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In the Star today, Richard Griffin's "Pathetic pitching is Jays' problem" takes a shot at "Teflon-covered" Carlos Tosca, but is mostly fair:

Typical of the disappointment Ricciardi has suffered with his leaky pen, the three left-handed relievers, Doug Creek, Trever Miller and Jason Kershner, have combined to allow 47 runners in 23 1/3 innings. The right-handers have not been much more efficient. The bullpen's first-batter (in)efficiency is only 50 retired in 88 appearances. Yikes!

It's not as colourful as "Zombie-like cult of statistical seamheads", but there's a mention of "J.P.-worshipping fans" -- feel free to take that as personally as I do. I'll cop to respect and admiration for Ricciardi and gratitude that he signed on here for five years to fix the mess Ash made. I'll admit to hope, just like the skipper. I even like J.P.; he's honest and open (sometimes to a fault) about what he's doing with the team, and he's a high school coach. Funny, too -- Justin Miller may need shoulder surgery (they will know by the middle of next week) so the GM said, with a straight face, "That's what happens when bad-body guys try to work out."

Even the revered Pat Gillick had his Bill Caudills. J.P. isn't supposed to bat 1.000; he's supposed to pass on the bad pitches offered by rival GMs and swing at the good ones. You foul off a few (Prokopec) and you hit a few (Hinske, Politte) and you miss some. Everything the man does is low-risk, high reward. The moves that do work out save a fortune -- two terrific Rule 5 picks in as many years -- and the others (call them mistakes if you must) don't cost much. The AL April standings don't negate the draft these guys had last June; the farm teams will be even stronger next year. Turning a microscope on the first month of Doug Creek or Jeff Tam is a ridiculous way to evaluate J.P.'s organization. Try binoculars.

I'm probably a source of amusement in the front office; I've got wackier ideas than Mike Moffatt, and I'm not afraid to suggest them. I prefer Reed Johnson to Jayson Werth. I would have released Escobar by now if he couldn't be dumped in a trade. Dave Berg is my 2B -- Hudson's got one more chance in Syracuse to calm down his out-of-control game. I'm listening to trade offers for O-Dog; Russ Adams isn't far away in my world. I think the manager is too rigid on the lefty-lefty thing and Wells should hit sixth.

Worship? Not in the ZLC. I call 'em as I see 'em.
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_M.P. Moffatt - Thursday, May 01 2003 @ 11:40 AM EDT (#102859) #
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I agree with you 100% coach. You do have wackier ideas than I do.

I also agree with you about the direction the team is moving in. A regular Batter's Box reader recently took exception to some of the harsh and unfair critcism I've had over the last couple weeks on the team and its players. He was 100% correct and I'm glad someone called me on it. It's funny, I've actually begun to root for the Jays, where as before I just watched them with a bit of a bemused interest. It's pretty difficult for a rational economist like me to lose his head, though I have been.

The future looks quite bright for the Jays, even if there is problems in the present. The Jays have a number of great young players, some on the team, some not. Getting two very good pitchers from the Rule V in consecutive years is an accomplishment.

I don't think front office is infallible, and I have and will i nthe future disagree with some things they do. But there seems a logic there, and an understanding of economic concepts such as opportunity cost and sunk costs then didn't seem present in the Ash regime. Bright people working under a logical framework are going to be right a lot more often than they're going to be wrong.

MP
_rodent - Thursday, May 01 2003 @ 12:51 PM EDT (#102860) #
Nice baseline. Thank you both.
_R Billie - Thursday, May 01 2003 @ 12:52 PM EDT (#102861) #
But the problem, as far as J.P.-worshipping fans are concerned, is that following a promising spring slate of exhibitions, management did nothing to curb the sideline cheerleading and discourage talk of competing for a wild card right here, right now. Now there's a general backtracking.

Well this is completely false. JP estimated a 7-13 record to open the year. Most reasonable fans estimated about the same. I don't think anyone estimated the bullpen to be as terrible as it has been and it could be said realistically that the Jays should be better than 10-18 for the month. A .500+ record is the goal for this year and is still entirely in reach.

I will admit, I'm pretty pissed off at this team right now. I'm angry at a pitching staff that can't execute pitches, make moronic pitch selections, or get themselves in trouble in any number of ways. How the (bleep) do you hit Ryan Christenson after you get ahead 0-2 on him? What possible reason is there to make a purpose pitch to a guy that at the time couldn't hit himself out of a paper bag? That's almost as bad as throwing wild on an intentional walk. This staff is short on talent but they also seem short on brains.

Bad body guys don't hurt themselves working out if they know what they're doing. And if they don't, they should be supervised by someone who does.
Pistol - Thursday, May 01 2003 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#102862) #
If the worst moves a GM makes is signing a few relief pitchers for 1 year I'll take my chances with him.
_Jurgen - Thursday, May 01 2003 @ 03:32 PM EDT (#102863) #
What's probably hurting J.P. in the eyes of people like Griffin is that he was pre-appointed the savoir of the franchise, but so far they've seen nothing but low cost "little ball" moves (Lidle, Sturtze, Politte, Cat, Hinske...) that aren't really all that sexy. I mean, just because a TTC pass is a better value than trying to find parking downtown, doesn't mean it'll impress the ladies.

He has yet to make a kind of Fernandez-McGriff for Alomar-Carter blockbuster deal that shows his "commitment to winning" or whatever the Twins called overpaying Torii Hunter.
robertdudek - Thursday, May 01 2003 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#102864) #
That deal was derided by most of the Toronto media. As far as they were concerned, Alomar was some unknown kid from the National League. They viewed it as 2 top quality players for 1 (they didn't realize that Carter was merely a slightly above average ballplayer).

Of course, once they saw Alomar play a season their tune changed.
_Jurgen - Thursday, May 01 2003 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#102865) #
No, that's what I mean. Beat reporters like Griffin doubted Gillick until they saw these guys play, and then they said, "He's a Genius!" And then they convince themselves that they knew all along that what Gillick was doing was the right thing, and use that as ammo when J.P. continues to "screw up".

For the record, I don't know whether Griffin was pro- or con- when the deal was made.
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