Too high: Groshans, Kay, SRF
Too low: SWR, Moreno

I agree about Kay and SRF too high, and SWR and Moreno too low. Also think D'Orazio shouldn't be on the list, and Rodriguez is a bit of a stretch.

Speaking of Stevenson, here is his line since the trade: .192/.323/.308/.630 in 7 games.

Speaking of Stevenson, here is his line since the trade: .192/.323/.308/.630 in 7 games.

A buddy of mine and I have been tracking Fisher vs. Stevenson since the deal, as we had a small debate over who was the better prospect at *this* point in their respective careers. The former is slashing .167/.231/.417/.647 since coming over. The OPS is almost spot on to his cumulative across 338 PAs (.649)

Looking a little more at the BA list, and I wouldn't have Robertson on there, either. A 21 year old corner OF OPS'ing under .700 in Vancouver isn't all that impressive. I imagine he gets the spot from BA based on his 4th round status and college stats. I would rather have Winckowski in there. Maximo Castillo should be a consideration as well.

I'm with them for the most part in the top 15, other than Kay, but the 2nd half of the list doesn't add up for me at all, despite there being admittedly a ton of interchangibility down there.

Jays prospects now that Bichette, Jansen, and Vlad have graduated are a mix of young guys with a lot of upside and guys close to the majors with much less. There's a pretty big dropoff after 13 for me because Conine seems to have a pretty major flaw right now. I'm also higher on Moreno than Kirk. Much greater chance he stays at catcher so more margin of error.

No immediate help coming to the ML team regarding position players. A few question marks will be added Urena, Alford and the like as competing for the last 2-3 spots with Drury. I see Tellez as a big part of the team.

Surprising to me, none of BA, FanGraphys, or MLB Pipeline have Maximo Castillo in their top 30. Similarly Otto Lopez, he's down at #32 on FanGraphs and absent from the other 2. For me they're both top-20 propsects.

BA is actually lower on Kay than FanGraphs (#6) and MLB Pipeline (#5).

Baseball America had a note on Otto Lopez in their latest hot sheet:

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Otto Lopez, 2B, Blue Jays

Lopez gets lost in a strong Blue Jays system, but his performance at low Class A Lansing this season has scouts’ attention. The 20-year-old Dominican keeps putting the bat on the ball and hit .343/.395/.400 in his latest strong week, including three consecutive multi-hit games. Overall, Lopez is batting .310, fourth in the Midwest League, and scouts still see room for improvement in the quality of his at-bats. He is an excellent athlete who moves well and has the strength to grow into some power despite his size, making him yet another intriguing low-level prospect in the Blue Jays' system. (KG)

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/top-mlb-prospects-hot-sheet-81219/

Despite having really good stats, Winckowski seems to get very little recognition on the prospect lists.

"Surprising to me, none of BA, FanGraphys, or MLB Pipeline have Maximo Castillo in their top 30. Similarly Otto Lopez, he's down at #32 on FanGraphs and absent from the other 2. For me they're both top-20 propsects."

100% agreed.

Castillo is very surprising. Shapiro even talked about him during one of the games.

I agree on Castillo and Lopez as well.

The list generally is heavy on Rookie ball and light on A ball. 

Does anyone here have anything on Alberto Rodriguez?

We have some V exciting teen age SPs.

SWR, Kloff, E Pardinho, K Williams and M Dominguez. Other teenagers Rafiel Monison and Santos Moreno.

They will take a while. SWR is moving very fast.

You know, SWR is the youngest player in A+ this year. Which is pretty cool.

Even cooler is that he was also the youngest qualified player in A this year, too.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-prospect-eric-pardinho-salvaging-season-elbow-scare/

official line is that Pardinho's IL stint isn't actually due to any new issue, but more of a scheduled break for him.

Thats great news about Pardinho.

Circling back to the draft it looks like Corbin Carroll who was a favourite of many bauxites is having a phenomenal debut with the D-Backs.

I came up with my own top 15, mostly similar and without Bichette:

1. Pearson
2. Groshans
3. Pardinho
4. Manoah
5. SWR
6. Moreno
7. Kirk
8. Kloffenstein
9. Martinez
10. Hiraldo
11. Kay
12. Williams
13. Murphy
14. Conine
15. Smith

I think Brent Honeywell is the player to be named and a low minors SP or high minors reliever. This from TB for Sogard.

Why do you think this bpoz? My understanding is that the list contains only A ball players but I could be wrong?

That would be very generous of Tampa Bay, and I don't think Toronto fans will have ever heard of the prospects we eventually receive for Sogard until thy are announced.

Thanks PeterG for replying. Also thanks for being polite. I did expect some responses. I figured that it would "no way" mostly. Due to pedigree and prospect rankings.

I will give you my reasons. However I did not know that there was a list of players the Jays could choose from. How sure are you about this? He would not be on the list. If they are Dunedin/Lansing then some sort of lottery pick with upside.

Why Honeywell?? I am just guessing. He has injury red flags.

He just had a 2nd elbow surgery June 2019 so he is fragile. If healthy he would rehab and burn his 1st option in 2020. A good farm like TB takes up 40 man spots for rule 5 protection. Teams get a 26 man roster next year so the rule 5 can be used to hide players. TB may not want to risk that. TB may value him less.

We traded Syndergaard for Dickey. Dickey ate a lot of innings for us and so was helpful. Syndergaard, Sanchez and Henderson Alvarez are 3 V good SPs regarding potential. Alvarez was the most ML proven. Syndergaard has been healthier than Sanchez and so has given more innings/value to his team during his cheap years. Lucky Sanchez & Syndergaard got low signing bonuses. Sanchez has not been worth his cost to date. But I could be wrong.

Being on the 40 man is probably not a big expense to payroll even for TB I suspect.

I am certain there is a list of 4 players as it has already been reported and I believe Atkins did confirm that....as to who may be on the list of 4 players, I have no idea. It was first reported that a decision would be made by the conclusion of the minor league season but at the end of last week, it was said on the telecast that it could be in a week to 10 days. As soon as the Jays decide, it will likely be announced as there is no reason to wait.

I thought it would be amusing to look through the Rays lower minors and make a wild guess at who the players might be and WOW, it's actually hard to find pitchers that are halfways-OK-but-really-not-much, i.e. guys like Tom Hatch and Kyle Johnston. They've just got interesting arm after interesting arm.

So, it may turn out to be a good return as TB has a deep pool of pitching prospects.

The Tampa players I suggested shortly after the trade were Trageton, R. Sanchez, E. Gonzalez, Plassmeyer, Sampen and Strong. I'd really like Trageton, who was a 6th round pick in 2016, and is having a strong season, split between short season A ball and full season A ball. Great K:BB ratio, but he may be better than what is included in the list the Jays can select from. Plassmeyer is looking great in advanced A, but was a 4th round pick in 2018 and is almost certainly too good to be included. Sampen and Strong are probably more likely the caliber of player that will be obtained, I expect. Sampen was a 20th round pick last year, and is having a very good season in A ball, but is 23 years old. Strong is 22, was a 10th round pick last year, and is also having a good season in A ball. Both have good K:BB ratios, which I look for in a good pitching prospect.

"The underlying assumption in Clemens' article is that the player with the lower batting average has more doubles and triples (and hence likely more speed) than the player with the higher batting average."

Player B had 4 more home runs as well. So could it have been increased power that was driving the other extra-base hits (13 2B and 4 3B)?

Wrong thread, apologies!