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Game 1 : Orioles 7 - Jays 6

Game 2 : Orioles 4 - Jays 0


Game 1 Boxscore Game 2 Boxscore

  1. Recaps:
    • Game 1 - Spencer Fordin:

        The hazards were on and the shoulder was full.

        Ted Lilly closed out his breakout season with a breakdown at Camden Yards, walking five batters in less than five innings on Wednesday. The Orioles chased him early and won the game late, using a rally in their last lick to take a 7-6 win in the first half of a doubleheader.

        "I wanted to take a time-out and just practice for a little bit. I lost it that bad," Lilly said. "Unfortunately, that was about as tough as it's been for me to find the strike zone. And not only was I not locating the ball in the strike zone, I couldn't throw a strike when I had to."

    • Game 1 - Gary Washburn

        The Orioles did not make things easy for themselves in the first game of Wednesday's doubleheader with the Toronto Blue Jays. They blew a three-run lead in the late innings and wasted a golden opportunity to take the lead in the eighth inning.

        Just when it appeared the O's were headed to extra innings in a consistent downpour, David Newhan punched a bases-loaded single to left field off Justin Speier as the Orioles earned the Game 1 win, 7-6, at Camden Yards.

    • Game 2 - Spencer Fordin:

        Don't judge a game by the box score. Despite the final score, this one was close until the final moments.

        The Blue Jays and Orioles were locked in a one-run game on Wednesday night, but Baltimore pulled away with three runs in the eighth inning. The end result was a 4-0 win for the O's and a doubleheader sweep. In the nightcap, Rick Bauer outpitched Gustavo Chacin by the barest of margins and watched his offense beat up on Toronto's bullpen.

    • Game 2 - Gary Washburn:

        Rick Bauer thought there would never have been an opportunity to prove himself with the Orioles after he was demoted for a third time to Triple-A Ottawa in July. He thought the Orioles gave up on him, especially after he criticized management because of his treatment.

        Bauer was wrong. He took his demotion, straightened up his mechanics and his attitude in Ottawa and has returned, hoping to secure his future in Baltimore.

    • Mike Ganter:

        Gustavo Chacin will head home to Maracaibo, Venezuela on a high note in a few days when the season ends.

        The rookie left-hander, with the hitch in his motion, made it to a major-league mound for the second and final time this season last night in Baltimore and for the second time held his opponents in check.

    • AP:

        The Blue Jays are 8-10 against Baltimore, their first losing season against the Orioles in four years. Toronto had won six straight at Camden Yards before Wednesday.

        Tejada's run-scoring single in the fifth inning of the opener gave him 143 RBIs, snapping the mark set by Palmeiro in 1996.

        "That's awesome, to have it on the same team as me and see him do it," Palmeiro said. "When I did it, it didn't seem like that many. When he did it, it seemed like a whole ton of RBIs."

    • Larry Millson:

        This has been a difficult year for the Toronto Blue Jays and a difficult year for one of their premier players, centre fielder Vernon Wells.

        "Unfortunately, once you get into a slump, it's hard tough to get out of it," he said yesterday. "It's a learning process for young players. It's been a down year at times, it's been a great year at times."

        There was a little bit of both for Wells and the Blue Jays yesterday in their 7-6 loss to the Baltimore Orioles in the first game of a doubleheader at Camden Yards on Dave Newhan's two-out single in the ninth inning.

        In the second game before an announced attendance of 20,600, the Orioles completed the sweep with a 4-0 victory as their starter Rick Bauer gave up three hits through six innings.

    • Mark Zwolinski:

        Gustavo Chacin is now one of the poster boys for the Jays next season.

        It's only been two starts since the lefty with the two-step windup was called up from the minors. But he has been sensational and the Jays certainly feel that with what they've seen from him and shortstop Russ Adams, a return to respectability in 2005 is closer.

        Chacin followed up an eye-opening debut against the Yankees with seven solid innings last night in a 4-0 loss to the Baltimore Orioles before 20,600 at Camden Yards.

        "He showed something again," manager John Gibbons said after Chacin allowed four hits, fanned four and walked none.

        "He's had one heckuva year. The two starts here (in the majors) were very impressive. He is just so composed, he looks like he knows what he's doing."



  2. Fordin Notes on the managerial strategies of John Gibbons and which Jays players are headed for arbitration:

      Only four Blue Jays are eligible for arbitration, which is extended to players with three years of service time. Those four are Speier, Chris Woodward, Frank Menechino and Bobby Estalella. Arbitration often results in a raise, which makes it a dicey proposition: Speier and Menechino are good candidates to return, but Woodward and Estalella will likely be casualties of the non-tender deadline in late December.

      There is one other consideration: Seventeen percent of players with two years of service time are granted Super 2 status, which gives them an early shot at arbitration. Generally speaking, those players fall into a narrow niche: The historical cutoff point is two years and 128 days of service, while the high side is two years and 140 days.

      Anyone over that second point is all but guaranteed to be a Super 2 -- anyone under the first one should fall short. By those measurements, only one Jay is affected. When the season ends, Bob File will have two years and 154 days of service, which means the Jays will either offer him arbitration or settle beforehand. A third option, of course, is to sever ties with the right-hander.

      Two key contributors -- Josh Towers and Orlando Hudson -- fall just shy of the Super 2 mark. Towers will have two years and 60 days of service, and Hudson has an extra 20 days.

  3. Ganter Notes on organizational award winners and the defense of the O-Dog:

      Not that there is much they can do about it, but the Jays coaching staff is making a subtle push for Orlando Hudson as this year's pick for the American League gold glove award at second base. Managers and coaches vote on the awards, but they select a player from their own club.

      "I don't know where you'll find a second baseman that has been much better than him," Jays interim manager John Gibbons said.

      Hudson leads the American League in assists per nine innings at 3.61, but has the type of range that routinely has him make the highlight packages as he chases down balls into the outfield. The most recent time the Jays had a Gold Glove winner was 1999 in outfielder Shawn Green.


  4. Mike Ganter talks to one of the young pitching studs of the organization in "High hopes for Chacin":

      One-game wonder or future mainstay in the Blue Jays rotation?

      Not even Gustavo Chacin (pronounced Cha-seen) can say for sure.

      In a Blue Jays season short of feel-good stories, his arrival has managed to somewhat even the scales.

      Chacin hasn't exactly taken the traditional route to the big leagues.

      Two years ago, the Jays took him off the 40-man roster and exposed him to any of the 29 other clubs that cared to take a shot.

  5. In "Be wary Blue Jay fans" Dave Perkins tells us why Jays fans should take notice of what happened in Montreal:

      Decades of a depressed Canadian dollar make operating here financially dicey for a fringe sport and in Canada, everything except hockey is, regrettably, a fringe sport. (Revenue sharing has helped the Jays immensely here; without it they already would be in serious trouble.)

      A number of minor pro baseball teams, most notably Triple-A sides in Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver, plus a Double-A club in London, Ont., beat the Expos across the border. The Canadian public isn't clamouring for more baseball. The Jays might have inherited the title of "Canada's team" but if Canada isn't much interested, what good is it?

      The NBA Grizzlies fled Vancouver, too. Nothing says U.S. pro leagues, beyond the NHL, care about keeping Canada as part of the package if they ever did. It was quaint to expand to Canada and harvest new markets, but that was long before 9/11 turned border crossings into a serious pain and turned U.S. eyes ever more inward.


  6. Tonight's 7:05PM EST start in Baltimore: RHP Josh Towers (9-7, 4.99 ERA) vs. LHP Matt Riley (2-4, 5.64 ERA). For more details see the game preview.
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Pistol - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 08:37 AM EDT (#30042) #
Only four Blue Jays are eligible for arbitration, which is extended to players with three years of service time. Those four are Speier, Chris Woodward, Frank Menechino and Bobby Estalella.

When the season ends, Bob File will have two years and 154 days of service, which means the Jays will either offer him arbitration or settle beforehand


I'd expect Speier and Menechino to settle well before arbitration and the other 3 to be non-tendered.
Lucas - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 08:38 AM EDT (#30043) #
"Hello, operator. Did you know that some kinds of orioles have white stripes? What? No, I don't need a number."
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 09:08 AM EDT (#30044) #
Anyone have any advice on how to find a reasonably priced hotel room in NYC?
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 09:18 AM EDT (#30045) #
Tyler, it depends on what you need. If you have a definite budget, you can always try Priceline and name your price and see if you can get a room that way.

If you don't want to go the Priceline way (and it can be confusing) you could try hotels.com but try to check out reviews on the hotel you choose!

If you want something decent in Manhattan, i.e. something livable, expect to start at around $149 a night, that's about $188 Canadian.
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 09:42 AM EDT (#30046) #
Thanks Craig...trying to find a hotel so I can hit the game at Shea on Sunday, but that's one pricy city.
_Spicol - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 09:45 AM EDT (#30047) #
One-game wonder or future mainstay in the Blue Jays rotation?

How about, something in between?
_Sean -TBG - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#30048) #
http://www.new-york-hotels.redflag.info/
Hi Tyler, COMN for a good hotel site, I've had luck here on trips to NYC
_G.T. - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:08 AM EDT (#30049) #
trying to find a hotel so I can hit the game at Shea on Sunday, but that's one pricy city.

When I went to NY a few years ago, we stayed at a place in NJ... one of the major "budget hotel" chains.

It was certainly far cheaper than staying in the city, and there was a bus that went from right near the motel to the Port Authority station downtown.

Might be an option worth considering, if you're on a budget and don't mind adding a little extra travelling time...
_MatO - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#30050) #
Russ Adams hit about a 400ft HR yesterday and now has 7 HR since the middle of August. This has come at the cost of a few walks as he seems to have a hitting philosophy of taking a rip at the first good pitch to hit that he sees. I'm amazed at how he drives the ball (pay attention Hinske), even the outside pitch. I'm wondering, is this new power due to:
a) A new hitting approach
b) Just a natural progression from his increased 2B power this year
c) A little of both a) and b)
d) He's just the second coming of Chris Woodward (a couple of months of flash)
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#30051) #
For all you draft watchers... Wade Townsend has returned to class at Rice and so the Orioles have lost their chance to sign him. Townsend is reportedly considering legal action, since he has actually renounced his college eligibility but decided to attend classes anyway and negotiate at the same time, which MLB does not allow.
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:16 AM EDT (#30052) #
Any idea what the hotel was GT?
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:16 AM EDT (#30053) #
I got that story from BA, who also reported (very interesting) that the O's have been lowballing Townsend, trying to get him for about $350,000 under the slot money for the 9th pick.
Mike Green - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#30054) #
MatO, it sure looked to me as though Adams hit the weights in the off-season with particular emphasis on his legs. I mean, he's not Greg Luzinski, but he's solid. He was a hitting the ball harder in Syracuse earlier this year than he had been in New Hampshire last year.

For those of us who worried about Adams' lack of power, myself included, now is probably a good time to say that we were wrong and he clearly has enough pop to succeed as a major league hitter.
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#30055) #
Also, thanks to Dave Perkins for finally saying in the mainstream, what needed to be said.

Orlando Hudson won't, as the article above indicates, be a Super Two. Which means that he'll have next year, then three arbitration years, and then will be a free agent since he'll have over six years at the end of the 2008 season.

Should he be signed to a long-term deal? If you wanted to do a Roy Halladay deal and sign him to a deal that bought out one year past arbitration eligibility, you'd be signing him to a five-year deal that took him through the end of the 2009 season.

Does that make sense? You'd have Hudson signed up through his age-31 season, and I'm not too sure the prognosis on second basemen, who aren't top-class hitters, is very solid once you get to their thirties. I wouldn't object so signing him to a two-year or three-year deal to get cost certainty instead of arbitration, but buying out those years long into the future has some substantial downside.
Mike Green - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:45 AM EDT (#30056) #
Does that make sense? You'd have Hudson signed up through his age-31 season, and I'm not too sure the prognosis on second basemen, who aren't top-class hitters, is very solid once you get to their thirties

Injury is the main concern for second basemen in their early 30s.

I'd say Hudson is a pretty safe bet for two reasons:
1. he has exceptional ability at avoiding contact (while still making good plays) on the DP; contact at the bag is a major source of injury for second basemen.
2. he's got more pop in his bat than most; this gives him more potential to adapt in the case of injury than most second baseman, and he's shown the commitment to make these adaptations should they become necessary.
_G.T. - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#30057) #
Any idea what the hotel was GT?

Well, this was 1996... don't remember exactly, it was a Comfort Inn-type thing. (We'd been staying in Motel 6's in our travels to that point, and it was comparable "quality"... definitely not high-end).

IIRC, there were several motels all within blocks of each other. Staying there and making day trips into the city seemed to be what that part of NJ was all about. Maybe someone more familiar with NY might be able to shed some more light?
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 10:53 AM EDT (#30058) #
Before I award any prizes, I wanted to give you guys this quote. It's from Roger Angell's Season Ticket published in 1988:

    BASEBALL TALK AT THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL OFTEN BECOMES money talk, and for a while Roy addressed himself to the chronic fiscal anxieties of his trade. He said that the A's expected to lose from five to six million dollars in 1983, in a budget of twenty-two million dollars, and that a major decline in attendance could make for further inroads. He said he wasn't certain exactly which of the other clubs posted deficits in 1982 but thought it was as many as eighteen to twenty of them. (At the All-Star game lunch in Chicago last month, the president of the Chicago White Sox stated that the major-league teams had lost a hundred million dollars in the past year.) Help is on the way, however, in the form of a new six-year, one-billion-two-hundred-million-dollar network-television contract, which, starting next year, is expected to produce about six million dollars per year for each major-league club - more than three times the current fixed network revenue. Most clubs, including the A's, have also negotiated, or are negotiating, lucrative new local or regional cable-television contracts, with a wide range of returns, depending on the size of the area market; the Yankees' current fifteen-year contract with the Sports-Channel network is believed to be in the neighborhood of a hundred million dollars, while similar cable rights in Oakland produce less than twenty million for the A's. Not surprisingly, Eisenhardt doubts that the television bonanza will do away with the game's inherent fiscal imbalance, which is perhaps the most implacable of the sports' continuing difficulties, because clubs with limited regional markets (the Marines, the Twins, the Royals, the A's, to name a few) must somehow compete, on the field and also in player salaries and free-agent bidding, with teams like the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Expos, and the Phillies, and the Angels, whose markets are enormously more lucrative.
_Paul D - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#30059) #
The BlueJays aren't going anywhere because they've got solid local ownership. The Grizzlies left partially because they were hosed by the NBA (even at their worst they were drawing more than Houston did in Steve Francis's first year) and partially because they couldn't find a local owner.

TSN had Richard Griffin and Paul Godfrey on SportsDesk this morning for a FAct or Fiction segment. It was kind of funny, as they disagreed on everything. Griffin blamed baseball for what happened in Montreal, Godfrey blamed the fans. Griffin said baseball in Toronto's doomed unless the payroll is raised, and Godfrey said that was nonsense, and that Griffin's great grandchildren would be watching Blue Jays games.

What do people think about acquiring Mark Redman as a one year stop gap in the starting rotation? He's almost certain to be available, and JP and Beane like to trade with each other.
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#30060) #
200 million points to Lucas for identifying the song as Hello Operator by The White Stripes. He also wins a White Stripes related picture:



and a picture of a cuttlefish:

_Moffatt - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#30061) #
The BlueJays aren't going anywhere because they've got solid local ownership.

This is true. However, do you expect Rogers to own the team forever?
Dave Till - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#30062) #
Baseball is doomed in Toronto if:

(a) Rogers decides to sell, and nobody local wants to buy;

(b) Rogers lowballs the payroll, and the other owners get angry about having to pay excessive revenue-sharing cash.

What's more likely is that the Jays will remain in Toronto, yet will consistently have lower payrolls than many of their competitors.

This is the norm in Blue Jays history, by the way, except for a brief period between when the SkyDome opened and 1993. The 1980's Jays didn't sign expensive free agents either; they contended because of a wonderful farm system, because Epy Guerrero was ahead of everybody else in signing Dominicans, and because Pat Gillick was consistently able to snatch up talent in the Rule V draft.
Dave Till - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#30063) #
I should add that I am often worried about baseball's long-term viability in Toronto. A couple of years ago, Toronto Life magazine predicted that the Jays would be out of Toronto by 2010.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#30064) #
The BlueJays aren't going anywhere because they've got solid local ownership.

It certainly doesn't help that Bob McDouchebag bashes the team with every chance he gets, and there's a scary percentage of T.O. sports fans who actualy listen and RESPECT the doughhead.

Quote from last nights show between double header

"Bob McCown here to save you from the Blue Jays...(seemingly 20 second pause)...what a waste of time...(seemingly 20 second pause)... not that anyone cares. And then we gotta go BACK to them and cut into my show"
_Paul D - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#30065) #
This is true. However, do you expect Rogers to own the team forever?

I expect them to own the Jays as long as they own a national Sports Network and a local radio network. And I expect that to be a long time.

We can't predict what the situation will be in 2030, how big the city of Toronto will be, what the television situation will be, etc. But we can predict that in the near future Rogers isn't selling anything and there's no need to worry about the Blue Jays.
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#30066) #
If it were just a little more on-colour, I'd vote for Jobu's "Bob McDouchebag" as the Official Batter's Box Appellation for the Unclean One. Oh well.

Heh... maybe we could write a filter that would do auto-replace. (I'm not very happy with McDou right now)
_Blue in SK - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:19 AM EDT (#30067) #
Paul D is absolutely correct. How else does a sports channel fill 120 plus nights a year...without resorting to darts and strong man competitions.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#30068) #
Heh, Blue, without the Jays, Sportsnet is almost the X-treme Sports Network.
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:22 AM EDT (#30069) #
I expect them to own the Jays as long as they own a national Sports Network and a local radio network.

Why, though? If Blue Jays broadcasts aren't making a lot of money (and judging by the ratings, they're not), why would Rogers continue to show them on TV, when they can get into something that gets higher ratings, like the CFL or WWF?

Rogers will keep the Jays until it no longer makes financial sense not to do so. Then the question is could this happen and when?
Pistol - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#30070) #
Isn't the ownership trend moving away from corporate ownership of teams?

Wade Townsend has returned to class at Rice and so the Orioles have lost their chance to sign him. Townsend is reportedly considering legal action, since he has actually renounced his college eligibility but decided to attend classes anyway and negotiate at the same time, which MLB does not allow.

This seems like a silly ruling to me. It may be a 'by the book' ruling, but I can't imagine the intent of the rule applies to this situation.

The Jays are tied with Milwaukee for the 5th pick right now. The worst they'll pick is 7th now, and that's only if they catch Tampa.
_Paul D - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#30071) #
At best, Rogers can broadcast WWE events twice a week. This only happens if they outbid TSN for RAW, and outbid headline sports for Smackdown. The WWE owns a portion of Headline Sports (or is it the Score now?)

Rogers will have a very difficult time getting the marquee CFL games away from CBC. This means they have to get into a bidding war with TSN for the weekday games. Why bid up the price of CFL games when you've got access to 160 MLB games every year?

I agree that Rogers will keep the Jays as long as it makes financial sense not to do so. I just think that it will make financial sense for them to do so as long as they own Sportsnet.

If you're ever on Primer when the discussion turns to contraction or which teams might move, the Blue Jays are never brought up. One of the Florida teams, or a plan to contract the Brewers and move the Twins to Milwaukee, or possibly Kansas City are the teams that are always mentioned.

Now, it's true that posters on primer (or thinkfactory) don't follow the team like we do. However, it's also possible that we're so involved with the team that we can't step back and rationally evaluate the situation. The Blue Jays have been varying degrees of terrible, not so good, average, and slightly above average over the past 10 years. Aside from the Expos, pretty much the only teams with that same performance are the Royals and the Tigers. (And maybe Tampa Bay, although they haven't been around for 10 years). Despite that, the Jays have managed to retain a solid base of fans. Is the attendance great? No, but it shouldn't be. This is as bad as it gets for the Jays, and I think we need to remember that. The Jays can only win more games and draw more fans from this point on.

Anyways, I need to get to school and teach some first year students how to pass on online mulitiple choice quiz that they already have the answers to, but I'll check later to see what people think. :)
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:41 AM EDT (#30072) #
This seems like a silly ruling to me. It may be a 'by the book' ruling, but I can't imagine the intent of the rule applies to this situation

MLB's rule is that once a player returns to class, he can no longer sign and he goes back into the pool for next year's draft. It's done for what I think are pretty good reasons... essentially, the NCAA wanted an agreement that would allow their member schools the ability to plan for contignencies, and be able to count on players, instead of them deciding to pull out of class at any time.

If Townsend were seriously still negotiating, he could just as easily take classes somewhere other than Rice. They're too far apart at this point anyway.

Townsend is certainly a good possibility for the 2005 draft, though! He's a terrific pitcher.
_Blue in SK - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:54 AM EDT (#30073) #
Also remember, that all Canadian television services have a requirement by condition of their CRTC granted licenses that they broadcast or produce a certain number of hours of Canadian content related to the genre of their broadcast service.

That is why you are now seeing shows like CFL Crunch on the tube. The show's production values aren't great, the content isn't great but it's Canadian and the CRTC values and requires that.
robertdudek - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#30074) #
Every sports network needs marquee products - Paul is right that you can't run it with strongman competitions and billiards as your mainstays.

There aren't that many marquee products in the sports world that are affordable. The Blue Jays draw a steady audience, Canada-wide, for over 120 games a year. The CFL can't fill that kind of screen time, so there doesn't appear to be a lot of affordable high-profile stuff you can show during the summer.

It's no accident that more and more baseball teams are showing most of their games on their own networks - that's just good vertical integration.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:56 AM EDT (#30075) #
On an unrelated note, I'm watching the Star Wars DVDs, and instead of digitaly removing the famous goof of the stormtrooper hitting his head on the door like we'd expect from Lucas, he actually enhanced it by putting a very noticable "BONK" soundeffect on it. Funny stuff.

Back to Bob Mc...uh...Bob McCoward. How does he get the job of main sports guy in a city like T.O. when seemingly all he's willing to talk about are US College Football, Boxing, and his stocks. It's like one man's play time being forced upon all during the drive home and some fanboys actually enjoy it!!

PS. I don't think the WWE is even enjoy such great ratings anymore anyways. Definatly not worth the bidding war.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#30076) #
Last night J.P. said he thought the team was still two drafts away. Though I bet he's not excited about finishing in the 5th-7th last range. I'm sure his mouth is watering about the possibilities of a 5th-7th pick.
Does anybody have any info on top prospects for this year/ whether this is a particularly deep draft? Also whether or not J.P. has any provisional picks to work with this year?

He also mentioned the rotation next year might have Bush and Chacin in the 4/5 spot. Pushing Towers to the pen. Though i'm not nuts about Towers starting regularly, is there any opinions of his effectiveness working in the relief role?
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#30077) #
"Anyways, I need to get to school and teach some first year students how to pass on online mulitiple choice quiz that they already have the answers to, but I'll check later to see what people think. :)"

Hey, is there any room left in your class??
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#30078) #
On an unrelated note, I'm watching the Star Wars DVDs, and instead of digitaly removing the famous goof of the stormtrooper hitting his head on the door like we'd expect from Lucas, he actually enhanced it by putting a very noticable "BONK" soundeffect on it. Funny stuff.

I'm slightly disappointed in that, because in Attack of the Clones they threw in this little goofy joke reference to that moment: Jango Fett smacks his head on the doorway of his ship as he's running up the ramp. So, if the troopers are cloned from Fett, well, they're genetically pre-disposed to hitting their heads on doors.

If that wasn't the ultimate "I recognize and appreciate you, fanboys" gesture from George Lucas, I don't know what could be. But then drawing attention to it makes it less of an in-joke, y'know?

Whenever it's slow at work I've been putting those DVDs on the really expensive monitor attached to the computer running my printers. Woo-eee, they look gorgeous.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#30079) #
One more question; in reagrds to Chacin's wind-up. If there's runners on base, does he actually have to stop using that stutter step, or will they let it slide b/c it's part of his normal delivery?

I've heard it both ways and wouldn't mind settling the issue once and for all.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#30080) #
NFH, did you also notice these weird red or green boxes around Tie Fighters on the new DVD's? My friend who is an absolute purist about the series was livid. I figured it was like a tracking system or something, dont remember seeing it the first time around, is it possible it's a glitch?
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:23 PM EDT (#30081) #
Jobu, the green boxes have always been there -- they're the matte lines from compositing the effects. They're invisible when your monitor / TV is properly calibrated. His TV must be too bright.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#30082) #
Ah okay cool NFH. He'll be glad to hear that. He's very much in the against "Hayden at the end of Jedi and Han shooting second" camp. Me personally, I always enjoyed the movies but not in a fanboy kinda way so I didnt really care. Where do you stand?
_Braby - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:30 PM EDT (#30083) #
When there's runners on base he doesn't have a hitch b/c he's throwing off of the rubber and not out of the stretch.
_Loveshack - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#30084) #
If that wasn't the ultimate "I recognize and appreciate you, fanboys" gesture from George Lucas, I don't know what could be. But then drawing attention to it makes it less of an in-joke, y'know?

That's the worst idea since Greedo shoots first.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#30085) #
For the most part I think the changes made to the films are improvements. I think the Han - Greedo scene looks cheap now, but other than that I don't really care.

That said, I own the LaserDiscs of the unaltered versions, too (and also the LaserDiscs of the '97 versions of the Special Editions which are a little different from these).

Are you a big fan? I'm going to run a marathon of the unaltered ones some weekend in the near future. I have a really big TV and a gorgeous sound system.

Stop reading here if you still have illusions that I am not a total loser.

I have a vintage 1983 Ashly FET-500 power amplifier that was purchased by a movie theatre in '83 specifically for the release of Return of the Jedi, to get THX certification. And that's what I use for watching movies.
_Wildrose - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#30086) #
My guess is that Sportsnet is doing quite well financially with its Jays broadcasts. Last week Jeff Blair in an article quoted a MLB source who stated, "the Jays were in the top 5 of all of baseball", in terms of T.V. viewership. Most of the revenue accrued by the Yankee's and Mets is via local TV money and unless Sportsnet is totally incompetent they've got to be doing allright.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#30087) #
"the Jays were in the top 5 of all of baseball",

Wow, i wouldn't have guessed that. Do you know how recent that is??
_Annon - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:43 PM EDT (#30088) #
Quit talking about Star Wars you dorks.

I'm sure there's website where people go to hear that crap.

Not here
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#30089) #
Have you SEEN some of the stuff we talk about here? Star Wars doesn't even break the top 10 on the inappropriate scale ;)
_Loveshack - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#30090) #
I'm sure there's website where people go to hear that crap.

Not here


Yes sir Mr Nazi Policeman sir! Sorry for injecting a little small talk into the roundup, like that never happens. I profusely apologize for forcing you to read 3 or 4 sentences of un-baseball related material.
robertdudek - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#30091) #
This seems like a silly ruling to me. It may be a 'by the book' ruling, but I can't imagine the intent of the rule applies to this situation.

It is precisely the intent of the ruling.

From the point-of-view of the NCAA, hiring an agent bestows professional status on the ballplayer and what they want above all is to maintain the fiction that NCAA sports is a wholy amateur endeavor.

The purpose from MLB's point-of-view is that it exerts pressure on the player to sign. Once Townsend chose an agent, he gave up one of his bargaining chips, namely the right to go back to school and continue to play college baseball. Most players would simply leave school and continue to negotiate; Townsend signed up for classes.

The way it is usually done is that a would-be agent advises the amateur player "free of charge" as a "frined of the family" until the contract is signed. After that he formally becomes the agent of the player. Why Townsend did not choose this route is unclear, but perhaps his agent had this legal challenge in mind all along.
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 12:59 PM EDT (#30092) #
re: TV ratings; it's true, even though ratings are dropping below 225,000 per game it is in the top third of baseball (I believe I read top third, but I'll buy top 5). Think about that number: 225,000. When you have a whole country to screen your games to you can get some pretty gaudy ratings. That would be like 1 in 10 people in San Diego watching a Mariners regional broadcast.

Sure, maybe a CFL game will score a higher rating, but they play once a week. The Jays give you 200,000 per night, over a million viewers per week. This is a big reason why the Jays should be serious about contending. That number could as much as double if the Jays were ultra competitive.

Do these ratings even count the crowded pubs that have the games on? Although passion for the Blue Jays across the country is not what it once was, I can tell you that pretty much every sportish pub in Canada set up with multiple TVs will have the Jays game somewhere, in some corner. When it's not competiting the hockey the Jays will have the show all to themselves.

That's why Canada needs the Blue Jays and they have a future. Imagine summer without them. That's a gaping hole for sports in the hockey off-season.

-Never liked Greedo shooting first. Besides how cheesy it looks, it takes a lot of character out of Han Solo. I used to like it that Han Solo was the type of guy to shoot first. His character lost a lot of edge in that alteration. Lucas has turned into an uber-digital geek.
_BguyRed - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#30093) #
I thought I read somewhere that Townsend was fighting the ruling based on the fact that since he has signed with an agent he is ineligible to play and the rule says something about returning to school where you are eligible or something to that effect. Anybody know more about this?
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#30094) #
That would be like 1 in 10 people in San Diego watching a Mariners regional broadcast

That should be Padres .
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#30095) #
That should be Padres

Yeah, I was staring at that San Diego Mariners line for about a minute trying to think why people in San Diego would be so interested in the Mariners and I just couldnt do it.

Maybe "Annon" is really George Lucas and he's just trying to give us a warning before he sues Battersbox for everything they got. Thats right...the whole dollar twenty five.
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#30096) #
Does anyone else think that this has the potential to be a hell of a day for the Jays? For some reason I have a funny feeling that good things await the Jays...
Pistol - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:05 PM EDT (#30097) #
Does anybody have any info on top prospects for this year/ whether this is a particularly deep draft? Also whether or not J.P. has any provisional picks to work with this year?

Probably early next week I'll have an article on an early look at who the Jays might be considering with their first pick next year.

I don't know about the depth of the 2005 draft, but it doesn't look like it's going to be nearly as pitching heavy as it was this year.

The only way the Jays would get additional picks is if another team signed a UFA that the Jays offered arbitration to. I think the only way that would happen is if Delgado signed with another team prior to the arbitration deadline (similar to Ibanez or Tucker last year).
Pistol - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#30098) #
Once Townsend chose an agent, he gave up one of his bargaining chips, namely the right to go back to school and continue to play college baseball.

The difference in this case is that Townsend isn't going to be playing college baseball. He's just a student at this point.
_Ducey - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#30099) #
Re: Ratings

If you just look at population the Jays ought to be doing well.

States like Minnesota and Colorado have 5 million people. Florida has 17 million but has two teams. Canada is equivalent to California in population but has one team (now) as oppposed to the 5 there.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#30100) #
"Probably early next week I'll have an article on an early look at who the Jays might be considering with their first pick next year."

- I'll be looking forward to it.

"I think the only way that would happen is if Delgado signed with another team prior to the arbitration deadline "

- That'd be cool if it happens. is it likely??

Also, by looking at the prospects comming up, I had the feeling they may be looking for some bats. Is that a reasonable assumption? Or are they likly to go for the best player available?
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#30101) #
Caino, feel free to use your regular handle the next time you want to complain about people using the Roundup thread as a place to discuss whatever is on their minds.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#30102) #
Does anyone else think that this has the potential to be a hell of a day for the Jays? For some reason I have a funny feeling that good things await the Jays...

I love that feeling.

KT, you're welcome to come watch Han shoot first at my place. We'll drink blue milk and everything. But I draw the line at dressing up, so leave your Stormtrooper costume at home.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:29 PM EDT (#30103) #
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=comeuppance
Caino, feel free to use your regular handle the next time you want to complain about people using the Roundup thread as a place to discuss whatever is on their minds.

COMN
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#30104) #
Caino, feel free to use your regular handle the next time you want to complain about people using the Roundup thread as a place to discuss whatever is on their minds.

Burn. Speaking of things that aren't on topic...anyone here ever been to Shea and feel able to advise me on the quality of the various seats available? The dollar just keeps rising, so I feel wealthy...
Mike Green - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#30105) #
http://www.milb.com/insider/?id=2301
Congratulations to Gustavo Chacin and Mike Basso on being named Pitcher of the Year and Manager of the Year in the Eastern League. COMN.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#30106) #
Hey, what does "COMN" mean?
_Annon - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#30107) #
It wasn't me... I mean... Damn.

I hate Star Wars. I'm sorry.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#30108) #
Click On My Name
_Daryn - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:48 PM EDT (#30109) #
Only four Blue Jays are eligible for arbitration, which is extended to players with three years of service time. Those four are Speier, Chris Woodward, Frank Menechino and Bobby Estalella.

When the season ends, Bob File will have two years and 154 days of service, which means the Jays will either offer him arbitration or settle beforehand


What is the status of Towers and Miller??
I thought Towers might be arbration eligible (4 years), but does that go away if you get released at some point?

What about Miller, do we own him for one more season or two before Arbitration?? Does anyone have a link to explain the "Super 2",..

I assume Gomez, Zaun, Myers, Berg, de los Santos are all complete free agents at year end??? No strings?? (unless offered contracts, I assyme Gomez and Zaun might be good fits)

Does the September work count as towards the Jays Salaries for Chacin, League, Adams etc???
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#30110) #
Toronto Life magazine predicted that the Jays would be out of Toronto by 2010

And Toronto Life really knows their sports. Toronto Life also thinks Rick Mercer is the funniest Canadian alive. If it's not about food or fashion, I wouldn't trust a word out of Toronto Life.
_jsoh - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#30111) #
http://www.swchick.com/
To pull it back to SW for a sec..

NFH: Do your 'unaltered' versions have the scene in Ep4 where Luke and Biggs (or maybe it was Wedge) were standing on Tatooine talking, look up and see the battle raging over the planet?

I could have sworn that I saw that in the theatres, but none of the versions released since have it. I even had a SW picture book that had a screen cap of that scene.

And COMN for something a little too fanboyish.
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#30112) #
Does anyone have a link to explain the "Super 2"

The best explanation I've seen is in the Fordin Notes above:

Seventeen percent of players with two years of service time are granted Super 2 status, which gives them an early shot at arbitration. Generally speaking, those players fall into a narrow niche: The historical cutoff point is two years and 128 days of service, while the high side is two years and 140 days.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#30113) #
"Click On My Name"

-Sweet, thanks man.

"Does the September work count as towards the Jays Salaries for Chacin, League, Adams etc???"

- good question. i'm curious about that aswell.
_Rich - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#30114) #
http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=3516
Brilliant line from Joe Sheehan today at BP (COMN):

"One of the aspects of the new way of running a baseball team is not allowing the local media to drive decision-making. If you're going to make the kind of moves necessary to succeed, you have to ignore the papers and sports-talk radio, whose goals--circulation and ratings through controversy--actively hurt you."

He was talking about Paul DePodesta, but could just have easily been talking about JP, the Star, Bob Elliott and the Prime Time Axe Grinders.
_dp - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:03 PM EDT (#30115) #
Tyler-
You should be able to get cheap seats on Craigslist for Shea- you might even be able to find a cheap place to stay on there. Shea's a hole- not much immediately around the park the way there is in Baltimore, Yankee Stadium, Toronto. What else is in the cards for your NYC trip?
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#30116) #
What is the status of Towers and Miller??

Towers came into 2004 with 1 year, 76 days of service time, so he's shy of arbitration. Miller had only 130 days.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#30117) #
"And Toronto Life really knows their sports. Toronto Life also thinks Rick Mercer is the funniest Canadian alive. If it's not about food or fashion, I wouldn't trust a word out of Toronto Life."

- LOL. I got a chuckle out of that.
_dp - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#30118) #
http://newyork.craigslist.org/
sorry forgot- COMN for NYC craigs
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#30119) #
jsoh, that scene was never in any released version of the film. It was shot because studio executives felt that the hero needed to be introduced sooner, instead of spending all this time with these robots at the start.

Of course, they also debated in internal memos whether or not Chewbacca needed pants.
Mike Green - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#30120) #
If it's not about food or fashion, I wouldn't trust a word out of Toronto Life

The restaurant reviews are indeed interesting, but Toronto Life does have good articles on other topics, including occasionally baseball. There was a fine piece on Carlos Delgado a couple of months ago that far surpassed most of what one reads in the daily papers.
_Daryn - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#30121) #
The best explanation I've seen is in the Fordin Notes above:

Thanks Jonny, I guess that is pretty clear, so its a straight "statistical" question... I'd think that it would be pretty easy to predict, so, those guys that got 120-140 days in this year will likely be Arbitration Eligible, while those that get less likely not... "days" are bascially defined as "on the major league roster (or DL?) from April 1 to Sept 30" right?? so there is about 180 in a year????

If you work 100 days in 2003 and 100 days in 2002, is that 1 year plus 20 days?... or Two years???
_Matthew E - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#30122) #
http://www.fametracker.com
If it's the same Toronto Life article I recall, it wasn't quite as bad as all that. The one I'm thinking of was written in 2002 by Adam Sternbergh of Fametracker (COMN) and was fairly even-handed, although, like with the Star, the headline and cover tag was juiced up a bit.
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#30123) #
Thanks dp...honestly, not much else is on the go. This whole trip has been somewhat last minute, so we haven't really planned much. I was disappointed to see that they've cancelled the tours at Yankee Stadium though. As it stands, we'll probably just hit NYC Saturday night and check the place out.
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#30124) #
"days" are bascially defined as "on the major league roster (or DL?) from April 1 to Sept 30" right?

That's my understanding. Not sure if time on the 60-day DL would also count. Craig?

so there is about 180 in a year?

I've heard 180 and I've heard 172.

If you work 100 days in 2003 and 100 days in 2002, is that 1 year plus 20 days

1 year 20. Or maybe 1 year 28.
_Daryn - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:12 PM EDT (#30125) #
Towers came into 2004 with 1 year, 76 days of service time, so he's shy of arbitration. Miller had only 130 days

Thanks, where did you get this?
So if they both stayed up all year and next, (Towers missed a bit)
at the end of 2005
Josh would have 3 yrs 76 days, so Arbitration would kick in
and Miller would have 2 years and 130 days, so he'd have about a 50-50 chance of being a Super 2.. ?
_Prisoner of Ham - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:13 PM EDT (#30126) #
If it's not about food or fashion, I wouldn't trust a word out of Toronto Life.

Have to take issue with you there. I'm associated with Toronto Life. I didn't have anything to do with the story that suggested the Jays would be gone by 2010, but I think that was just a case of going for controversy to grab interest. Not unlike every sports columnist in town.

There are those of us connected to the magazine who take our sports, and our journalism, seriously. No other magazine in Canada is as vigorously fact-checked. Doesn't mean we get everything right. But it's not as if we don't try, or care.
_Tom L - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#30127) #
Caino and Annon are right. This is a great site but sometimes you get idiots in here who get off topic and start talking about Star Wars and other non baseball stuff. He's right if you want ot talk about that crap, go to another form!
_Daryn - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#30128) #
so there is about 180 in a year?
I've heard 180 and I've heard 172.

Thanks, sounds like some of this would be easier to talk about in "days"...

Are Russ Adams, and Chacin ringing up days now?? I'd guess so, wouldn't they?
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#30129) #
if you want ot talk about that crap, go to another form!

One problem, these people who "talk about that crap" run this forum.
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#30130) #
Thanks, where did you get this?

Official Media Guide. I've got it in Acrobat... Ryan01 might remember the internet link for it.

Neither Towers nor Miller has accumulated a full year of service time this year, so those numbers would be lower than what you've listed.
_Loveshack - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#30131) #
Italics begone!
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#30132) #
No, don't get up, I'll fix those italics...
_Lovshack - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#30133) #
or not?
_Mosely - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:18 PM EDT (#30134) #
Of course, they also debated in internal memos whether or not Chewbacca needed pants.

I'm a Star Wars nut. I'm fine with most of the changes they've made to the latest SW releases, but I can't say that I'm too crazy about this new piece of footage (COMN).
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#30135) #
I shouldn't have said that about Toronto Life. I know someone from there as well who is very professional whom I have a high regard for.
_Mosely - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#30136) #
http://history.cookiethievery.com/062804/
Sorry, wrong stupid field (COMN)
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#30137) #
Caino and Annon are right.

Apparently I was a little too subtle for you, Tom L: Caino and Annon are the same guy. As far as I'm concerned, almost everything goes in the Roundup threads as far as topics. It's your daily opportunity to talk about whatever you want to talk about, and we'd prefer you do it here and keep the other threads on-topic.

Note that this is my opinion, not an official Batter's Box policy.
Mike Green - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#30138) #
Courtesy of Lee Sinins in the Hardball Times today:

"2) Indians P Kyle Denney was shot in the right calf when a bullet hit the team bus, while another player was graced"

The Lord takes a special interest in ballplayers at this time of year :)
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#30139) #
Caino and Annon are right. This is a great site but sometimes you get idiots in here who get off topic and start talking about Star Wars and other non baseball stuff. He's right if you want ot talk about that crap, go to another form!

How many times can I be called an idiot on Batter's Box in one year? If you count e-mails to me, a lot of times. Well, I guess this cements my status as Resident Idiot.
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#30140) #
I laughed at that too, Green.
robertdudek - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#30141) #
Hmm, could it be Mike D. trying to win the Indians bet ;-)
_Daryn - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#30142) #
Sorry about the Italics, and thanks for the Education..

I've seen that link for the media guide, but I don't have the document... usually I buy the hardcopy version.

if anyone can remember it, please list it
_Moffatt - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:30 PM EDT (#30143) #
Did anyone catch the headline on Fark today?

Bullet strikes Cleveland pitcher Kyle Denney in the leg after grazing another player. Police rule it a double play.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#30144) #
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040930/GILLICK30/TPSports/Baseball
Hey guys,

I have been reading daily since my wife's passing and now is the time to get back into posting.

Thanks for having a great Jays site to keep me interested in something and helping keep me sane.

Jeff

Minaya likes Tosca as a possible Manager.

COMN:

"A source close to Minaya said former Blue Jays manager Carlos Tosca could be on a list of potential Mets managers."
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#30145) #
Welcome back, Jeff.
_Wildrose - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#30146) #
Further to TV ratings the Yankee's on the Yes network are averaging 309,804 households in 2004. As Keith pointed out the Jays average is about 225,000, down somewhat from prior years.

How much broadcast revenue does Rogers make off the Jays? This is very hard to determine. Doug Pappas in this article tried to examine this complex issue.

What we do know via publically available information is that this year the Jays TV ratings are 27% smaller than that of the Yankees. Now I'm sure the two markets are vastly different, but in 2001 the Yanks are estimated to have made 56 million from TV/radio, the Jays 14 million. If the two markets were similar( a big if I realize)the Jays should have been making 40.8 million, not the 14 million as claimed. Perhaps legitimate reasons exist for this discrepancy,perhaps not.

At any rate it would seem the Jays do have a fair degree of value as a broadcast entity.
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#30147) #
Had to smile when I saw that note on Tosca-I think that there just might be something to that. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he's the manager next year in NY.
_Wildrose - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#30148) #
Here's the link to Doug's article.I'm not sure why but sometimes on grey matter when I go back to edit I've lost my original post?
_MatO - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#30149) #
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/tor/history/media_guides.jsp
COMN for Blue Jay Media Guides in pdf format for the years 2001-2004.
_Daryn - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#30150) #
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/tor/downloads/y2004_mediaguide/bluejays_media_guide_2004.pdf
I've seen that link for the media guide, but I don't have the document... usually I buy the hardcopy version.

if anyone can remember it, please list it


Found it COMN
or
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/tor/downloads/y2004_mediaguide/bluejays_media_guide_2004.pdf
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#30151) #
Who the hell is Tom L and why does he think he knows what he's talking about?

NFH: The starwars sportsclix looked absolutley stellar. I'm still trying to convince some of my loser friends to buy an MLB starter kit so I'll have someone to play with.

Just went for a mini country drive. It is a disgustingly beautiful day out. Days like this make me think we should organize a battersbox softball game.
_Ryan01 - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:03 PM EDT (#30152) #
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/tor/downloads/y2004_mediaguide/bluejays_media_guide_2004.pdf
Official Media Guide. I've got it in Acrobat... Ryan01 might remember the internet link for it.

It took a little digging but I found it. COMN.

Also some more notes of interest from the CBA:
One full day of Major league service will be creduted for each day of the championship season a Player is on a Major League Club's Active List. A total of 172 days of Major League credited service will constitute one full year of credited service.

**A player may not be credited with more than one year of credited service, 172 days, in one championship season.**


Jeff, its great to see you back.
_Braby - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#30153) #
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd=20040929&content_id=875100&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp
COMN -- its official sorry if this has already been reported on this thread.
Pistol - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#30154) #
Further to TV ratings the Yankee's on the Yes network are averaging 309,804 households in 2004. As Keith pointed out the Jays average is about 225,000, down somewhat from prior years.

I don't think that Yankee number is correct. I think that's the average number in NYC. For the Red Sox series this weekend the YES network had an average of 501,588 households in NYC.

YES covers at least most of, if not all, of NY state, and at least half of Connecticut. I imagine that they cover all of NJ as well.
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#30155) #
Also some more notes of interest from the CBA...

Ryan, is that in the Media Guide?
Pistol - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#30156) #
"I think the only way that would happen is if Delgado signed with another team prior to the arbitration deadline "

- That'd be cool if it happens. is it likely??


I don't think it's too likely, maybe 20% tops, but you never know.
_perlhack - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#30157) #
Had to smile when I saw that note on Tosca... It wouldn't surprise me at all if he's the manager next year in NY.

That sounds like Schadenfreude to me! :-)
I'm not sure if I should be happy for him, or pity him.

I'm laughing, but it's a laugh of impatience...
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#30158) #
Jeff Geauvreau : WELCOME BACK, JEFF!!! Great to see you here. I enjoyed talking with you last month also...

Keith Talent : TV ratings; it's true, even though ratings are dropping below 225,000 per game it is in the top third of baseball (I believe I read top third, but I'll buy top 5). Me too. The Jays have a huge "local" TV market (one of the very nice things that MLB did for Toronto and Montreal).

Mike Green : Congratulations to Gustavo Chacin and Mike Basso on being named Pitcher of the Year and Manager of the Year in the Eastern League. COMN. WOW! What an honour for both men. We'll post a front page story.

Daryn : Miller would have 2 years and 130 days, so he'd have about a 50-50 chance of being a Super 2.. ? Miller spent some time in the minors this season, so he will have less than 1 year 130 days at the end of this year. Does anyone know the dates of Miller's demotion(s) and promotion(s) from Syracuse?

Jonny German : Not sure if time on the 60-day DL would also count. Craig? Yes. 60-day DL time is service time in most circumstances - I forget the exact mechanics. So Bob File had over two years' service time going into this past year, even though he had just over a year of actual big-league time.

Tom L : I'm in a good mood today, so I won't ban you. But please do NOT order people around on here telling them what to talk about and not talk about. Caino has learned his lesson.

Everyone : Generally, anything goes topic-wise in the lounge, try not to work overly blue but otherwise if you want to talk fishing or particle physics or needlepoint, go nuts. Even hockey. Try to keep non-baseball stuff out of the other threads.

PoH : Toronto Life? I'm very, very sorry. My condolences.
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#30159) #
I'm getting Primer back on the brain. By "lounge", I of course mean Roundup thread.
_dp - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#30160) #
As it stands, we'll probably just hit NYC Saturday night and check the place out.

Tyler, check out the village, 3rd street, bleeker street for live jazz/blues/ect on saturday night. you can have a good time just randomly walking around, but having some kind of plan helps. if you like drinking, doing a bar crawl from the west village to the east village is a blast (the last canadians i hosted did that and barely made it home!).

Have fun.

re: tosca
This can't happen, can it? I really don't like the guy- don't like his in-game strategy, don't think he utilizes guys to the best of their ability, is too fickle with the pen. Minaya's going to trash the franchise even worse than it already is no matter what, so I guess it doesn't matter who's managing the team.
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#30161) #
Does anyone know the dates of Miller's demotion(s) and promotion(s) from Syracuse?

April 1: Outrighted RHP Justin Miller to Triple-A Syracuse.
April 25: Purchased the contract of RHP Justin Miller from Triple-A Syracuse...
June 1: ...placed RHP Justin Miller on the 15-day disabled list with a right hamstring strain.
August 4: ..,activated RHP Justin Miller from disabled list.
From the official site.

There's something screwy in ESPN's game logs. Miller, on April 25 has the following: "Previously with CLE, Acquired by TOR". Huhh??

I highly recommend going through MLB's transaction logs from 2001-2003. Great fun if you want to see Chris Michalak's name again.
_Tyler - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#30162) #
dp, you have an email? Something I'd like to pass on...
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#30163) #
So Miller will have 1 years, 113 days, about that. He should be OK on the super-two front for 2006 even if he gets a full year in '05.

(Stints of less than 20 days in the minors, incidentally, count as Active List time).
_Wildrose - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:47 PM EDT (#30164) #
Actually the numbers are quite accurate. Here's the pertinent link.I think your confusing the bulge in numbers with the Yankee/Boston series with the overall seasonal average.
_Wayne H. - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#30165) #
In the interest of helping everyone be happy. By the way, isn't Annon some United Nations guy?

-----------

And so it came to pass, the Stormtroopers, respecting the home run power of the newly pantsed Chewbacca, gave him the intentional walk. As Chewy lumbered to first, hitching up his unfamiliar garb, he grunted in his usual way.

Upset at being the target of an intentional walk, and thought to be the less capable hitter, Han Solo dug into the batter's box.

"Shoot first, you Empire scum, " he yelled.

With a slight distraction from a bikini clad Princess Leah, the Stormtrooper hurler tossed a cookie, that even JarJar could hit...well...almost, anyway.

Solo launched a home run that bounced off the parked Millenium Falcon, beyond the right field wall. He grimaced at the possible dent, thinking his insurance premiums to the Hutt were already behind.

The win sure felt good though.

------

Star Wars meets baseball...appropriate themes for one and all.
_dp - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#30166) #
thereyago
Mike D - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#30167) #
Hmm, could it be Mike D. trying to win the Indians bet ;-)

Hey, what did I miss? You know, it's--Kyle Denney? I was aiming for Hafner!

By the way, how close is our bet right now? A Tribe sweep this weekend and I lose. Two or three Twins wins and I win. Two Cleveland wins and it's a wash, even after 162 games.

Tyler, feel free to e-mail me for Shea tips, parking tips, nightlife, etc. COMN for my e-mail address.
_#2JBrumfield - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#30168) #
Jeff, I just wanted to join everyone else and say welcome back.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#30169) #
The win sure felt good though.

Not if the Bespin guard has anything to say about it

Mike D - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#30170) #
Mark Prior has struck out 14 Reds in 6 2/3 IP, and hasn't even gotten his pitch count up.

BUT...with only a Sosa solo shot in support, Prior gives up his third hit of the game -- a homer to Cub-killer Austin Kearns.

Tied at Wrigley in the seventh!
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#30171) #
Why the hell is Bob Mc"D" saying "he told you so" about the Varsity stadium failure? I recall listening specifcaly to him saying the best choice was Varsity stadium because he wants some thing to do after the game.... what a... (explative deleated)
_Ryan01 - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#30172) #
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/spo/mlbpa/mlbpa_cba.pdf
is that in the Media Guide?

Jonny, no its from the 2003-2006 Collective Bargaining Agreement. COMN for an online version.
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#30173) #
I know Jobu. Bob McDB said not that long ago that Varsity was a great idea. I imagine we'll be seeing some more of this selective memory from Elliot/Griffin/nameless Star headline writer:

2000 - Delgado only good player on Jays, team sucks
2001 - Delgado has no hustle, needs to be traded
2002 - Delgado has no hustle, Mondesi had hustle but statfreak GM traded him
2003/2004 - The great Carlos Delgado is going to leave this team he has never been a JP guy
2005 - Delgado having great year, says Toronto treated him poorly*

* He would never say this. Remember that bizarre headline -- "Phelps wants to play for a contender" - in a DiManno story this year?
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#30174) #
Jobu, was that you on with Bobcat? I didn't hear the name, but this guy was praising SkyDome and he mentioned something about going to an Argos game.

Maybe I'm wrong...if you had called in, you would have mentioned Thrillhouse. ;)
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#30175) #
No, alas that was not me, but that caller had some good points. I'm so tempted to call in to the mighty Wilner's show and ask him to say Thrillhouse in person, but I don't want to piss him off.

Like the caller, I think Skydome is a good stadium and Bob McDB's arguement that "the 100's are too sloped" is not a good enough argument.

I think a non downtown stadium opens the possibilities of large parking lots and tailgates, which I would love.
_David A - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#30176) #
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpcDBuM2RlBF9TAzk1ODYxNzc3BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-indians-pitchershot&prov=ap&type=lgns
As part of a rookie hazing ritual, Denney was wearing a USC cheerleader's outfit, including the high white boots, on the trip to the airport.

``Our trainers said the boots may have saved Kyle from further injury,'' team spokesman Bart Swain said.

An Oklahoma native, Denney said his teammates chose the outfit because the Sooners are ranked second behind USC in the AP's college football poll.


COMN for the article, the rest of the story is pretty well known at this point.
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#30177) #
Like the caller, I think Skydome is a good stadium

As do I, sort of:
SkyDome, dome open: Great stadium.
SkyDome, dome closed: Terrible stadium.
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#30178) #
Remember that bizarre headline -- "Phelps wants to play for a contender" - in a DiManno story this year?

Rosie DiManno is likely to say anything at any time. Her articles appear to be created by reversing some sort of busted NatLang parsing system from the 1970s. Anyone else remember the one she wrote earlier this year, apparently about Tosca giving a speech in the clubhouse, that contained the sentence

I didn't realize the Jays actually stood for anything, value-wise, except maybe value for the dollar in a financially two-tiered baseball division where the gluttonous high rollers have gone spendthrift gaga.

Which I still don't think anyone has figured out yet? There was also her article from opening day, which included the immotral phrase

a cellar-mice distinction admittedly now relegated to the annals of the recent past, as in 2003

which got me so enervated trying to figure out what it meant that I suggested that "they ought to sail her out to the middle of the lake and just toss her in."
_Tom L - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#30179) #
The Jays are going to miss Carlos more than they think. It doesnt matter what anyone thinks but he is one of the most feared hitters in the game. These guys do not grow on trees. I have no idea how they are going to replace him. Adam dunn? Give me a break! I dont know why more people are not harping on Ted Rogers. This billion dollar magnate seems like hes sastified with medioracy. Reminds me alot of Jeremy Jacobs, owner of the Boston Bruins!
It's a fact, we'll never be able to compete with Boston and NY without an increase in payroll. Not in the AL east at least.
It truly scares me to think of a lineup without Carlos manning 1st.
Ted Rogers talks about how much he wants to win, but until he puts his money where his mouth is, to me his jibberish means nothing more than a Liberal campaign speech!
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#30180) #
The story about the rookie who was shot while wearing the USC cheerleader's uniform on the road trip will definitely, definitely go down as a highlight in baseball history.

I love the fact that the thigh-high white leather go-go boots appear to have saved him from further injury.

I'm telling you, you CANNOT make this stuff up. I've been doodling at a screenplay the past year or so; I'd never have been able to put something like that in it, people wouldn't find it believable.
_Four Seamer - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:56 PM EDT (#30181) #
The story about the rookie who was shot while wearing the USC cheerleader's uniform on the road trip will definitely, definitely go down as a highlight in baseball history.

It also explains why they didn't take him to the hospital. When I read the story this morning, I couldn't for the life of me figure out why a professional ballplayer with a bullet wound would let the trainer remove the bullet, rather than go immediately to a hospital. Is the training staff really insured for that kind of thing?

Now I understand.
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 04:58 PM EDT (#30182) #
I've been doodling at a screenplay the past year or so; I'd never have been able to put something like that in it, people wouldn't find it believable.

Don't think you'll get off with just a passing reference to a screenplay! Does it involve cuttlefish? Is is based on this?
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#30183) #
"SkyDome, dome closed: Terrible stadium"

I've been in a number of closed dome stadiums: the Kingdome, BC Place, the Sapporo Dome, Olympic Stadium, by far SkyDome is the best closed dome stadium I've ever been in. No comparison. It's so well lit. All the other domes I've seen on TV look dead on TV, SkyDome - even when closed - looks bright. And given that the SkyDome is only closed when the weather's lousy outside, I would much rather sit inside SkyDome than outside in some freezing drizzle.
_Nicolas from Qu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#30184) #
"There aren't that many marquee products in the sports world that are affordable. The Blue Jays draw a steady audience, Canada-wide, for over 120 games a year."

Not true, I have only been able to watch a handful of Jays games because of the blackout for Sportsnet East. I'm hoping that this will change next year now that my Sexpos are gone.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:03 PM EDT (#30185) #
"Why the hell is Bob Mc"D" saying "he told you so" about the Varsity stadium failure? I recall listening specifcaly to him saying the best choice was Varsity stadium because he wants some thing to do after the game.... what a... (explative deleated)"

-I actually think he was a supporter of a York U venue. This on account of lack of parking downtown, and an arguement that the majority of Argos fans actually reside in the 905.

If my memory serves me correctly. However, I could be wrong.
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#30186) #
It involves baseball quite heavily, it's not about baseball, people do actually get shot (off screen), and it's based on an awesome idea.

But right now, it sucks. A lot. You'll see it in a few years, I hope.
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#30187) #
the SkyDome is only closed when the weather's lousy outside

And for the whole of the first two months of the year. I hate that.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#30188) #
As per my recolection, he badmouthed York for not having anything to do around the stadium after the game. Then said he didn't like to drive downtown but at least there's something to do, which was what I was basing my attack on.

Aside from having the argos on campus, I'd love the York idea if it produces some kind of tailgating....ANYTHING! Damnit I want to make a BBQ out of my van!
_Keith Talent - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:11 PM EDT (#30189) #
What's the deal with that Sportsnet East blackout anyway? Isn't just Montreal area blackout? Why? It's not like there are Expos games on TV instead of Jays games, just no baseball.
Craig B - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#30190) #
It's not like there are Expos games on TV instead of Jays games

There are, though, aren't there? Did RDS stop carrying Expos games?
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#30191) #
"The Jays are going to miss Carlos more than they think. It doesnt matter what anyone thinks but he is one of the most feared hitters in the game. These guys do not grow on trees. I have no idea how they are going to replace him. Adam dunn? Give me a break!"

- Yes, The Jays will miss him. And yes, He's one of the most feared hitters. However, so is A-Rod. With him Texas was 71/91 (%.438), and now they have 87 wins. I'm not saying who they have now is better than A-rod, the guy's defending AL M.V.P. But they doing better with out him.

Personally I'm a proponant of getting rid of Carlos, but not b/c I think he isn't good. He's probly my faveriote baseball player. But I also recognize that my faveriote baseball team maybe better off with the money spent on other players.

Like J.P. said last nite, their in last place with Carlos. seems to me they can't get much worse.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#30192) #
A Jays game on TV might stop people from attending a 'spos game in person. I think that's part of the thinking.

Anyways, it's territorial and I can't imagine that you'd have the same problem next year.

The "regional" Mariners games on Sportsnet West are blacked out in Toronto, but all the other games, which Sportsnet has national rights to, are not.

And while I'm on the topic, I love the letter-code names for Sportsnet East and Sportsnet Ontario in the StarChoice onscreen TV guide:

SNETE
SNETO

"Hey, honey, why don't you check what's on sneet?"
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#30193) #
Jobu; Your probly right. I'm not a huge Bobcat fan. But ya, York would be pretty good for a tailgate. And if it's a Wed game people could always go to pub night. I went last year and had an O.K. time...
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#30194) #
The CEO of SkyDome is on PrimeTime next, on the FAN 590 and "sneet."
Mike D - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#30195) #
RBI double for Javier Valentin, and the Reds take a 2-1, twelfth-inning lead on those fading Cubs.
_Magpie - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#30196) #
the SkyDome is only closed when the weather's lousy outside

They are starting to lossen up over the last couple of years. For some reason, very early someone seemed to decide that the roof will only be open when the weather is perfect. Not any more. I've had to keep my jacket on with the roof open lately - never used to happen.

Course, I could be getting old...
_Magpie - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:44 PM EDT (#30197) #
"lossen up?" loosen up.

Remind me to preview these things before I post them.
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:46 PM EDT (#30198) #
Wow. I didn't see Bark Prior's line until now.

9IP 3H 1R 1BB 16K 113 pitches.

Yeeah, I think he's back. Too bad for the Cubs, it might not matter.
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#30199) #
Uh, yeah, that would be Mark Prior. Score that one a two-base error.

Magpie: "Remind me to preview these things before I post them."

Moi Aussi.
Mike D - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#30200) #
It indeed might not matter. Another loss to those wily Reds is in the books, and Chicago drops a full game back of the Astros.
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#30201) #
I like Bark Prior better, but that's just me. I also like Carlos Deluged, Frank Mention, and Jason Friseur. ;)
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 05:58 PM EDT (#30202) #
If I had a dog, I'd name him Bark Prior.

Actually, I do have a dog, and that's not his name, but if I get another dog...yeah...
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#30203) #
"I like Bark Prior better, but that's just me. I also like Carlos Deluged, Frank Mention, and Jason Friseur. ;)"

Meh, they're all right. I prefer Frank Catalanado.
_Caino - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#30204) #
Hey, does anybody know what the Rangers did with the A-rod money? Did they get more guys after the trade, or just pocket the difference?
_Jonny German - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#30205) #
So Cat's your faveriote?
_Tom "The F - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#30206) #
Hey, does anybody know what the Rangers did with the A-rod money? Did they get more guys after the trade, or just pocket the difference?

What money?
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#30207) #
Jonny, dont be rediculous.
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#30209) #
Man, you guys sure suck at speeling and grammer today.
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:25 PM EDT (#30210) #
"Leading edge?" We've been pushing the IM agenda here for months now!

BATISTA THROW STRIKES NOW. LOL GIBBY.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#30211) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
But I draw the line at dressing up, so leave your Stormtrooper costume at home.


You know, NFH, you say that, but then I find this on the Jays fan of the game page:



Towers has a lot on the line tonight: a good start and he can finish with 10 wins and an ERA below 5, which will make him much more attractive to other teams than if he gets roughed up.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#30212) #
Get used to that site. If Skydome Security keeps going the way it does, it's only a matter of time before you Sky-troopers partolling the Skydome.

"*radio garble* you're in section 522. The ticket specifies you stay in 521. Take him to the brig."
"NOOOOOOOO!"
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:51 PM EDT (#30213) #
A question for anyone:

Who leads the Blue Jays with 8.42 strikeouts per 9 innings? The answer will shock you.
_Jim - TBG - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#30214) #
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com
I'll guess Terry Adams.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:56 PM EDT (#30215) #
I had to check, so I'll disqualify myself from guessing. But the answer is quite commical.
_Loveshack - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#30216) #
Who leads the Blue Jays with 8.42 strikeouts per 9 innings? The answer will shock you.

That would be the same guy who is 3rd on the team in WHIP (discounting all the new callups). Behind only Speier and Bush.
Named For Hank - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#30217) #
It's not Menechino, is it?

I don't own a Stormtrooper helmet, but not because I don't want one...
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#30218) #
Unrelated side note: I used to work at a fairly large movie theater called Famous Players Colossus. As with today's eye sore theatres they filled the lobby with generic movie knock-off paraphenalia. One of the things they had was a Stormtrooper above a hallway just looking down upon the lobby. After a year of working there I found out that there is actually a camera inside the helmet filming the entire lobby through the eye. I dont know if that's more creepy or clever.
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#30219) #
Well, I was going to guess Mike Nakamura, but there's no way he has a good WHIP. I'll go with Chulk.
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#30220) #
The answer to Rob's question will shock you. But the answer to this:

Which Blue Jay has the most hits this year

Will amaze you.
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#30221) #
Which Blue Jay has the most hits this year

Gotta be a guy with low walk totals who hasn't been injured.

Jobu asked the question soo....I'll go with Reed Johnson.
_Ryan Lind - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:14 PM EDT (#30222) #
My oh my, I knew Hinske has had a bad season, but I did not realize that SLG% had dipped below .400. Ouch. Where have all the doubles gone?
_Jobu - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:21 PM EDT (#30223) #
Well done Ryan! Sparky leads the team in Hits and Hussle. You win an Elite Stormtrooper!
_Daryn - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#30224) #
Frank the BIG M.
_Rob - Thursday, September 30 2004 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#30225) #
"Who leads the Blue Jays with 8.42 strikeouts per 9 innings? The answer will shock you."

Jim: I'll guess Terry Adams.
7.33 for him. Not quite.

Aaron: It's not Menechino, is it?
0.00. Ooh, so close. ;)

Ryan: Well, I was going to guess Mike Nakamura, but there's no way he has a good WHIP. I'll go with Chulk.
Ha! Mike Nakamura: 8.42 K/9, 1.32 WHIP. Only 25 innings over 19 games, but still.

Ryan Lind, for changing his mind and going with another answer, wins the following picture:
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