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As you probably know the Jays had a pretty big hole in the middle infield this past year. How bad was it? Here are the non-Aaron Hill numbers (also excludes Glaus at SS):

Player AB BA OBP SLG OPS WARP1
John McDonald 260 0.223 0.271 0.308 0.579 -0.2
Russ Adams 251 0.219 0.282 0.319 0.600 -0.2
Edgardo Alfonzo 37 0.162 0.279 0.189 0.468 -0.1
Ryan Roberts 13 0.077 0.143 0.308 0.451 -0.1
Luis Figueroa 9 0.111 0.111 0.222 0.333 -0.1
Total 570 0.212 0.269 0.304 0.573 -0.7

Not only were the Jays bad, they were below replacement level. So to have a middle infield position as a priority this offseason makes sense.

From today's Sun:

As for an infielder, Ricciardi said his club has interest in shortstop Julio Lugo, but Lugo is said to be looking for four years and $32 million.

If that's true, it would seem to be beyond what the Jays can and are willing to pay.

"We'll just have to see what the final figures are," Ricciardi said. "We know what we can afford and if the bidding gets too high, then we'll go to Plan B. But right now things are up in the air and I don't know where we're going to land. We'll just have to wait and see how things play out."


A couple of things I picked up here: Lugo appears to be the 'Plan A' in the middle infield for the Jays. They just aren't willing to get in a bidding war for him which is a reasonable stance to take. Also, the writer assumes that the Jays wouldn't be willing to pay that amount for Lugo. I'm not sure I agree with that. Eight million/year doesn't seem outlandish to me, especially if the Jays can take the payroll to $90 million.

In the event that the Red Sox sign Daisuke Matsuzaka they will have used up a lot of cash. They apparently have also already made an offer to JD Drew which I'd have to imagine is more than the $11 million/year he gave up. If that's the case I can't imagine that they'd have a lot left over for Lugo.

The Mets were the other main team expected to be interested in Lugo, but they re-signed Jose Valentin yesterday so I wouldn't expect them to have interest any more.

So there's a chance that the Jays might be the top suitor for Lugo.

But should they be? Here's a look at some of the middle infield options:

Player Age 05 WARP1 06 WARP1 2 Yr ave
Lugo 31 8.4 3.4 5.9
Gonzalez 30 1.5 2.6 2.1





Durham 35 4.2 5.0 4.6
Loretta 35 3.2 2.3 2.8
Kennedy 31 4.2 4.5 4.4

Lugo was injured at the beginning of 2006 and after being traded to the Dodgers and filling a utility role he didn't play all that well. The 3.4 WARP1 he put up was in 72 games with the Devil Rays. The two year average of 5.9 WARP I think is a decent estimate of what to expect from Lugo, at least for next season. At the very least I would expect a 4 WARP1 from Lugo for the next few years.

Baseball Prospectus has estimated that one marginal win is worth about $2.14 million. And that study was from 2005 so it's certainly higher than that today. Lugo has the potential to be a 6 win player for the Jays, which would make $8 million/year look like a bargain.

The other benefit of signing Lugo, over someone like Durham or Kennedy, is that it allows Aaron Hill to stay at 2B which almost everyone feels is his stronger position (he did hit better as a SS, but I think that's just randomness).

Assuming the Jays have $22 million to work with this offseason they could spend $8 million on Lugo, $5 million on Zaun (probably a high estimate, but a possibility) and then still have $9 million left over to sign a starter. That'd leave some potential weakness in the rotation, but the Jays have a lot more internal candidates to fill out the rotation that could be as good as a $6-8 million/year free agent starter than they do to fill the middle infield hole at a similar price.

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Newton - Tuesday, November 14 2006 @ 03:29 PM EST (#157865) #

I'd take Lugo at 8 mill per year for 4 years.  Its far safer than investing the money in a mid-range hit or miss pitcher and far more likely to have a big impact given our team make-up.

If Hill can play a legit big league SS some veteran 2nd base options:  Belliard, Loretta, even Durham, could be interesting as backup plans. 

I'd prefer Lugo however as infield D should be paramount with Doc and AJ heading up the rotation.

 

MrElbertBuffin - Tuesday, November 14 2006 @ 04:41 PM EST (#157870) #
I recall reading in October that the Blue Jays were the team that Torre said he would least like to face in the post season given the quality of pitching that they were receiving from Doc, AJ and Lily.  Especially given the Cardinals run, it becomes clear that if a team is trying to win the world series on a medium range budget, it would be wise to spend on those 1-3 spot starters, and then save cash on young farm raised talent for the 4-5 spots, spending that instead on position players who can assist all of the way through the playoffs. 

Of course, this assumes that the team can make the playoffs - obviously more difficult in the AL East than the NL Central.  Nonetheless, if one is going to try to buy those few extra 2 million dollar wins, of which the Jays can afford 11 given their $22 million to spend, I think that after singing an effective starter (Lily), the remainder is best alloted to the position deficiencies.  Could things get worse in the 4-5 spots than this last season?  Is that risk worth spending $6-8 million (3-4 wins) on a number four starter?

I guess I'd rather try to win the world series with Chacin and Marcum/Romero/McGowan, than try to make the playoffs by paying $9.5 million for a number four starter like Matt Clement.

Bring on Lugo. Clap-Clap-Clap.

actionjackson - Tuesday, November 14 2006 @ 05:21 PM EST (#157878) #
I'd love to have Lugo at 4 years for $32 million.

 I looked at eight SS across the major leagues who've either been through free agency or are signed through their first few years of free agency: Cabrera, Furcal, Guillen, Jeter, Renteria, Rollins, Tejada, and Vizquel. I looked at the salary they expect to receive in 2007 and the average of their WARP3's of the past three seasons. Their aggregate 2007 salaries worked out to $77.5 million, while the aggregate of their 2004-2006 average WARP3's was 62.3. That works out to an average of $1.24 million per 1.0 of WARP3. Based on Lugo's 3 season average WARP3 of 7.4 multiplied by 1.24, I calculated a value of $9.2 million. I think it's safe to say with guys like Cabrera and Renteria getting 4 year deals, Lugo would not be out of line asking for a 5 year $46 mil deal, so 4/$32 mil is quite a bargain.

The two biggest bargains out there are Omar Vizquel and Carlos Guillen. What would it take to get one of them in a trade? I know Vizquel is 40, but his eye is fabulous as he walked more than he struck out last year, he still has guile on the basepaths (24 SB, 7 CS, for a 77.4 SB%) and the ability to reach base to utilize that speed with a .361 OBA last year. He's set to make $4 million next year, which is about what Alex Gonzalez is going to command, at least Gonzalez is worth $3.9 million according his WARP3's over the last 3 years. Guillen is set to make $5mil next year and he's a phenomenal talent although his glove can't match the 40 year old Vizquel's. Counsell should not be considered as a starter but in the Johnny Mac spot there might be a match.
actionjackson - Wednesday, November 15 2006 @ 01:16 AM EST (#157895) #
I quickly re-did the work from the above post adding in players signed through their free agency years like: Juan Castro, Eckstein, C. Guzman, R. Martinez, N. Perez, J. Reyes, and Jack Wilson. It worked out to $1.13 mil per WARP3 point averaged between 2004-2006. Therefore I would say Lugo is worth 1.13 times the 7.4 WARP3 he averaged between 2004 and 2006, which works out to 8.362 per year and stretch that out over 5 years and you're looking at $42 mil. 4/$32 mil is still a bargain, though not as much as I thought.
Chuck - Wednesday, November 15 2006 @ 09:43 AM EST (#157905) #
Based on Lugo's 3 season average WARP3 of 7.4 multiplied by 1.24, I calculated a value of $9.2 million.

While I appreciate that your methodology may be more "back of a napkin" than scientific, I would suggest that a linear relationship between dollars and WARP3 may not be entirely appropriate.

Talent, in baseball, is not normally distributed. Rather, it is distributed as per the rightmost portion of the normal curve. That is to say, a glut at the far left  (the low end of the talent pool) with rapidly diminishing numbers as you move to the right. The downward curve drops more steeply than a straight line meaning that the "average" talent level is greater than the "median" talent level, meaning that the incremental cost of talent should be higher than the average cost.

So, the cost of each of the first few points of WARP3 figures to be less than the incremental cost of adding each extra point of WARP3 after a certain amount.

Going back to Lugo then, if the Jays could be certain that he'd replicate his WARP3 of 7.4 (far from a guarantee given his age and performance history), a model assigning dollars to WARP3 would probably have him as worth more than the $9.2M you suggested (the rationale being that every point of WARP3 after 5, say, would be incrementally more expensive than each of the first 5 points of WARP3).

But I don't think the Jays see the issue as a WARP3 of 7.4 not being worth $8-9M, but rather that Lugo may be extremely hard pressed to once again perform at that level.
Pistol - Wednesday, November 15 2006 @ 10:43 AM EST (#157909) #
In addition to what Chuck said, the other thing to consider is that the comparisons were signed at least a year ago.  A Mark DeRosa type wasn't going to get $4.3 million/year last year or before that.  I think you almost need to tack on 20% if you're going to make a comparison to someone that signed prior to this year.
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