the record Song is already not on the 40-man, according to BP he was outrighted and cleared waivers.
_Transaction Guy - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:04 PM EST (#12667) #
http://www.all-baseball.com/transactionguy
Yeah, but I haven't seen that reported anywhere else.
Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:05 PM EST (#12668) #
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/MLB/Toronto/2004/09/09/621967.html
The phrase that I have seen used about Ligtenberg's hip injury was "the beginning of an arthritic condition". This was not coming from a doctor, but from Ligtenberg himself. COMN.

DeMarco,if something more than this has been published concerning Ligtenberg's hip, please let us know. Otherwise describing it as "very serious" falls into the rumours category. We try to avoid that here.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:07 PM EST (#12669) #
Off the Jays' Web site: The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have added the following players to the 40-man roster - RHP VINCE PERKINS, RHP ISMAEL RAMIREZ, 3B JOHN HATTIG, IF RAUL TABLADO and OF MIGUEL NEGRON.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:08 PM EST (#12670) #
Jays also outrighted Song off the roster, which means he will remain in the system unless he is picked up off waivers by another team.
_Christopher - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:19 PM EST (#12671) #
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3177746
More Expos news, they've acquired Jose Guillen.
COMN
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:22 PM EST (#12672) #
A hip injury that bothered Ligtenberg all year and in his own admission was classified as "arthritic" in my opinion is 'very serious'.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:26 PM EST (#12673) #
Cripes. I wouldn't haven given up Rivera (Juan, not Mariano) and Izturis (Macier, not Cesar) for a headcase like Guillen. Just what Washington needs to get good press in a new market: Guillen tantrums. Nice trade by Anaheim... adding to their ridiculous glut of solid young players. Izturis is a nice backup until Adam Kennedy returns from injury.
_Cory - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:30 PM EST (#12674) #
Pistol, since you dislike nicknames so much, how can we ever forget about TenRun Sturtze?
Pistol - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:35 PM EST (#12675) #
Off the Jays' Web site: The TORONTO BLUE JAYS have added the following players to the 40-man roster - RHP VINCE PERKINS, RHP ISMAEL RAMIREZ, 3B JOHN HATTIG, IF RAUL TABLADO and OF MIGUEL NEGRON.

Nice job Mike Green. Nailed it.
_Jonny German - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:40 PM EST (#12676) #
A hip injury that bothered Ligtenberg all year and in his own admission was classified as "arthritic" in my opinion is 'very serious'.

Fair enough. But that's not enough information to conclude that it's the same condition as what someone else has or that it'll stop him from ever being effective again. That's where the rumour-mongering starts.
Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:45 PM EST (#12677) #
Thanks, Marc, for the information about the 40 man roster additions. No surprises.

DeMarco, when someone says that a player has a very serious hip injury, I immediately think of Bo Jackson's avascular necrosis. That's a very serious hip condition. Arthritis (if that is in fact what Ligtenberg has) can be significant in the long term or not. You don't know whether it is for him and neither do I.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:46 PM EST (#12678) #
All I am suggesting, is that people shouldn't count on Ligtenberg next year.

It is my opinion that he may never pitch effectively again, I'm didn't mean to mislead you into thinking that I was stating a fact. I also didn't realize that only facts could be stated at this site.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:50 PM EST (#12679) #
when someone says that a player has a very serious hip injury

I never said this, I said he had a very serious injury, which I would classify all hip injuries as very serious, especially for those who make their living as athletes.
_Rob - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:52 PM EST (#12680) #
I also didn't realize that only facts could be stated at this site.

There are facts, there are opinions, there are educated guesses, and then there is this:

From what I have heard, Ligtenburg's injury is very serious and there is a good chance that he will never pitch (effectively) again. I wouldn't count on him next year.
_Jonny German - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:54 PM EST (#12681) #
It is my opinion that he may never pitch effectively again

That's not what you said. You implied that you had some reliable source behind it. Please click here and read Mike Moffatt's explanation of why we have no tolerance for rumour mongering.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 03:55 PM EST (#12682) #
Sorry, I thought it was implied, but next time I will say this:

From what I have heard, it is my opinion that Ligtenburg's injury is very serious and there is a good chance that he will never pitch (effectively) again. I wouldn't count on him next year.
Gerry - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:00 PM EST (#12683) #
Mike, now that the Jays have made their decisions who is exposed that has a chance of being claimed?
_Rob - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:08 PM EST (#12684) #
By my count, this leaves 4 spots open on the 40-man. The 36 players on right now are:

Pitchers (21)
Arnold, Batista, Bush, Chacin, Chulk, Douglass, Frasor, Frederick, Glynn, Halladay, League, Ligtenberg, Lilly, McGowan, Miller, Perkins*, Peterson, Ramirez*, Rosario, Speier, Towers
Catchers (2)
GQ and KC
Infielders (7)
Adams, Crozier, Hattig, Hinske, Hudson, Menechino, Tablado*
Outfielders (6)
Catalanotto, Gross, Johnson, Negron*, Rios, Wells

I expect Jason Alfaro to be added soon; IMO he'll be the Chris Gomez of 2005
_Smirnoff - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:10 PM EST (#12685) #
Demarco, you still spelled Ligtenberg wrong.
_DeMarco - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:15 PM EST (#12686) #
All this because I didn't think it would go over well that Bob File was actually the source of my opinions on Ligtenberg injury.
_Smirnoff - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:21 PM EST (#12687) #
Oh man. I want nothing to do with this conversation. Have a good weekend, Pete.
Mike Green - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:22 PM EST (#12688) #
Gerry,

I'd guess that one of Davenport, Romero or Diaz might be selected, and if I had to pick one, it would probably be Robinson Diaz. He'd be an acceptable 3rd catcher for a year for someone if they want to use the roster that way.

It's still most likely that none of them will be chosen. Diaz and Romero haven't advanced beyond low A, and Davenport would be hard to keep on a roster for a year. He'd hardly get used at all, and his age and development level make it essential that he get significant at-bats for him to succeed.
Craig B - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:27 PM EST (#12689) #
No worries, anyone. Just relax.

At any rate... All I am suggesting, is that people shouldn't count on Ligtenberg next year. is probably right, until we either heat good news, or see him pitching in the spring, I always figure anyone who went out at the end of the year may not be back right away.

And as Mike Green points out, arthritis certainly can be serious.
_Lee - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:38 PM EST (#12690) #
From what I have heard, Ligtenburg's injury is very serious and there is a good chance that he will never pitch (effectively) again. I wouldn't count on him next year.

I hadn't heard that. If so, that's too bad; I was really excited about Ligtenberg (thanks for the correction Mike) coming over last year. Still, if there's any chance he will recover sufficiently to help out, the Jays should probably still keep him around given the sad shape of the pen.
_Nigel - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 04:44 PM EST (#12691) #
There's actually quite a bit of flexibility with the 40 man roster because it consists of a pretty large number of older - 5th starter/middle relief/AAAA type players:

Arnold, Douglass, Frederick, Glynn, Miller, Towers (even Chulk to some extent)

I think depth in that area is a pretty good thing but you could drop one of those (my choice would be either Frederick or Glynn) without losing a lot. I'm actually surprized that one of them wasn't dropped in favour of either Romero or Diaz.
_Ryan01 - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 05:01 PM EST (#12692) #
The biggest reason for not adding Romero or Diaz is option years. Even if their development goes perfectly to plan, they still won't be ready for the majors for another 3 years or so and you only get 3 option years. That means, they'll more than likely be out of options before they're ready. Then you either have a player who isn't ready taking up roster space, you have to trade him for a below value return or you risk losing him on waivers.
_Ryan01 - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 05:07 PM EST (#12693) #
I'm surprised the Jays were allowed to outright Song so quickly after claiming him. I thought there were restrictions to prevent teams from claiming a player and then immediately waiving him again just so they could 'steal' his rights from his original team.
_Marc - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 05:36 PM EST (#12694) #
Nope. I've seen teams outright a guy they claimed the next day... It's irrelevant because teams get another crack at the player when he is outrighted again.
_Ryan01 - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 05:58 PM EST (#12695) #
That's not possible since it takes at least three days to pass a player through waivers before you can outright him. Can you give me any examples of this happening?

If that's the case, then you can get into a cycle where the player is endlessly bouncing between teams hoping that this time he'll make it through.
_Dan Gordon - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 06:06 PM EST (#12696) #
The Jays site indicates J-F Griffin is on the 40-man, not S. Douglass. Still comes to a total of 36 players.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 07:48 PM EST (#12697) #
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/tor/news/tor_press_release.jsp?ymd=20041119&content_id=914879&vkey=pr_tor&fext=.jsp
Hey Ryan01,

It seems to be possible as per the Jays site. Strange but True.

"The BLUE JAYS have also out righted RHP Seung Song to Syracuse of the International League (AAA)".

COMN and go to bottom of the page. About 5 inches from the bottom you will see the above quote.
_The Original Ry - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 08:52 PM EST (#12698) #
I'm surprised the Jays were allowed to outright Song so quickly after claiming him.

It's not uncommon. Off the top of my head I can't think of any other examples (I've been drinking tonight, which is probably the reason), but I have seen this happen a number of times.

If that's the case, then you can get into a cycle where the player is endlessly bouncing between teams hoping that this time he'll make it through.

This happened with Tim Pugh back in 1996. He started the year with the Reds and then wound up with this series of transactions:

May 10, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.
July 8, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.
July 12, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.
August 15, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.
October 15, 1996: Granted Free Agency.
Dave Till - Friday, November 19 2004 @ 10:15 PM EST (#12699) #
May 10, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.
July 8, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.
July 12, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.
August 15, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.
October 15, 1996: Granted Free Agency.


October 16, 1996: Went home and had a good long cry. :-)
_The Original Ry - Saturday, November 20 2004 @ 09:09 AM EST (#12700) #
October 16, 1996: Went home and had a good long cry. :-)

I wouldn't doubt it. :-) If I've got this right, during that saga the 26 other teams in the league would have passed over Pugh at least twice, with some of them passing on him three or four times, depending on the standings. Even the two teams that wanted him ended up cutting him twice. That's about as unwanted as you can possibly be while still staying in the major leagues.
_Geoff - Saturday, November 20 2004 @ 10:45 AM EST (#12701) #
We have 36 men on the roster.

By my count we will have to add 6 before all is said and done.

A starter, a reliever, a first baseman, a DH, a Catcher, and a Backup Infielder all should be expected to be added to the 40 before April 1.

Obviously if we trade a major leauger or remove him from the 40 that just adds a spot that needs to be filled.

Only 2 pitchers (from a group of Chulk, Glynn, Miller, Frederick) will be in the minors, on the 40 and not considered a prospect.

Its not a good idea to drop the 2 non-prospect AAA 40 man players, as they are good injury insurance in order to not rush prospects.

Similarly, we have zero veteran AAA hitting injury insurance on the 40 man roster.

Which all leads to my conclusion that at least 2 prospects on the 40 will have to be traded or removed from the 40 and exposed before April 1.
_R Billie - Saturday, November 20 2004 @ 03:08 PM EST (#12702) #
I think we'll see a few players thrown into trades like Sandy Nin and David Gassner were last year. JP has a lot of trades cooking and a couple of them will probably develop into something significant in the next month or two.
_Kevin Pataky - Saturday, November 20 2004 @ 09:33 PM EST (#12703) #
I realize this is off topic - but it is getting close to Christmas - so where do you guys get your Jays gear? I am looking for a fleece like the pros wear, and a gray batting practice cap. MLB.com has nothing. Just COMN and shoot me an email - thanks.
_Mick - Sunday, November 21 2004 @ 06:14 PM EST (#12704) #
Interesting Rule 5 draft option for a Jays team that could use some depth in the middle infield and outfield. The Rangers, somewhat shockingly, decided not to place former first round pick Drew Meyer on their 40-man, meaning he will be available in the draft. Originally a shortstop, he has moved around the infield and, like every other decent prospect in the Texas system who can run, spotted in CF.

I can't imagine he'd produce LESS than Dave Berg, is probably slighty more versatile, cheaper and though I hate this phrase, has WAY more upside.
_Marc - Monday, November 22 2004 @ 10:07 AM EST (#12705) #
I'm working on a pinch hit column previewing the upcoming rule 5 draft, which should be available in the next day or two (should one of the boxers want to post it). It will include a detailed list of available players, including ones that the Jays might be interested in.
The only problem I have had is that LA, St. Louis and Atlanta roster moves were not announced by any media outlet I have seen (happens every year with those same teams for some reason). If anyone can find them and email them to me (COMN) it would be a great help. Thanks.
Mike Green - Monday, November 22 2004 @ 11:31 AM EST (#12706) #
Marc, COMN to e-mail me your pinch-hit. I don't have the LA, St. Louis and Atlanta roster moves. I wonder if it's a coincidence that those fine organizations all do not publicize their 40 man additions at this time. Somehow, I doubt that it's a coincidence.
Mike Green - Monday, November 22 2004 @ 02:46 PM EST (#12707) #
Marc, I e-mailed Jim Callis at BA. He replied very quickly to advise that they have the St. Louis, Atlanta and LA roster moves, and they'll be online soon.
_Marc - Monday, November 22 2004 @ 03:08 PM EST (#12708) #
Thanks, Mike. If I hadn't seen those soon I would have given good ol' BA a quick email. They're quite helpful, those guys! I should have the rule 5 piece to you tomorrow (Tuesday) and I'll keep an eye out for the BA roster moves, although I don't forsee any of the three teams having many interesting players not protected... All LA's best prospects are too young to need protecting, St. Louis has a thin system and Atlanta always does a good job of protecting their promising players... so my list shouldn't (hopefully) need much overhauling!
_Justin B. - Monday, November 22 2004 @ 06:27 PM EST (#12709) #
Marc,
Not sure if you've already read, but according to Rotoworld: "
Braves purchased the contracts of 3B Andy Marte, RHP Kyle Davies, 2B Pete Orr, OF Bill McCarthy, LHP Macay McBride, RHP Anthony Lerew and SS Luis Hernandez."
_Marc - Monday, November 22 2004 @ 10:02 PM EST (#12710) #
Thanks Justin B. I just saw it on ESPN right before I read your note! Now all I need is LA and St. Louis... and my list of 30 40-man rosters will be complete.
_JC - Tuesday, November 23 2004 @ 01:45 PM EST (#12711) #
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/features/40man1104.html
BA has all of the 40-man rosters online.
Not sure if you saw this already.
_Marc - Tuesday, November 23 2004 @ 02:37 PM EST (#12712) #
Got them, thanks.
Thomas - Tuesday, November 23 2004 @ 07:19 PM EST (#12713) #
I just looked at Arizona's 40-man. Wow, talk about a list of guys most baseball die-hards haven't even heard of. It's going to be a rough next few years there.
_Jacko - Thursday, November 25 2004 @ 01:59 AM EST (#12714) #

Interesting Rule 5 draft option for a Jays team that could use some depth in the middle infield and outfield. The Rangers, somewhat shockingly, decided not to place former first round pick Drew Meyer on their 40-man, meaning he will be available in the draft. Originally a shortstop, he has moved around the infield and, like every other decent prospect in the Texas system who can run, spotted in CF.

I can't imagine he'd produce LESS than Dave Berg, is probably slighty more versatile, cheaper and though I hate this phrase, has WAY more upside.

Certainly worth a flier.

Another guy I like was just DFA'ed by the Indians -- John McDonald.

No power worth speaking of, but he's a tremendous defensive SS. The perfect guy to have around as a late inning replacement and tutor for Russ Adams. And he can probably be had for around 500K. I guess the Indians are planning on a rotation of Peralta, Phillips, and Belliard next year at 2B/SS?
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