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At this point, Tampa still has something to play for - doubtless they'd prefer to play the Wild card game, whether it be against Cleveland (most likely) or Texas, in their own house. Neither of their two best starters, Alex Cobb and David Price (who's been more Price-like since the All-Star Break) are scheduled to face the Jays anyway. Right now, Maddon is planning to go with hellickson, Archer, and Moore. If Sunday's game proves to be meaningless I'd expect to see someone else take Matt Moore's spot.

Tonight it's R.A. Dickey (13-13, 4.27) against Jeremy Hellickson (12-9, 5.16). Hellickson's season went south in August (0-4, 9.60), and he hasn't made a start in ten days. He's made 5 starts against Toronto this year (2-0, 2.90), just as R..A. Dickey has started against Tampa 5 times (2-1, 3.00)

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Richard S.S. - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 01:19 AM EDT (#279401) #
Presently the Jays are in a three-way tie for the last two protected draft spots. Winning is important, but meaningless as Tampa's guaranteed a post- season spot, while having a protected 1st round pick is needed.
Chuck - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 09:07 AM EDT (#279404) #
Tampa is likely to have a post-season spot, but they are not guaranteed.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 10:02 AM EDT (#279405) #
Gosh, Richard, a couple of days ago you predicted the Jays' Buffalo-dominated lineup would not be able to beat the Rays. Yesterday the Jays did just that. The Jays are now in a classic spoiler position, just as the O's were at season's end a couple of years ago vis-a-vis Boston. Why not get into it? Or have you enjoyed watching the Rays utterly dominate the Jays at the Trop in recent years, and want to roll over for a slightly higher draft pick?
John Northey - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#279407) #
So whats the situation and what are tiebreakers for the Jays? AFAIK the tiebreaker is record against each other so I'll include that today (that is the rule for wild cards).
Top 10 slots locked in: Houston, Miami, White Sox, Twins, Cubs - these will be the top 5 picks but specific order to be determined.
#6: Seattle 70-90 - split season series with Jays so not sure what next is...if runs for/against vs opponent then Seattle has tie breaker and Jays cannot catch
#7/8: Philly & Colorado 72-88 - Jays didn't play Philly, swept Colorado
#9-11: Jays/Mets/Brewers 73-87 - didn't play each other, Mil won vs Mets so probably Mil loses out if season ended today
#12/13: Giants/Padres 75-85 - Jays beat the Giants, lost to the Padres so go Giants this weekend!

Who is playing who? Giants/Padres play each other this weekend but unless the Padres lose both and Jays win both it wouldn't matter.  Jays vs Rays, Mets vs Milwaukee, Philly vs Atlanta, Colorado vs Dodgers, Seattle vs Oakland.

Checking Wikipedia I get the next tiebreaker as intradivision games then intraleague games. So those stats for teams the Jays don't have a head-to-head match with.
Intradivision : intraleague (to date)...
Jays: 29-45 : 11-9
Mets: 34-42 : 11-9
Brewers: 34-42 : 6-14
Philly: 36-38 : 7-13
Seattle: 35-39 : 8-12

Well, the Jays being in a super-tough division helps here as they 'win' all these tiebreakers even if they win the next 2 vs Tampa.  So the Jays get the higher pick vs Mets, Brewers, Philly, Seattle, Padres while getting a worse pick if they tie Colorado or San Fran.

Thus we want to see the Giants win vs San Diego, the Mets/Brewers series to be one or the other winning the next two (if the Jays win both of their remaining games), Philly to win the next 2 vs Atlanta, the Dodgers to take the weekend off to prep for playoffs, and Oakland to do the same.

So there is our scoreboard watching. The Jays to win their last two, Mets or Brewers lose their last two and the Jays get the tiebreaker to grab a top 10 pick.

John Northey - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#279408) #
FYI: all this means is that if the Jays lose one of the final 2 they are guaranteed a top 10 pick, #7 is as high as they can get and #12 is as low as they can get.  If the Mets or Brewers sweep the other team then the Jays get a locked in top 10 as well.
James W - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#279409) #
The next tiebreaker is last season's record (https://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/383417279746428928)
James W - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 11:18 AM EDT (#279410) #
Actually, the only tiebreaker is last season's record. Head-to-head, intradivision, intraleague, none of that matters for draft order.
John Northey - Saturday, September 28 2013 @ 01:09 PM EDT (#279413) #
Huh.  Weird.  So if that is the case then what?
2012 winning percentage....
Jays: 451
Philly: 500
Rockies: 395
Mets: 457
Brewers: 512
Giants: 580
Padres: 469

So the Jays 'win' all tie breakers except with the Rockies.  Thus one loss and the Jays have a top 10 pick, or if the Mets or Brewers sweep the final two games from the other then the Jays have a top 10 pick no matter what.
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