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Can the 15-12 Toronto Blue Jays win their third in a row and guarantee a series win over the finally-put-in-their-place 17-8 Baltimore Orioles?

Despite what you may think, Josh Towers hasn't owned the Orioles over his career. 1.60 WHIP. 4.95 ERA. .342 batting average against. And his MLB.com mugshot is worrisome. You never know, though -- out of nowhere, the Bulldog is striking out a batter an inning.

He'll face off against Daniel Cabrera, 20 months removed from Low-A Delmarva (which I've never even heard of) and the last-place finisher for the 2004 Best AL Rookie Pitcher Named Daniel or Zach Award.

Cabrera is not off to a good start this season and with Roy, The All-Powerful Pitching Robot set to go Wednesday afternoon...can you say sweep?
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rtcaino - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#115307) #
""4.95 WHIP. 1.60 ERA. .342 batting average against.""

I think ERA and WHIP is backwards. I don't think that is a mathematical possibility.
Dunny - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 06:49 PM EDT (#115309) #
I think it's a little early to be thinkin sweep...

Rob - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#115310) #
I think ERA and WHIP is backwards.

Whoa. Thanks for pointing that out. Fixed.

Jdog - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:11 PM EDT (#115311) #
When The Jays win the opening game of a three game series, I immediately think sweep(always). Its my right as a passionate fan to do so.
Rob - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#115312) #
Here are your lineups, which I hope are free of mathematical impossibilities. :)

Johnson (LF), Hudson, Wells, Koskie, Hillenbrand (1B), Hinske (DH), Zaun, Rios, Adams.
Roberts, Mora, Tejada, Sosa, Lopez (DH), Palmeiro, Matos, Bigbie, Gil.

Interesting what the Yankees are doing. They moved Womack to left field (where he's never played in the majors), Matsui to CF, Williams and Giambi will share time at DH. 2B Robinson Cano was called up and makes his big league debut tonight in Tampa, batting ninth.
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#115313) #
Not a great top of the first, but remember this: The Jays just
don't
lose
on Tuesdays.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#115314) #
Womack doesn't hit enough for a second baseman, nevermind a corner outfielder. Cashman must be on the hunt for a CF if they have any marketable prosects. Maybe the answer is already in NY. Mike Cameron would be a big upgrade for the Yankees and has been rumoured to be available ever since Beltran signed.
Arms Longfellow - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#115315) #
If the theory about Towers only being good against weak hitting teams is true, then he may get ROCKED today.

Fortunately Baltimore's pitcher has an equal chance of getting ROCKED.
mathesond - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#115316) #
I would have liked to have seen the pickoff. Alas, the tv is in another room, and is tuned to Sex in the City.
Magpie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#115317) #
The Yankees have some issues. (So do the Red Sox, now that I think of it. Jeremi Gonzalez started for Boston last night, and John Halama Lama Ding Dong is pitching tonight) Anyway, the Yankees have a multitude of bodies at 1B/DH - Giambi, Tino, Bernie Williams, Sierra - and they're playing an infielder in LF and a kid making his ML debut at 2B. Shouldn't a gazillion dollars go a little farther than that?
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#115319) #
Roberts had a huge lead and was extending it (though not yet running) when Towers wheeled and fired to first. Roberts might have snuck his hand under Shea's tag, but it was close enough that the "out" call was at least arguable.
Ryan C - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#115320) #
Mike Cameron would be a big upgrade for the Yankees and has been rumoured to be available ever since Beltran signed.

True enough, but the Mets and Yankees, although not even in the same league, are still significant rivals. Would the Mets be willing to help out the Yankees? And if so, you still have to ask the question if the Yankees have anything to offer. Or would the Mets simply be happy enough to get rid of Cameron's salary?

Mets' fans have got to be happy as pigs in filth right now concerning the Beltran signing.

Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#115321) #
The Boston pitching staff has to be scaring the crap out of the Red Sox Nation. With Schilling, Wells, and Miller all hurt and Arroyo suspended for a week, they will be making some interesting roster decisions for the next little while. Neither Wells or Schilling looked good at all before going on the DL. Foulke has been getting hit around a lot in the first month too, which has to be alarming. The two reasons that I can think of that are much more encouraging than the Yankees are that they can hit there way out of a lot of pitching problems with their line-up in Fenway. Also they actually have marketable prospects to make some moves during the summer if their pitching doesn't come around.
VBF - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#115322) #
The Yankees have some issues. (So do the Red Sox, now that I think of it. Jeremi Gonzalez started for Boston last night, and John Halama Lama Ding Dong is pitching tonight) Anyway, the Yankees have a multitude of bodies at 1B/DH - Giambi, Tino, Bernie Williams, Sierra - and they're playing an infielder in LF and a kid making his ML debut at 2B. Shouldn't a gazillion dollars go a little farther than that?

To add to their woes, TSN's Vic Rauter reports that they may put Randy Johnson on the DL as soon as tomorrow with a groin injury. God is wearing our rose coloured glasses.

BCMike - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#115323) #
I mentioned in yesterday's game thread that it might be a good idea to send Whiteside down and bring up someone who can go a few innings. Hopefully Towers does not get rocked, but if he does our bullpen is a little thin considering the length of yesterdays game and the number of relievers who have pitched in back to back games.

Of course, as mentioned above, Baltimore is in pretty rough shape too :)
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#115324) #
"Would the Mets be willing to help out the Yankees? And if so, you still have to ask the question if the Yankees have anything to offer. Or would the Mets simply be happy enough to get rid of Cameron's salary?"

The Mets have been thrilled with Diaz and are trying to find at bats for him. Floyd's been mashing the ball to start the year. Beltran's a lock in CF. Cameron looks pretty expendable especially considering his price tag. I agree the Yankees don't have much to offer, but I'd be amazed if Cameron finished the year with the Mets (barring a major injury).
Cristian - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#115325) #
Kevin Brown is getting smoked today. Maybe Womack should have gone into the starting rotation rather than left field.
Magpie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#115326) #
If the theory about Towers only being good against weak hitting teams is true

Which is one of those theories - where did it come from anyway? - that seems intuitively true, but when you look at the evidence, kind of withers up and dies.

Josh Towers career numbers (coming into 2005):

vs Tampa Bay 3-4, 5.81, 48.0 IP
vs New York  1-4, 3.78, 33.2 IP
vs Oakland   4-2, 4.69, 40.1 IP
vs Baltimore 3-2, 4.75, 30.1 IP
vs Boston    3-2, 7.56, 33.1 IP
vs Seattle   2-1, 4.44, 26.1 IP
These are the only teams (besides Toronto!) that he has as many as 20 career IP against. All of these samples are much too small, obviously. But he's pitched best against the Yankees, despite the W-L, and worst against Boston (also despite the W-L). Both pretty decent hitting teams these last few years.
Gardiner West - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:44 PM EDT (#115327) #
Interesting Alex Rios vs Kirby Pucket comparison after first 135 games on TSN.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:44 PM EDT (#115328) #
Rios has a new batting stance. (Actually, I don't know if stance is the right word, but he's got the bat up higher and he's not resting it on his shoulder any more as the pitcher gets ready to unload.)
Arms Longfellow - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#115329) #
I don't like the nickname "Lexi" for Rios. Sounds too effeminate. How about Ichiro Jr.? Or Nabob. Because he's from Coffee, Alabama, you see.

Okay maybe not but still it'd be nice if we didn't "settle" for Lexi.
BCMike - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:47 PM EDT (#115330) #
I'd be interested to see Towers' quality start percentage against those teams. He "seems" to either pitch really well or get hammered, there isn't much in between.
Ryan C - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#115331) #
Hinske would have had that one ;)

Man the Orioles are getting burned on the basepaths tonight. Zaun looked like he had all the time in the world to get rid of that ball.
Magpie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#115332) #
Would the Mets be willing to help out the Yankees?

In a word... no. As in no, no, nyah-nyah nyah-nyah.

Everybody connected with the Mets is trembling with glee at the prospect of the Yankees in trouble. There's going to be a lot of "We have Carlos Beltran, and You Don't" going on.

And while the Mets don't exactly need Cameron with Beltran and Diaz on hand, what do the Yankees have that the Mets could use? The Mets could use bullpen help, but the Yankees have problems there as well.

The Yankees have rotation issues too, of course. Kevin Brown's line so far tonight:

K Brown 1.0  8  6  6  0  0  0  37-28  9.00
Eight hits? Eight? In Tampa?
Elijah - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:53 PM EDT (#115333) #
That had to have been a missed hit-and-run by Bigbie. Matos waited until the ball had left Towers' had before he took off and I have never seen a catcher take his time to fire down to second as Zaun did right there. Nice play by Zaun to not rush the throw and he threw a strike down to second.

Towers is getting those beautiful groundballs save for that ball hit by Bigbie.
Jdog - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#115334) #
I wonder if Vernon is leading the league in LOB? Where could i find info like that?
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#115335) #
Really impressed with Towers so far. Three nice, quick, efficient innings. The hitters are getting around on his fastball -- all of his pitches are being hit to the left side -- but they're gobbled-up grounders.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#115336) #
"Man the Orioles are getting burned on the basepaths tonight. Zaun looked like he had all the time in the world to get rid of that ball."

Zaunie's stealing signals off that 1st base coach for the Orioles like their relatives or something. :)
Arms Longfellow - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 07:57 PM EDT (#115337) #
Vernon Wells redeemed himself for the entire month of April last night when he made the final fly out catch of the game, then faked throwing the ball into the Baltimore crowd then just kept it. That was the funniest thing I've ever seen.

The humour was probably magnified by the euphoria of the moment of the Blue Jays having beat Baltimore because I was so sick of how everybody was talking about the Orioles and completely ignoring the Blue Jays. And other stuff like Brian Roberts' comments about how if they wanted to win the AL East it would "come down to beating the Yankees and the Red Sox".
binnister - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:00 PM EDT (#115338) #
Can someone PLEASE flip the month on Vernon Wells' desk calendar?
Arms Longfellow - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#115339) #
I demand that the next Picture of the Week be Vernon Wells.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#115340) #
Arms,

Last night's was the smallest crowd in the 14 year history of Camden Yards (15K+)
There probably wasn't anyone for Vernon to throw to after 12 innings and a 4 run deficit. hehehe
CeeBee - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#115341) #
The Yankees have so little to offer as trade bait that the best hope they have is to pick up someones salary dump. Reminds me of the old saying " what goes around comes around" ;) I don't think they will have much luck finding a dancing partner as there has to be 20 or more owners secretly dancing with glee.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:09 PM EDT (#115342) #
Waechter has allowed only 1 hit thru 3 innings. (Solo homerun by Tino). Still 6-1 Rays.
Skills - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#115343) #
Looks like Cabrera is really on tonight. His pitch count isn't too high either. The Jays need to get in some tough at-bats and get him out of there.
Arms Longfellow - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:13 PM EDT (#115344) #
Man, it annoys me how you always hear about teams setting record lows in attendance when the Blue Jays are in town (I think the Yankees have a record like this too). Are we really that boring?
Skills - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#115345) #
Well it probably doesn't help that even when we have an exciting extra-inning game against the division leaders like we did last night, and get about 5 seconds of coverage on Baseball Tonight. Meanwhile, the Yankees rosters moves get covered like 3 times as does the St. Louis comeback (although this may have been warranted, showing it 3 times is ridiculous). These last 2 stories took up at least half the show.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#115346) #
It keeps getting better in Tampa.
Matsui grounds into a DP.
Rodriguez gets thrown out stealing by Toby Hall.
Can you say pressing?
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#115348) #
Five scoreless innings from Towers. 49 pitches. That's efficient. Come on boys, can't keep a good team down forever.
Terran - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#115349) #
Dumb question but...

Is it just me or did Reed Johnson run too far off the first base line during that single? Not that it matters much but it just seems like it would unnecessarily slow him down...
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:26 PM EDT (#115350) #
Pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if Cat didn't pick up a little injury in last night's game. It's a curious decision to sit him tonight because Bedard's pitching Wednesday and it's an off-day Thursday. You don't see managers sit their starting LF 3 days in a row, if their healthy, too often.
Jim - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#115351) #
The small crowds at Camden have more to do with the Nationals and the way the team has played the last 4 years then who they are playing right now. That record was set last week.

I'm headed down this weekend for the Kansas City series, so hopefully the crowds continue to stay away.
Ryan C - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#115352) #
Another Baltimore runner caught on the basepaths, this time in a rundown. Well if they're just going to give us the game, might as well take advantage.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#115353) #
None of you probably care, but I must share:

I got the last few days of the month off from work, which means...I'm heading down to Seattle to watch the Jays/Mariners at SafeCo. My first time seeing the Jays in person and my first time at SafeCo. Needless to say, I'm thrilled.

As for this game, well, I just turned it on. Looks like running is difficult today with three caught stealings and a pickoff. And as I type this, Bigbie is caught in a run down. Hurray for free outs!
Elijah - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:33 PM EDT (#115354) #
Stellers - Cat started last night against Rodrigo Lopez.
greenfrog - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#115355) #
Has Towers picked up some velocity? According to sportsline gamecenter, he's thrown two 91 MPH and one 93 MPH fastballs to Gil.
Ryan C - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#115357) #
As baseball commentators go, Hudson is no Catalanatto.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#115358) #
Way to stay in front of the ball and not panic by Adams.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#115359) #
I know he started last night against Lopez. But he was lifted for Rios later in the game and he's not starting tonight against Cabrera, he won't start tomorrow against Bedard, and it's an off-day on Thursday.
dp - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#115360) #
There's no way the Mets give Cameron up to the Yanks- really nothing they have that would be of use to the Mets. Plus you have to assume the market for Cameron will be pretty good once he shows he can hit again. Diaz was great for a couple of weeks, but has slowed and I think would be best served worked into the OF/1B rotation once Cameron returns. Then there's the Floyd Factor- when he gets hurt, Diaz is going to have all the playing time he needs.

Very nice to see the Yanks falling apart. Great time to be in NYC.
Jim - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#115361) #
The Baltimore broadcasters agreed with this sentiment. They said the pitches to Gil were the hardest he's thrown all night. I just jumped in during the 5th myself.
Elijah - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#115362) #
Stellers - Oh okay, I see what you mean. But I have a strong feeling we'll see Cat get in these games at some point as a pinch hitter.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#115363) #
I always remember Towers being around 91MPH with his fastball. Is my memory deceiving me? So, no, I don't think he's improved his velocity. He has improved his control though, which I didn't think was possible considering how good it already was.
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#115364) #
Cabrera is throwing as hard and with as much movement in the seventh as he did in the first. Give him credit -- I wouldn't have predicted it.
Pepper Moffatt - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#115365) #
If the Yankees are looking for another outfielder, I'm sure they could get Raul Mondesi for cheap. :)

I can't see the Mets landing Cameron. Or anyone else who doesn't have a problem contract? What do the Yanks have of value that anyone wants? They don't have a lot in the minors, and is there anyone on the team you'd take off their hands for free? (with the implication that you'd have to take the contract as well)
Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#115366) #
Absolutely amazing that through 6 1/2 innings, no baserunner from either side has reached 2nd base. I'm not sure I can remember any game recently where this has happened.
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#115367) #
In fact, there's been some press coverage on the fact that Towers has indeed added some giddyup to his fastball this year.
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#115369) #
I loved that. Sammy hits a fly ball and starts his "Ooo! Ooo! It's a home run!" hop. And the ball lands in Vernon's glove.

Ha!
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:54 PM EDT (#115370) #
Well Hudson reached second. Then he overreached it a bit. :)
Sosa did that stupid little trot on that fly! HA!
Towers is certainly Maddux-esque with the command tonight.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:56 PM EDT (#115371) #
What do you guys think: Send Hisnke? It's bound to work eventually...

King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#115372) #
Oh, they are going to bunt. I'd prefer a hit-and-run with Zaun at the plate, frankly.
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 08:59 PM EDT (#115373) #
Call it off, Gibby. Zaun can do almost everything. But he CANNOT bunt.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#115374) #
Oh good, Gibbons called off the bunt and went with the hit-and-run. I approve. Boy this is a long AB, though.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#115375) #
Oh good, Gibbons called off the hit-and-run and decided to call for a walk. :)
Magpie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#115376) #
Our old first baseman now in Florida just homered off Mike Hampton (he hit a two run double earlier) - so Al Leiter has a 6-2 lead.

And Halama leaves with a 5-2 lead in Detroit thanks to a MIrabelli grand slam.

Do you bunt with Rios?

Elijah - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#115377) #
I think we may see a squeeze...
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#115378) #
I'm not saying they would have gotten Rios...but still, an awesome slide by Zaun.
Elijah - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#115379) #
Well, there it was... they wouldn't do it again, would they?
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#115380) #
No. But great call, Elijah.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#115381) #
Yes, good call by Elijah and by Gibbons. TOo bad it didn't pan out.
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#115382) #
Do you think Sammy didn't catch that intentionally? Should he have not made that catch?
Elijah - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#115383) #
Well, that works too! Good running by Hinske to take off right away though it looked like a comebacker.
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#115384) #
As it happened, he should have caught it. Nice 20-foot RBI single, Russ!
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#115385) #
If that infield screamer by Adams didn't prove the power of the Picture of the Day MOJO nothing will.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#115386) #
Mike,

I think he was better off not making the catch as a right-handed RF. I totally missed what happened to score the run as the Comcast cameraman decided it'd be better to just pan to Joe West at 3rd while Toronto was scoring.
jamesq - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#115387) #
it's an accidental squeeze after all
CeeBee - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#115389) #
Line drive single for an RBI..... well, it will look like that in the morning ;)
Too bad they didn't get some insurance tho.
ScottTS - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#115391) #
If that infield screamer by Adams didn't prove the power of the Picture of the Day MOJO nothing will. Indeed. I think we've got a genuine phenomenon on our hands here. We need a picture of Vernon next. Whatever happens in this game, the Jays pitching staff has now held the vaunted Orioles offence to 2 runs over the last 19 innings. Not bad.
rikley - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#115392) #
I'm watching this game on MLB.tv. So, it's the Orioles feed today. Buck Martinez as the colour commentator. I'm not sure who the play by play guy is, but man they're great. They call the game very objectively and in my opinion you can't get much better than Buck! Buck, come back to TSN!
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#115393) #
Toby Hall helps pour it on with a 2-RBI double.
It's now 10-4 at the Trop.
My girlfriend wants to take a trip there because she feels bad that nobody supports the Rays. I really wish today was the day...hehe
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#115394) #
AWWW. Josh Towers' walkless streak is broken after a horrible call by the homeplate ump. Where did that miss? It was a beautiful breaking pitch on the inside corner.
VBF - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#115395) #
Give a ton of credit to Josh Towers tonight. The bullpen was beat after the long game and he knew he had to rise to occasion and go for several innings. Regardless of the outcome, the fact that we have Roy Halladay hopefully going long tomorrow and an off-day on Thursday, the bullpen will be well rested for Friday.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#115396) #
Rikley,

Yes! These guys are real good. I'd put them on par w Vin Scully for objectivity. Like when the crowd was making a stink about Zaun's check swing, Buck said he 'wasn't even close to going around.' And both have been extolling the virtues of hitting your spots like Josh Towers when compared with blazing speed as we see w Cabrera.
Rob - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:21 PM EDT (#115397) #
There hasn't been a ball hit to left field against Towers at all tonight. Maybe Johnson can move into deep-right-centre field if Towers stays in.

NOTE: Wednesdays with JP is tonight, everyone. So tune in when this game is over for the GM.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#115398) #
WWJP is on Tuesday? If so, thanks for the Heads-up, Rob.
Skills - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#115399) #
After a tight, tense game, some insurance runs would be nice.
Rob - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#115400) #
Yep, Jerry just informed his listeners. Tomorrow's game is at 3:00, so they moved it to tonight.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#115401) #
Are the Blue Jays planning on hiring a new first base coach so that Whitt can go back to being the bench coach?
Has anyone heard anything?
Magpie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:29 PM EDT (#115402) #
WWJP is on Tuesday?

Because tomorrow is a 300 start.

That's a Quality Start for Towers I would say. Only 92 pitches and the 8-9 hitters coming up. But it's Batista time, I think.

It does look like Tampa is going to snap that nasty losing streak. All they needed was a little Kevin Brown.

Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#115403) #
OK. I'd give Shea the green light on 3-0 after that wild pitch. We badly need a RISP hit here.

Or not. Thinking the same thing, Mazzilli tosses ball four intentionally, and brings Kline in to buzz Hinske. You know, the Yankees tried that with Stanton on Sunday...
Mike Green - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#115404) #
I sure prefer Gibbons' bullpen management to Mazilli's. Julio and Kline each are pitching for the 2nd straight day today, and there's an afternoon game tomorrow.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#115405) #
Mike Green, are you suggesting that Gibbons shouldn't go to Batista, then? He also went last night, remember.
Gardiner West - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:35 PM EDT (#115406) #
Having Buck back on our TV's would be nice, but not likely until there's a regime change in the Blue Jays front office.
Mike Green - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#115407) #
No, I'm not King Ryan. Batista is pitching in a high leverage situation, i.e one perfectly within his role, and everyone else will be fresh tomorrow.

Going through Julio and Kline again when you're down a run in the 9th doesn't make sense to me.

Skills - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#115408) #
I like Gibbons' move. Though Towers has been exceptional, he is extremely susceptible to the long ball, and this is a 1-run game. I'd rather they give Miggy a shot to shut em down.
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#115409) #
Boy that's some offence Baltimore has. (cough)
R Billie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#115410) #
Shutout. Un...be...lievable! Batista has really found the range with his control.
NYJaysFan36 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#115411) #
Josh Phelps goes 3-3 with 2 runs and 3 RBI in an 11-4 rout of the "new-look" Yankees! Way to go Josh!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
TorontoDan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#115412) #
What a fantastic win! I was very, very impressed by Josh Towers. I think he's earning his "Control Towers" nickname. On the front page of Yahoo Sports' mlb section, they've got an article praising the Orioles, but with our performances the last two days, I think we're due for a new front page team. Considering that Halladay is starting tomorrow, we've got a huge chance of sweeping the O's.
Magpie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:48 PM EDT (#115415) #
Had 'em all the way.

So now we can think about the sweep, right?

And after four starts, Kevin Brown in 0-4, 8.18. The Yankees are paying him more money than the Jays are paying their entire rotation, which is pretty neat.

Rob - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#115416) #
What a win. Towers sounded great tonight. Batista looked like he belonged, too.

Okay, Zaun better get tomorrow's game off. He has caught 21 innings in two days.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#115417) #
This Batista kid looks pretty good in the closer role. JP and his staff deserve a ton of credit for the decision to put Chacin in the rotation and Batista in the bullpen. He took a lot of heat for it in the spring, but it has worked out magically for the first 5 weeks.
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#115418) #
Give Ricciardi credit. His moves with Chacin and Batista have looked like genius. Batista is doing everything we need as a closer, and lately he's been doing it one-two-three.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#115419) #
Huckaby will be in their tomorrow catching his old buddy Doc Halladay with Bedard on the hill. Zaun should be able to have steak dinner tonight with his uncle (Rick Dempsey) picking up the tab after these 2 games.
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#115420) #
What he said.
R Billie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#115421) #
I don't think there's any question you go to Batista in the 9th. Towers was nearing his pitch limit and eventhough he had near impeccable command all night, all it takes is one or two mistakes and the Jays are in trouble. Batista has been throwing well and he hasn't been overused at all.
Nick - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#115423) #
I disagreed with the move at the time, but I have to give JP and Gibbons their due. Making Batista the closer to keep Chacin and Towers in the rotation has worked out great so far. Kudos!

I know it is only May 3, but this season is a hell of a lot of fun so far. Not only is this a great club to root for, but NY and Boston have shown they are not invincible. There is hope and excitement. I wouldn't bet my house on a playoff run, but I sure am enjoying this for now.
Nick - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#115424) #
Guess we are all of the same mind. Sorry to be repetitive.
King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#115425) #
I'm proud to say that Batista no longer makes me nervous.

Now, can fan590.com please get rid of that blackout thingie so I can listen to WWJP??
ScottTS - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#115426) #
King Ryan: www.980kruz.ca - it is, as far as I can tell, never blacked out.

King Ryan - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#115427) #
Thanks, Scott. Just in time for the first caller!
Lefty - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#115429) #
Lefty - Wednesday, April 27 2005 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#114001)
Lots of debate the past couple days regarding all these little moves that appear to point to indecision. But I'll give the man credit for for sticking to his guns keeping Chacin in the rotation after he was pummeled in back to backers after the rotation announcement during S.T.

The above was a comment I made week ago. Reference JP's decision to put Chacin in the rotation that caused the Batista move back to the pen.
sandman - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#115432) #
Two great games in a row for the good guys.

Is anyone else concerned about Chacin? He's pitched well obviously, but his strikeout:walk ratios don't look so good. Can we expect this to continue? or is he tom Filer.

I expected to see Cat bat for Adams in the 8th. gibbons clearly knew Adams was the right guy.
Cristian - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#115433) #
Can someone post an executive summary of Wednesdays w/JP for those of us stuck at work with a soundcard-less computer?
HippyGilmore - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#115434) #
<i>Can we expect this to continue? or is he tom Filer.
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I think Sandman wins the award for most random former Jay reference of the day.
R Billie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#115435) #
I'm a little concerned about Chacin but I think the reason his K/BB ratio hasn't been that good isn't a lack of stuff per say but just not pitching with perfect command. When you have his movement and his weird stutter step delivery it's going to be hard to spot pitches perfectly. But as long as his command is good enough and he can continue to find both sides of the plate and change speeds he will be a competent pitcher who can have good days and limit the bad ones.
BrockLanders - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#115436) #
Is it just me or do the Jays remind you of a national league team? This is a compliment of course.
Craig B - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#115438) #
Someone on WWJP just asked a three-minute question that made no sense whatsoever. Wow.
BrockLanders - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#115439) #
Someone is asking J.P. about Jorge Cantu? Obscure?
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#115440) #
Personally, Last night told me Chacin is the real deal. He held the Orioles at bay last night without his best command. This is a team built on RH power hitters and they were scorching hot coming in to the game winning 8 in a row. They had already seen Chacin before, so they can't use the "funky delivery" as a crutch for not hitting him hard. I don't need to see any more from him, to see that he is for real. Now, I don't expect him to win 20 games and a CY Young, but I think he'll contribute and stands a good chance to win 14 or 15 games this year with an ERA around 4. If he does that, he'll put himself in contention for a ROY.
Craig B - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#115441) #
JP says Dustin McGowan is throwing really well, he'll get an inning tomorrow. End of May or early June he should be in AA. (Incidentally, that's well ahead of schedule. IF I get a chance, I'll ask Will Carroll about that timing).

More importantly, Quiroz suffered a collapsed lung again. He "just" had surgery to correct the problem, so that hopefully it will never happen again, JP sounded disappointed about Q's injury woes, reiterated that they are VERY high on him.
BrockLanders - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#115442) #
I wish someone ask J.P. what the longterm designs are for Brandon League and Francisco Rosario. RPs or SPs?
R Billie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#115443) #
I think Cantu has shown some surprising power, particularly on fastballs this year. Combine that with a guy who can play second and third and he's worth tracking.

Quiroz has suffered another collapsed lung so it turns out that injury to the back of his shoulder wasn't the only thing he was dealing with. He had a procedure which is supposed to prevent the lungs from collapsing again but it will likely cost him the season. They expect him to be out for a significant amount of time. Hopefully this will finally allow him to stay healthy for the long term.
best400 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#115444) #
Heres the ble jays kicker, theyve grounded into 26 double plays this year, good for first in the AL with Baltimore, two of the best teams in the AL
Flex - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#115445) #
That was a particularly content-free session with JP.

About five times I heard "Great group of guys. Just taking it one day at a time." Yeesh.
Mike D - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#115446) #
I "scouted" the D-Rays for my article last week and I was really struck by how much Cantu's swing and approach at the plate reminded me of Hillenbrand. I'd say Shea is probably Cantu's offensive upside.

Brock Landers, Mike Wilner is an official Friend of Batter's Box. If you ever want to ask a specific question of Wilner or JP, tell his producer when you get through that you're a Batter's Box reader. He's been known to be somewhat solicitous of our calls.
R Billie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#115447) #
I figured the Jays would have a lot of double plays. They have a lot of guys that hit firm ground balls (Cat, Hinske, Johnson, Hillenbrand, Rios, Wells, Zaun). Combine that with having a lot of hitters who would rather swing the bat than take a lot of pitches. Hillenbrand and Rios especially tend to be GIDP machines.
Craig B - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#115448) #
He can't answer questions he ain't asked, though.
BrockLanders - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#115449) #
How funny was the Rios question? That guy was nervous as hell.
To paraphrase, he was frustrated about Rios' inability to hit the ball with authority. J.P. responded that patience is needed and people should be remembered he is batting .320.
BrockLanders - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#115450) #
Oh thanks. Mike. I'll look into it next week. Now I understand the reasoning behind the Cantu question. Thanks again.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#115451) #
So Quiroz is done for the year? If that's true that hurts a lot and keeping Greg Zaun in one piece just became a big priority.
edtjeerd - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#115452) #
JP said that he was out for at least 6 weeks. So he most likely won't get the mid-season call-up unless he wows them down there right away.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#115453) #
Way off topic, but I don't know if any of the roster members have noticed that you are over 2 million hits on your wonderful site. Let me be the first to congratulate you and let you know your had work is appreciated.
Stellers Jay - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#115454) #
Now if I could only proof read! HARD work.
Lefty - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#115455) #
You know I'm sure happy for Big Josh. He had a sweet night to go along with a few others. Granted everybody was smoking Brown tonight. But these kind of games have got to give him some much needed confidence ofter two years in the tank.

He's hitting between the 4-7 hole. Pinella seems to have confidence in him. Thats gotta be heartening. I wonder if the power stroke will come with the confidence?
Ron - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:07 PM EDT (#115456) #
Woah ... I thought JP appeared on Wednesday's....

The bullpen has been excellent the past 8 games. They've only given up 2 earned runs.
Magpie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:25 PM EDT (#115457) #
Recently one has seldom had the opportunity to see Yankees' fans wallowing in misery. I'm trying to make the most of it. So I was browsing over at nyyfans.com and found two things to pass on. First a very interesting note about Halladay's Friday night game that I don't think any of us spotted:

Halladay managed nine strike outs (seven swinging) with the Yankees swinging and missing only eight times. There is certainly no luck there, it has the residue of design to it.

And frustrated Yankee fans can look forward to saying Relax, It's Only September. One can always hope, anyway.

mathesond - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#115458) #
I was able to catch the latter part of the game on TV, and I remember seeing the O's pitch out on a 1-0 count in I believe the 8th inning. Seems like this might be a byproduct of Gibbons calling for more steal attempts and squeeze plays.
R Billie - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:37 PM EDT (#115460) #
The Jays could use some more of that design tomorrow afternoon to keep this thing going. A win means they're 1 game out. A loss pushes them back to 3 games out.
MatO - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#115461) #
The bullpen has thrown a no-hitter. The last 9.2IP they have not allowed a hit.

Vic Rauter continued his post-game butchery. Just some of tonight's gems:
Eli Marinaro
Ruben Sierro
New CF for the Yanks is Hideki Nomo.
Ducey - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:55 PM EDT (#115463) #
A pleasure to read this thread tonight...
gv27 - Tuesday, May 03 2005 @ 11:57 PM EDT (#115464) #
9.2 innings of no-hit ball from the bullpen... and they are very aware of it. Scott Schoeneweis (politely) danced around the subject prior to the game tonight. Apparently, you don't talk about a no-hitter while one is in progress, even if it's stretched over three days!
Magpie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#115466) #
New CF for the Yanks is Hideki Nomo.

Well, at least he can throw.

Jays are juggling the rotation a bit with all the off-days ahead over the next couple of weeks. It should look something like this:

Wed  4 May at Blt - Halladay
Thu  5 May - OFF
Fri  6 May vs Chi - Bush
Sat  7 May vs Chi - Lilly
Sun  8 May vs Chi - Chacin
Mon  9 May vs KC  - Halladay (4 days off)
Tue 10 May vs KC  - Towers (6 days off)
Wed 11 May vs KC  - Bush (4 days off)
Thu 12 May - OFF
Fri 13 May at Cle - Lilly (5 days off)
Sat 14 May at Cle - Halladay (4 days off)
Sun 15 May at Cle - Chacin (6 days off)
Mon 16 May - OFF
Tue 17 May at Min - Towers (6 days off)
Wed 18 May at Min - Bush (6 days off)
Thu 19 May at Min - Halladay (4 days off)
Fri 20 May vs Wsh - Lilly (6 days off)
Sat 21 May vs Wsh - Chacin (5 days off)
Hmmm. Spot the trend! From now through the end of the Twins series, Doc gets 4 starts, Bush 3 and everyone else 2.
Flex - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#115468) #
Strange that with all that juggling they still end up with Lilly and Chacin back-to-back.
Magpie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#115469) #
they still end up with Lilly and Chacin back-to-back.

That figures because the only real thing they're doing is sending Doc out there every fifth day and everybody slides back to let it happen. What's really unlikely is that Lilly and Chacin both pitch against Chicago, Cleveland, and Washington - they both miss Kansas City and Minnesota. We never get one of them finishing a series and the other guy starting the next one.

Ah, not that big a deal.

adore50000 - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:29 AM EDT (#115470) #
A 1-0 game.

Note the lack of complaints :p

This was a treasure to watch (esp. because we won)....

On a POSITIVE note, has anyone noted our pitching? Is this Arnsberg's due? Or is this happenstance? Our pitching has been superlative; no one factor has dominated more. Let's hope we keep this pace...

Joe - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:30 AM EDT (#115471) #
Unusual. Would Halladay be asking to work on 4 days' rest?

It is my perception that I've seen several bad games for pitchers going on more than 5 days' rest (though not so many bad games for pitchers going on 4 days' rest). I don't trust my perception, though; are there any studies on what has happened in situations like this?

With Chacin, Towers, and (of course) The Doctor throwing so well recently, I'd think that working them on an irregular schedule could be sub-optimal.
Magpie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:39 AM EDT (#115472) #
Would Halladay be asking to work on 4 days' rest?

I doubt it - I think Gibbons and Arnsberg just want to ride the Big Horse.

As for the other guys getting a little extra rest... well, Lilly is the only one who has ever spent a complete season in a major league rotation, and he's the guy who basically missed spring training. But mainly, I think they want to keep the Big Fella on track.

uglyone - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:40 AM EDT (#115473) #
<i>On a POSITIVE note, has anyone noted our pitching? Is this Arnsberg's due?</i>

2005: 2.6 bb/9, 9.0h/9, 6.0k/9
2004: 3.9 bb/9, 9.5h/9, 6.1k/9

The key number there, of course, being the bb/9.

I vote that it's Arnie's due.
Ryan C - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 12:51 AM EDT (#115474) #
We never get one of them finishing a series and the other guy starting the next one.

What's the protocol for switching up your pitching rotation anyway? Is there one? It looks like they could separate Lilly and Chacin adequately (and not have them constantly facing the same team) just by giving Chacin's next start to Towers and then flipping all the rest of their starts. At first glance it doesnt look like anyone would be working on short rest or more than 6 days rest. Would something like that be considered insulting or anything? Whatever the case Im sure the Jays know alot more about this than I do and have their reasons so Im just askin'.

Magpie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 01:31 AM EDT (#115475) #
Would something like that be considered insulting or anything?

Nah. I suspect they don't really think Chacin and Lilly going back-to-back all the time is that big a deal. They're both LH but they're not really similar pitchers. One of them works up in the zone and throws a big curve; the other works down in the zone and throws a lot of cutters.

However, those of us old enough to remember when the Jays had Mike Flanagan, Jimmy Key, John Cerutti, and Jeff Musselman in the rotation at the same time - none of them could break 90 regularly, they all needed to keep the ball down - know how it can turn into a problem.

Craig B - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 02:24 AM EDT (#115476) #
Well, Magpie, people said that about the '88 team, but if you look at the numbers, all four of those pitchers were very effective in '88. As a group, they were more effective all together in '88 than they were in either '87 or '89.

I think there's a somewhat obvious reason for that which gets overlooked (or at least, got overlooked at the time). If you had to pick the kind of pitcher that hitters hate to face, it's slow-throwing lefties with real good junk. Hitters like fastballs, and hate facing slop-throwing lefties because it messes up their timing. If you're going to put guys back-to-back, I'd rather do it with guys like Flanagan, Key and Cerutti rather than a bunch of hard-throwing righties who throw a vanilla fastball/slider/change combo.

Magpie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 04:23 AM EDT (#115477) #
I was thinking of how 1989 started with those four and Stieb. And it didn't turn out so well. I don't think the four were actually all together in the rotation before 1989 though. Musselman pitched almost entirely in relief in 1987, and Flanagan didn't join the team until the end of August. As for 1988, Key and Musselman spent most of the first half on the shelf, Cerutti was still going back and forth between the pen and the rotation. Clancy was still around as another RH hard thrower.... Well, hell. Let me check on that...

OK, April 1988 they begin with a five man rotation of Key, Flanagan, Clancy, Stieb, and (surprise!) a rookie named Todd Stottlemyre. Key makes three starts, goes on the DL, Cerutti takes his rotation spot (23 April). Stottlemyre struggles a bit and Jose Nunez takes a couple of starts. But for the most part, it's three RH and two LH through the first few months.

Key returns on 29 June and Cerutti goes back to the bullpen. Cerutti will make just one more start over the rest of the year (he appears to be filling in when Stieb misses a turn in late July.)

In early July, a struggling Jim Clancy goes to the bullpen for a few weeks. Jeff Musselman goes straight into the rotation on July 18 - now it's two RH and three LH. When Clancy returns to the rotation, he replaces Stottlemyre. And for the final two months, it's Stieb, Clancy, Key, Flanagan, Musselman.

Magpie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 04:29 AM EDT (#115478) #
Of course, what went wrong in early 1989 was that Flanagan was so bad he was released and Musselman fessed up to a drinking problem and was soon traded. Key was healthier in 89 than he was in 88; he just wasn't as good. Cerutti was the only LH in 1989 who really pitched well.

The Division champs. Only one starting pitcher was better than .500...

Magpie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 04:30 AM EDT (#115479) #
Oops. My bad. Flanagan flamed out in 1990, of course.
NDG - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 08:31 AM EDT (#115485) #
Nah. I suspect they don't really think Chacin and Lilly going back-to-back all the time is that big a deal. They're both LH but they're not really similar pitchers.

I agree with this, but would like to keep Bush and Towers apart because they are fairly similar. I mean it's not the biggest deal, but it couldn't hurt.

Mike Green - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#115496) #
Following up on Magpie's likely projected starters, the Jays have a day off on May 23, and then only 2 days off from then until the end of June. The other starters will be pitching more regularly. If everyone stays healthy, Doc will end up the season with 36-37 starts and the other starters at 31-32. Chacin, Towers and Bush look like they will be able to average 6+ innings per start, which would mean 190-200 innings. That would be just about perfect.
Coach - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#115506) #
I agree that Bush-Towers are far more alike than Lilly-Chacin. Actually, the "worst" spot for Dave or Josh is probably following Doc, as they have a similar approach with less overpowering stuff. But you can't always design a rotation around that principle. Halladay should make every start on normal rest, unless there's a scenario where he can face two divisional rivals and you bring him back a day early. Gus can affect any team's timing with his patented stutter-step, but when Lilly is in his best groove -- obviously not yet -- he's the ideal #2 from a "change the look" perspective.

How much credit for this superb recent pitching should go to Brad Arnsberg and Bruce Walton, I don't know exactly. What the coaches have done to improve their staff's mechanics is difficult enough to measure. (Lacking freeze-frame video or time to view it, I can't say what's different about Frasor, only that he's never looked better.) Then there's the psychological aspects, primarily confidence, that affect any player. Gibby receives high marks in this area from those of us who believe it matters. An instinctive tactician, the skipper is also a positive, inspirational leader. His handling of the (we hope, temporarily) dead-armed Speier has been decisive and considerate.

The whole coaching staff and the front office will tell you, modestly, that all the credit goes to the pitchers. Granted, players are most responsible for their own performance. Success is actually a top-down team effort: put the right people in the right situations with the right support. Every Jay seems to have a role that allows him to contribute, even Matt Whiteside, whose job it is to stay ready if a starter ever does get lit up again while more talented kids get regular work in Syracuse. Not that I'm defending the 12-pitcher roster construction; 11 guys simultaneously going good is plenty. :)
costanza - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#115527) #
Oops. My bad. Flanagan flamed out in 1990, of course.

Yup, his outing in the '89 ALCS was (unfortunately) pretty hard to forget...

R Billie - Wednesday, May 04 2005 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#115575) #
Did anyone ever read Baseball Prospectus' piece on the importance of coaching to player performance and development?

I never got to read the study but they concluded that it is quite important. Leo Mazzone for instance they decided was worth the hype based on the improvement players experienced under him.

There's no question that the Jays have been a different hitting team this year under Brantley than they were under Barnett recently. Although their lack of hitters with strong isolated power might catch up with them.

So yes, I am willing to give Arnsberg and Walton a nod for the way the staff is throwing. Although between Halladay, Bush, Towers, and Chacin you have 4 starters who don't walk many batters anyway. And Bush hasn't even been at his best. Ted Lilly remains the one starter who absolutely drives me up the wall with his inconsistent command.

I had a lot of concern for the pen but outside of Whiteside and Speier the situation seems to have settled in the last week or so.
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