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God save the Queen! It is Jubilee Weekend, after all, and I promise that none of us are going to see the next platinum jubilee. And then say hello to the first-place Minnesota Twins. Hey, didn't these guys suck just last year?


They surely did. What might have changed?

Well, their pitching last year was pretty dreadful. They allowed 5.15 runs per game. Only the Orioles allowed more and we're still not sure that the 2021 Orioles qualify as a major league team at all. Last year's Twins had two good starting pitchers, neither of whom are still with the team. They traded Jose Berrios for a couple of prospects. You're probably aware of that. Then this winter they looked on, with sadness in their hearts no doubt, as Michael Pineda signed with Detroit as a free agent.

But this year, we look at the Twins pitching staff and what do we see? Two good starting pitchers. Two really good starting pitchers, mind you, both of whom the Twins acquired via trade - one at last year's deadline, the other this spring. Joe Ryan came over in the trade with Tampa Bay for Nelson Cruz just before the deadline last July. Ryan got his feet wet last September (2-1, 4.05 in five starts, with a very nifty 30-5 K/W ratio in 26.2 IP). He's continued being very good in his first full season. The other very good starter is Sonny Gray, acquired by the Twins in a trade with Cincinnati once training camps opened  this March (in exchange for Chase Petty, a RH pitcher who was the Twin's first choice, 26th overall, in the 2021 draft.) You see, Gray's contract calls for him to earn more than the minimum wage which obviously made him a luxury the Reds could not afford (tanking, after all, is generally done On The Cheap.) Gray of course has been a quality major league starter pitcher for years and years (85-73, 3.58 ERA+ of 117) and has been especially good so far this season.

 The rest of the rotation - Dylan Bundy, Bailey Ober, Chris Archer - has been pretty mediocre. No one's been terrible, or even bad - but no one's actually been all that good either. And as it happens, the Jays are not going to see either Ryan or Gray this weekend. Gray is having an issue with his right pectoral and just went on the IL. Ryan has been on the COVID list. Tonight's starter is Chi-Chi Gonzalez, just summoned from AAA St.Paul. He pitched previously for Colorado and Texas and has faced the Blue Jays once in his career - way back in June 2015 he lost 3-2 to Drew Hutchison. On Sunday the Twins will be running Devin Smeltzer to the hill, a 26 year old LH with a flashy 2-0, 1.50 mark in his four starts, despite striking out... well, basically nobody. Some cranky veteran catcher in the minor leagues may have told him that strikeouts were fascist. And so Smeltzer has fanned just 12 hitters in 24 innings, which is just about impossible in today's game. I suspect there are position players who could match that if they took to the mound. But Smeltzer doesn't  walk anybody either, and he hasn't allowed a HR yet in 2022. It's been working for him, but it's hard not to think that there's a trick being done with mirrors.

The front end of the bullpen - closer Emilio Pagan, old Joe Smith, and young Jhoan Duran - has been outstanding. There just isn't a whole lot behind that trio.

On the other side of the ball, the Twins are somewhat improved from last season. They were a little below average, but generally middle-of-the-pack a year ago. So far this season, they've been a little above average, but generally middle-of-the-pack. Alas for them, Joe Ryan is not the only key player on the COVID list - he's been joined by shortstop Carlos Correa, whose resume we're all quite familiar with. Royce Lewis filled in for Correa earlier this season, but now Lewis is out with a bruised knee after colliding with the centre field fence in Kansas City. Maybe that's just what you get when you ask a shortstop to play centre field. So Jermaine Palacios is up from AAA to fill in at short.

But Byron Buxton is not on the IL, and has actually made it on to the field for 37 of 53 games so far. That's very impressive for Buxton, who would probably hurt himself playing fantasy baseball. He's only hitting .207, but... baby steps, you know? The Twins' most productive hitters in 2022 have been RF Max Kepler - he's really just a decent player who happens to be off to a good start - and "first baseman" Luis Arraez. Twins manager Rocco Baldelli surely gets marks for originality or courage or something in trying Arraez at first base. Prior to this season, he had played exactly one professional game at first base. That was with the Dominican Summer League Twins way back in 2014, when he was 17 years old. You see, they don't usually put guys who are 5-10 at first base, unless they throw like Steve Garvey and you can't put them anywhere else. But Miguel Sano, the regular at the start of the year, hit .093 before undergoing knee surgery and this was Baldelli's solution. Arraez doesn't have the power most teams expect from a first-baseman - he has struck but one, singular, home run this season. Not much more should be expected of him, either - he now has a total of 7 homers in his MLB career, which runs to almost 300 games and more than 1,000 ABs. But the little fellow can definitely hit - he's a lifetime .317 hitter and 2021 is the only time he's fallen below .300 in the majors (and .294 is pretty damn close - three grounders find a hole, and he's there.) He also takes his share of walks - his lifetime OBP is .382. And so far in 2022, he's doing even more of both of those helpful things - he's batting .340 and he's taken enough walks to post the second-best OBP (.429) in the league.

Go figure.

Matchups!

Fri 3 June - Gonzalez (---,-.--) vs Kikuchi (2-1, 3.48)
Sat 4 June - Bundy (3-2, 4.76) vs Berrios (3-2, 5.62)
Sun 5 June - Smeltzer (2-0, 1.50) vs Gausman (5-3, 2.51)
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hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#414795) #
Neither Pagan or Kepler will play. They, along with Caleb Thielbar and Trevor Megill are unvaxxed.
scottt - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#414796) #
Kepler is their #3 hitter.
Pagan is their closer.
Thielbar is one of their 2 lefties in the pen.
Megil is their long relief guy.

GabrielSyme - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#414798) #
Pulling this discussion over from the old thread...

Baseball players should be able to play most every day

....

I'm generally "most but not every." I'm especially keen to see at least a couple of days off every month for older players and outfielders who play on turf at home (still traumatized by Bell-Barfield-Moseby all breaking down so young!) One game off every two weeks leaves 149 games on the schedule.


Honestly, when a player thinks they can play everyday, and there isn't any obvious indication it's hurting them, I'd say to let them. I think you tell them they can do it as long as they're honest about their bangs and bruises so they get rest when they do need it. For Bichette, the fact he missed some games with shin bruises is a good sign he's not trying to play through anything really significant.
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#414801) #
A few weeks back, when the Yankees soft schedule was mentioned, I argued even great teams have soft spots in their schedules and the Yankees are really good. Well the Twins have also had a softie, but they aren't the Yankees or the Jays. They have only played 8 games vs teams with a winning record all year. They are 2-6 in those games.

In addition to having to replace 3 members of their pen, it should be a bit taxed as well. The Twins just completed a 5 games in 4 days stretch with the Tigers (losing 4). I think every team has 2 scheduled. For us, it will be Tampa. We go to Tampa 3 times for 9 games, they come to the RC for 2 5 game sets.

Will be disappointed with anything less than a sweep this weekend.

Mike Green - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 01:26 PM EDT (#414802) #
Will be disappointed with anything less than a sweep this weekend

No pressure.
92-93 - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 01:47 PM EDT (#414803) #
The Twins bullpen is pretty fresh for this series. They will be adding 3 new arms, and their only active RP that has pitched in the last two days is Duran.
James W - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#414805) #
Buxton started the year really hot: 351/415/946 up to April 24. Since May 11, he's hit 132/231/235. (Relatedly, my fantasy team started 3-0 and is 0-4 since.)
Nigel - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#414806) #
Prior to counting chickens, remember that that odorific lineup the Jays rolled out yesterday scored 8 runs. Crazy stuff happens. That the Twins aren't nearly as good as their record suggests is, of course, spot on.
scottt - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#414807) #
Players are ready and willing to go every day and improve their future remuneration until they break down in September and then it's too late to fix it.
scottt - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#414808) #
The Pirates just swept the Dodgers.
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#414809) #
Not saying the Jays will sweep - they probably won't. Since I don't gamble, losing won't affect my finances. Any loss will negatively affect my psyche though, and my psyche is something I cherish almost as much as my opinions.
Mike Green - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#414811) #
Ben Clemens has a fine analysis of Adam Cimber's success over at Fangraphs. 

Cimber is another player I was totally wrong about.  I did not suspect that his success against LHB in 2021 was sustainable.  It was unusual, as Clemens says. 
scottt - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#414815) #
The Jays are playing at a .600 clip but so are the Twins.
The Twins are probably not as good and are somewhat handicapped here, so a series lost would be a disappointment, but I don't think a sweep is the most likely outcome.

Mike Green - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 03:54 PM EDT (#414816) #
Raimel Tapia in RF, with Teoscar Hernandez DHing and Alejandro Kirk on the bench today.  Hernandez did not play on May 25, 26 and the 30th and played just 2 innings on the 29th.  He's just starting to get in a groove, and Kirk has been red hot. 
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#414817) #
The Jays are playing at a .600 clip

Indeed. It feels, and it's felt all season, as if they're not firing on all cylinders. Which is true - but how often is a team ever firing on all cylinders? This is just the fifth time in franchise history that the team has played .600 ball through the first 50 games.
Season    W   L   Pct
1984     34  16  .680
1985     34  16  .680
1992     31  19  .620
1987     30  20  .600
2022     30  20  .600

It'll just have to do.
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#414819) #
That Cimber article is excellent Mike which is why I posted the same link earlier this morning. Since my link seems to have entered the dustbin of history, hopefully somebody out there actually bothers to check out yours.

That is Fangraphs at it's best, on a site without a paywall.
Mike Green - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#414820) #
Chi-Chi Gonzalez, eh?  As long as he doesn't do a toreador dance after a K, like his namesake did after a birdie or eagle, he should be fine. 
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#414821) #
Mike, if anyone else gets that reference - they'll have earned a cuttlefish!
Mike Green - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#414822) #
Indeed. It feels, and it's felt all season, as if they're not firing on all cylinders. Which is true - but how often is a team ever firing on all cylinders? This is just the fifth time in franchise history that the team has played .600 ball through the first 50 games.
Season    W   L   Pct
1984     34  16  .680
1985     34  16  .680
1992     31  19  .620
1987     30  20  .600
2022     30  20  .600

It'll just have to do.

Trying to capture some good vibes, I thought I'd have a look back at where they were in 1992.  After 50 games, they were 1 up, but the cool thing is that they finished a series with the White Sox in Game 50 and moved on to face the Twins in Game 51. 
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:20 PM EDT (#414823) #
I thought I'd have a look back at where they were in 1992. After 50 games, they were 1 up

At least they were in first place! The 1987 team was 2 games back, and the 1984 team was 4.5 games back, 34-16 record notwithstanding.
Mike Green - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#414824) #
We have an anonymous cuttlefish winner by e-mail to me, Magpie.  The winner's prize is:
No-Name Cuttlefish.  Add them to your salad or soup for extra chewiness.
Nigel - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#414825) #
35 and 5 starts by the division leaders will do that to you. For those here too young to remember, its actually hard to describe how difficult it was to watch the out of town scoreboard (in the non-wild card era) during the first two months of 1984. Actually, I guess it wasn't hard, you really didn't need to check the paper (yes the paper:)) the next day, you knew that they had won.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:31 PM EDT (#414826) #
Let me add my kudos to the Clemens article on Cimber. It concluded:

He’s nothing but successful, even as he pitches nothing like anyone else in the majors.

To which I might add that it's to some degree because he pitches nothing like anyone else in the majors.
Mike Green - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#414827) #
The 1984 Blue Jay team trailed, of course, the Tigers who had reeled off 13 wins to start the season and were 35-5 after 40 games.  Thinking about Adrian Hernandez changeup/screwball earlier this week brought to mind his namesake Willie Hernandez  who threw 140 great innings out of the pen for the Tigers that year.  Times were different. 
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#414828) #
The 1984 Blue Jay team trailed, of course, the Tigers

And after their 34-16 start left them 4.5 behind the Tigers, the Jays went into Detroit for a four game series. Stieb took a 3-0 lead into the seventh but gave up a three run HR to Howard Johnson to tie it, and Dave Bergman won it with a three-run walkoff off Jimmy Key. The Jays won the next two, but Morris beat Clancy in the finale and they were still 4.5 games back. So depressing.
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#414829) #
Chi-Chi Rodriguez was a golfer eons ago, no?
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#414830) #
Sorry - it wasn't Jimmy Key. It was Roy Lee Jackson, of blessed memory.
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#414831) #
From Keegan Matheson:
"Hyun Jin Ryu’s MRI revealed a forearm strain and elbow inflammation.

He’ll be down for multiple weeks. The #BlueJays are still evaluating and consulting with additional doctors at this point."

Not good.







Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 05:05 PM EDT (#414832) #
We have a winner. For your eyes only!


A rather obscure golf pro.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#414833) #
It's for your eyes only because... you're special.

And also because I have lost the ability to add an image to a comment. I actually knew how once. I seem to have forgotten. (But I can post a working link like nobody's business, I'm not completely useless.)

Seriously, if anyone has any tips for a feeble old man, I'm mostly ears. I can put an image into a story, no problem. But not in a comment. I go - maybe this will work. And it doesn't. Maybe that will work. And it doesn't. Doesn't matter whether I try it in Chrome, Firefox, Edge. I haven't a clue.
85bluejay - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 05:22 PM EDT (#414834) #
Anytime I see the name Chi Chi , I have to smile remembering the infamous mispronunciation by "Lester Nessman" of the golfer Chi-Chi Rodriguez's name on WKRP in Cincinnati.
85bluejay - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 05:33 PM EDT (#414835) #
Given Hyun Jin Ryu's injury history, this development is unsurprising and the Jays were probably the only team that was willing to give him 4 years and why I wasn't wild about the deal - much like B.J. Ryan's contact a generation ago - It wouldn't surprise me if it's more or less the end of his Jays tenure.
mathesond - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#414836) #
You mean, of course, Chai Chai Rodrigueeze, no?
Four Seamer - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#414837) #
85bluejay, I'm not sure which of your consecutive posts makes me feel older - the reminder that courtesy of Les Nessman, I too mostly and deliberately mispronounce Chi-Chi Rodriguez's name, or the crushing realization that it was in fact a full generation ago that B.J. Ryan signed his free agent contract with the Jays.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#414838) #
Wow. Chi Chi not nearly as obscure as I thought. Is Les Nessman to blame?
Nigel - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 06:09 PM EDT (#414839) #
Magpie, thank you for correcting that reference from game 1 of that 1984 Tigers-Jays series. I have been carrying a grudge against Roy Lee Jackson for 38 years about that event and I suddenly feared I was carrying all that bad karma against the wrong pitcher:). I can't tell you every detail, but 38 years later I still know it was in extra innings (pretty sure the 10th) and Bergman's AB went on for ever. A master gut punch.
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 06:27 PM EDT (#414840) #
I followed golf somewhat back in the day. Arnie's army was a bit before my time, but remember watching Jack Nicklaus, Gary Player and Lee Trevino. Don't remember the dance, but the name was so unique I've never forgotten it. Thought of him as soon as I heard Gonzalez had changed his name from Alex to Chi-Chi.
uglyone - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 06:33 PM EDT (#414841) #

(img src=https://i0.wp.com/mlb.mlb.com/images/2008/02/12/yk5T8Xe3.jpg) Replace the curvy brackets with the pointy brackets.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#414842) #
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#414843) #
It was that simple? I'm such an idiot. I am in your debt, Not-So-Handsome One.

I was kind of counting on you to provide a little outrage because Tapia is playing and Kirk is on the bench. I don't care if even you think it might be reasonable. Raimel Tapia feeds on our scorn. Someone ought to step up.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#414844) #
Bergman's AB went on for ever.

That's how I remember it (Monday night on the radio with Tom and Jerry), but the online sources don't have pitch info. I'm sure that Roger Angell wrote about that very game - as I recall they were fascinated by a spider working on its web somewhere in some corner of the Tiger Stadium pressbox - but I can't find it.
uglyone - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:08 PM EDT (#414845) #
Friggin Montoyo !!!

Ok I tried.

(P.s.....Tapia is actually.....hot! A cool 1.417ops over his last 5gms. Dare I say he's actually earnings some at bats now???)

Friggin montoyo tho!!! How dare he sit my Alejandro.
Nigel - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#414846) #
I went and looked it up. There was a story about it in the Detroit Free Press at the time of Bergman's passing. It was the 10th inning and it was a 13 pitch AB. Apparently the AB lasted 7 minutes and included one missed strike 3 (called a ball) that everyone, including Bergman, thought had ended the AB. I was listening on the radio too - I was driving and had to actually pull over, I was so on edge at the time.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#414847) #
Summer of George!
vw_fan17 - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#414848) #
Just came a bit late to the thread today - some of us work in different time zones!

How could anyone of my era *NOT* know about Chi Chi Rodriguez, immortalized by WRKP? But, also mentioned numerous times, IIRC, by Tatti/Hebscher on Sportsline. Sportsline was *SO* amazing for the 80s. YES, GUY!

THAT's worth a cuttlefish these days? SMH..
BlueJayWay - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#414849) #
The ball doesn't seem quite so dead anymore.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#414850) #
What can I say! A golf pro form the 1960s who never won a major? I was surprised that I remembered him. But I somehow missed that WKRP episode...
greenfrog - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#414851) #
I’m finding this Twins lineup a bit garlicky for my taste.
uglyone - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:49 PM EDT (#414852) #
TIL Kikuchi is Japanese for Tasty Meatball.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 07:51 PM EDT (#414853) #
That last one - I thought Kikuchi did exactly what he was trying to do, made the pitch he was trying to make. I'm not sure why that was the pitch he was trying to make. Against a hitter who's so wide open at the plate, I want to see if he can get to the outside pitch.
Chuck - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#414854) #
I’m finding this Twins lineup a bit garlicky for my taste.

It all started with Knoblauch.

greenfrog - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 08:55 PM EDT (#414855) #
I guess no one gave Richards a Miranda warning (30 HR in the minors last year).
uglyone - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 09:01 PM EDT (#414856) #
Did I mention how happy I am that Tapia is in the lineup?
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 09:08 PM EDT (#414857) #
"Will be disappointed with anything less than a sweep this weekend."

Only the 7th inning of game 1 and I'm already disappointed.
Nigel - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 09:29 PM EDT (#414858) #
And having Kirk in the lineup would just confuse things - too many men on base. No one would know what to do.

He ducks:). All in good fun on a tough night at the park.
Magpie - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#414859) #
Did I mention how happy I am that Tapia is in the lineup?

The hot streak is over. Bring the scorn!

Kirk is catching tomorrow, which might be a Springer DH day (day game after night game, a lot of running around on the outfield turf tonight.)
lexomatic - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#414860) #
<br>so one bullpen held the other team hitless and won, and the jays pen made things worse.
hypobole - Friday, June 03 2022 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#414861) #
At least all the higher leverage guys got the night off.

Beyond Romano, Cimber, Garcia and Phelps is there anyone the Jays can trust to protect a lead? I wouldn't use the word "trust", but Trent Thornton seems the best of a bad lot at this point in time.
scottt - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 05:54 AM EDT (#414862) #
Some of Kikuchi's pitches who were hit out weren't mistakes.
One was high, one was a ball inside.
Or maybe just game calling mistakes.
Sometimes pitchers/catchers disregard the scouting report and throw where they like to throw.
That was an almost all right hitting lineup with power.

There's an argument that Kikuchi should mix in the splitter a bit more.

Richards put the game out of reach.
He gives more than his shares of homers.

Vasquez throws nice curveballs, but doesn't seem to have any control over them.
I guess Borucki lost out because he has an option.

Merryweather got a scoreless inning in but without a K.

Beasley looks quite different from last year.
They had him drop the splitter--which is didn't seem to be able to throw for a strike--and throw more sliders.
Velo is nice, hitting 97mph. Bit straight though.
Late movement on the slider.
The homer to Buxton made it look like a wasted outing, but he got 5 outs, Vasquez only got 1.

The Jays hitters seem to lose their momentum once they brought Cotton to throw those 70-something change ups. I'm not sure if those were even strikes.

I expect a catcher to DH against the lefty on Sunday.
Biggio got his average down to .122 and his OBP up to .294.


krose - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 09:34 AM EDT (#414863) #
Sure glad I didn’t spend anything to see that stinker. Jays looked a little disinterested. Wonder if that disinterest is predicating a decline.
hypobole - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#414864) #
Befuddled more than disinterested to me. The bottom of the fifth was the killer. We were only down 4-3. Espinal and Biggio led off with walks. They brought in Cotton. Cotton has already been DFA'd, passed through waivers and outrighted not once but twice already this season. Springer strikes out, Bo flies out, Vlad strikes out.

Then our bullpen made sure it was all downhill from there.
Magpie - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#414865) #
Trevor Richards' performance is especially disturbing. He was already vulnerable to the home run, but he got by because he gave up nothing else - no other hits, not many walks. But so far in 2022 - even more homers and almost twice as many walks and hits (WHIP has gone from .796 to 1.455). It's becoming pretty well impossible to use him in a game situation until he finds a solution.
John Northey - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#414866) #
I see it as a bad game had to happen eventually. 8 game winning streaks are great, but eventually all streaks end. Time to start a new one today.

On BR they have 3 regulars over 130 for OPS+ (Kirk, Vlad, and Springer) plus Jansen. Bo is finally over 100 (106), while Espinal is coming back to earth (113), In the 80's are Chapman, Gurriel, and Hernandez but all 3 are showing signs they'll be back to the 100+ area soon. Tapia has climbed up to the 70's after being in the 50's most of the season so far. Biggio from negative when he was hurt, to 41 now - he looks a lot more like the 19/20 version than the 21/early 22 version now. and Zimmer who has yet to figure out which end of the bat to hold it seems.

IMO the offense is fine now. Yeah, it'd be nice if Zimmer could hit and if Vlad could get back to the 160s OPS+ monster of last year, but that part of the team seems OK or well on the way to OK.

The pen... once Mazya comes back will be better but we need more. Romano-Cimber-Garica-Phelps are a very decent 4 late guy options. But with Stripling going back to the rotation that leaves Thornton-Richards-Merryweather as the other half with Beasley and Vasquez just for mop up duties. Mazya as I said will be a big asset once healthy, but the Jays really could use another arm. A shame they didn't sign David Robertson when they had the chance (Cubs signed him in March for $3.5 mil and he has been very solid for them).
uglyone - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#414867) #
2 starters sitting, #4 SP and backend of bullpen on the mound.

Result isn't shocking
greenfrog - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#414868) #
I thought the approach of Springer/Bichette/Vlad could have been better against Cotton's changeup-heavy repertoire in the bottom of the fifth.
scottt - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#414869) #
This looked a lot like one of those Tampa Bay opener routine.
Cotton was throwing 70mph changes with different shapes.
Vlad looked at one but it was a 93mph fastball, so that didn't help much.
Because there were men on base, they went down swinging.

The best thing is to forget about it.
Today is another day.

ISLAND BOY - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#414870) #
I hope Berrios looks better today. With Ryu down and Kikuchi inconsistent, the rotation suddenly looks shaky after Gausman and Manoah.
92-93 - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#414871) #
Nice looking lineup today. Biggio currently has a higher OBP than Bichette, Hernandez, Chapman, and Gurriel.
Hodgie - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 05:29 PM EDT (#414872) #
So fun to see Berrios come back after that homerun and spend the rest of his afternoon bullying the Twins. Hopefully, that is a turning point for his season.
Magpie - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#414873) #
Shulman, after enjoying Teoscar's triple, lamented briefly that a triple is always a fun play that you simply don't see as often as you used to. He wasn't kidding. The AL at ten year intervals:
Year   Total  Avg
2021    317   21
2011    411   29
2001    440   31
1991    453   32
1982    519   37 (didn't want to use 1981, the strike year)
1973    404   34 (first year of the DH)
I think it's mostly about the ballparks. Triples increased as artificial turf increased, and disappeared along with it. You need to get the ball past the outfielders. The turf helped quite a bit.

The only AL team that matched the 1982 average team last year was Detroit, who hit 26 3bs at home and 11 on the road. Their pitchers allowed 19 at home, 9 on the road. Comerica does feature the other triple-friendly feature, which is a great big outfield. (Although I wouldn't really want to draw any kind of conclusions over just one season - small samples, an unusual event...)
uglyone - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 06:15 PM EDT (#414874) #
I appreciate when Montoyo rests only one starter instead of 2 or 3 in the same game.

If he could manage to ensure the rest days continue to only rest one starter at a time I'd be a much happier camper.
greenfrog - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#414877) #
Satisfying win. It feels like the Jays could vault into serious contention for a championship with two or three moves in the next couple of months (strong lefty bat, power reliever, maybe even another SP). Of course, they are a very good team as currently constituted.
scottt - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#414879) #
Just annoyed at Thornton coming out of the pen and missing badly, but otherwise one of their best games this year.
John Northey - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#414880) #
Right now everything is depending on injuries. Ryu out for multiple weeks (IE: not back until after the ASG if then, I doubt we see him on the mound this year again). So if Stripling can pitch like he did last year for a bit in the rotation - after his 7 inning relief game (not counting it here) until injured August 10th he started 13 games, 3.67 ERA 4.85 FIP which is solid for a #5, decent for a #4 - 4.7 innings per start (sub 5 just 3 times) just 3 times allowing 4+ runs over those 13.

I could see the Jays trading for another starter if Ryu appears done (IE: needs surgery). Stripling is OK but not great and more useful in the swing role. Kikuchi is decent but nerve racking right now. Berrios looks solid again but his overall ERA+ before today was at 69. The twin aces is nice (Gausman/Manoah) but the next 3 ... I trust Berrios should be solid now, Kikuchi I have high hopes for, but Stripling I like in the pen as a long man. Hopefully Pearson will earn his way back soon, or Hatch (5.36 ERA in AAA - yikes, just 7.8 K/9 vs 3.1 BB/9 - not numbers that earn a call up).
Gerry - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#414881) #
Ryan Borucki has been traded to the Mariners in exchange for a 23 year old 3B/1B named Tyler Keenan who is playing in the Northwest league. Presumably someone on Vancouver recommended him.
hypobole - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#414882) #
Keenan performed all three years at Ole Miss, slashing .306/.420/.550 during his career there. His performance makes him a fairly stable kind of prospect, a low-variance corner role-playing sort. He played third base in college but is listed at 250 pounds and while he is still at the hot corner, he will likely only be passable there (if that) and projects to play more 1B/DH in pro ball. His prospect stock is tied heavily to his statistical performance.

This was from the 2021 FG Mariners list, not ranked in 2022. (79 wRC+ last year in A+)
John Northey - Saturday, June 04 2022 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#414884) #
Just sounds like the Jays grabbing anything they could for Borucki rather than losing him for nothing. Tyler Keenan is hitting 250/349/391 in A+ at age 23. If he was doing that in AAA at his age I'd rank him as marginal, but in A+ that is a non-prospect lottery ticket. 1B/3B. Basically filler to keep from needing to use their current 1b/3B guys from the field as much as possible - 233/340/399 from 23 year old PK Morris at 1B, 209/303/351 from 23 year old Riley Tirotta at 3B. Ugh. Of course the whole team is "hitting" just 222/318/371. Addison Barger is the star (22 years old, 288/328/515 at SS/3B), along with Cameron Eden (24 years old, 297/357/460 in CF).
scottt - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 05:45 AM EDT (#414886) #
He's a left bat with some power.
He was a 4th round pick in 2020, so can't be as young as a high schooler .
Seems to be hitting the ball on the ground too much (49.2%).
11% walks vs 27% strikeout.

Best of luck to Borucki in Seattle.

scottt - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 06:07 AM EDT (#414888) #
The Padres best pitcher this year has been Joe Musgrove and that took me by surprise.

greenfrog - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 09:00 AM EDT (#414889) #
Quiz time. Here are the Jays top position player fWAR totals in 2022. Without looking it up, can you match the fWAR to the player?

(a) 1.7
(b) 1.5
(c) 1.4
(d) 0.9
(e) 0.8
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 09:05 AM EDT (#414890) #
I know the answer, but I'm not going to say


(because I saw it 2 hours ago)
electric carrot - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 09:14 AM EDT (#414891) #
my guesses:

a) Espinal
b) Springer
c) Kirk
d) Bichette
e) Guerrero

uglyone - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:14 AM EDT (#414893) #
Don't think espinal would be on top anymore. Top guy has to be Kirk or Springer I think. Probably Springer cuz more playing time.
uglyone - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#414894) #
On a related note....

Career:

Bo (24): 1261pa, 122wrc+, 4.2war650
Kirk (23): 372pa, 125wrc+, 4.0war650
uglyone - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#414895) #
Oh and Kirk finally has as many plate appearances as Tapia does this season!
greenfrog - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#414896) #
Very good guesses. Kirk has gotten the most production per PA of all five players. 1.5 WAR in 158 PA is excellent.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:34 AM EDT (#414897) #
The big differences between fWAR and bWAR are not for position players, but for pitchers.  fWAR has Gausman as almost twice as valuable as Manoah (as a result of  his Gausman's awesome FIP) whereas bWAR has Manoah as slightly more valuable than Gausman (consistent with Manoah's better ERA, and xERA) 
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:40 AM EDT (#414898) #
Incidentally it seems clear to me that the club's biggest need now is another starting pitcher.  They were 6 deep prior to the season, with little minor league support, and now they are 5 deep.  That's not a good position to be in.   A competent innings-eater would be fine.
uglyone - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#414899) #
For pitchers I like splitting the difference between fwar and ra9war (both on fangraphs).
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:46 AM EDT (#414900) #
The Blue Jays have their A lineup today- their best nine hitters, all right-handed,  in there against the soft-tossing lefty.  Smeltzer leans heavily on a curve and a change. 
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#414901) #
fWAR has only 3 pitchers ahead of Musgrove's 1.9. Gausman and 2 shockers, Tarik Skubal (who we should miss next weekend) and Martin Perez.

I went back and checked the original trade thread. Musgrove was a prospect, but a fairly generic one. Saw no outrage over his inclusion. Someone even mentioned an interview with AA saying the org didn't see him (or Woj) as having top or even mid-rotation potential. Usually pitching prospects disappoint, but every once in a while...
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#414903) #
Personally, I'd split the difference between ERA and xERA and factor in innings in some way.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 11:01 AM EDT (#414904) #
Usually pitching prospects disappoint, but every once in a while...

A quality pitching prospects disappoint more than one would expect, C pitching prospects succeed less often than A pitching prospects but surprise more often than C hitting prospects. 
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 11:07 AM EDT (#414905) #
Yeah, Casey Lawrence and Johnny Wholestaff seem to be next in line - neither overly appealing. Big Nate is a bit of a wild card, but between his health and inconsistencies, I'll be happy with him as a decent reliever until he shows otherwise.

On the plus side, the 4 remaining starters seem to be among the least injury-prone in baseball.
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 11:15 AM EDT (#414906) #
C pitching prospects succeed less often than A pitching prospects but surprise more often than C hitting prospects.

Two examples as to why were Kevin Smith in AA and Kendall Graveman in A+. Swing changes are really difficult because of muscle memory. But a new and effective pitch can appear out of nowhere.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#414907) #
Those are nice examples, hypobole. 

It is true however that most of the pitchers who turn out to have great careers were top prospects.  Among the top 12 active pitching WAR leaders- Verlander, Kershaw, Greinke, Scherzer, Sale, Wainwright, deGrom, Price, Cueto, Bumgarner, Kluber, and Cole, the only ones who weren't top prospects were deGrom and Kluber.  Cueto was not exactly a top prospect, but was close. 
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 11:30 AM EDT (#414908) #
Good news. Tim Mayza scheduled for his first rehab appearance Tuesday in Buffalo.
lexomatic - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#414909) #
<br>The Padres best pitcher this year has been Joe Musgrove and that took me by surprise.

I think Musgrove has been one of those pitchers who's sneakily been near the top for a few years. Definitely since getting g to SD, but I think it was considered a possibility as soon as his 2nd season in HOU. And definitely by the time he was in PIT. I seem to remember reading about him as break out candidate or trade target. Don't remember where the big jump was, maybe 2020 with the huge K increase?
bpoz - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#414910) #
Atkins I think believes in bulk prospects. Eventually someone will be good. Romano overcame his low prospect status and became valuable. Mayza is another one as is Cimber and T Richards. We have quantity in AAA. Kay and Hatch to add to Thornton and Merryweather. Players not on the 40 man roster as well K Johnston and M Castillo.

A Tinnish has signed some Latin players June 1. LHP Moises Brito 19, SS J Fernandez 17 and C M Minoso 16 years old. More quantity all reporting to the DSL.
scottt - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#414911) #
Predictably.  However, the Jays tend to struggle against good right handed pitching and any type of left handed pitching. So here comes one with the good reverse splits. Leftys have managed an OPS of .705 against him but right handed batters have averaged only .434. During his good 2020 year, Ryu had splits of .652/.570 (doing better against the lefties), to put things in perspective.

Smeltzer has a four seamer that sits at 89mph, a change at 82 mph that moves away from a right handed batter and a curve around 75mph.

92-93 - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#414912) #
Another beautiful looking lineup, even if Biggio should start over Espinal with Smeltzer’s reverse splits. Montoyo is getting the hang of it.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#414913) #
Espinal kills left-handed pitching (career- .350/.399/.448) and the results of a PA are affected significantly more by the tendencies of the hitter. Plus Espinal is a better fielder.

I am more interested in seeing whether the power-hitting corner outfielders can maintain the discipline they have shown recently. I am betting that they do...
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 01:11 PM EDT (#414914) #
Smeltzers reverse splits are 4 games. Career, his FIP almost even. Games vs Cle, KC twice and Det.

Those teams RHB's vs LHP's all stink. wRC+ 87, 87, 84.
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 01:23 PM EDT (#414915) #
Jays RHB's have a 120 wRC+ vs LHP this year, 126 wRC+ last year.
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#414917) #
I don't think they're losing balls in the sun. No one's shielding their eyes from the glare. I think they're losing the ball in the clouds.
Nigel - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 01:55 PM EDT (#414918) #
It could be a loss in the clouds, but since he’s returned from injury Hernandez has dialed back the clock several years with his fielding. Not a good development.
scottt - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 01:57 PM EDT (#414919) #
Might be that the clouds are too white. Still not a good result.
BlueJayWay - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#414920) #
I think they're losing the ball in the clouds.

Hard to deal with such a rare meteorological phenomenon.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#414921) #
Sunglasses might help in creating contrast given the sun shining through the clouds.  Hernandez seemed to benefit from wearing the glasses in the 2nd.
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#414922) #
I blame the red unis. I have never seen a Red Jay in the wild.
99BlueJaysWay - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 02:20 PM EDT (#414923) #
This is brutal. Did everyone forget how to play all at once?
greenfrog - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#414924) #
Still a winnable game.
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 02:26 PM EDT (#414925) #
For those of you not in Toronto - it's a weird sky today. It's not white clouds against a blue background, like The Simpsons opening. It's white clouds against a cloudy white background.
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#414926) #
You will notice the complete absence of shadows on the field.
scottt - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#414927) #
They all put their sunglasses on, which seemed to be the problem.

I'm still not a fan of Jansen's receiving.
Often not putting a target and when he does it's usually a decoy.
Lots of pitches ending in the middle height of the zone which is not Gaus' strength.
Ironically, Gaus was better when paired with Collins, 4 runs in 27+ innings.


uglyone - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#414928) #
So Kirk is our best player. Pretty cool.
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#414929) #
It's probably Springer so far this season, but All-Star Kirk is more than possible. Of the 15 starting catchers in the AL, no less than nine are looking up at the Mendoza Line, including Sal Perez himself.
greenfrog - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#414930) #
You have to be disciplined against the Cottonball.
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:36 PM EDT (#414931) #
Did Gordon think there were two out? What was that?
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#414932) #
Helluva play by Springer.  Don't know what Gordon was thinking though. 
krose - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#414933) #
But….Why was Vlad covering second?
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#414934) #
When the defense is in one of these extreme shifts, it's now the first-baseman's job to get to second base ahead of the hitter because the middle infielders may not be available - one may be in the outfield, one will definitely be a cutoff man. (In a traditional defense, the first-baseman just trails the batter.)
Nigel - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#414935) #
Kirk has a real Ted Simmons vibe going for him.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#414936) #
Are we very disappointed yet?
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 04:26 PM EDT (#414937) #
Anyone else think a roster move after tonight is in the offing? Stripling isn't exactly stretched out.
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#414938) #
Are we very disappointed yet?

Still up in the air, which is where I hope Springer launches it.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#414939) #
I wondered whether it would have made a difference to bring in Romano when it was 6-3.  He needed the work anyway.  Siddall didn't think that it was a good idea, but I would be inclined to disagree.
scottt - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#414940) #
Those 2 dropped balls completely changed the game.  Without that Gaus lasts another inning or more, saves at least 2 runs from the early innings and probably 1 or 2 from the later ones.
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 06:04 PM EDT (#414941) #
Let us briefly contemplate the wonder of a fairly uneventful weekend of Angel Hernandez. OK, he had the call overturned on Friday night, but the play was so close slow-motion replay was required to know what had happened. And there was an egregious called third strike on Zimmer on Saturday - but the score was 12-2, there were only four more outs left to get, and everybody just wanted to get out of there.

For Angel... not bad.
hypobole - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#414942) #
Adrian Hernandez threw another shut-out inning today. 12 pitches 8 strikes. He last worked May 30, 2 IP.

Both Beasley and vasquez should have "DFA ME" signs stuck to their backs. Vasquez maybe safe-ish until Mayza returns.
Mike Green - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 06:34 PM EDT (#414943) #
Hernandez for 1-2 middle inning stints would be a logical starting place.  I suspect that they're going to call up somebody who may have more length potential.  Which would be unfortunate. 
greenfrog - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 06:54 PM EDT (#414944) #
I support the idea of promoting Hernandez, if the team thinks he's ready. On the one hand, he's young (22) and has logged very few innings in the high minors. On the other hand, he has an out pitch and he's been great in 2022 (and dominant in AAA). It would be worth seeing what he's got, in low-leverage situations initially.
Gerry - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 07:04 PM EDT (#414945) #
Jays have to drop a pitcher in a week plus bring back Mayza. As mentioned Vasquez and Beasley can go so Hernandez would be coming up for Merryweather.
scottt - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#414946) #
Andrew Vasquez had great number in Buffalo as well.

Casey Lawrence would be the logical choice as long man.
Saucedo, like Mayza, is on the mend and throwing.



Mike D - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 08:20 PM EDT (#414947) #
Last weekend, as great as Trout is, I was somewhat surprised that he has the all-time greatest OPS vs. the Jays of any hitter with 200+ PA.

I took a look at all Hall of Famers with 200+ PA vs. Toronto.

Top 5 OPS:

.974 Griffey
.954 Vlad Sr.
.953 Brett
.931 Ortiz
.901 Yount

Bottom 5:

.716 Raines
.732 Ripken
.741 Fisk
.751 Puckett
.776 Simmons

George Brett, Robin Yount and Alan Trammell all posted a higher OPS against the Jays than any other opponent where they had 200+ PA. Kirby Puckett and Jim Thome posted their lowest OPS against the Jays.

I also looked up the ERAs for HOF pitchers with 70+ IP against Toronto:

Top 5:

1.81 Rivera
2.23 Jenkins
2.42 Niekro
2.68 Ryan
2.93 Eckersley

Bottom 5:

4.26 Morris
3.82 Blyleven
3.81 Sutton
3.66 Randy Johnson
3.26 Mussina

Despite only facing the Jays later in his career, Fergie Jenkins posted his best ERA against Toronto among all opponents where he had 70+ IP.
vw_fan17 - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#414948) #
Feels like they're back playing at the homerdome...
Magpie - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#414949) #
Despite only facing the Jays later in his career, Fergie Jenkins posted his best ERA against Toronto

Fergie had the good fortune of only facing the 1977-81 version of the Blue Jays, as inoffensive a group of hitters as any pitcher could ask to see.

There's probably something similar going on with a few of the hitters. Tim Raines and Ted Simmons certainly had their best years in the Other League.
vw_fan17 - Sunday, June 05 2022 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#414951) #
Turns out he didn't get quite 200 PA (154, I thought it was more), but he would have *ALMOST* made this list - Al Oliver hit 897 against the Jays - tied for the best of his career. He also hit 897 against the Cubs in 844 PA (including lifetime OPS of 960 at Wrigley Field!), so I guess he was much more of a thorn in their sides..
bpoz - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 09:18 AM EDT (#414952) #
NYY on pace to win 117 games. Jays 95. NYY's runs scored is pretty good. Their runs against is by far the best in the AL. I expected a decent offense and a very good pen but it is the rotation that is dominant.

Of course playoff success is another story.
hypobole - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 09:28 AM EDT (#414953) #
Depressing weekend on the whole, but it could be worse. Could be an Angels fan.

Looked like they would snap their 10 game losing streak, but up 6-2 in the 8th, Iglesias gave up a grand slam to Bryce Harper after an error had help load the bases. Retook the lead in the 9th, but a 3 run shot by Bryson Stott, which brought his average up to .159, sealed their fate.

scottt - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 09:40 AM EDT (#414954) #
Can Severino make 30 starts? Can Cortes end the year with an ERA of 1.50?
Some things are likely to change before the end of September.

Mike Green - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#414955) #
.953 Brett

I imagine this is regular season only.  Brett of course destroyed Jays pitching in the 1985 playoffs to the tune of a 1.326 OPS in 23 at-bats.  If you're interested in Win Productivity, Brett's WPA that series was 0.54 and the rest of the Royals offence was 0.02 and the Royals' pitching staff was -.06.  It's likely that without Brett, the series would have gone the other way and there's a decent chance that the Jays would have won their first World Series championship. 

I'd add that he put up those numbers in generally a modest run-scoring environment and for most of his time against the Blue Jays, they had good or better pitching. 

He wins my vote as the #1 Blue Jays nemesis. 
hypobole - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 10:24 AM EDT (#414956) #
.953 Brett

Nice segue for this morning's quiz, especially since we start a series in KC tonight.

"Which player with at least 1,800 plate appearances has the highest batting average in Kansas City Royals franchise history?"
mathesond - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#414957) #
Heh, I remember reading question just yesterday. I also remember who are 2nd and 3rd, but forget #1, oddly enough.
hypobole - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 10:46 AM EDT (#414959) #
I guess you also saw this, then.

Rob Thompson was promoted to manage the Phillies after Girardi was fired. He's only the 3rd Canadian born manager ever, and 1st since George Gibson with the Pirates in 1934.
Four Seamer - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 10:47 AM EDT (#414960) #
"Which player with at least 1,800 plate appearances has the highest batting average in Kansas City Royals franchise history?" Buddy Biancalana.
hypobole - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 10:49 AM EDT (#414961) #
The article has his name as Thompson with a p, but the correct spelling is actually Thomson. I knew that and still spelled it wrong also.
hypobole - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#414962) #
Buddy Biancalana.

Good guess! Although his 582 PA's and .213 BA fall a just bit short of the mark.

P.S - I know that wasn't a real guess, you just wanted to post his name.
Cracka - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 11:33 AM EDT (#414963) #
I'm impatient and looked up the answer and never ever, ever, ever, would have guessed it.

Buddy Biancalana was a gem. During the summer of 1985, David Letterman regularly made fun of his hitting and even developed a "Buddy Biancalana vs. Pete Rose" hit counter. But after the Royals won the World Series, Biancalana got to appear on the show and was a good sport about it all. "I need 4000 more hits... but I'm a lot closer to Rose than Letterman is to Johnny Carson".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SDjpq1FNzQ
scottt - Monday, June 06 2022 @ 11:50 AM EDT (#414964) #
What I find interesting is that the Royals have been rebuilding since 2018.
They won it all in 2015, as we all remember.
Then they were a .500 team for 2 years.
They lost 104 in 2018 and 103 in 2019.
Finished 4th in the short 2020 and last year (74-88).
And now they're looking at another 100 loss season in the mouth.


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