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The Pittsburgh Pirates have led off the post-season axe brigade by firing manager Jim Tracy, who took the squad to a 68-94 mark this year, not precisely a quantum leap from the '06 67-95 slate.

C'mon, Jim! Bucco management clearly provided you with 71-win talent!

So, start your bidding, Bauxites -- who's next? And who should (or who will) replace Tracy?

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Chuck - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#175039) #
I think the change in the front office was far more important than the change in manager. This is one sorry ass, moribund organization that will take a while to turn around. I can't imagine many managers wanting this gig, at least if they have more than one suitor. I think a young, no-name is the route to go rather than a veteran retread. What possible difference could a veteran manager make to this team's short term fate anyway?
Chuck - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#175040) #

Speaking of moribund... Orioles VP Jim Duquette has resigned. Victor Zambrano waits in the wings for his newest assignment.

mathesond - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#175041) #
How about Joe Girardi? He had the low-budget Marlins in contention most of last year, and they did win 7 fewer games this year after his falling out with Loria. He's young, has but 1 year of managerial experience (which makes him more affordable than the veteran retreads), and in the NL Central, 80 wins isn't out of the realm of possibility for this team, which automatically puts them in contention for the division title
Chuck - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#175042) #
Didn't Girardi turn down a mid-season offer from the Orioles? If so, he's probably holding out for better than the Pirates.
mathesond - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#175043) #
True, but his two likely targets seemed to be the Yankees and the Cubs. Lou looks to have a couple years left on the North Side, and while Torre may decide to step down, there's no guarantee that Girardi is the top candidate to replace him.

Also, he may have rejected the O's due to their meddling ownership situation. He might feel more comfortable working for the new folks in PIttsburgh - and they may give him plenty of leeway, since he would be their first 'face of the franchise' (players excepted)

Mick Doherty - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#175044) #

On the "Who's next?" part of the question, one guy I hope is safe is Cincy's Pete Mackanin. Jerry Narron was fired at 31-51, then Mack too the Reds to 41-39 in the second half, and he's still got the "interim" tag next to his name.

Ironically enough, Mack used to manage the Pirates; he was 12-14 to finish 2005, before being replaced by ... Jim Tracy. Managing those two clubs and being 53-53, maybe he should be nicknamed Pete "Connie" Mackanin!

Mike Green - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#175046) #
Another second baseman turned manager...I just can't wait for 2020 when Orlando Hudson gets his first managerial job.  The interviews will be priceless.
HippyGilmore - Friday, October 05 2007 @ 11:51 PM EDT (#175048) #

Completely off topic, but I just read something in Keith Law's chat on ESPN.com that will be of enormous interest to Jays fans interested in the inner workings of our past few drafts:

I was with Toronto at the time Tulo was in the draft. I saw him a couple of games with Team USA and thought he was the second-best college player in the draft, after Alex Gordon and ahead of Zimmerman, Braun, and the guy we took when Ricciardi overruled the draft room, Ricky Romero. I saw plus range, a 70 arm, plus power (projected), but maybe average hitting because he had length in his swing and didn't adjust well to breaking stuff from RHP. If you'd done a poll in our draft room, it would have been about 2:1 in favor of Tulo over Romero, but like I said, the GM decided he knew better after seeing each guy play one game.

Link to chat is here:

http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/3050320

I'm sure this won't surprise a lot of people, because I think it was the general feeling at the time that more than anything else, Romero was J.P's guy, but I'm extremely surprised at both the candidness of Keith Law and the division within the draft room. 2 out of 3 people in that room were completely against J.P.'s gut and wanted Tulowitzki, and he overruled them after having only watched one game of each? I mean, Keith Law doesn't seem like an overly bitter guy looking to get back at his old boss so I'm willing to take him at his word. And I'm certainly not suggesting this says something overly negative about Ricciardi, because as the GM he has to make the pick and live with it. But to know that 2 out of 3 guys in that room wanted Tulo....Very very interesting to think about.

ayjackson - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 12:05 AM EDT (#175049) #

Two out of three against Ricciardi means that one out of three were in favour of him.  Obviously, a GM is going to listen to everybody, but be convinced by certain people.  In this case, it likely was the wrong people.

Secondly, we should take anything Law says with a grain of salt because he is seemingly always grinding an Axe for JP...which is odd for someone who apparently left on his own accord.

JP likely blew it on this one, and probably lost some faith in those that he listened to, however, Law is an immature ass for the way he keeps going on publicly about how bad JP is.

HippyGilmore - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#175051) #

Yeah, you might be right ayjackson, here is his response to a followup question:

Ricciardi tends to listen to his underlings when they agree with him. I can't put it any more plainly than that.

Rough!

Dez - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 01:15 AM EDT (#175052) #
You say "Keith Law doesn't seem like an overly bitter guy looking to get back at his old boss so I'm willing to take him at his word..." Have you been paying attention to any of Law's comments re: the Jays since his resignation/dismissal? Most notably, his running of a story saying that Vernon Wells would not sign with the Blue Jays because of a lack of African American players on the team. Ricciardi responded by saying "Keith Law is officially an idiot". Law says that Ricciardi tends to listen to his underlings when they agree with him, but gives credit to one of them, Tony Lacava, for the picks of Casey Janssen, Shaun Marcum, and Adam Lind. Convenient, eh? Given their history, I think it's fair to say that Law does want to get back at his old boss.
HippyGilmore - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 03:34 AM EDT (#175055) #
I was just trying to be fair to Law, because he certainly knows a lot more about what went on than I do. Maybe he does have an ax to grind, it's certainly possible, I'm just not qualified to make that judgement.
CeeBee - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#175058) #
Law probably does know a lot more than the average or even knowledgable fan but the big question in my mind is whether his dislike for JP is influencing his comments or even his reasoning. Seems to me he should be over JP by now?
Mike Green - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#175061) #
The Yankees got the gnats yesterday, so what plague is about to befall the Cubs in Arizona?  Locusts would be original, and a power outage is definitely a possibility, but my money's on boils.  If I were Rich Hill, I'd be wearing hospital gloves on my pitching hand all day...

Curses are one thing, but this business is carrying it way too far.

greenfrog - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#175063) #
Law may have a few valid criticisms of the Jays' front office, but he's hopelessly biased and is acting like a petulant twerp.

I hope he doesn't expect to land a front office job ever again. What organization would ever hire someone like that after this messy, interminable breakup?
ANationalAcrobat - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#175064) #
Good point, greenfrog! He's forever stuck in the fourth estate if he plans on staying in baseball...
Ryan Day - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#175065) #
The big problem with Law's quote, beyond any possible bias, is that he thought Tulowitzki was a better player than Ryan Braun. Tulowitzki's a good looking player - though one who hit 256/327/393 on the road, so let's not get too excited just yet - but Braun is just a monster.  He also said that Matt Antonelli projected as a utility player in the majors, and BA just named him one of the best prospects in the minors.

Frankly, his track record doesn't really back up claims of "I knew best."

TamRa - Saturday, October 06 2007 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#175067) #

For the sake of speculation, let's say for the moment that JP did listen to bad advice in taking Romero (and I am by no means convinced Romero is a bust) and that led to him changing what advice he took...given the last two drafts, I'm inclined to thing that might be a net gain that more than makes up for not having Tulo in the long run. Assuming he's getting his advice from someone else since the Romero draft.

 

 

ANationalAcrobat - Sunday, October 07 2007 @ 12:39 AM EDT (#175068) #
Nice judgement Will, I'm glad to see JP getting credit for the last couple of drafts - he certainly deserves it. I really do think he's at least average, perhaps quite a bit above average at drafting. Perhaps this is part of the backlash against JP's work, but I'm on board.
ANationalAcrobat - Sunday, October 07 2007 @ 12:50 AM EDT (#175069) #
Ryan, I agree that Law's record is very questionable, but it is true that Tulo's defense is excellent and Braun's awful....plus Tulo has more ABs.
Dave Rutt - Sunday, October 07 2007 @ 03:20 AM EDT (#175070) #
I'm going to have to agree with the Acrobat on this one. If this season is any indication, Troy is one of the top 5 shortstops in baseball starting now. Is Ryan Braun a top 5 third baseman? A-Rod, Wright, Chipper are all squarely ahead, and one could make a case for Lowell, Zimmerman, Aramis, and Atkins.
Original Ryan - Sunday, October 07 2007 @ 12:03 PM EDT (#175071) #
In other managerial news, Joe Torre could be looking for work as early as tomorrow.

JustinD - Sunday, October 07 2007 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#175076) #
The Yankees got the gnats yesterday, so what plague is about to befall the Cubs in Arizona?  Locusts would be original, and a power outage is definitely a possibility, but my money's on boils.  If I were Rich Hill, I'd be wearing hospital gloves on my pitching hand all day...

Curses are one thing, but this business is carrying it way too far.


Wow, you called the power outage, but just in the wrong city.  Lets hope we don't see death of the first born or anything like that.

If Torre was fired, I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Jays uni next  year.

jgadfly - Monday, October 08 2007 @ 01:18 AM EDT (#175079) #

RE: Travis Snider... some interesting reading at BaseballAmerica...( http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/features/264994.html )  ...as they reveal their minor league AllStar selections... 1st Team DH and some very complementary comparisons and company...Travis Snider

 

 

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