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On a mostly quiet night on the farm, the clear offensive standout was Anthony Gose, and Travis Snider continues to demand the attention of decision makers in Toronto.


Las Vegas 4, Tuscon 2

With the Blue Jays' rotation in shambles, persistent underdog Scott Richmond again stated his case for consideration in Las Vegas Thursday night. Richmond gave up a single hit (and 4 walks) over 6.1 shutout innings while striking out 6. Sadly for the 32 year old right-hander, his declarations of this sort are two infrequent to constitute a compelling case, the last one coming almost a month ago. Evan Crawford followed with 1.2 innings in which he likewise held the opposition without a run (indeed, without a baserunner) and the Padres' only two runs were charged to Jerry Gil in the 9th.

Offensively, Anthony Gose chose to celebrate his selection to the Futures game in style, recording a 3 hits in 4 official at bats, one of which was a double, to go with a walk, and RBI and two stolen bases. The other prospect headed to Kansas City for the Futures Game is Travis d'Arnaud, who observed the occasion in a more subdued fashion (i.e., he went hitless).

The Snider-Watch continues, with yet another homer in a 2 for 5 night. Since being recalled from the DL, Snider has played in five games, recorded 20 AB, and posted a .400 BA and a 1.328 OPS, homering in the last three consecutive games. Small sample size noted but he was hardly struggling even before the injury. Someone mentioned in another thread that it's time to install Snider in LF in Toronto and forget him for the rest of the season.

I concur.


New Hampshire 3, Reading 9

I know I wasn't the only one who was thrilled with John Stilson's AA debut five days ago. Tonight we got a collective reality check as the Reading Phillies experienced much success with him on the mound. In 2 innings of work Stilson allowed 5 runs, all earned. His successor, Trystan Magnuson, was equally unimpressive, being charged with 4 runs in 1.2 innings. One has to wonder what's going on with Magnuson this year.

At the plate it was an equally underwhelming game. Mike McDade, Brian Van Kirk and rehabbing Ben Francisco had 2 hits each, the later two including a double. John Tolisano also doubled.


Dunedin 1, Brevard County 7

Egan Smith has his usual workman-like outing, allowing only 1 run over 5 innings while only striking out 1. The game went south, however, when the bullpen got involved. Re-habbing Alan Farina was touched for 2 runs in his two-thirds of an inning, and he was followed by another pitcher coming off TJ surgery, Randy Boone, who compounded the problem by allowing 3 runs in his one inning of work.

Jake Marisnick was the only hitter with more than one hit and the only one with an XBH (a double). Nothing else remarkable happened at the plate.


Lansing is on the last day of their All-Star break.


Vancouver 3, Tri-City 1

While it's true that the Canadians got short shrift when it came time for the Blue Jays to pass out the prospect candy, don't tell that to 2011 29th rounder Tyler Cole. The 22 year old RHP tossed six quality innings giving up a single run Thursday night and two relievers held the opposition scoreless after he left.

On offense, everyone's favorite sleeper Dalton Pompey had 2 hits, as did unheralded SS Matt Johnson. The big blow was Balbino Fuenmayor's eighth inning 2 run double which broke up the previously tied contest.


Bluefield played a double header...

Game 1: Bluefield 6, Bristol 8

Kevin Comer had originally been scheduled for a tandem start with Kevin Robson but given the unusual turn of events, they each got their own start today. In the early game, Comer gave up 2 runs in 4 innings of work, allowing 2 hits and noe walks while striking out 2. He watched that reasonably good outing go to waste, however, as Devy Estrada was torched for 6 runs, 4 of them earned, in 1.2 innings.

Even though the offense successfully plated six runs, the individual stats don't show any outstanding performances. Five hitters recorded a single hit, and only Art Charles' 2 run homer was noteable among them. Charles also drew two walks.


Game 2: Bluefield 0, Bristol 5

Robson did not fare as well, giving up 4 runs, 3 earned, in his 4 innings. The good news is that he struck out 4 while walking none, and that Griffin Murphy gave up a single run in 2 innings of relief.

The lineup was entirely hitless with the exception of Alex Azor, who was 2 for 4.


GCL Jays 1, GCL Yankees 3


The name you are interested in among Thursday's pitchers for the GCL squad is Jario Labourt, and he did well. He threw 3 shutout innings walking one, striking out 2. Brando Kaye was the goat for the bullpen, allowing 2 runs in 2.2 IP however, he did strike out 6 while walking none that's not nothin'.


At the plate, Jesus Gonzalez had an all or nothing night one homer and three strikeouts. That was the only XBH among the three hits recorded by the team. Question for those who know the system: What is the significance of Gabe Cenas playing 1B while some guy of seemingly little import playing third? One has to assume this is a sign his future is set at first, does one not?



Third Star: Taylor Cole 6 one-run innings on a night when the guys considered prospects had difficulty.

Second Star: Scott Richmond doesn't do it often but gotta give props.

First Star: Anthony Gose Just being Ant'ny, letting his legs do the talking.


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Richard S.S. - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 09:39 AM EDT (#259079) #
Is it possible no one better was able to play 1B that game?
Is it possible Cenas is being cross-trained for playing more than one position?
Or - why not?
eldarion - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 10:30 AM EDT (#259084) #
It's fun looking at that GCL roster and dreaming 'what if'. Lord knows it's better than looking too closely at our major league starting rotation.
Mike Green - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#259086) #
Jake Marisnick appears to have made a pretty good recovery from his injury.  One of the areas of abundance in the organization is in centerfield.  This does not mean that a trade is necessary; one can move centerfielders to a corner.  However, players like Rasmus, Gose or Marisnick have more value as centerfielders and it does appear that the club will not be able to maximize the value of all of them in Toronto.  The club faced a similar situation a few years ago with Wells and Rios, but in that case had no one behind them in the organization.
Ryan Day - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#259091) #
I recall BA saying that Marisnick is a pretty good centre fielder, but might be better suited to right field down the line. If his power continues to develop, he'd have more than enough bat for the position.

In a perfect world, you'd have Gose in centre, Marisnick in right, Snider in left, and trade Rasmus for a tidy package. Alas, we do not live in a perfect world.
Nigel - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 12:20 PM EDT (#259098) #
Deciding that you're better off keeping Gose and Marisneck and punting Rasmus is counting a lot of chickens before they hatch.  To me, Rasmus looks more likely to be, long term, the 4+ WAR player that he was 2 years ago than the 2ish WAR player that he was last year.  Rasmus is only 25 - if it were me, I would consider moving one of the other two first.
Chuck - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#259100) #

Deciding that you're better off keeping Gose and Marisneck and punting Rasmus is counting a lot of chickens before they hatch. 

Yes indeed. There is an interesting TED talk on "optimism bias", a phenomenon that is apparently more prevalent than not among us hairless apes. I believe that it is manifest in full colour when evaluating a beloved team's prospects.

mathesond - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#259101) #
Or, you could move Snider to DH and go with Marisnick, Rasmus, and Gose in the outfield
Beyonder - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#259102) #
Kevin Goldstein recently called it "Shiny New Toy Syndrome".
Ryan Day - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 01:53 PM EDT (#259106) #
Well, yes, that's where the "in a perfect world" part of my comment comes in. In 2-3 years, who knows if any of them will be good enough to play CF or any other position.
Shaker - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#259113) #
Not so shiny: Mike McCoy's OBP is 8 pts higher than Gose's...
Hodgie - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#259114) #
Not so shiny: Mike McCoy's OBP is 8 pts higher than Gose's..

As is his age.

Maldoff - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#259115) #
Anyone have any information on the whereabouts of Dwight Smith Jr. or Mitch Nay (this year's supp draft choice)? Smith is listed on the Bluefield roster, but has yet to see game action.  Nay is not listed anywhere.
sam - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#259117) #
It would seem from Smith's twitter account that he is in Bluefield, just yet to play. Nay is in Florida and yet to play there as well. Unsure whether injuries have prevented them from taking competitive swings.

The Jays have a substantial number of position player prospects across rookie ball. Finding competitive at-bats for all these guys might be a bit challenging. Derrick Loveless is another name yet to appear.
eldarion - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 05:15 PM EDT (#259127) #
Out of curiosity, what are Rasmus' minor leagues numbers compared to Gose and Marisnick? Are they drastically better?
Mike Green - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#259128) #
Good question.  Rasmus and Gose are both born in August and played in double A and triple A at the same age.  Rasmus hit .275/.381/.557 in the Texas League at age 20.  That is pretty clearly better than what Gose did last year in the Eastern League.  Rasmus hit .251/.341/.396 in the PCL (American Association side) at age 21.  That is pretty much comparable to what Gose has done in Las Vegas so far this year once you make the context adjustment.  Rasmus had been the better hitter earlier in his minor league career. 
92-93 - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#259130) #
Rasmus, 19, A+: .254/.351/.404
Gose, 19, A+: .262/.332/.393
Marisnick, 21, A+: .268/.348/.432

Rasmus, 20, AA: .275/.381/.551
Gose, 20, AA: .253/.349/.415

Rasmus, 21, AAA: .251/.346/.396
Gose, 21, AAA: .294/.373/.429

Rasmus showed considerably more power than Gose, but Gose has the defensive/speed advantage. Rasmus was the highest regarded prospect of the 3.
Mike Green - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 05:39 PM EDT (#259131) #
Rasmus also didn't strike out as much as Gose does.  Gose (incidentally) has made a stride forward in that department over the last two months after a horrible April.  We will see if he can keep it up. 
sam - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#259134) #
Anthony Gose needs more time in the minors. I've seen a couple of his games this year online and he cannot hit left-handers. He is still very, very raw at the plate in terms of swing and approach. His numbers this season are as much a testament to his incredible athleticism than to a more refined approach at the plate. I have high hopes for him, but taking the Desmond Jennings approach to his development here at AAA I think might be the best idea. If he's promoted at any point this year, he's going to go back down as soon as he starts to see major league breaking balls or faces a single left hander.
92-93 - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#259135) #
Good thing the Jays backup CF is a RHB who fares well vs. LHP. Davis is the perfect backup for a Snider/Gose/Rasmus outfield.
sam - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 06:22 PM EDT (#259137) #
92/93, I know what you're saying, but I'm skeptical the Jays would promote Anthony Gose to have him platoon. I could be wrong, but my understanding when it comes to big-time positional prospects, if they're being promoted, it's to play everyday.

As I recall from previous posts, you're not the biggest fan of Jose Bautista in RF going forward. Again I could be wrong and I apologize if I'm mistaken in assuming this, but Bautista is really good out there. From watching games this season, the arm is still there and I don't see the lead in the shoes or bad breaks on the ball, but i guess that's in the eye of the beholder. I assume you believe that he's deteriorating defensively or on the verge of deterioration and that Snider would provide better defense or equal defense in RF. That, I guess, or Bautista at 1B with the aforementioned outfield combo is the best scenario?

Again, Snider is a good defender, but playing RF in professional baseball is a whole new bag of toys. Assuming Snider can hit major league pitching, he's still a LF for me and Jose Bautista is still the everyday RF for the term of his contract. If, by some miracle you have a producing Bautista, Snider, Gose, and Rasmus (all under contract for the foreseeable future), I think you rotate Snider through the DH spot.
92-93 - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 06:41 PM EDT (#259138) #
I've been fine with Bautista's play in RF this year, but I think ultimately the club is best off with him at 1B, both from a defensive and offensive standpoint. It's quite possible that splitting 1B/DH with Encarnacion (or someone of that ilk) will help his body hold up over the course of a season as he ages. Every time Jose does one of his feet first slides into the wall down the foul-line at Rogers Centre in an attempt to catch a foul ball I hold my breath - he got injured doing it last year, and this offense simply can't afford to go very long without Bautista's bat in the middle of it.

I don't think Snider would be a better RF than Bautista, at least not today. It would take some getting used to. That, however, was not what I was suggesting, which was Snider in LF with Rasmus in RF. I don't think there's any question that whatever Rasmus would give up to Bautista with a weaker arm he'd make up with the increased range. Once you've bumped Bautista out of RF there's little value in keeping him in LF, where the arm doesn't play as much and where Travis' is more than adequate. An outfield of Snider/Gose/Rasmus would be pretty stellar for the next few seasons.
Gerry - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#259139) #
Smith is listed on the game sheet as a reserve for tonights game. He wasn't listed yesterday so he must have a minor injury.
TheBunk - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#259144) #
That makes the most sense. If Dwight Smith Jr can't find regular at bats between three short season teams, there's a big problem.
Jake W - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 11:23 PM EDT (#259152) #
Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere on this site (or if it's allowed) but on Baseball America there was an article about Marisnick. In it there is a table comparing Rasmus, Gose and Marisnick.

Tool Rasmus Gose Marisnick
Age 25 21 21
Level MLB AAA Hi A
Bats Left Left Right
Hit 50 50 50
Power 60 40 60
Run 50 60 60
Arm 60 50 50
Field 60 60 50

I suppose the ratings are on the 20-80 scale. 45-50 translates to 2nd tier regular (most players here). 55-60 translates to 1st division regular.
TheBunk - Friday, June 22 2012 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#259153) #
The 50 arm on Gose is so glaringly off that I take the whole thing with a grain of salt.
Hodgie - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 12:04 AM EDT (#259154) #
As is the 60 on the run tool. Perhaps BA hasn't actually watched Gose since A ball.
electric carrot - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 12:36 AM EDT (#259155) #
I'm a huge Rasmus fan.  That swing is the sweetest on the team I think.  So quick. Great defense too.  That funny ad on the radio.  That hairdo with the hat.  The man has a little personality.  Let's please appreciate what we've got here.  The man can play ball. 
Jake W - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 12:43 AM EDT (#259156) #
The article claims that for Marisnick and Gose the numbers are "projected into the future". In this year's Prospect Handbook, BA states that Gose has 3 tools that rate at least 70 on the 20-80 scale : speed, centerfield defence and arm.

So, not sure how these ratings line-up and who are the scouting sources but they are both from BA articles. Just saying'...
ogator - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 07:47 AM EDT (#259159) #
If Gose's "run tool" is 60, what does 80 look like?
rtcaino - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 11:20 AM EDT (#259164) #
If DJ Davis ever decides to not strike out, he can show you.
PeteMoss - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#259166) #
This guy - http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=p_pbp&pid=571740

Hodgie - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#259173) #
Ah yes, the most over-rated prospect in baseball. Wonder how different Gose's reputation might be if he was playing A+ in the California League at 21 instead of AAA.
grjas - Saturday, June 23 2012 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#259179) #
If we are serious about trading for SP help, it is likely we will have to give up one of them. And while it 's interesting to debate which, i suspect it will come down to whatever it takes to get a deal done. This is probably the one area the club has riches of talent at the major league level- although you might argue catcher too- so i'm willing to lose one of them. Suspect rasmus is most marketable if he keeps this up. But yeah i would be sorry to see him go too
uglyone - Monday, June 25 2012 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#259239) #
Just wanted to take another look at that young Jays' CF comp. I really like looking at fangraphs' wRC+ stat because while not perfect, it does adjust prospect's numbers according to league average, and also includes park factors and baserunning (really helps to nullify the vegas effect especially).


Age 17

ColbyRasmus (--): ---
AnthonyGose (Rk): 41pa, 2.4bb%, 29.3k%, .370babip, .652ops, .311woba, 88wRC+
J.Marisnick (--): --

Age 18

ColbyRasmus (--): --
AnthonyGose (A): 572pa, 6.1bb%, 19.2k%, .324babip, .676ops, .331woba, 106wRC+
J.Marisnick (--): --

Age 19

ColbyRasmus (A/A+): 554pa, 9.9bb%, 15.3k%, .319babip, .849ops, .387woba, 141wRC+
AnthonyGose (A+): 574pa, 7.8bb%, 23.0k%, .339babip, .725ops, .326woba, 103wRC+
J.Marisnick (Rk/A): 285pa, 7.7bb%, 19.3k%, .307babip, .734ops, .359woba, 120wRC+

Age 20

ColbyRasmus (AA): 556pa, 12.6bb%, 19.4k%, .300babip, .932ops, .414woba, 152wRC+
AnthonyGose (AA): 587pa, 10.6bb%, 26.2k%, .332babip, .764ops, .364woba, 124wRC+
J.Marisnick (A): 523pa, 8.2bb%, 17.4k%, .371babip, .892ops, .413woba, 160wRC+

Age 21

ColbyRasmus (AAA): 387pa, 12.7bb%, 18.6k%, .287babip, .742ops, .335woba, 92wRC+
AnthonyGose (AAA): 357pa, 10.4bb%, 21.6k%, .380babip, .804ops, .369woba, 117wRC+
J.Marisnick (A+): 259pa, 8.1bb%, 18.9k%, .322babip, .790ops, .369woba, 129wRC+


Coming out of AA at age 20, Colby was legitimately one of the best prospects in baseball. A 5 tool prospect with elite performance at a very young age at high levels. Neither Gose nor Marisnick can match that. Colby did stumble a bit in his half season in AAA, though.

As for Gose and Marisnick - given the two-level gap between them at a similar age, I don't think Marisnick's moderately better stats are enough to rank him ahead of Gose as a prospect right now.
Mike Green - Monday, June 25 2012 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#259243) #
That is a helpful chart, uglyone.  We think of Gose as striking out much more than Marisnick, but the K/PA% shows that this year it has actually been pretty close.  With Las Vegas' stellar offence and batting leadoff, Gose gets many PAs per game and so the K/G approach makes his issues seem worse than they are.

 
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