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The White Sox Dylan Axelrod (3-4, 3.73) has a date with the Blue Jays R.A. Dickey (5-7, 4.66). First pitch will fly at 8:10 pm Eastern from U.S. Cellular Field.
Game Thread — 6/10 @ Chicago White Sox | 75 comments | Create New Account
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Mike Green - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#273807) #
Bravo, #2JB.  Where is Hensley Meulens when you need him?
Magpie - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#273811) #
Where is Hensley Meulens when you need him?

He's the Giants' hitting coach. Oh, a rhetorical question!
Eephus - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#273822) #
R.A. Dickey going through an episode of Pitcher's Hell right now: White Sox hitters keep pounding soft ground balls just past Blue Jay infielders. Very frustrating.
Magpie - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#273823) #
The Jays' infielders don't exactly impress you with their range, alas.

This game may start getting strange. Ramirez just ran a mile for a pop up that his left fielder had a fairly easy play on. But it looks like Viciedo had no idea where the ball was and was just sort of jogging in the same general direction as the shortstop. I don't think he had a clue where that ball was.
Eephus - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 09:16 PM EDT (#273825) #
I'm not sure what "explosive mannerisms" are exactly (I'm sure it made sense in Tabler's mind) but that was a nice play by Bonifacio.
uglyone - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#273826) #
well, good pitching was nice while it lasted.

but JJ and Dickey have turned back into pumpkins the last two.

too bad.
Alex Obal - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#273827) #
All those knuckleballs look like fastballs today.
Magpie - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#273828) #
Apparently Johnson developed a blister on his middle finger in the fourth inning, which is exactly when he lost his command. Hope that was a one-time thing. Oh and it looks like they're getting ready to resume?

Not sure how pleased I am... screw it, let's play!
Magpie - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#273831) #
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Chuck - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#273833) #
SportChek thinks we care about Meagan and her parents. We don't.
Kasi - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#273834) #
Can't blame the infield for that. Dickey is just not consistently good. Hope he figures it out soon since we have two more years of him.
Chuck - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#273835) #
I can't recall a player I've enjoyed watching less than Bonifacio.
Alex Obal - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#273836) #
2009-vintage Encarnacion?
smcs - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#273837) #
I mean, if there is ever a time to pinch-hit for a designated hitter, isn't it when Adam Lind has to face a lefty?
Magpie - Monday, June 10 2013 @ 11:39 PM EDT (#273838) #
a player I've enjoyed watching less than Bonifacio

Corey Patterson? Kevin Millar? Royce Clayton? Joey Lawrence?

I know.

Edgardo Alfonzo.
Thomas - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:37 AM EDT (#273840) #
Bonifacio's doing his best to enter the conversation.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:38 AM EDT (#273841) #
Argh.  Bonifacio booting one leading to a run.  Was it a double play ball?  Probably (just have gameday).  Even if he just got one out, just one run would've scored instead more are in and this is a lost game that had potential.  Of course, it was lost when nothing went right for Dickey but still there was a chance.  Sadly Bonifacio seems to be an outfielder playing the infield.
Ron - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:39 AM EDT (#273842) #
Tabler on Boni "he has played a fine second base". Is Tabler watching the same player I'm watching?
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:40 AM EDT (#273843) #
Hopefully, Konerko is explaining to Encarnacion how a first baseman is supposed to handle that play - step out of the base path so you have an angle to throw around the runner.

Bonifacio hasn't made an error since April 10? For someone who makes as many lousy plays as he does, that's sort of amazing.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:43 AM EDT (#273844) #
Was it a double play ball?

I doubt it - wasn't hit all that hard and Ramirez is pretty fast. But the infield was in, and it got to Bonifacio quickly enough that he might have been thinking about it.
Oceanbound - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:49 AM EDT (#273845) #
I can't recall a player I've enjoyed watching less than Bonifacio.

There was once a thing called Juan Rivera
Alex Obal - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:24 AM EDT (#273846) #
Man, I thought mentioning EE would change the subject, but insult comics gonna insult comic...
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 08:47 AM EDT (#273847) #
"Creek and Tam are warming in the bullpen" caused certain nauseous feelings for me.  When Carly Simon sang of Anticipation, I don't think that this was she had in mind.

Jack Morris commented on the radio broadcast during the fog delay that when he had to come back into pitch after a long delay in that kind of weather, he would go back into the clubhouse and put a pack on his arm to keep it warm.  Dickey stayed in the dugout.  Morris said it very drily; I like him way more than I was expecting at the outset of the season.

Chuck - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 09:13 AM EDT (#273848) #
Creek and Tam are warming in the bullpen

Good thing I have a very short memory. I think those neural pathways have been permanently severed.

Morris said it very drily; I like him way more than I was expecting at the outset of the season.

Same here. He has been a pleasant surprise.
92-93 - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#273849) #
I've probably said this numerous times but Morris has been excellent on the radio. I like hearing the nonsense he tends to elaborate on, it allows me to better understand how the players I'm watching on the field actually think.
electric carrot - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 09:52 AM EDT (#273851) #
OK -- I'm going to say it.  I like Morris better than Ashby and better than Garfoose too. Ashby got better but I thought he had a father knows best kind attitude and seemed to believe in his heart that anyone who never played needs to be talked to like they were a seven-year-old.  Morris likely believes that too but couldn't be bothered to care enough to alter his delivery.  He is dry and understated and like an irritable and aloof uncle who could care less what his relations thought of him.  I find him fun to listen to.
BlueJayWay - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 10:23 AM EDT (#273852) #
I've also ended up liking Morris way better than I thought I would.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:16 AM EDT (#273857) #
Just goes to show that we fans don't always know who will do the best job I guess.  I know I wasn't thrilled about Morris but whenever I've heard him he sounds good.  I like the Garfoose being around, but he did need more time before getting a regular gig.  Hopefully he sticks around here too and guys like Pat Tabler, who has a good voice but doesn't add anything else, move elsewhere.
Dewey - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:21 AM EDT (#273858) #
Morris won me over, completely, with his first appearance on the Buck and Tabby show.  When a comment was made about the differences between the Jays’ radio booth and that one, Morris sort of rolled his eyes and moaned some brief lamentation about Jerry.  On his next appearance in the TV booth this was quietly alluded to, and Morris allowed that he would now be watching what he said.  (Jerry had heard.)  I also like him as I hadn’t expected to.
hypobole - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#273859) #
"I can't recall a player I've enjoyed watching less than Bonifacio."

I can - this years versions of Dickey, Johnson and Morrow. Dickey was brutal last night and we're fixated on the guy who helped turn a 7-6 loss into a 10-6 loss.
Chuck - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#273860) #
Hayhurst and Zaun seem to be locked into caricatures they are being forced to play to spice up the pre-game telecasts. Hayhurst is the young numbers whiz and Zaun the crusty old schooler. Trouble is, you go the caricature route and it's hard to come back to the middle. You better be prepared to live with that persona.
Chuck - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#273863) #

we're fixated on the guy who helped turn a 7-6 loss into a 10-6 loss.

I made my remark about Bonifacio randomly during the game, well before his error. Of course I have been extremely disappointed with the starting pitching, and Dickey in particular, and last night's loss is on him more than anyone else. But almost everything about Bonifacio rubs me the wrong way. It's visceral.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#273865) #
Hypobole, it was about the aesthetics of watching Bonifacio play.  The poor defence.  The routinely pathetic efforts to bunt. 

FWIW, I actually enjoy watching Bonifacio run when he's got a full head of steam up and he's trying to score from first on a double or something.  As I have said earlier, I am not sure that his knee is 100%.  He seems to me to be slow out of the box, and who knows , it may even affect his bunting technique.

Chuck - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#273866) #

On his next appearance in the TV booth this was quietly alluded to, and Morris allowed that he would now be watching what he said.  (Jerry had heard.) 

I don't catch many of the radio broadcasts, but I caught one early in the season. Morris made a very tepid off-colour joke. Very tepid. The joke was more offensive for not being funny than for being, well, offensive. Radio silence ensued. Morris realized the error of his ways and apologized to Jerry and the listeners. Jerry, like the holier-than-thou father Morris presumably never asked for, responded by saying that the apology was well received and because of it, no more would be said about Morris's inappropriate quip.

I couldn't help think that right at that very moment, Morris realized that it was going to be an awfully long summer sharing a booth with Mr. Howarth.

hypobole - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:42 AM EDT (#273867) #
Chuck, it wasn't so much about your random remark, but the fact the thread went so long on Bonifacio, yet almost no one said a peep when Kasi brought up Dickey, even though it was Dickey's "performance" that was the real steaming pile of dung last night.

As much as Bonifacio has been an eyesore this year, to me it pales in comparison to 3 pitchers, expected to be good to excellent, who have managed to derail the Jays season.
Chuck - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#273868) #

FWIW, I actually enjoy watching Bonifacio run when he's got a full head of steam up and he's trying to score from first on a double or something.

Yes, there was one specific instance a month back maybe that I do recall enjoying. That was fun to watch, as it always is when you see a fast runner in full stride. And I think for Bonifacio, that's the allure that forgives his flaws. That speed has a sexiness to it that keeps him in the lineup, even when his shortcomings conspire to preclude that speed from often being leveraged.

And maybe that's part of my trouble with the man. He seems athletic (unlike Juan RIvera, say). He seems like he should be able to do things. But he most often behaves as if he hasn't a clue about playing the sport, like he was just this fast guy who got parachuted in and told to be a baseball player.

Chuck - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#273870) #
As much as Bonifacio has been an eyesore this year, to me it pales in comparison to 3 pitchers, expected to be good to excellent, who have managed to derail the Jays season.

I don't think you'd find anyone here who would oppose that position. Perhaps the Bonifacio thread would have played better on an off-day, when it could not be conflated with the commentary of a specific game.
Wildrose - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#273872) #
I was actually more frustrated by the Encarnacion error immediately before Boni's misadventure which led to the whole mess in the first place. At least Boni was trying to make a hard play on a difficult ball ( I'm much more frustrated watching him hit than field).

Really they need to look at stapling E5's posterior to the bench as a D.H. at some point. I'd never thought I'd say it , but Lind looks much better out there in the field. Perhaps it's his new yoga inspired fitness level, but advanced metrics show Lind as the better option.

In 1154 career innings at first, E5 by DRS/UZR is -8/-13.7 , Lind with 1700 innings is -3/0.8. Now generally you need about 4500-5000 innings for defensive numbers to settle down, but I don't think I'd wait that long. Also there is a DH penalty to consider, as it's felt that solely being a DH generally leads to poorer hitting numbers. Still I'd consider it, for me E5 is the weak link on that infield.

Wildrose - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#273873) #
As much as Bonifacio has been an eyesore this year, to me it pales in comparison to 3 pitchers, expected to be good to excellent, who have managed to derail the Jays season.

I agree , the big picture. AA was on the FAN yesterday saying it's the rotation that will either sink/swim the team in terms of getting them back into the fray. I didn't see the game , did the weather adversely affect Dickey's knuckle ball?   
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#273874) #
I like [Morris] way more than I was expecting at the outset of the season.

The bar seems to have been set rather low. There's a reason for that - everybody mixed up Morris himself with people who support Morris for the Hall of Fame. That's a position and an argument that pretty well nobody here has any respect for, let alone agrees with. Morris surely shares that position as well but it's hard to hold that against him. He's an ex-player, and the vast majority of players believe in Ws and RBIs. Morris won an awful lot of games in the major leagues and he remembers doing it. What else would he think?

Anyway, he's provided exactly what I hoped he'd provide - some insight on how the guy on the mound is approaching the task at hand. And his personality and attitude is definitely a nice change of pace. Not a whole of "Golly Gee" from Jack.
Ryan Day - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#273875) #
There are times when it looks like Bonifacio could be a pretty good baseball player. He's crazy fast, he has good range, and he's had a few stretches where he's looked like an okay hitter. But then there's the errors, and his continued & terrible bunt attempts; I cannot understand how a guy with so much speed and so little power can be such a terrible bunter.

It boggled my mind on the weekend when Gibbons pinch-hit for Kawasaki, and then DeRosa, but kept Bonifacio in the lineup. Kawasaki is no one's All-Star, but he manages to make the most of what he's got. I hope that Kawasaki moves over the 2nd when Reyes comes back and Bonifacio hits the bench, or AAA, but I've got a bad feeling about it.
Chuck - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#273876) #
Lind looks much better out there in the field.

While Lind's status against LHP seems to be up in the air at the moment (given how well he is hitting against RHP), Lind as a platooner works better as a DH. Then, if you need to pinch-hit for him mid-game, his replacement becomes the DH. Otherwise, you have to scramble to find a replacement first baseman with EE unavailable because's he's the DH. 
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#273877) #
Then, if you need to pinch-hit for [Lind] mid-game

Of course there are so many other guys in the lineup that you need to pinch-hit for first, with just so many bats available, that this may not really be an issue.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#273878) #
I don't see it the way AA does at all.  This is a club that when all of the position players are healthy (Lawrie and Reyes), and the catching is optimally divided, can score 5 and a half runs a game.  The starting pitchers don't have to be great; they do have to be average at least, but it will help (I think) if they know that they just need to throw 6 decent innings 70-80% of the time, and they know that they will get adequate defensive support. 

There are many ways to win, and Anthopoulos seems to be fixated on the pitching.  It does need to be better than it has been, but if Dickey, Morrow, Johnson and Buehrle pitch on average at somewhat less than 3 year norms, there is still enough talent here to win.  And Anthopoulos needs to refocus his efforts on doing what he can to create the right conditions so that is more likely to happen. 

China fan - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#273879) #
".... did the weather adversely affect Dickey's knuckle ball?...."

For what it's worth, Dickey says it did. I'm a little unhappy that there are so many factors that can affect the knuckleball and throw him off his game, but that's what he says anyway. Here's the quote:

“I’ve been playing for a long time and that’s the first game I’ve ever played in those conditions. It was challenging and I didn’t really have anything to go back and say, ‘OK, I’ve done this and this in these conditions.’ But I had some opportunities to make big pitches with two outs but unfortunately the knuckleball is tough, sometimes when it doesn’t break it can just sit there on a tee for guys like Adam Dunn to hit out of the park, and that’s exactly what he did.”
China fan - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#273880) #
And here's how Shi Davidi describes it: he says Dickey was "struggling to record outs with his knuckler refusing to dance through the moist mess."
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:12 PM EDT (#273881) #
5 and a half runs a game

Hang on. Scoring 5.5 per game? Giving them the best offense in the major leagues, by quite a comfortable margin? I don't think so. They're league average now, scoring 4.4 per game. Replacing Kawasaki with Reyes will certainly be a major upgrade. But not that much. You've still got one of Bonifacio/Izturis in there everyday. I don't expect all that much from Lawrie's bat. I think Thole will help them more behind the plate than at the plate.

But the main point - this is all going to be about the starting pitcher - hits the nail on the head.
robertdudek - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#273882) #
I wonder if Northey still thinks Andy LaRoche will be a key part of the club.
Beyonder - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#273883) #
Mike. Isn't it reasonable to be focussed on the rotation when your starting pitching is among the very worst in baseball (when it was supposed to be among the best)? AA is right to stress how bad it has been in IMO. The quality of the starting pitching has been the story of the year so far. There is not even a close second.

And averaging 5.5 runs a game would give the team the best offence in baseball.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#273885) #
Snark alert!

Let me expand on why I'm getting skeptical about Lawries's bat, beyond the obvious fact that the league has adjusted to him and he hasn't adjusted to the league. And he's also a guy who looks like he doesn't expect to ever have to adjust to anything, which could be a complication. We'll see.

But anyway. Imagine a 21 year old kid, one with special hometown connections to his major league team, who comes to the major leagues after the All-Star Break one year to make his debut. And he arrives like a comet, a shooting star. He spends the rest of the season raking with the bat and absolutely dazzling everyone in the field. And the guy never plays that well in the major leagues again. Sound familiar?
Four Seamer - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#273886) #

But anyway. Imagine a 21 year old kid, one with special hometown connections to his major league team, who comes to the major leagues after the All-Star Break one year to make his debut. And he arrives like a comet, a shooting star. He spends the rest of the season raking with the bat and absolutely dazzling everyone in the field. And the guy never plays that well in the major leagues again. Sound familiar?

Are you thinking about Jeff Francoeur by any chance, Magpie?

hypobole - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:37 PM EDT (#273887) #
Dickey + Johnson + Morrow - 174 IP, 0.6 fWAR
Juan Perez - 8.1 IP, 0.6 fWAR
robertdudek - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#273888) #
But anyway. Imagine a 21 year old kid, one with special hometown connections to his major league team, who comes to the major leagues after the All-Star Break one year to make his debut. And he arrives like a comet, a shooting star. He spends the rest of the season raking with the bat and absolutely dazzling everyone in the field. And the guy never plays that well in the major leagues again. Sound familiar?

Other than that last bolded part, which may or may not be in Lawrie's future, it sounds a lot like Joe Mauer to me.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#273890) #
LaRoche could've been useful but clearly Gibbons didn't feel he was adequate either defensively or offensively given his one partial game.  I did mention a few times that I didn't know if his defense was solid or not, just assumed so given he is playing everyday at third while Bonifacio and Izturis have not been looking good anywhere.  Just seems weird now - why call him up rather than another reliever or someone who the manager might actually use.

I fear Kawasaki will be sent down when Reyes returns even though he deserves to play more than Izturis or Bonifacio based on how they've all done this season - his 68 OPS+ is far ahead of the others (47 + 49) while his defense is heads and shoulders above both.  Many wondered why you would have Bonifacio and Davis here given both are primarily speed demons with mediocre defense and mediocre (at best) offense.  Boni has done nothing to make one think he should be kept.  If other teams are interested then might as well trade him I say, or Izturis if someone wants that contract.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#273891) #
I still say that the Jays end up 2013 scoring 5 runs per game.  Maybe that's a little less than 5.5 for the remainder of the season.  Any improvement that the club makes will be both run prevention and scoring.  It might end up that Izturis is installed as the everyday second baseman and performs as his career would suggest that he is capable of, and help in both aspects.

hypobole - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#273893) #
I haven't seen this posted at BB.

http://mopupduty.com/statistically-speaking-j-p-arencibia-one-of-the-best-framing-catchers-in-mlb-061113/

I'm sure this will stir some debate
Wildrose - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:30 PM EDT (#273894) #
I fear Kawasaki will be sent down when Reyes returns even though he deserves to play more than Izturis or Bonifacio based on how they've all done this season.

Your fears are well founded, on the AA interview I mentioned on the other thread, he more or less says when Reyes returns, bid Sayonora to Kawasaki given that he still has options left. I imagine that will send the  Bauxite nation into quite a tizzy.
robertdudek - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#273897) #
I imagine that will send the Bauxite nation into quite a tizzy.

Not me. Once Jose Reyes is healthy enough to play SS everyday - and he will play "every day", there isn't much need for Kawasaki on this team.

Rajai and Gose are both better pinch runners. Izturis and Bonifacio, much as I dislike the way they've played this year, have more overall baseball skills than Kawasaki. Now, if either is playing hurt then DL them and keep Kawa - I've got no problem with that.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#273898) #
it sounds a lot like Joe Mauer to me.

Except for the fact that Mauer would go on to have full seasons that were better - sometimes much, much better - than his late season debut. It's pretty hard to say Mauer never played that well again as long as we agree that 2009 actually happened. And 2010. And 2006 and 2008, come to think of it. And I'd certainly settle for what he did last year.

Whereas Frenchy...
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#273899) #
I imagine that will send the Bauxite nation into quite a tizzy.

It all depends. If Reyes comes back, plays like Reyes, and the team starts winning - Kawasaki is the new Mike Maksudian. An entertaining novelty. But if Reyes comes back, plays well, and the team continues spinning its wheels - while Izturis/Bonifacio are stinking up the joint - there will be grumbling in the general population.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#273900) #
I still say that the Jays end up 2013 scoring 5 runs per game. Maybe that's a little less than 5.5 for the remainder of the season.

A little less. To be precise, it's 5.36 runs per game over the rest of the season.

Boston is leading the majors in offense, scoring 5.32 per game.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#273901) #
Izturis and Bonifacio have been the blunder twins this year.  Two guys expected to fight for the 2B job who instead have shown no defense, no offense and only once in awhile (Boni) showing any of the speed they were supposed to add.  The two of them would be the disasters of the year if it wasn't for the rotation nightmare.  I can understand why Kawasaki would be sent down instead, as options are a useful thing, but right now I cannot imagine anyone would take on Izturis' contract (2 more years). 

Sigh.  I keep hoping after I post one of these that Izturis and/or Bonifacio will go on a real hot streak but it has yet to happen.
Ryan Day - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#273902) #
Lawrie was fine last year - average-ish bat and great defence is just dandy. This year has been worse, obviously.

My main worry with Lawrie right now is that his 110% all-the-time approach may make him more prone to injury and slower to recover. Regularly pulling & straining things is going to mess with your swing, and missing time isn't great for development.
Magpie - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#273903) #
And in other news, Johnny Mac is back in the AL. Cleveland picked him from the Pirates to fill in for Asdrubal Cabrera in exchange for a ride to the airport and a PTBNL.

Did anyone else notice that the Pirates started Russell Martin in right field last week?
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#273904) #
My money's on Izturis.  His BABIP is .212, or 80 points under his career average.  He is still at over 20% LD of balls in play and he has only 1 pop-up all season.  If he hits .270, he's a serviceable second baseman.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#273905) #
Poor Martin...still hasn't got that game in at shortstop that he dreams of.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#273906) #
Bonifacio has better baseball skills than Kawasaki, Robert?  Definitely better tools, but his control of the strike zone  has been so erratic over his career (and his baseball IQ has been so poor at least this year) that I beg to differ.   The problem is that when Reyes comes back, he still may need a day off from time to time, usually for a mildly tweaked hammy, and neither Bonifacio nor Izturis (at this point in his career) can actually play the position.  Kawasaki is no Gold-Glover at this point, but a lot better than the other two. 
robertdudek - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 09:36 PM EDT (#273929) #
Yes, Mike

I have no confidence in Kawasaki to hit major league pitching over the long term. I don't even know if he'd be a league average player at AAA. Like a Rey Ordonez when he came up without the defense.

Bonifacio at least has some weapons that can hurt you if/when he starts laying off bad pitches when ahead in the count.

I still think he's not close to 100% healthy.
Mike Green - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#273932) #
Kawasaki fights for the strike zone a lot better than Ordonez did. 

If Bonifacio is in fact not 100%, a DL trip followed by a rehab stint in Buffalo might be the best thing for him.
robertdudek - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#273949) #
No I don't want to see Reyes until he's completely healthy.

Izturis can cover SS once every two weeks with minimal defensive loss over Kawa.

Of course why not keep them all and scrap one of the relief pitchers, but NOOOOOOO that would be too radical.
92-93 - Tuesday, June 11 2013 @ 11:56 PM EDT (#273973) #
"Izturis and Bonifacio have been the blunder twins this year."

-2 WAR. Kelly Johnson is at 1.3. I know it doesn't work this way, but I do feel with a competent 2B that 30-33 would be a more reasonable record.
Magpie - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#273996) #
I have no confidence in Kawasaki to hit major league pitching over the long term.

I'm inclined to agree, and I arrive at this conclusion by completely ignoring everything in the man's record and believing only what my eyes tell me.

Kawasaki played in Japan for a long time, and we've had quite a few Japanese hitters come to the majors. As a rule, they lose a big chunk of their power but maintain most, if not all, of their BAVG and OBP. Kawasaki hasn't gone from .290 to .265, which is about what I would have expected. But my question about him isn't when he'll turn it around. It's how he managed to hit so well in Japan.
Mike Green - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#274003) #
Here is my supposition.  Kawasaki puts the ball on the ground an awful lot.  When he was younger, he was faster and more of those ground balls were turned into hits.  I imagine that someone in Japan gave him a similar talk to the one Whitey Herzog delivered to Ozzie Smith (a penalty for every fly ball). Kawasaki has lost some of his speed, and only 10% of his ground balls turn into hits.  He needs to hit more line drives than he has been, but I actually think he can do it.  Last night's double was perfect- he needs to have one of those every 2-4 games, in which case the outfield will have to move back a little bit. He also needs to pull the ball down the right-field line once in a while.  I think that he can do that too.  It's an adjustment process for him, and my impression is that he is getting there and having enough success by controlling the strike zone well to make the process manageable.

Anyways, the point isn't whether Kawasaki is a good shortstop to have for a whole season.  It is whether you want Kawasaki or Bonifacio/Izturis on the bench when Reyes returns.  Personally, I have found that while Kawasaki's defence at short is merely average, the defence of the other two has been way, way below that. I'd rather have Kawasaki playing short when Reyes cannot than Bonifacio/Izturis.  The decision is easier because of the struggles of Bonifacio/Izturis and I am skeptical that Bonifacio in particular will be righted quickly.

92-93 - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 02:15 PM EDT (#274005) #
It would be nice to see Kawasaki pull a fastball once in awhile, just to keep the defenses honest. If the decision of who needs to go to make room for Reyes had to be made today I don't agree with how easily AA said the choice would be Kawasaki.
Thomas - Wednesday, June 12 2013 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#274006) #
Further to Mike's point, while it presumably wouldn't be necessary if you kept Kawasaki on the roster after Reyes returned, I would prefer Izturis at short in a pinch than Bonifacio.
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