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Will they be celebrating in Boston tonight? It's Lowe vs. Marquis in tonight's tilt in St. Louis. Does anybody know who will be on Mike Wilner's pre-pre-game show?
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_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#22738) #
I don't know who the guest is offhand, but I predict Mr. Wilner himself will tell you in approximately 38 minutes.

Wait, was it Speier? Wiener Milk said something last night about Speier, or Halladay. Don't remember which. I know it's not Vernon Wells, though...
Mike D - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#22739) #
Posted this comment in the Roundup thread, but it fits better here.

Would the Red Sox have won the 2004 World Series if they had hired Billy Beane in fall 2002?

According to Michael Lewis, Beane had the following plan in place for the Red Sox:

* Trade Shea Hillenbrand
* Sign Edgardo Alfonzo to play second
* Sign Bill Mueller to play third
* Trade Jason Varitek
* Sign Mark Johnson to catch
* Permanently make Manny Ramirez the DH, sign a better glove for LF
* Send Kevin Youkilis to Oakland as compensation for Beane

Theo Epstein made two of these moves, but I would submit that -- against the odds, to be sure -- the Red Sox are better off having been rejected by Billy Beane.

They still have Varitek and Youkilis, and with Manny DHing they may not have pursued David Ortiz as aggressively.
_Ryan C - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 06:06 PM EDT (#22740) #
I dont know, depends who they were going to get for Hillenbrand and Varitek, and who they were going to sign to play LF. Any ideas?
Craig B - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#22741) #
They probably could have done OK for Varitek, but his trade value is probably higher now than it was in 2002 despite being two years older. They wouldn't have had a big dropoff offensively... Mirabelli has hit very well the last two years and would have beat out Johnson. But then they'd have needed to replace Mirabelli with Johnson as well.

Surely they could have done well for Hillenbrand. As it turns out, they didn't do well in the Hillenbrand trade because Kim has been useless this season, but that's more hindsight.

Who know what would have happened with Manny had the distractions of this past offseason not occurred. I get a funny feeling that Manny was primed to go nuclear on the league (back to his 2000 or 2002 numbers), but was brought back to earth by the events of this season. He still did fine, so no net harm done.

I don't think anyone can deny that Epstein has done well. It's interesting to see what will happen with their farm system, though. The Sox are drafting right out of a spreadsheet - unlike Toronto, for example, the Red Sox are essentially now drafting pure saber darlings with almost every pick.
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#22742) #
...they may not have pursued David Ortiz as aggressively.

Did they really pursue him all that aggressively? If I recall, it was the first off-season when players were being heavily non-tendered and the Red Sox spent something like $2.5M on DH candidates Ortiz (1.5) and Giambi (1.0), presumably figuring that if one tanked they had a plan B. DH types took a big hit that off-season. I think Fullmer signed for $1M as well.
_Mike Wilner - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#22743) #
Guillermo Quiroz will be our guest tonight, live from Venezuela!
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:05 PM EDT (#22744) #
Yeowch.....who's picking up that bill?
_Bell Canada - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#22745) #
http://www.bell.ca
You.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#22746) #
ahhhh.....damnit.
_Pete Warren - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#22747) #
Wow, Mr Quiroz speaks better English than I thought he would.
_Ryan C - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:09 PM EDT (#22748) #
The Sox are drafting right out of a spreadsheet

This is an interesting comment. How do you know this? I believe you but Im curious to see where this came out. Seems rather risky and it makes me a whole lot more interested in watching the Sox farm system.
_Cristian - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:13 PM EDT (#22749) #
Does Albert Pujols have a nickname? I haven't heard one myself. I was watching Game 3 with my younger, non-baseball fan brother and he suggested Albert "The Chocolate Starfish" Pujols. I think it's brilliant and fell on the floor laughing.

Apologies to those who get the reference
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#22750) #
Wow.... GQ and the Flyin' Hawiian are having a raging battle over king of the "you know"s.
_Jabonoso - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#22751) #
Pujols nicknames: El gordo, Principe Alberto and by the Cardinals radio " The Machine"
_Jabonoso - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#22752) #
Where do you hear GQ ?
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#22753) #
http://www.battersbox.ca/archives/00002204.shtml
COMN for BB's Quiroz interview. I forgot that his first pro season was in Medicine Hat, of all places.

Venezuela to Alberta, at 17 years old. I'm 17 and there is no way I could move to South America on my own right now, not knowing the language.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:28 PM EDT (#22754) #
fan590.com
_Jabonoso - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#22755) #
Is GQ going to play winter ball? for how long?
_Vernons Biggest - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#22756) #
The Baltimore Orioles have re-signed Rafael Palmeiro to a one year deal. Would this mean that they are no longer one of the favorites that Delgado may sign with, if in fact, he is not re-signed by the Jays?
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#22757) #
Ok. Those clips of 'Tek as a little league shortstop was comedy GOLD!
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:07 PM EDT (#22758) #
Now. On the other hand, this Baseball Jesus/Millar sketch is just freakin lame.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:10 PM EDT (#22759) #
The Orioles need two 1B/DH types, so there's still room for one more. David Newhan lead the Orioles in DH appearances last year with *32* and Newhan is a guy who can play pretty much any position (though not necessarily well).
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:19 PM EDT (#22760) #
Haha, DiamondCam has the announcers, but they don't know they're on that feed....

"How much till we're on Petey"
"Remind me that we're going to show clips of the fans hoping there's still hope"
"Testing 1, 2, 3"
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#22761) #
Now they're doing funny voices!! hahaha....
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:26 PM EDT (#22762) #
It's probably just me, but I love how Jon Miller reads the lineups:

"David Ortiz, first base.
Mark Bellhorn, second base.
Derek Lowe, pitcher."

It's the way he says it, it sounds cool...to me, anyway.

Jobu: Yadier Molina is in the game!
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#22763) #
Baseball Jesus strikes again. Crikey!
Thomas - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#22764) #
Quick hook. Get Haren in there.
_Hamboy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#22765) #
And Baseball Jesus strikes again!
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#22766) #
McCarver: "One thing about ground balls - they dont go out of the ball park"

Timmy obviously hasnt played MLB Baseball for the Mattel Intellivision. If he had, he'd obviously know how approximately 20% of all bunts go out of the park.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#22767) #
"From New England to Baghdad, Red Sox fans love the start for Boston tonight." -- Joe Buck

Does that comment strike anyone else as...odd?
Still, I'm loving this DiamondCam -- but I wouldn't want it all the time. Every batted ball, I don't see.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#22768) #
What. The. Hell.

Did Larry Walker just bunt?
_Hamboy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#22769) #
Is that La Russa's small ball? sacrificing their best hitting player of the series? I'm sure La Russa's a smarter man than I, but I don't get it...
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#22770) #
You're kidding right? That didnt just happen, did it?

Larry Walker bunting??!?!? In the first innning?

Red Sox are taking this game. No other possibility. The world has become unhinged. On preview - well. maybe he was trying to scratch out a hit, but still...
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#22771) #
Heh. Rolen dives instead of pulling the Arod slapdown routine.
_Hamboy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#22772) #
What? no karate chop to Lowe's glove? Oh, that's right, A-Rod already trademarked that move...
_lurd - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#22773) #
Marquis falling behind everyone. Going to be a long night for him.
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#22774) #
There are times and places for sacrifice bunts. That was not one.
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#22775) #
Jobu! Where's Jobu?

We desparately need to get Walt Jocketty and Bill Stoneman in a room together to work out a trade. How much longer must we endure the unbearable sight of Los Tres Molinas toiling for different teams.

I got it. Its perfect. Angels send Molina's Uno and Dos to St. Louis for Matheny and ummm. uhhhh. Suppan. Yeah. Suppan. There are no losers in this deal.

  • Jobu gets A Very Special Reunion Episode of Too Many Molinas

  • St. Louis gets an orgiastic manager as TLR gets to satisfy his 3 catcher fetish without having to learn different names.

  • Suppan goes to a place where he doesnt have to run the bases.

  • Anaheim clears the decks for Jeff Mathis


This needs to happen. Jobu! Make this happen!
_Hamboy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#22776) #
Hmm... I wonder how many ex-Les Expos are playing this world series...

Pedro
Walker
Cabrera
....
_Ryan C - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#22777) #
Am I the only one seeing the Blue Jays Flex Pack being advertised behind homeplate?

I assume that was digitally put in by Sportsnet and that the Jays aren't actually paying for advertising space behind homeplate in St Louis.
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#22778) #
How on earth is Manny out by *that much* on that ball? Heck. Pujols could have turned two, he had so much time.

And on that replay, it almost looked like Pujols' throw was about to take off Varitek's head.
_lurd - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#22779) #
Keep playing with fire, ya gonna get burned.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#22780) #
Nixon's the one...
_Hamboy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#22781) #
Who would've thought Nixon got a green light on 3-0.... wow...
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#22782) #
Jobu is busy studying for an exam tommorow, title graphics to soon be brought to you by NFH.

3-0 in the third? This is possibly the least entertaining series I've ever seen.
_Willy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#22783) #
...David Newhan lead the Orioles in DH appearances...

Aww, Moffat! Just after I complimented you on working on your spelling in the other thread, you mess this one up: the past tense of the verb "lead" is "led". You have to focus, man.
_Moffatt - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:27 PM EDT (#22784) #
I heard something on the CBC today about the impact of sleep deprivation on doctors. The above proves that economists are also not immune to a lack of sleep.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#22785) #
Molinas! only have to sleep 22 minutes a day to function perfectly.
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#22786) #
That does it, Moffatt! 20 sentences in the Roundup tomorrow:

"The ant led its army to war."

And no, that is not political commentary :).
_lurd - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#22787) #
It is considered a foregone conclusion in Boston that Lowe is gone after this series. Detroit, Texas and Baltimore have been named as possible suitors. Can anyone think of any dark horse canidates?

Any chance Tampa Bay gets involved?
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#22788) #
I wonder about pinch-hitting for Marquis in the 3rd. He's already thrown 72 pitches, and he's been awfully ineffective. Surely, there's somebody out there in the Cards bullpen who could throw as well or better.
_lurd - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#22789) #
Haren was effective in game 1.
_lurd - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#22790) #
Do my eyes deceive me, or has fox cut down the fan/crowd shots for this game?
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#22791) #
I think Manny was angling for a guest role on Too Many Molinas. I dont know why he was talking with an actual Molina tho. I would have thought that Jobu or NFH would have been a better bet.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#22792) #
In 1987, St Louis won 95 games and made into the WS. None of their starters won more than 11 games. No one pitched 200 IP.

In the WS they lost to a Minnesota team that threw two big-time starting pitchers at them - Frank Viola and Bert Blyleven.

Strange, but true.

Actually, the 2004 rotation is more impressive than the 1987 group.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#22793) #
Yay, St. Louis!
Remove the Red Sox History here, and this is one sucky WS.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#22794) #
I would imagine the opening to Too Many Molinas! would be played to the tune from "Greatest American Hero" or "Who's the Boss?" and would feature various shots of the brothers mugging to camera followed by

Starring:
Bengie As the older brother
Jose As the forgotten middle one
Yadier As the adorable younger brother

and

Dan as Dad

Co-Starring

Tavarez As the crazy landlord
Bob Uecker Uncle Molina
(you bauxites can add in more)

Directed by : Named for Hank

(my production company logo flashes on screen for 2 seconds) "Sit Jobu, sit"

Viacom logo.
Mike Green - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#22795) #
Actually, the 2004 rotation is more impressive than the 1987 group.

Actually, there are lot of similarities between the two rotations. Despite the lack of wins, the 87 crew all pitched a little above average (ERA+ in the 105-110 range). Like this year's rotation, none had overpowering stuff. John Tudor was the best of the lot, and he only pitched half a season that year.

Actually I get a knot in my stomach just thinking about 87. It was a season when Barfield, Bell and Moseby should have got a ring, but Jimy Williams...
_jason - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#22796) #
Opening line: Dad (Dan); So, who's catching tonight?
Tres Molinas; I am.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#22797) #
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V115/N48/nobel.48n.html
Is there any reason Izzy Molina couldn't make a comeback?

Well, don't answer that.

What about Gabe Molina?

I'm thinking that on a team with so many Molinas, chemistry will be very important. There is a solution. COMN.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#22798) #
*Dan turns to camera* Here we go again!
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#22799) #
You forgot "Good Dog" after "Sit Jobu Sit" (if memory serves me)
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#22800) #
Oh yeah... forgot about that. Okay, the new logo goes "Sit Jobu, Sit. Good Baux".

Speaking of which Magpie, Professor Mario showed up so many times on my google search for Molina pictures, I figured we shoudl just write him into the show as the principal.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#22801) #
http://members.lycos.co.uk/superdepor/
Like this year's rotation, none had overpowering stuff.

Yes, the closest thing to a starter with impressive stuff would be Chris Carpenter on this year's group...

In other Molina news, COMN.
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#22802) #
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0381973/
If you're having Bob Ueker in there, then I firmly insist that Christofer Hewett (COMN) have a role. As ummm.. the prissy umpire?
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#22803) #
I see were not letting death interfear with casting eh jsoh? Fine, his urn can be on the family dinner table.

And Fankie the goalie is DEFINATLY in the show now!
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#22804) #
http://www-d0.fnal.gov/collaboration/people/molina_j.jpg
You know the World Series sucks when...

Where's Willy on that post? Wow, Jobu, it takes skill to make that many typos! ;)
Kidding, kidding. Here's another picture of a Molina (COMN).
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#22805) #
*interfere

What do you want from me? Im trying to study...
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#22806) #
Wait...what about the Spiderman-MLB connection?
Enter Alfred!
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#22807) #
Wow. How did we forget the REAL acting Molina?

He'll be perfect by the later seasons when we're desperate for ideas and thus grant the Molinas! and super power or magic time machine and enter Alfred as the super villan.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#22808) #
Uh, Jobu, did your research turn up Angela Molina? The actress (not the professor?)

And if so, did you get anything done afterwards?
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#22809) #
I see were not letting death interfear with casting eh jsoh

Zombie Umpire. Problem solved.

Bah. Next thing you'll be telling me is that Elvis is dead, and isnt actually in a West Texas nursing home dealing with Mummy's and old black guys who think they're JFK.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#22810) #
Well I didn't find anything until I actualy typed it in. Talk about a study distractor! Thanks alot...
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#22811) #
Zombie umpire will never get past the censors.... HELLO GHOST UMPIRE!
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#22812) #
He'll be perfect by the later seasons when we're desperate for ideas

Ah, the Jonathan Winters method.
_Willy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#22813) #
Where's Willy on that post?

I gave up on Jobu long ago--the poor fellow is incorrigible. Anyway he's studying again.
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#22814) #
whoawhoawhoawhoa. Cut back to that BoSox fan, please. I think it might have been an ex-wife of that Jobu fellow :)
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#22815) #
Talk about a study distractor! Thanks alot...

Ah. My work here is done.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#22816) #
Every good sitcom needs a good pair of twins. Maybe Angela Molina can qualify for that on her own
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#22817) #
WOO-HOO! STUDY IMMUNITY!!

Da Molinaz! iz 3 cooool! Diz sho B off da h00k! Eye heart candy n' gettin $MA$HED.
_Rich - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#22818) #
Did McCarver just say that the Cardinals (200+ home runs) don't have the power that the Red Sox do or did I hear that wrong?
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#22819) #
I think it might have been an ex-wife of that Jobu fellow

But if she's there.....WHOSE UPSTAIRS!?!?!?

(DUH DUH DUH DUH!)
_Pete Warren - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#22820) #
Hey Bauxites...who is your favourite and your worst favourite mlb umpire?

my fav is the guy behind the plate tonight
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#22821) #
My favourite is Leslie Nielsen. My least favourites are Phil Cuzzi and my loser friend Rick.
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#22822) #
my fav is the guy behind the plate tonight

Y'mean the guy who's squeezin Marquis like he's a giant roll of Charmin? Him?

BoSox fan I take it.

WHOSE UPSTAIRS!?!?!?

My upstairs Jobu. You're studying, so she came over to my place instead. Claimed that she had already talked to you and that you wouldnt mind.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#22823) #
http://www.wwujd.com
That's true. COMN
_Pete Warren - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#22824) #
Oh shute i forgot about Cuzzi. Wasn't he the guy being a prick to the Jays for a few games?
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#22825) #
That's a polite way of putting it.
_Pete Warren - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:37 PM EDT (#22826) #
haha a giant roll of charmin....i like that one
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#22827) #
Speaking of toilet paper, scott stapp is singing god bless america.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#22828) #
I think I now have an idea of what it would be like if Chad Kroeger should sing "The Maple Leaf Forever."

Not too good...
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#22829) #
Just caught the tail end of God Bless America. Who was that? If he was any poorer a singer, he could be me.
Thomas - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#22830) #
It was the guy from Creed. Insert insult here.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#22831) #
That was scott stapp. Former singer of creed (aka "Pearl Jam without Soul, Morals or Talent")
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#22832) #
He makes Steven Tyler sound like one of the Three Tenors.
_Pete Warren - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#22833) #
Wow
Canadian Baseball talk AND creed bashing....what a site...thank the lord for the battersbox
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#22834) #
If I didn't know the story of the season, there's no way St.Louis looks like they deserve to be here the way they're playing.
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#22835) #
Who put the 2004 Blue Jays in Cardinal uniforms for the World Series? That wasn't very nice. And where are the real Cardinals? Toronto????
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#22836) #
Oh crap. Now we get the 'look at all the stuff thats happened since the BoSox last won' montage.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#22837) #
Its can happen very often that a genuine MVP candidate makes it to the World Series and then goes hitless (unless he's a pitcher.)

This is going to be a long, long winter in the Rolen household.

Even Dave Winfield went 1-22 in 1981 - he did get ONE hit - and he heard about it regularly for the next ten years.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#22838) #
It wouldn't be so bad if Rolen just stopped, but the whole damn team save for Larry left their bats in the hotel room all series.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#22839) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page3/story?page=songs/bluejays
That was scott stapp. Former singer of creed (aka "Pearl Jam without Soul, Morals or Talent")

Better not let Woody hear that. COMN if you don't know what I mean.
_Dr. Zarco - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#22840) #
This sucks. I hate the Red Sox and it looks like it's over in only 4 very uneventful games (except Game 1 I suppose). At least offseason moves will begin sooner, which will hopefully be exciting.
_Lime - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#22841) #
The Cards have looked dead these past two games. Did they not have any confidence that they could still salvage the series down 2-0, coming home for three?

Sad that Larry won't get his ring but at least Carpenter the traitor won't get one.

(Yes, I realize Carp was offered more money by STL. I'm just a wee bit tired of our players magically coming into their own right after they leave)
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:00 PM EDT (#22842) #
Woody got out of town just in time. If Berg saw that, he woulda flipped.

To quote comic book guy: Worst Series Ever.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#22843) #
Cutaways to jimmy fallon AND scott stapp? There's just too much suck on screen. Truly the worst series I've ever seen.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#22844) #
That was scott stapp. Former singer of creed (aka "Pearl Jam without Soul, Morals or Talent")

I gotta say it Jobu: Pearl Jam was vastly, vastly over rated.

I'm not trying to defend Creed, but I'm not sure if you can have many more morals than a Christian band; as far as soul goes, having it or not is bullshit, I can't see how one would describe one band as having it and another not. Talent though, is lacking in both.

Now Butch Walker, that's another story...
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#22845) #
Firstly, it's not "was". They still record a ton of stuff and have chosen to shun most media outlets, as such they're not as noticed by "pop" crowds if that's what you enjoy.

And secondly, that's your opinion.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#22846) #
I'm not sure if you can have many more morals than a Christian band

Doesn't guarantee anything... oh, wait, I was thinking of Christian politicians

Great work by Isringhausen and a huge play by Pujols. Probably not going to matter much in the end...
_Dr. Zarco - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:11 PM EDT (#22847) #
Wow, no mention of the play that Pujols just made. That was really remarkable. When does a first baseman ever practice that throw??? Running to his right, almost falling over, throwing to the plate. Looked like a third baseman on a bunt. Hopefully Isringhausen getting out of that jam gives the Cards hitters some life with their six remaining outs.
_Chuck Van Den C - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#22848) #
...at least Carpenter the traitor won't get one.

Lime, after a guy gets non-tendered he's entitled to not be considered a traitor.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#22849) #
Whoa.... I didn't even read the rest. I just kinda wigged out at the first part.

You're entitled to your opinion but to say talent is lacking in both is.... it's just blowing my mind... I just can't disagree with that enough.

The refernces to soul and morals refer to the constant ripping off of Pearl Jams sound, the constant producers and money making hype around all their works which then peddle off to any advertiser who would buy them instead of making more serious music.

I....I'm studying... must pull self away from keyboard before starting rant...
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#22850) #
Actually Jobu, I enjoy rock music, and I'm quite aware of what Pearl Jam still does. How about if I say "Pearl Jam has been, is now, and always will be, vastly overrated." They were alright, and "Ten" was pretty enjoyable, but it was frankly a really shat period for music as a whole. Their videos on the other hand... genius.

I enjoy rock. Pearl Jam does not rock.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#22851) #
In Creed's defense, I'd take Creed and the Mayfield Four over their much maligned band Alter Bridge anyday. That was an awful debut album...
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#22852) #
Dude, you're seriously just blowing my mind...the genre? I...having a Frank Grimes moment at the keyboard here.

Okay... okay... I'm calming down. I see where you're coming from. You're into the "rap-rock" limp bizkit, pappa roach, linkin park "scene" right?
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:20 PM EDT (#22853) #
Hey, I like Creed (well, the older stuff anyways). You're the one who said they were Pearl Jam without Soul, Morals or Talent.

You must go study, I must write a report on romantic literature; we will continue our disucussion at a later time or in a different manner, say a race around the world? The Queen herself will drop a checkered flag.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#22854) #
Actually, no I'm not; in fact, I hate that stuff.

BUT

I'm also not one of those pompous asses who thinks because everyone doesn't love Nirvana and Bob Dylan that they're idiots with no taste in music; believe me, I've had music professors with that exact attitude. And right now, you're in that mode.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#22855) #
It's just that your comments derailed my whole train of thought... Creed=Good, PJ=Over-rated, Alt-Rock=shat.... it's your opinion, but don't try and sell it as fact.

You're right in that we must depart and stop wasting baseball space. My email/msn information is provided above if the race around the world doesnt get going in time.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#22856) #
Is there a baseball game still on?

ECHO! ECHO! ECHO!
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#22857) #
Hey man, you bring Dylan jabs into this at your peril. I'm not even gonna touch that... ;)
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#22858) #
I think they're the smart ones for abandoning this thread Fozzy, this series is done like dinner, but it was a pretty lame dinner.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:26 PM EDT (#22859) #
People, people. I know how we can solve this:
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#22860) #
*Jobu pulls knife*

YOU STAY OUT OF THIS MARIVN!!! AGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#22861) #
I agree, it's opinion, but it's just as valid as anyone else's.

But in fairness, you have to admit it was a really crappy period for music, the first 4 years of the 90s. The top 10 singles of 1991, the year "Ten" came out:

1.Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit
2.R.E.M. - Losing My Religion
3.Metallica - Enter Sandman
3.Jesus Jones - Right Here, Right Now
5.Billy Bragg - Sexuality
6.P.M. Dawn - Set Adrift On Memory Bliss
7.Divinyls - I Touch Myself
8.Seal - Crazy
9.Red Hot Chili Peppers - Give It Away
10.Tragically Hip - Little Bones
11.Prince - Cream
12.R.E.M. - Shiny Happy People
13.EMF - Unbelievable
14.Teenage Fanclub - Star Sign
15.Art Bergmann - Faithlessly Yours
16.Sons Of Freedom - You're No Good
17. KLF - 3 A.M. Eternal
17. Pixies - Planet Of Sound
19.Tom Cochrane - Life Is A Highway
20.Anthrax Featuring Chuck D - Bring Tha Noize
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#22862) #
This is why I love late night threads. The morning people are going to read this before the roundup and think we've all lost our minds.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#22863) #
Jobu: Mind if I swipe that e-mail of yours? You can never have too many baseball fans on MSN...
We can start trash-talking for the Japanese baseball fantasy league 6 months early. :)

And my point of posting Marvin Gaye was to get everyone to agree on his ability and talent, much like pictures of cute kittens can calm everyone down during an argument.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:31 PM EDT (#22864) #
I agree, we'll have to agree to disagree.

You continue to listen to Pearl Jam and think my taste in music sucks, I'll listen to Eve 6 and Butch Walker and think yours does :)

Meanwhile, in a galaxy far away, Weiner Milk will scroll by this entire part of the thread, rolling his eyes and moving his mouse towards the 'X' in the corner.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#22865) #
Hey, Foulke vs. PooHoles, Rolen, and Edmonds! Maybe the Cards can get a guy as far as third base!
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#22866) #
you bring Dylan jabs into this at your peril.

Well said, Hillbilly Zombie. Magpie (aka MICRO DYLAN) is in the house.

And I am a pompous ass.

OK, you're probably wondering how the Royal Rooters are feeling over at SoSH, now that the Sox are three outs away. Here's how:

I am eerily calm.

i am calmly shaking like a leaf

I am officially freaking out now.

im going to vomit.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#22867) #
I'm not saying you can't make a vaild arguement. I'm just saying dont say "Pearl Jam is vastly over-rated" like you're Moses enlightening the heathens. As much as I completley disagree with you, your opinion is more than welcome.

Why would you take a freeze frame of a year in music and say that a genre of music sucks? Not only is that full of all different types of music, you could take a snap shot of pretty much any other week in history and say "see....this era sucks".

Ten isnt even my favourite album of theirs. I find it a little too shiny and produced.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:35 PM EDT (#22868) #
Okay Jobu, how about this?

Have you heard the new album by William Shatner? It's getting rave reviews, and it's an interesting version of Common People, one of the best songs in the 90s (go Pulp!). Guilty, embarassing pleasure the album is.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#22869) #
Rob, you may help yourself to my email :)
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#22870) #
Unfortunatly I haven't heard anything new in a long time. I've been burried in mid terms for a week now, and right in the middle of them my stupid work has a 60 hours straight sale which will have me working midnight-8am on friday, only to come back saturday and sunday afternoon..... lousy wankers. Go magpie.
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#22871) #
Thought I would ask. There are about 20 people who have "added" me who I don't know, and never talk to me -- the nerve! ;)

Hey...um, baseball is almost over, guys. There's NO BASEBALL from now until after Valentine's Day. What are we going to do?
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#22872) #
Jim Edmunds vs Keith Foulke.

Six career at bats.

Six strikeouts.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#22873) #
Make that seven...

Series MVP? Manny? Foulke?
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#22874) #
After this there will be alot less "annoying baseball chatter" getting in the way of our pop culture debates :)
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:40 PM EDT (#22875) #
We have a winner...
_Rob - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#22876) #
There you go.
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#22877) #
Hey, show us that girl in New York again.

I could become a Red Sox fan, too...
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#22878) #
Boston OFFICIALY has NOTHING to complain about now for at least... i dunno.... 30 years.
_Fozzy - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#22879) #
Hmm, was it just me or did that series seem really devoid of excitement? Ah well, another year in the books; great show everyone, hope to see you all at the wrap party, but please, BYOB.
_Asher - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#22880) #
Well deserved.
_DGriebeling - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#22881) #
HAhaha... not sure who it was, but someone on the Sox was doing "Snow Angels" between the mound and 2nd base!! Like little boys...
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#22882) #
I feel cheated. The game ended before midnight. bleh.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#22883) #
So, who's gonna post some SOSH comments?

I'm looking at you Magpie.
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:48 PM EDT (#22884) #
Manny for MVP? From waiver-wire reject to WS MVP. Quite a year for him.
_Dr. Zarco - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#22885) #
Hahaha, Manny just said "you make your own desitination," instead of 'destiny.' I hope you make your own desitinations!
_jsoh - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#22886) #
Theo is *soooo* fired for pulling that prank on Ole Man Lucchino!
_Magpie - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#22887) #
OK, here ya go:

One more out!

Goosebumps.

I imagine that guy in full MFY gear and a curse sign feels pretty stupid right now.

1!!!!!

111111111111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE RED SOX ARE THE WORLD CHAMPIONS




Oh my god. They @#%$ did it. They really @#%$ did it!!!!!

OH GOD YES!!!!

Now that was a rather large strikeout there.

DIRTY EFFING WATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PANTS OFF SHIRT OFF BOXERS OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The 2004 WORLD CHAMPIONS

oh my god. oh my god. yes.

Thank You. I am crying.

well that didn't suck.

Dirty Water!!!!

I don't @#%$ believe it. I saw my first Red Sox game in 1950, and they owed me. They paid in full, but I still don't believe it.

It was a beautiful thing being able to lead this run. I love all the SOSHers and all of the Red Sox Nation. We deserve this @#%$! IT'S OVER!
(That was from Cabrera Era, who started the game thread for Games 4-7 of the LCS and all four WS games. SoSH tradition is you keep starting the game thread until the team loses...)

MY LIFE IS COMPLETE.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 27 2004 @ 11:59 PM EDT (#22888) #
Sweet.... keep 'em comming Magpie.

I think Leigh's in Boston right now :)
_Magpie - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#22889) #
Its hard not to enjoy that much happiness

Congratulations, guys.
_Rob - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:01 AM EDT (#22890) #
What's with the dirty water?
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:03 AM EDT (#22891) #
It's a song they play in Fenway after wins i think.
_Magpie - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#22892) #
Current Fenway Park tradition:

During the seventh inning stretch they play Neil Diamond's "Sweet Caroline."

And at the end of a Sox victory, they play "Dirty Water" by the Standells.
_Magpie - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:07 AM EDT (#22893) #
Dirty Water
THE STANDELLS
(Ed Cobb)

(spoken:)
I'm gonna tell you a story
I'm gonna tell you about my town
I'm gonna tell you a big bad story, baby
Aww, it's all about my town

Yeah, down by the river
Down by the banks of the river Charles (aw, that's what's happenin' baby)
That's where you'll find me
Along with lovers, fuggers, and thieves (aw, but they're cool people)
Well I love that dirty water
Oh, Boston, you're my home (oh, you're the Number One place)
Frustrated women (I mean they're frustrated)
Have to be in by twelve o'clock (oh, that's a shame)
But I'm wishin' and a-hopin, oh
That just once those doors weren't locked (I like to save time for
my baby to walk around)
Well I love that dirty water
Oh, Boston, you're my home (oh, yeah)

Because I love that dirty water
Oh, oh, Boston, you're my home (oh, yeah)

Well, I love that dirty water (I love it, baby)
I love that dirty water (I love Baw-stun)
I love that dirty water (Have you heard about the Strangler?)
I love that dirty water (I'm the man, I'm the man)
I love that dirty water (Owww!)
I love that dirty water (Come on, come on) [fade]


Oddly enough, they were an LA band.
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#22894) #
Here come the montages on Fox....
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:10 AM EDT (#22895) #
Any other good posts at the SOSH Magpie? Considering their...you know... lives revolved around this moment.
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:18 AM EDT (#22896) #
Wow...sportsnet post game coverage out lasting Fox... never thought I'd see that either.
_Fozzy - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:19 AM EDT (#22897) #
I'd like to thank Sportsnet, who went above and beyond to keep Joe Buck, Tim McCarver and Al Leiter the hell off of my TV this World Series!
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#22898) #
If only they actually won at Fenway....damn Cards.

This changes the whole dynamic of the Baseball Continum. Boston has nothing to complain about, Yank fans have nothing to chant, Sox fans are going be arrogant AND full of pride when they invade the Dome this year.... this is gonna be an odd 2005.

Magpie, did you doze off? We want quotes!
_Magpie - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:27 AM EDT (#22899) #
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041027
OK. Here is how Cabrera Era started the evening at SoSH:

The end of an 86-year journey is one win away from being here. However, as Buck and McCarver were nice enough to point out, there was ONE team that came back in MLB history to win a 7 game series down 3-0. Can't really remember who it was...Who would know???

Oh....
....LOWE KNOWS!
LET'S GO SOX!

How many minutes til game time? CE, you are the man.

A chance to win it for all the people in the Win It For thread and then some.


The "Win It For" thread is really something. Bill Simmons was talking about it. COMN.


I understand that there is a game later today. Might as well go ahead and win it.

Those people who have been waiting their whole lives, I feel guilty that I have been given this gift so soon, to watch a clinching game for our Sox.

Kids here at school are nuts. My homework for them tonight is to watch the Sox win it all. I've explained to them how great a time this is to be a Sox fan, and how they should feel lucky that the team is going to win it at this stage of their lives.


Can't have a Red Sox game without Jose Melendez...

It’s time for Jose Melendez’s KEYS TO THE GAME.

1. Well, this is new.

What an odd and extraordinary situation Jose finds himself in. Like all of you, every day Jose looks forward to watching the Boston Red Sox play baseball, and every night Jose goes to bed looking forward to watching the next game. Watching baseball has given Jose so much pleasure, at least when the Sox are good. And when they are bad? Well, then at least the Sox eat hours. Maybe they aren’t great hours, but the Red Sox at least consume them, thereby eliminating the need to put further strain on an already overworked network of family and friends.

Jose wants that to end. Yes, Jose is rooting for the Red Sox season to end today. He didn’t want it to end in 2003 or 2002 or 2001 and backwards and backwards, but he wants it to end now. Mach schnell!!! Post haste!!!

After tonight, Jose does not want to watch the Red Sox again this year. After tonight, he does not want to be astounded by Curt Euro’s grit and toughness; he does not want to marvel at Manny’s sweet swing; he does not want to see David Ortiz spit on his hands or Orlando Cabrerra toss the ball effortlessly to first. For the first time in 18 years, Jose hopes, Jose prays that the Red Sox will not play baseball tomorrow.

Jose also desperately wants this to be the last KEYS TO THE GAME of 2004. KEYS TO THE HOT STOVE, KEYS TO SLOVENIA, KEYS TO A FRAGRANT YET SUBTLE PINOT NOIR, Jose would gladly write them all, but KEYS to another game? The Red Sox have all of their KEYS, now all they need to do is unlock the door (Note: Or possibly bomb through a wall Legend of Zelda style.)

Prior to today’s KEYS Jose has written 90,425 words in the form of KEYS TO THE GAME. That is enough. That should be all. Let us end it here and now. Yes, for the first time Jose looks forward to not watching the Red Sox tomorrow

2. Jose should probably write something that actually has to do with the game, a little analysis, a little match up work. Starting pitching has been the story of this series, so let’s focus on tonight’s starters. The Red Sox have Megatron pitching, ready, poised and full of energon cubes. Of course, this raises the question of what Transformer Cardinals starter Jason Marquis might be? Perhaps Bumblebee the loveable little VW Bug, who has a lot of pluck but is just to small to get the job done. No?

Okay, stop. Hold on. Bring out the writing coach, bring the manager to the mound. It’s time for Jose to be honest here – Jose is gassed. He dropped 1,657 words yesterday, his longest outing ever, and put enormous strain on his shaky left elbow in order to try to pull the Sox through. He doesn’t have much left, and it’s showing. That first KEY…that might work in June, but this is the World Series. And the start of KEY 2? Bumblebee? What the hell is that?

But you know what? Jose can’t surrender the keyboard. He just can’t do it. He’s going to keep bringing it until the manager comes and drags him out. So here goes, let’s see if he can get these last two KEYS up around 97. Then Jose will point skyward, call it a day and rub his ‘fro against a teammate’s. It is on.

Jose had hoped to come up with some clever, nickname for Jason Marquis that would play off of either Marquis de Sade or Marquis de Lafayette. Lafayette, Jose immediately realized, was hopeless. Nothing rhymes with it except possibly “Laugh Riot” and that, ironically, didn’t seem funny. Moreover mentioning a riot seemed extremely distasteful.

And Sade? Well lots of things rhyme with Sade “God,” “Rod,” “Mod,” “Decapod” but none of them seemed to reflect the man who will take the man who will actually take the mound for the Cardinals tonight. Can one connect Jason Marquis to what the American Heritage Dictionary defines as “a cephalopod mollusk, such as a squid or cuttlefish, having ten armlike tentacles?” Actually, yes – he does lack a backbone. But it still seemed like too much of a stretch.

Jose had sort of hoped to find something that would rhyme with Sade and mean “Is so anxiety riddled that he needed to be used as a pinch runner in game 1 to work out the butterflies, and he even screwed that up by falling down on the base paths. So now he is destined to walk five and give up six runs in 2 2/3 innings in the biggest game of his life.” But surprisingly, in a language as versatile as English, there is no word captures that, much less one that rhymes with “Sade.” The only thing that even comes close to capturing it (Note: Not rhyming with it) is “Kevin Brown.”

So Jose will have to settle for French. And as it turns out the French have a word that seems just about perfect. Jose doesn’t speak a word of French, but this term, to Anglophone ears, seems ideal for Jason Marquis – “Inquiétude.” It’s what one gets when “anxiety” is translated by Babelfish, but it seems to Jose that it is so much more. It conveys a sense of unsettledness, a sense of fear, a sense that every pitch might be the mistake that is remembered forever.

So tonight’s pitching match up? Megatron versus Le Marquis de Inquiétude. Jose doesn’t know about you, but he’ll take the robot hell bent on destruction.

3. UNO!!! UNO!!! UNO DAMN IT!!! Jose has played a lot of different games in his life time, and sometimes he gets confused about which rules belong to which game, but he is almost sure that baseball is the one where you have to shout UNO when you’re about to go out. Right? If you don’t say “Uno” you have to win two extra games, so UNO!!! UNO!!! UNO!!!

I’m Jose Melendez and those are my KEYS TO THE GAME.


And Johnny Damon stepped up to bat...
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:36 AM EDT (#22900) #
Wow... these posts are golden. I imagine in the morning when all the fans return home from partying to actually post, they'll be some real classics on there.

From the Simmons article:

"Everything would get wiped away. No more baggage. No more Babe Ruth pictures, Buckner highlights, fans walking around with Curse signs, 1918 chants, announcers hinting at doom around every corner. Everyone would just leave us alone. We'd be just another baseball team."

Somehow I don't think they want to be "just another baseball team".
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:41 AM EDT (#22901) #
So what's the policy now? Does Wilner go into storage till baseball starts again? I rather enjoy the fellow.
Craig B - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 12:59 AM EDT (#22902) #
Somehow I don't think they want to be "just another baseball team".

Honestly, if I were a Red Sox fan that would be exactly what I would want.
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 01:01 AM EDT (#22903) #
I can see not wanting the notority of chokers, but would they really prefer fading into a team like Kansas City that no one really talks about or cares about?
_Ron - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 01:22 AM EDT (#22904) #
Oh everybody loves all those great players on the Royals like..........and .......
_Magpie - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 02:09 AM EDT (#22905) #
Somehow I don't think they want to be "just another baseball team".

If you listen to them, it is exactly what they want.

And they'll always be the Red Sox - the team of Fenway, of Williams and Yastrzemski, of Speaker and Wood. Of all the heartbreaks, of the great comeback, the final redemption...
_Jeff Geauvreau - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 02:13 AM EDT (#22906) #
I am glad the Red Sox won the World Series.

I want them to win again real soon.

2090 here they come.

Your 2090 World Series Champions Boston Red Sox.
_Jobu - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 02:13 AM EDT (#22907) #
And they'll always be the Red Sox - the team of Fenway, of Williams and Yastrzemski, of Speaker and Wood.

exactly. That's a great storied team, not just another team. Like I don't think they want to be Tampa Bay and fade into the background of baseball.
_Uncle Jim - Thursday, October 28 2004 @ 07:25 AM EDT (#22908) #
As someone living in London (the original one in the UK ;)) its nice to think there would be fireworks over the Thames after the World Series finale but sadly most people here are nicely asleep at 4am and probably have no idea what the World Series is, and would no doubt think the Red Sox are some kind of communist clothing accessory.

Ive a couple of friends who relocated to Boston back in Jan this year, no idea what baseball was when they left London... since then they've been to see a dozen games, brought the obligitory caps and t-shirts, died and lived again in the 3-0 down, 4-3 up series v the skankees and to top it all even managed to score a ticket to Game One of the WS... Talk about timing...

Do I sound envious...

My problem now it that they're going to be unsufferingly smug in the coming months, good job us Jays fans have 2 WS victories to counter with...
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