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There were some pitching woes on the farm Thursday. Mitch White, Jimmy Burnette, Chad Dallas, TJ Brock all had their problems. Vancouver had good pitching and picked up the only win. On the hitting side, Orelvis was the bright spot, he had three hits including a home run. Peyton Williams hit his first home run in high A.

St. Paul 11 Buffalo 5

Reading 13 New Hampshire 7

Eugene 0 Vancouver 8

Dunedin 1 Clearwater 4

Three Stars

Third Star - Trenton Wallace

Second Star - Garrett Spain

First Star - Orelvis Martinez



Mitch White was bad again, he just can't pitch well. This was his third start in a row where he has given up five runs. You wonder if anyone would claim him now if he was waived. Jimmy Burnette had two good appearances after he was promoted from AA. Today was his second bad one in a row. In this game he allowed three runs. Thomas Hatch actually started and he pitched well over three innings.

In AA, Chad Dallas had trouble hitting the zone. He walked six in 4.1 innings. He struck out just two and was charged with five runs. TJ Brock came on later to make his AA debut and to say it didn't go well would be an understatement. He hit the first batter, then threw a wild pitch, followed by a single, before getting out of the inning. He came out for the next inning, gave up a couple of hits, followed by back to back home runs. It can only get better from here.

Sebastian Espino, a hit or miss hitter, connected for a three run home run. Orelvis hit his 15th, a solo shot. He also made his tenth error, singled, doubled and walked. That's a 3-4 night, with a walk. Rainer Nunez was 2-4 and drove in two runs. He is 22 years old in AA, that's good, but he is almost a year older than Orelvis. PK Morris also had two hits.

Three Vancouver pitchers combined on a three hit shutout. Trenton Wallace went five innings, two hits, one walk, three K's. Eric Pardinho added two shutout innings.

Peyton Williams got the scoring started with his first home run. It was his only hit. Garrett Spain added a two run shot and later single in another run. He was 3-4. Alex De Jesus was also 3-4.

Pat Gallagher made his first start of the season for Dunedin. He gave up two runs in four innings. Sammy Hernandez's homer accounted for the Jays only run. He was 2-4.

Paul Fry, who has been one of the most reliable pitchers out of Buffalo's bullpen, has gone on the IL. Wes Parsons has joined the Bisons as his replacement.

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Jonny German - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 08:01 AM EDT (#429532) #
Another aspect that made Orelvis' night impressive - he had no strikeouts while his teammates whiffed 12 times, everyone else had at least 1 K.
John Northey - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#429533) #
Can't help but wonder what happened to Mitch White. He was a decent 6th man/long man for the Dodgers, like Stripling was, but unlike Stripling he came here and collapsed completely and hasn't shown any signs of getting back to where he was. Got to figure the Jays and White are both very frustrated. Both hoped for a Stripling type of growth pattern I figure. But instead we have a useless situation. 117 ERA+ as a Dodger, but here he can't even survive AAA (9.58 ERA over 7 games 20 2/3 IP). At this point his 40 man slot (no options so might as well remove him from the 40 man if trying to demote) is in danger as the Jays will need to demote him once his rehab time is up unless something drastic changes and fast.

On the other hand Orelvis Martinez has really come to life. His overall stats still look 'yikes' with a 195/299/530 line but the last 28 days is 275/402/725, last 7 364/500/864 (video game numbers). Whatever clicked for him really worked. If he keeps this up he'll be in AAA by mid-summer with a shot at a ML callup in September with a shot at taking over 3B in 2024. The other contenders for 3B in 2024 (if Chapman leaves) aren't doing so well - Otto Lopez 228/293/279 in AAA, Addison Barger 237/333/329 in AAA, but Rafael Lantigua (a non-consideration pre-season but is 25 so still potential) is hitting 310/461/503. Damiano Palmegiani in AA at 3B at 23 is hitting 264/382/439 thus is also in the picture, as is AA 2B Miguel Hiraldo (22) hitting 272/324/432. Right now though there is no question Orelvis Martinez has moved back into the 'top' slot for 3B in 2024 if Chapman isn't resigned. If Chapman is resigned then 2B is an option for all of these guys (Merrifield is a likely free agent - mutual options are rarely implemented and Biggio/Espinal won't block anyone).
Ryan Day - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#429534) #
I suspect there's something physically wrong with White they just haven't found yet - he started spring with a sore elbow, then had a sore shoulder, and he's been terrible ever since.

Or maybe something weird is going on in Buffalo - Zach Thompson & Drew Hutchison have both been terrible, too, though they looked like they should have been competent AAA placeholders coming into the season.
hypobole - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#429536) #
Had a bit of insomnia, so I watched every Orelvis plate appearance this week. What I remember.

He didn't chase. He watched some strikes go by, fouled off pitches, but only swung and missed once. It was a plus slider from the Phil's #3/fringe top 100 that rung him up in game 1.

Both HR's were crushed. One to left, the other to left-centre. Missed a 3rd off the short porch in right. It was about a foot from going out and went for a double. Got a bit lucky once with a slow low liner that dropped just over the 2nd base bag. On the other hand he also had a line drive right at the RF and a rocket that the 3B made into a leaping catch.

Didn't watch his defence yet, but I'm guessing its a lot less impressive.
hypobole - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 01:25 PM EDT (#429537) #
The IL ERA is up from 4.63 in 2022 to 5.06 with the new ABS. Buffalo is up about a run and a half. Hatch is better this year and Francis a lot better. But yeah, a lot of bad pitching overall.

As for White, he turned into a pumpkin almost as soon as we acquired him last year. Was thinking the same as Gerry. Being out of options, doubt he would he even get claimed if DFA'd. And if he did, won't shed any tears.
hypobole - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#429538) #
One last Orelvis note. His BABIP is up to .143 after being sub-.100 for quite some time. That's still lowest of the 843 qualified minor leaguers. His wRC+ is up to 113. None of the next 21 lowest has a wRC+ over 100.
Marc Hulet - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#429540) #
Honestly with White, I think it's part injury issues and part poor scouting. I've seen White pitch enough to know there's nothing special about his stuff. He needs solid command/control to survive and his numbers with LA were an illusion due to his home park and soft league.

But yes, AAA seems to have some very juiced-ball like numbers but it could also be related to technology impacts and overall depth issues where the really good pitchers don't stay at AAA long at all anymore and those fringe arms are now in the majors with larger pitching staffs.
85bluejay - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#429541) #
To make matters worse regarding Mitch White, Nick Frasso is looking like a keeper.
John Northey - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 05:47 PM EDT (#429543) #
Wow, Frasso has a 0.91 ERA in AA over 7 starts, 29 2/3 IP 1.5 BB/9 12.1 K/9. Yikes! That could easily be another Syndergaard type 'yikes' deal in the end but even more extreme as at least R.A. Dickey was a useful ML pitcher for a few years and helped the Jays get to the 2015 and 2016 playoffs. White hasn't helped really. The team won just 2 of his 8 starts, and those 2 he didn't go 5 in either. Ick. Atkins just has to accept the big loss with that deal. I thought it made sense at the time, but in retrospect it was a disaster. Whoever told him White was a solid pitcher should be fired unless there was an injury the Jays didn't know about.
Kelekin - Friday, June 02 2023 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#429544) #
I rarely say a bad word about management. Still, Atkins' biggest fault with managing assets is that instead of using multiple prospects for higher-ceiling players, he trades high-ceiling (but risky) prospects for depth or average players. It is an indictment of our development to not have enough depth after years of talking about all the depth we're building.

I think they've made many good "slight win" trades over the past few years, but plenty of trades over the past year have been questionable asset management.
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