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Six weeks left. We're getting down to it.


The Blue Jays versus the Orioles in 2023 has been a Grim and Terrible Saga. Good times have been few and far between.

The Story So Far

It began with the Orioles paying a visit back in May.

Fri 19 May: Baltimore 6 Toronto 2 - Mountcastle's three run homer off Kikuchi staked the Orioles to a 3-1 lead in the third inning. A solo shot from Santander in the sixth (off Richards) and a two run homer by Frazier (off Swanson) in the ninth did the rest of the damage. Kyle Gibson pitched seven strong innings, scattering five hits and holding the Jays to just a single run.

Sat 20 May: Baltimore 6 Toronto 5 - An interesting, and ultimately frustrating game. This was the game when John Schneider finally broke up the Manoah-Kirk combination that had been in place for almost all of Manoah's major league career. And it seemed to work - Manoah, with Danny Jansen behind the plate, actually looked like a competent major league pitcher once again. Manoah pitched into the sixth, and came out of the game largely because his manager made a visit to the mound. Evidently, he'd forgotten that his pitching coach had already made a mound visit that inning. Naturally Jansen hurt himself and went on the IL before Manoah's turn came around again, and after going 0-3, 14.73 in his next three starts, Manoah was sent back to the shop for Major Fixes. As for the rest of the game - the Jays took a 5-2 lead into the eighth inning, with homers from Springer and Jansen leading the attack. But in the eighth, the Orioles put a couple of men on against Erik Swanson. Schneider summoned Jordan Romano for a five out save. Romano got one out, but Ryan O'Hearn tied the game with a three run homer. The Orioles cashed the Zombie Runner in their half of the tenth and Felix Bautista struck out the side to nail it down.

Sun 21 May: Baltimore 8 Toronto 3 - This was a close, absorbing game for most of the afternoon. A Chapman homer staked the Jays to an early lead, but the Orioles cashed a pair in the third. Ortiz led off with a double, Mullins followed with a single, and they both came around to score on a groundout and a failed fielder's choice. The Jays eventually tied it up against reliever Mychal Givens and we went to extras. The Orioles immediately cashed the Zombie Runner against Nate Pearson in their half of the tenth, but the Jays quickly did likewise in their half. So Yimi Garcia came out for the eleventh. He struck out Mountcastle, which seemed a promising start - it was Mountcastle, after all. Garcia then gave up base hits to each of the next four batters, allowing three runs to score, and after getting a second out, concluded his disastrous day by giving up a two run double to Mullins. And the Orioles had completed the sweep.

And yet, there was a positive - Toronto pitchers held notorious Blue Jay killer Ryan Mountcastle to one measly hit in twelve at bats. Granted, it was a three-run homer that more or less settled matters in the first game. But after that - nothing! Something to build on. Something to give hope for the future.

A few weeks later, the Blue Jays visited Camden Yards, and things went only slightly better despite the fact that Mountcastle didn't even play in any of these games - he was beginning what would turn out to be a month-long stint on the IL with vertigo related issues. Did the Jays take advantage of the opportunity afforded by his absence? Not really.

Tue 13 June: Toronto 6 Baltimore 11 - It started well enough. Springer led off with a double, Guerrero singled him home, and Bassitt worked a scoreless first inning. But in the second, Hays doubled and scored on Frazier's homer to put the Orioles ahead. And in, - the third, everything went to hell. Santander led off with a single, and O'Hearn followed with a homer to put the Orioles up 4-1. The Orioles then loaded the bases for Gunnar Henderson, who cleared them with his first career grand slam. The Orioles would tack on three more against Francis and White and take an 11-2 lead. Over the last two innings, the Jays would score four times against the back end of the bullpen.

Wed 14 June: Toronto 3 Baltimore 1 - The Jays finally defeat the Orioles, thanks mainly to Jose Berrios, who provided 7.2 innings of three hit shutout. Kyle Bradish was pretty sharp for the Orioles, allowing only a Springer solo homer over his seven innings. The Jays tacked on two more in the eighth on a Kiermaier single and doubles from Merrifield and Bichette. They were needed, as Romano made things a little too interesting with two out in the ninth, allowing three straight hits and putting the tying run on base before fanning Frazier to end it.

Thu 15 June: Toronto 2 Baltimore 4 - A pair of solo homers from Jansen had the Jays up 2-1 in the fifth, but the Orioles tied it up and chased Kikuchi that same inning. Yimi Garcia got the first two outs in the sixth, but three straight singles, from Hays, Rutschman, and Santander, plated the go-ahead run, and that would be enough on this day.

And about three weeks ago, the Orioles made their second visit to Toronto, and once more, largely had things go their way. Mountcastle was back in the lineup, presumably all kinds of happy to see his old chums from Toronto. You know, the ones that have been keeping him in the league..

Mon 31 July: Baltimore 4 Toronto 2 - Nassitt struck out Rutschman and Henderson to start the game, but a walk, a single, and a wild pitch put two in scoring position for Mountcastle and you can guess the rest. The Orioles added two more in the third on a Henderson homer, A Santander double, and a Mountcastle sac fly. All this was more than enough for Kyle Gibson, who scattered four singkes over six innings.

Tue 1 August: Baltimore 13 Toronto 3 - Hyun-Jin Ryu made his long awaited return, and begun his evening like a man with a whole lot of rust to shake off - his night began double, double, single and he was down 2-0 before he'd even broken a sweat. A double and single next inning made it 3-0, at which point Ryu began to find his old form and the Jays fought back to tie the game on homers from Jansen and Belt. Ryu went back out for the sixth inning - possibly pushing things a bit in the man's first game in fourteen months - and gave up a tie-breaking homer to Henderson. The Orioles then piled on against the bullpen, scoring three runs against Cabrera (all unearned thanks to a Chapman error) and four runs against Pearson (who walked the bases full and served up a grand slam to Santander.)

Wed 2 August: Baltimore 1 Toronto 4 - Kikuchi and Rodriguez matched up in a game that was a tight pitcher's duel through six when the Orioles gave the game away. Rodriguez walked a couple and was relieved by Fujinami, who walked a third batter to load the bases and hit the next batters to score two runs and put the Jays up 3-1. A fourth run scored on a Mateo error and Garcia, Hicks, and Swanson closed it out. The Jays scored four runs on just three hits.

Thu 3 August:  Baltimore 6 Toronto 1 - Jack Flaherty made his Orioles debut and held the Jays to one run through six innings, while the batters scored three off Gausman, chasing him in the fifth. That Mountcastle fellow had four hits and a sac fly.

In these four games, Mountcastle went 11-13 with four doubles, three walks, 6 RBI, 4 runs scored. He's hitting .344/.404/.651 with 15 of his 77 career homers against Toronto. Mountcastle against Kikuchi has been an especially gruesome matchup - the Oriole has gone 7-12 with 4 HRs and 4 walks - that's a slash line of .583/.600/1.667and an OPS of 2.354 and it's hard to believe this is actually happening in the major leagues.

Can we please get a new scouting report on this guy?

Matchups
Tue 22 August - Kikuchi (9-4, 3.44) vs Rodriguez (3-3, 5.44)
Wed 23 August - Gausman (9-7, 3.24) vs Flaherty (8-8, 4.73)
Thu 24 August - Berrios (9-8, 3.39) vs Kremer (11-5, 4.50)
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ae_scott - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 01:34 PM EDT (#434810) #
Can we please get a new scouting report on this guy?

I'm at the point now where I find Mouncastle's ownage of the Jays grimly hilarious. It got me thinking - is there another example of an otherwise mediocre player completely dominating a particular franchise?

electric carrot - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 01:38 PM EDT (#434811) #
Can we please get a new scouting report on this guy?

Folks, be on the lookout for a man in a white coat when Mountcastle bats.
GabrielSyme - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#434813) #
In the Cincinnati thread, hypobole noted Casey Lawrence pitched for St. Louis against Pittsburgh - a game that also saw Jays draftees Josh Palacios and Vinny Capra play. Lawrence makes by my count 56 Jays signees to play in the majors this year, a pretty strong number, even if a tonne of them are relievers. At least it suggests the Jays amateur scouting and professional development haven't been that bad over the last decade or so.
electric carrot - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#434814) #
I think it's an interesting question who is our best starting pitcher right now. It's kind of crazy how close it is and I think there's a case for nearly any ranking order. For me the Quality Start stat is really important. I think your best pitcher has to have a high percentage of games where he gets the team deep into the game and keeps them close for at least 6 innings.

So my rank at the moment is:
Gausman
Bassitt
Berrios
Kikuchi
Ryu



uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#434815) #
We finally stood up to Boston last time and stopped being wilting flowers.

Baltimore is a much better team than them, of course, but it's high time we stood up to them anyways. They are not a better team than the jays. This is the time. We have our best/hottest 3 SP going and are mostly healthy.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#434816) #
This series is going to be an emotional rollercoaster for Jays fans. Elation if the team wins, dejection if they lose.

ESPN analytics give the Jays a 49.6% chance of winning tonight’s game. The two teams are well-matched.
Leaside Cowboy - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#434817) #
Yusei Kikuchi dominates A.L. east opponents.
SK in NJ - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#434818) #
I think the best thing to happen to the Jays playoff chances is the Rangers sliding. Not only do the Rangers have a tougher schedule down the stretch than all of TOR/SEA/HOU, but they also have a 4 game series at Rogers Centre in September. Right now they are 3 up on the Jays.

Either way, all of this is pointless if the Jays don't hold up their end and start going on a run. Winning this series in Baltimore would be a good start.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#434820) #
Vlad is good to go. in the lineup.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#434821) #
Full Lineup. Best Starters on the mound. Bullpen rested.

No excuses now.

Green the only guy missing.
John Northey - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#434822) #
DeJong signed with the Giants to a ML contract to fill in for their injured SS Brandon Crawford who last played on the 18th. with a left forearm strain. Crawford has a 60 OPS+ this year so DeJong isn't that big a downgrade for them vs what he was here, and if he gets back to his 2019 and earlier level he would be a big upgrade. Still makes sense the Jays dumped him.
ISLAND BOY - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#434823) #
Former Jay Josh Palacios had a home run, double and 5 RBI's for the Pirates last night. Overall for the season he's batting .220 and has a -0.4 WAR. He wouldn't be getting a chance in the majors except with a team like the Pirates.
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#434824) #
I was asked about the full convo from Dan and Buck on Sunday regarding Manoah. I found it fairly easily last night. They were talking about Ryu's velo being down 1.5-2 mph... and then brought up Manoah.

Dan: "Schneider said Manoah is not yet with the Bisons. He's still in Toronto and they're trying to decide what the next step is... The issue is, if he's your number six guy - if anything were to happen, if a pitcher takes a comebacker off the knee and you need a guy, you know, presumably he would have been the guy they called back to fill in... and as of yesterday it didn't sound like a firm date had been set yet for Manoah to make his first start for the Bisons."

Buck: "It's unfortunate he hasn't pitched since the 10th of August... and you're right... if they needed a guy it would have been Alek Manoah but it can't be him because he's not pitching and it's unfortunate that he hasn't made the move to go to Buffalo or wherever they decide to send him."

Dan (grimly): "Right."

Buck (not sounding impressed): "It seems to be a little disappointing at this point."
John Northey - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#434825) #
Just looking at the Jays site and it caught me offguard to see the Jays 5-6-7-8 hitters all have 15 home runs each. Springer-Varsho-Chapman-Jansen. The only guy in the 9 man lineup without 11+ is Kiermaier in the 9th slot with 6. Biggio is next at 8, and Kirk has 6 just like KK. I expect Biggio to reach 10 before years end, but Kirk and KK are less likely unless Kirk gets on a tear (he is overdue).

FYI: Jays have had 9 guys with 10+ HR 8 times, twice 10+ guys with it (2018-2019). 2019 is the record at 13 (!). I was surprised to see that 2019's leader was Grichuk at 31 - current Jays on that team with 10+ were Biggio, Vlad, Jansen, Bo.

20+ HR is 7 as a record (2000, 2010, 2021) but right now we have 0 of them this year with 15+ by 6 guys (hard to see the guys sub 15 reaching 20 at this point, but it could happen if Belt gets on a tear, I wouldn't bet on Merrifield getting 9 more though).
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#434827) #
It feels like one key to this series will be putting pressure on the O’s SPs early (and scoring). You don’t want to let pitchers like Rodriguez and Flaherty get into a rhythm with relatively low pitch counts.
Petey Baseball - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 06:17 PM EDT (#434828) #
Yep, agreed ugly. Now is the time to turn it up a notch. There are no excuses, they either prove they are the 90-95 win team we all thought they were or they will not make it. The teams they are competing against are just too good.

The Mariners seemed like they were playing above their heads with Julio struggling, but with him now playing at an elite level the last couple weeks, this is close to what the Seattle is.

hypobole - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 06:23 PM EDT (#434829) #
Well, the Jays better change their evil ways. Only the Mets have scored fewer 1st inning runs.
scottt - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 06:44 PM EDT (#434830) #
To me, it's less about in which inning to score than about having a plan at the plate.
I see guys take a first pitch fastball down the middle, swing at a breaking ball off the plate and then make an out on a borderline pitch.

Rodriguez throws 47% fastball, 17% slider, 8% cutter, 21% change.
That's a mix that advantages a lefty hitter, but regardless, they should always be ready to hit the fastball.

Incidentally, the Orioles are using a 6-man rotation at the moment.

greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#434831) #
Guerrero GIDP with RISP is becoming a cliche
Leaside Cowboy - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#434832) #
Well, the Jays better change their evil ways . . . and double-plays.  Yes, clichés!
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#434833) #
The real Varsho is finally here i think. Just in time.
electric carrot - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#434834) #
Checking into BattersBox for the inVLADidator comments after his double play. Wasn't disappointed.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#434835) #
That catch by springer is one of those good-but-not-great plays that can make all the difference in a tight game.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#434837) #
What a clutch hit by Kiermaier. Drilled it.
hypobole - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#434838) #
Well, the Jays better change their evil ways . . . and double-plays. Yes, clichés!

:)
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#434839) #
Clutch hits from the bottom of the order should have been oir strength all year long.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#434840) #
Solid job by the offense through 5IP. They scored early, added a third run, and made Rodriguez throw 79 pitches.

Some add-on runs would be nice over the next four frames.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#434841) #
That statcast cumulative pitch graphic is the coolest sports graphic i have ever seen.
Mike Green - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#434842) #
I would have left Kikuchi in to face Westburg. 
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#434843) #
Ah shit Schneider i woulda left him in. He's pitching his ass off. Dont f this up yimi.
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#434844) #
I can't stand when they bring Yimi into these situations...
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:42 PM EDT (#434845) #
Our manager ain't good.
Eephus - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#434846) #
Yeeeeeah.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#434847) #
Bring back Gibby.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#434848) #
Tough luck there for Yimi, that was a good pitch. 98 a couple inches inside off the plate
Magpie - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#434849) #
I didn't mind the hook - Kikuchi had to work awfully hard for those 4.2 innings. But not the chosen reliever because the Orioles have utterly abused Garcia ever since he came to Toronto.
Mike Green - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#434850) #
Very poor challenge.  What were they thinking?
Eephus - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#434851) #
Dumb challenge too. There’s a base open for crying out loud
dalimon5 - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:46 PM EDT (#434852) #
This manager is exhausting.
dalimon5 - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#434853) #
Like I said, exhausting. At least it helps take some heat off Vladdy.
ISLAND BOY - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 08:56 PM EDT (#434854) #
It seems like Vlad ha become a singles hitter. I couldn't remember the last time he hit one so I looked it up and it was August 4 in Boston.

Naturally I'm saying this so he'll hit one the next time he's up. :)
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#434856) #
I dunno whats gonna happen but if they lose im blaming the manager and its far from the first time this year.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 09:26 PM EDT (#434857) #
Better cash a run here.
99BlueJaysWay - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#434858) #
Danny hit it hard, but right at Westburg
Marc Hulet - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#434859) #
This game.is looking awfully familiar...
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#434860) #
Strong inning from Swanson.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#434861) #
Team trying so damn hard to save their manager.
greenfrog - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#434862) #
Bichette and Belt. Killer B’s (2023 version)
Mike Green - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#434863) #
"Chapman stays alive"

Ohh baby I love your way.
uglyone - Tuesday, August 22 2023 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#434864) #
Nice nice.

1 more win is necessary.

2 more is what we need.
Leaside Cowboy - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 07:58 AM EDT (#434865) #
Killer C B G Bees.
bpoz - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:53 AM EDT (#434866) #
Being in a playoff race will provide revenue to please ownership. This means 2023 is a successful year.

In the playoffs many ordinary players will be incredible. For example S Pearce in 2018 for Boston.

In 1991 & 1992 the Jays promoted Guzman, Hentgen and Timlin. Maybe Sprague too. All highly regarded prospects. So a great playoff competitor can add rookies. I expect this to happen if/when our good prospects have developed sufficiently. Maybe 2024 hopefully.
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#434868) #
FG's August leaderboard has Belt's 213 wRC+ as 4th best of 178 players, one spot ahead of Seattle's JRod. Also top 10 is Mountcastle, helped by that early August series vs the Jays. But even since then he's been their best regular at 139 wRC+. Great job by our pitchers shutting him down last night.

2nd best August Jay has been Varsho, 152 wRC+, a couple of spots ahead of some guy named Ohtani. Great to see a couple of guys who have had their share of maligning this year coming up big when the team really needs it.


On the maligned front, Bo's defence has been there since he arrived. Not mentioned last night was that great diving stop and desperation strike he threw Vlad in the 9th. May well have been a game saver.

Finally, a little known fact. Yimi translates to English as "a feeling of impending dread or doom".
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#434870) #
I think the jays should consider bumping Merrifield back down the lineup. He's losing a little steam. I'd just bump the top of the order up one slot and bring Whit back down to the 5th or 6th slot.
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#434871) #
I'd even go a bit further and give Biggio a few more starts at 2nd in place of Merrifield when both Varsho and KK are playing. And please Danny, stay healthy. Kirk's bat has crawled into the weeds and died.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 11:18 AM EDT (#434873) #
Varsho is up to 3 bWAR for the season with his subpar offensive performance outweighed by his other attributes. fWAR has it differently with his other attributes only offsetting his subpar offensive performance at 1.7 fWAR to date. For the uninitated, 2 WAR over a season is league average.

His BABIP is quite low despite his obvious bunting proficiency. He's had a bit of offensive bad luck.
scottt - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 11:34 AM EDT (#434874) #
I don't think Bichette wants to lead.
If nothing else, Merrifield sees a few pitches.

Guerrero went  3 for 5 by going after the first pitches which were all over the plate.

Jansen missed on 2 throws to second base. That probably cost Kikuchi the 5th inning.
That inside slider to a RHB might not be such a great pitch.
Too much of the plate and it can be hit. Too low and it may be a passed ball. Too far in and it's a hit batter.

I think they sat Biggio because the starter throws 98mph.
That's the best time to use KK.
Thursday is a night game.

Bautista only threw 9 pitches. I think it's a different game if he comes back in the 10th and the Orioles have the top of the lineup in the 11th.

Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#434876) #
I was thinking the same thing last night. He looks like he might be a little tired/banged up. Would love to see Schneider actually play Schneider semi-regularly... He sees lots of pitches, generally, and could benefit from hitting in front of Bichette.
99BlueJaysWay - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#434877) #
Flaherty has been scratched. Kremer in
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 12:16 PM EDT (#434878) #
Don't know about luck, but one thing that has killed Varsho are all those lazy opposite field fly balls I've seen him hit. Can't find his BA/wRC+ vs League average for fly balls by oppo/pull only, but there's this

Varsho vs League Average

Pull: .360/190 wRC+ vs .346/168 wRC+
Centre: .256/66 wRC+ vs.331/120 wRC+
Opposite: .219/29 wRC+ vs .317/109 wRC+

So excellent when he pulls, really bad up the middle and horrific to the opposite field.

Mike Green - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 12:18 PM EDT (#434879) #
Schneider as a leadoff hitter? Unconventional, but very interesting.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#434880) #
Varsho unfortunately has generally been a low babip guy in the bigs so i'm not sure we should expect a ton of regression there.

That 1.7fwar for him is a full season pace of around 2.5, which is something from a guy with an 85wrc+.

He gets that up to a 90wrc+ and he's probably at a 3war pace.

Get it back up to league average around 100 and he's probably back on the 4+ war pace of the previous 2yrs.
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 12:53 PM EDT (#434881) #
When do the Jays have to make a decision on Chad Green?

Watched him last night. Gave up up a triple on a 94 mph FB up in the zone to Mauricio leading off. Hung a slider to the next batter, Brett Baty that was clubbed for a HR. Got the next 2 outs, but then was pulled after 16 pitches.

One item of interest. I've only seen him throw FB's and sliders(slurves?) before yesterday, but he threw 3 cutters to the last 2 batters. Called strike, swinging strike and a rolled over GB for his final pitch. Hasn't thrown one in the majors since 2017.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 01:03 PM EDT (#434882) #
The problem with Green is that he'd likely come at the expense of Francis, who is valuable because he can go 3+ innings. To me, Yimi *should* be the next arm out. Unless they're going to try and wait until Sept. 1 to bring Green up...

The other issue with Francis is that he's been optioned too many times now in 2023. He can only be sent back down to the minors one more time without having to be sent through waivers. (Even though he'll have another milb option available next year).
Cracka - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#434883) #
Green can stay on rehab assignment until Sept. 15th - his 30-day rehab clock was reset after his concussion, which he returned from on Aug. 16th. At this point, barring another injury, I expect that he'll be the extra pitcher added on Sept. 1st when rosters expand.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 01:25 PM EDT (#434884) #
September's only a week away....
92-93 - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#434885) #
Since being removed from/being promoted to the #1 spot (July 28th):

Springer .256/.322/.397 88 PA
Merrifield .277/.291/.436 103 PA

Biggio .238/.360/.333 50 PA

Lefties hit Kremer significantly better than righties, so it's a good day to rest Merrifield if Kiermaier is good to go.
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#434888) #
ZIPS article about the Yankees at FG. One thing both caught my eye and puzzled me.

"On the offensive side of the equation, only five players under contract project at 1.5 WAR or more in 2024...By comparison, the Red Sox have seven, the Orioles and Rays have eight, and the Blue Jays have an absurd 13, enough that they won’t have enough playing time for everyone."

The 5 Yankees projections he shows are different from the preseason ones on the player pages so are updates. The question I have is, who are these 13 Blue Jays?
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#434891) #
Under Contract? My guess:

* 1. Bichette
* 2. Gausman
* 3. Guerrero
* 4. Varsho
* 5. Berrios
* 6. Springer
* 7. Bassitt
* 8. Manoah
* 9. Kikuchi
* 10. Jansen
* 11. Kirk
* 12. Romano
* 13. Merrifield maybe if they're considering his option as "under contract".

now i'll run over to FG and see if I can make a better guess based on this year's Rest of Season projections...
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#434892) #
Mike Baumann is the only Orioles reliever in history to win his 1st nine decisions. Yesterday Brandon Belt and the Jays put an end to that streak. Today he's on his way to AAA.
92-93 - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#434893) #
The 13 doesn't include pitchers, so...

Bichette
Vladdy
Varsho
Springer
Jansen
Kirk

Biggio
Espinal
Schneider
Barger
Orelvis
Horwitz
Jimenez
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#434894) #
uglyone, offensive side is what Dan said
Leaside Cowboy - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#434895) #
Tonight's weather in Baltimore will be 30 ° C / 86 ° F and cloudy.
Tomorrow's forecast 27 ° C / 81 ° F with 25 % chance of thunder-storms.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 02:58 PM EDT (#434896) #
You can pretty much make a decent club from the 13 position players projected to be 1.5 WAR plus. Jansen/Kirk catching, Horwitz at first, Biggio/Espinal at second, Bichette at short, Barger/Orelvis at third. Schneider, Varsho and Springer in the outfield and Vlad DHing. Jimenez is first up. It would be nice to have Merrifield or Kiermaier around.

It's useful to conduct the exercise to see what you really need to do to improve the club significantly.(you need one or two more good players rather than average ones)
92-93 - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#434897) #
It would be even nicer having Bellinger around.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#434898) #
If i look at the Zips rest of season projections on fangraphs and project those out for a full 650pa....

* 1. Bichette 4.0
* 2. Kirk 3.8
* 3. Jansen 3.7
* 4. Springer 3.6
* 5. Varsho 3.2
* 6. Schneider 3.2
* 7. Guerrero 2.6
* 8. Merrifield 2.0

* 9. Heineman 1.9*
* 10. Biggio 1.6*
* 11. Espinal 1.5*

The last 3 might not actually project that high - all depends on how much rounding was needed to get up to their 0.2 and 0.1 projected rest of season WAR. And given that I don't think any of these guys would actually get projected for near 650pa, then I'm really not seeing them crack a 1.5 projection for next year....but i could be wrong.

Then looking at his preseason projections all these minor leaguers had nice pro-rated projections coming into this season:

* 12. Barger 3.1
* 13. Orelvis 2.6
* 14. Palmegiani 2.5
* 15. Jimenez 2.2
* 16. Clement 2.0
* 17. Morris 1.8
* 18. Horwitz 1.6

Some of those guys have probably lowered their projections for next season but some have probably raised them. Obviously none of them would be projected for full seasons of games but some of them would be projected for enough PA to crack 1.5.



Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#434900) #
To me, this would be a reasonable 2024 roster pending a couple veteran adds and improved SP depth at AAA. It's not a robust FA market and the Jays don't have a lot of trade chips esp without creating other holes.

Kevin Gausman
Jose Berrios
Chris Bassitt
Yusei Kikuchi
Manoah?

Jordan Romano
Erik Swanson
Chad Green
Tim Mayza
Trevor Richards
Genesis Cabrera
Yimi Garcia (or trade him)
Optionable RPs

Danny Jansen
Vladimir Guerrero Jr.
Ernie Clement (and others below)
Addison Barger (and others below)
Bo Bichette
Spencer Horwitz
LF
Daulton Varsho
George Springer

Alejandro Kirk
Davis Schneider
Cavan Biggio
BU CF

With AAA depth:
Bowden Francis
Nate Pearson
Zac Pop
Yosver Zulueta
Hagen Danner
Connor Cooke
Tyler Heineman
Orelvis Martinez
Leo Jimenez
Alan Roden
Nathan Lukes
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#434901) #
The White Sox are ahead of Seattle 1-0 in the fifth inning. Would be a pleasant surprise if Chicago wins that game.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#434902) #
Of course, 92-93. It was a baseline, and as I said, it makes clear that they need a couple of actual good players. Bellinger qualifies!
John Northey - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#434903) #
Rotation I agree with (Gausman-Berrios-Bassitt-Kikuchi-Manoah), pen seems right (Romano-Swanson-Green-Mayza-Richards-Cabrera-Garcia seem locked in, with Francis-Pearson-Pop-etc fighting for the last slot all have options left after 2023).

Lineup?
C: Jansen-Kirk obviously, sign AAAA guys for AAA backups
1B: Vlad
2B: Biggio/Espinal - like it or not they will be there, with Schneider having a shot at taking Espinal's slot or the job entirely.
3B: kids - Barger-Orelvis Martinez-etc.
SS: Bo
LF: Kids/free agent (Barger & Schneider if not in the infield)
CF: Varsho
RF: Springer
DH: Horwitz plus whoever is on the bench

I fully expect another impact signing as the Jays have made that a tradition lately especially with over $50 mil coming off the books. They might not as there aren't a lot of impact players outside of starting pitchers though unless they go nuts on Ohtani (sadly I suspect he wants to stay on the west coast, but at least the contender plus west coast will keep him away from NY). Cody Bellinger is a possibility as the Jays have chased him for a few years now but can't seem to land him. A CF who has played RF/1B/LF/DH in the past with a 143 OPS+ this year for the Cubs at age 27. He'd be expensive, but his poor 2021/22 (66 OPS+ net over 900 PA) will cut his price. Put him in LF and you'd keep the strong defense but upgrade the offense. Let the kids fight for 3B/2B playing time. Ideally resign Merrifield around $10-15 mil for 2-3 years to cover 4th OF/2B duties and maybe trade Espinal for minor prospects, let Lopez take over the main utility slot, sign a few AAAA types who are pure defense SS's to backup Bo. I wouldn't be shocked to see Belt resigned too ($10-15 on a 1 year deal).
John Northey - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#434904) #
Btw, I'd be quite surprised if Chapman is back in 2024 as I expect him to get a 5 year $100+ deal and I don't see the Jays offering that. He is a great player but the signs are there that he will start slowing down and his value could drop fast. A 2-3 year deal would be smart, but for him a 5 year makes tons of sense to chase down and someone will give him it. Yankees are desperate and I expect them to do some dumb contracts this winter. If they lose today it'll be their longest losing streak since before Ruth played professionally - 1913.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:55 PM EDT (#434905) #
To me, Yimi *should* be the next arm out.

Since about the beginning of June, Garcia has actually been one of the team's most effective relievers (despite the continuing existence of the Baltimore Orioles who think he's just another guy throwing BP.)

Garcia was pretty bad in April and May and the one thing I noticed at the time was that his fastball seemed to be a lot harder than it had been in 2022. Maybe he spent the off-season eating his Wheaties. And more velocity often means less movement and less command. But he's definitely figured it out since.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#434906) #
You figure we could bring Ryu back for fairly cheap.

greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#434907) #
3-0 White Sox, now T7
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#434908) #
Kirk in for Jansen the only change to the lineup.

And I hope we have the 'A' Lineup next game too.

Plenty of games against weaker opponents left to get guys rest. this series is too big to F around with imo.
92-93 - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#434909) #
Chapman is 1/15 against Kremer (3:5 BB:K), and Merrifield is 3/16 (0:1). Espinal is 5/7 (2:0). Schneider is ignoring the batter-pitcher stats and splits and fielding his A-team tonight.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#434910) #
Baltimore has its A lineup in there. Santander back and Henderson at shortstop with O'Hearn playing first base and Mountcastle DHing.

Gausman will need to bring his A game. Let's go.
Gerry - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#434912) #
Yesterday was the first time a Jays lead off hitter hit a two run home run.
Gerry - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#434913) #
Paul De Jong just hit a two run home run for the Giants.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#434914) #
Seattle and Chicago are tied 4-4 after nine innings.
Joe - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#434915) #
uglyone, literally every fanbase thinks their manager is terrible, and every study has always shown it pretty much doesn't matter: on-the-field decisions have very little impact on the outcome of games. (Of course, there's a lot behind the scenes that probably matters, but you can't measure that.)

Just like clutch hitting isn't a repeatable skill, managers aren't winning or losing their teams games, the players are.

Leaside Cowboy - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:20 PM EDT (#434916) #
Bottom of the 10th, Go-Go White Sox!
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#434917) #
5-4 White Sox over Seattle (final score)
hypobole - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#434918) #
Crazy end to the Seattle game. Anderson at 2nd to start the inning stole 3rd on the relievers 2nd pitch of the inning, then scored on Crawford's throwing error.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#434919) #
Yeah, and Julio Rodriguez made the last out for Seattle T10 with the bases loaded.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#434920) #
And the reliever who got Rodriguez, Sammy Peralta, is a LHP who entered the game with a total of 4.1 IP in the majors.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#434923) #
Thanks for the links Joe and i'm familiar with the studies. Those studies don't really prove what they want to prove tho. And they deal mostly with tactics decisions, which i don't really get upset about much.

As you say - it's the players that decide the games. And that's for me the manager's only important job - playing the right players at the right time. And it's the only thing i'll ever complain about when it comes to managing - his decisions on which players play and when.



uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#434924) #
Heh @ dejong.
bpoz - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 06:00 PM EDT (#434926) #
I too don't know how the 2024 team will be constructed. $50-60 mil off the books. Teams generally need 8 SPs. Manoah is probably 1 of the 5. I don't expect him to fall off the cliff. I do expect drama and would not be shocked if he accepts a long term deal unless he is a Boras client. Kikuchi may accept a short extension like instead of $10mil next year, he takes 2 years at about $15mil which means that he turned $10mil into $30mil.

Our #6,7 & 8 SP could be B Francis, M White or Z Thompson if they are still with us. I don't know if any prospects can help. Tiedemann may not be able to handle many innings.

With a 5 man rotation set for Opening day if healthy I don't think anyone good would sign to become #6. Of course I could be wrong.
Marc Hulet - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 06:16 PM EDT (#434928) #
Mitch White and Zach Thompson will both be MiLB free agents if not added back to the 40-man. I expect both will be gone.
Magpie - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#434930) #
And that's for me the manager's only important job - playing the right players at the right time.

I don't think it's the only important one, although it may indeed be the most important. But there really is an element of establishing a team culture, a way of doing things and competing, that the manager needs to take ownership of. I think what's happened to the White Sox over the last couple of years demonstrates what can happen when that goes by the wayside.
Leaside Cowboy - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#434931) #
Dusty Baker is the standard-bearer field-manager.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#434932) #
Dejong

* w/TOR: 44pa, 3ht, 0xbh
* w/SFG: 5pa, 3ht, 1hr
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#434933) #
Escape artist.
Leaside Cowboy - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:01 PM EDT (#434934) #
Aaron Judge hits a 431 ft. solo homer in the 1st, then a 437 ft. grand slam in the 2nd.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#434935) #
Kremer isn’t an elite pitcher, but he seems to really stymie the Jays.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#434936) #
Would rather have seen Chapman try to steal (and possibly get thrown out) than wait for Kirk to hit into the high-probability DP.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:31 PM EDT (#434937) #
I don't know why one wouldn't start Chapman with Kirk at the plate and Kremer pitching.  The risk of a GIDP is obviously quite a bit higher than a CS.
christaylor - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#434938) #
I'd love for Kirk to sacrifice contact for more swing and miss.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:35 PM EDT (#434939) #
Also: maybe Kirk needs to learn how to drop down a bunt. This is a high-stakes 1-0 game. He needs to be able to do something productive in that situation.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#434940) #
this happens so often after the manager yanks a starter early like he did last night - now Gausman is going to be in tough to go 6 with his pitch count over 90 already, and now a bullpen that threw 5.1ip last night is going to have to be great again tonight for a bunch of innings agaion tonight. And then we head into game 3 with a tired bullpen.
Mike Green - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#434942) #
The defence didn't do Gausman any favours either. 
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#434943) #
While I don’t necessarily disagree, the bullpen is fairly rested. The key arms didn’t pitch on Sunday, and Monday was an off day.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#434944) #
Guerrero no longer seems like a dangerous hitter.
Eephus - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 08:57 PM EDT (#434945) #
Nice. Now, for the love of all that may or may not be holy… score this magnificent long haired dude some runs all freaking already…
Eephus - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#434946) #
It seems they didn’t hear me. Sigh. This team never does…
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#434947) #
now would be a great time to start disrupting this Cano-Bautista building mystique. shake their confidence a bit - i'm not sold they're as good as they've been so far.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:27 PM EDT (#434948) #
Bullpen should be fresh for tomorrow: Romano, Swanson, Hicks, Mayza

Let’s hope Berrios brings his A game.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:28 PM EDT (#434949) #
and now you gotta leave Richards in even as he puts the game out of reach.
Eephus - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#434950) #
And good night, sweet B.

Jano’s throws have been unfortunately not sharp this series.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#434951) #
Game was pretty much out of reach at 3-0.

Number of times Bautista has allowed more than one earned run this season: 1

uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#434952) #
and Richards gives Bautista the day of rest he needs to be aviailable for the rubber game tommorrow.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#434953) #
Well, the offense had better do its job in innings 1-8 tomorrow then.

Maybe the mystique is coming off Richards.
uglyone - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#434954) #
and that's how you go from a 100% fully rested bullpen yesterday to being forced to keep in a middle reliever getting shelled the very next day.

that quick.
Eephus - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#434955) #
This is fun.
greenfrog - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#434956) #
Turn the page, chase down a win tomorrow.
Eephus - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#434957) #
Naturally, one of the worst pitchers in baseball strikes out the heart of our order to finish the game. This stupid, stupid team man…. I’ll have more fun tomorrow night playing for my 3-13 slo-pitch squad.

It’s deep into hate-watch territory for me at this point and I’ve seen maybe 1/4 of the games! And still. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if they somehow win tomorrow because who the frig knows with this offence anymore.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 11:22 PM EDT (#434958) #
Last year it was "this line up is not balanced."

This year there is no excuse. I fully expect whoever the GM is this off season to move major pieces to change this offense. I don't know how you improve this offence but they will surely do something with the huge increase in ticket prices coming. I fully expect then to find a better middle of the order bat than Vlad but I don't think this is what ails this team. Too many below average hitters this year as someone posted earlier.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, August 23 2023 @ 11:29 PM EDT (#434959) #
Oh yeah and don't forget about an Alek Manoah trade request this off season.
vw_fan17 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 12:55 AM EDT (#434960) #
Some very bone-headed moves this game.

-Springer, coming up with Kremer having already thrown THIRTY pitches in the 1st, swings at the first pitch. Why not take at least one? Or two? If you can get him to 35 and draw a walk, the manager has to SERIOUSLY think about taking him out. Nope, we let him off the hook and he went 6.

-Kirk hitting a borderline 2-0 pitch for a GIDP. FFS, Alejandro. Learn some situational hitting. Take a pitch or two.

Is it just me, or was Gausmann's splitter not "splitting" as much today? I just kind of quickly jumped through the game, not watching every pitch, but I didn't really see his splitter "DROP 6 inches straight down" like it has in the past - more like 2 inches down, 2 inches to the right - often outside the zone and the batter was able to lay off.
vw_fan17 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 01:23 AM EDT (#434961) #
Just saw the headlines (no details yet) at MLBTR:
-Ohtani has a UCL tear, done pitching for the season. May need surgery. Not sure if he can still hit.

-Trout going back on the IL a day or two after coming off of it.

I mean, wow, it just keeps getting worse for the Angels. I don't know exactly when Trout was last off the IL, but imagine if they had unloaded Ohtani and Trout at the trade deadline. They could have probably sent Rendon along with one of them, and gotten a king's ransom for the other one. Almost $60M off the books ($100M+ if Ohtani is resigned for $40M+ as seems obvious). You can sign 3-4 good free agents for $100M - say Ryu and another good starter plus a great relief pitcher and Chapman. 2-3 top prospects back in the other trade, and the rebuild is half done.. I'm not saying Chapman replaces Rendon at his best, but he's pretty dependable and rarely hurt. 
And yeah, definitely a bit of exaggeration, but not out of the realm of possibility, I would say. Pretty sure someone like the Yankees would do Trout + Rendon for Hicks or something.. The Angels could just DFA Hicks.. Ohtani would have netted at least 2, maybe 3 top prospects at the trade deadline, I would think? Take one of those and include it in the Trout + Rendon swap?
ISLAND BOY - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 05:46 AM EDT (#434962) #
I don't think any team would be stupid enough to take Rendon and Trout together except maybe the Angels themselves. Rendon is owed 38 million per year for the next 3 years, is 33 years old and has averaged 50 games played in the 4 years he has been with LA while contributing little with the bat, Trout is still a great player but is starting to get injured more frequently and is owed 37 million a year for the next 7 years. Tying up 75 million per year for the next three years on two players in their thirties? I think even the Yankees are starting to realize this is a bad idea.
Leaside Cowboy - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 08:02 AM EDT (#434963) #
an Alek Manoah trade request this off season.

It might be in the best interests of both the player and the club, despite the challenge of re-couping full value in a sell-low scenario.

Leaside Cowboy - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 08:13 AM EDT (#434964) #
even the Yankees are starting to realize this is a bad idea.

The Mets would make that deal.

greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 08:45 AM EDT (#434965) #
Gausman tells it like it is:

"We're just waiting for that big stretch. We've kind of been waiting for it all year. Is it going to happen? I don't know. I hope it does. I hope it starts tomorrow, but we can't keep sitting back and waiting on that. We've got to go now and we need a little bit more sense of urgency."
Petey Baseball - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#434966) #
Shut out for the thirteenth time this season. That is..not optimal.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:00 AM EDT (#434967) #
It's actually just their 8th shutout. But they've all been since June 19th.
lexomatic - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#434968) #
Blue jays say hi
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-lobster-in-every-pot/

TLDR random (bad) luck.
Glevin - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:18 AM EDT (#434969) #
It's easy for me to blame the front office for a few things (I don't like the managers/coaches they've hired very much) but mostly, they've done a good job. There are a number of smaller issues, but the big issue as I've mentioned before is really just Vlad. In 2021, Vlad had 6.5 WAR leading the league in OBP and SLG at just 21 years old. This is someone you have to build around, a generational talent. To have someone like Kirk disappoint, you can live with that. It's not ideal but players have up and down years. To have someone who had a 165 WRC+ turn into a replacement level player. You just can't foresee that sort of thing. The front office can't hold back and say "we won't go all in because maybe our young superstar might go backwards?" This is the most I've ever been frustrated by a player in my 35+ years of fandom.

Since June 1st, Vlad is a 0 WAR player. That's 301 PAs where he is bringing 0 value. It's not just that he doesn't look like a dangerous hitter right now, he barely looks like a major leaguer. I thought the team may have taken Vlad being banged up as an opportunity to put him on the IL and get him on a rehab assignment so he can get his swing/mojo/confidence back.
dalimon5 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:54 AM EDT (#434970) #
I was always concerned about Vlad's one dimensionality as a player even when he was tearing the cover off the ball. I do think we can look to the FO and say that they didn't accurately take into account the Dunedin and Buffalo park splits.
dalimon5 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:57 AM EDT (#434971) #
"We're just waiting for that big stretch. We've kind of been waiting for it all year. Is it going to happen? I don't know. I hope it does. I hope it starts tomorrow, but we can't keep sitting back and waiting on that. We've got to go now and we need a little bit more sense of urgency."

Reminds me of last year when players started showing frustrations with Montoyo. Is Cito Gaston the last manager we had with managerial experience?
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#434972) #
When I read the Gausman quote I thought of when the score was 1-0 O's and Chapman was glued to first base while Kirk grounded into a DP on a 2-0 count.
uglyone - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 11:40 AM EDT (#434973) #
Well they better win the series at least.
Spifficus - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#434974) #
Gibbons had previous managerial experience in the same way Cito did - a prior stint with the team.
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#434975) #
Jays OPS stats against Kyle Gibson:

Jansen 1500
Varsho 1189
Kirk 1100
Belt 1083
VGJ 871
KK 671
Bo 545
Whit 521
Biggio 500
Chapman 482
Springer 431

As a group, those batters (plus Espinal 0/1) have hit 262/317/372 against him. In other words, he’s been very tough on the Jays.
scottt - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 12:50 PM EDT (#434977) #
Gausman hasn't had much run support all year.
2 errors didn't help.

It looks to me like Kirk is sacrificing bat speed in order to make contact.
Bautista talked about "finishing his swing".
If he's swinging 2-0, he should be swinging for the fence.

They are not hitting enough home runs.
They also are not doing anything to score runs without the long balls.
Steal bases, hit and run, sac flies, etc.
Waiting is an apt description.

Leaside Cowboy - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#434978) #
This club needs a field-manager like the late Don Baylor.
Paul D - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 02:09 PM EDT (#434979) #
I think the Jays have only ever hired one manager with experience managing a team who wasn't the Jays (Jim Fregosi)
hypobole - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#434980) #
Vlad has finally surpassed Kyle Schwarber to sit atop the FG leaderboard for most negative defensive value this season.

To be fair, Vlad has played more innings so he's not the worst on a rate basis. That makes a big difference.
Gerry - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 02:47 PM EDT (#434982) #
Manoah is about to report to AAA.
85bluejay - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#434983) #
Interesting to read that the great Josh Donaldson whom many had wanted the Jays to extend and wanted him back later apparently was regarded as a toxic element in both Minnesota and New York - I'm shocked!
92-93 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#434984) #
Nicholson-Smith: "Per sources, Manoah is slated to join the #BlueJays’ triple-A affiliate in Syracuse today after undergoing a wide range of medical tests in Toronto over the last couple weeks. With no major structural issues, he's now preparing to build back up."

If there were any issues between the club and a player regarding his demotion, a good way to cover it up would be to pretend he was undergoing medical testing the entire time.
uglyone - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#434985) #
so toxic he led us to the playoffs in back to back seasons.
Marc Hulet - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#434986) #
Yeah I've never known baseball exams to take that long. Heck, they diagnosed Ohtani in less than 24 hours and his issue was more complicated than "let himself go and came into camp vastly out of shape and unprepared."

Looking at the scoreboard today and yesterday, the Jays likely need to start worrying about Boston and play with that urgency everyone is talking about.
85bluejay - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#434988) #
Vlad must be thinking - playoffs or Grandma's cooking?
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:23 PM EDT (#434989) #
The AL WC race is a very good one. Three spots available, with five teams (TB, Houston, Seattle, Toronto, Boston) currently in the mix. If Houston pulls ahead in the AL West, then Texas would become the WC contender.

Boston is beating Houston 11-0 at the moment. Colorado and TB are tied 3-3.
uglyone - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#434990) #
medical testing?

hypobole - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#434991) #
Bostons biggest enemy is their schedule. After today they have 24 contender games - 7 O's, 3 Dodgers, 5 Rays, 3 Rangers, 3 Astros, 3 Jays. On the weak side - 3 Royals, 3 White Sox, 4 Yankees and that's it..
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#434993) #
Seems likely TB will obtain a WC spot. Boston seems unlikely to do so (though this can't be ruled out).

That leaves Houston/Texas, Seattle, and Toronto fighting over two spots.
Glevin - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#434994) #
Jays just need to play well and they'll get in. Mariners have an easy stretch but their last 10 games are against Houston and Texas. Rangers play Astros 3 games, Jays 4 games, Red Sox 3 games, and Mariners 6 games.
John Northey - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#434995) #
Houston/Texas/Seattle and Toronto have 3 spots to fight over, the AL West title (one of those 3 will get it) and the 2 WC slots if you assume Tampa has the top one (how can they lose Franco & McClanahan and not lose a step?). So Jays vs 2 AL West teams, one will miss the playoffs. That stretch of easy games is critical and the Yankees going into full rebuild mode should (in theory) help in late September. Jays odds are decent. Boston could slip in and take one of those 2 spots though which would make it tougher.

Poor Angels though - Trout back on the IL and Ohtani no longer a pitcher for at least a year. If I was Ohtani and the Angels had pushed him to pitch despite an injury I'd look at suing them after this offseason - if he was given proper rest to allow his arm to recover he might still be looking at an insane $500-600 million deal. Instead he is an excellent DH who might pitch in year 2 and beyond but with 2 TJ's how many teams would bet on him pitching again, or for long? As a pure hitter his is a 2.5 to 6 WAR player, very valuable but not $500 million. He has played a bit in LF and RF (in 2021) but not much in the field. I suspect he'd be a fine LF if he can't pitch but not in 2024 - he needs to let his pitching arm recover so long throws from the OF would be out of the question.

For the Jays that makes it a lot more tempting to just say 'nah' to the Ohtani dream and re-sign Belt once the season ends if he is open to a reasonable deal.
uglyone - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 03:54 PM EDT (#434997) #
Looks like the Rays win again this aft.

But the Sox are pounding the Astros at least.
hypobole - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#434998) #
Can't believe Jays really had an Ohtani dream. Just Jays fans,
Magpie - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#434999) #
I think the Jays have only ever hired one manager with experience managing a team who wasn't the Jays (Jim Fregosi)

Fregosi and Bobby Cox.
Marc Hulet - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#435000) #
Davis Schneider continues to rot on the bench... You cannot do that and expect them to have success when they're actually needed.
bpoz - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#435001) #
The Jays O is bad. That will need analysis. Who is producing at their level or above/below. A great example is Ray. 2021 Cy Young, a V good 2022 and now injured. The Ray situation is quite common IMO. Except for winning the Cy.

Belt had a career year in 2021 but 2022 was a V bad year for him. He is having one of his better years this year. He has been quite consistent so maybe can can repeat next year. Merrifield is also having one of his better years this year and can probably repeat next year as well.

Vlad and Kirk are a little off this year. They have not fallen off a cliff IMO.

I honestly think that the O provided by Teo and Gurriel has not been replaced.

We are losing a lot of close games that we could win if we scored more runs.

Atkins need to figure this out.
uglyone - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 06:05 PM EDT (#435002) #
"Vlad and Kirk are a little off this year. They have not fallen off a cliff IMO."

Vlad's dropped from being 32% above average to 15% above. Not a cliff but a good fall.

Kirk's dropped from being 29% above to 13% below average. That's a cliff.

"I honestly think that the O provided by Teo and Gurriel has not been replaced."

Teo hit 29% above average last year, Belt is at 34% above average this year.

Gurriel hit 14% above average last year, Kiermaier is at 6%.
dalimon5 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#435003) #
It's pretty simple. Vlad cant be relied upon to be a top 25 offensive player that this team needs to pair with Bo. They will need to find someone else to bring in who can fit that bill or risk wasting Bo's production and amazing pitching staff for next year.

Here are their options the way I see it:

1) sign Ohtani

2) sign Urias and trade one of your other starters as part of a package for a top 25 offensive player

3) trade prospects straight up for said missing player...Juan Soto or Luis Robert Jr or Pete Alonso

4) sign Cody Bellinger
Leaside Cowboy - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#435004) #
Additionally, Manoah could be experiencing psychological effects in the aftermath of the HBP injury to Angels Taylor Ward?
Mike Green - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#435005) #
I was looking at writing up a birthday team, when I came to the birthdays for August 27.  It started out innocently enough with players I remember like Jose Vidro, Jim Thome, Brian McRae and Buddy Bell.  And then the names started at #39- Tommy Butts, Peanuts Lowrey,  Emil Verban, Ewald Pyle, Phil Collins (no Peter Gabriel sorry), Everett Nutter, Kitty Brashear, James McJames and Horace Helmbold.  Top 10 birthday for names, I think.
John Northey - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#435006) #
For all the complaining about Vlad - his 116 wRC+ is 3rd on the team behind Belt & Bo, his K% is lower than all but Espinal & Kirk among guys with 15+ PA on the team. With RISP his 780 OPS is behind Jansen, Merrifield, and Bo (5+ PA), late and close? He is 2nd to Belt with a 856 OPS (6+ PA).

Vlad isn't the problem. Yeah, he could do more but this is as bad as he gets and he is still key to the offense, what there is of it.

This winter I see the Jays making the mandatory kick at the tires with Ohtani ($25-30 mil per year over 10, assuming DH only, with massive bonuses around $10 mil per 50 innings pitched each year or $5 mil per 25 innings up to a max of $30 mil per year). Then getting serious with Bellinger ($150 mil over 5 as an opening bid). It'll all depend on the many US teams that had their local TV rights go kaboom this summer when that major sports network went bankrupt. If they can't get that cash back somehow then teams that have cash like the Jays could go nuts on free agents, plus the Jays won't pay one ounce of attention to pitchers I suspect this winter for the first time in a long time. Can't see a trade for Soto or any other significant player happening (minors too thin right now).
Dewey - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 07:56 PM EDT (#435007) #
Hey Mike, I actually saw Peanuts Lowrey and Emil Verban (a Ronald [Dutch] Reagan favourite from his baseball-announcing days) play for the Cubs in the late 1940’s. Lowrey was a good utility man, looked a bit like Merryfield.

Missed Horace and Ewald and Kitty though, and Mr. Nutter.
SK in NJ - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 08:06 PM EDT (#435008) #
Yes I don't agree with how the team has used Davis Schneider. He hit a game winning HR a few days ago and hasn't seen the field since. He has 5 plate appearances in the last 2 weeks despite a 0.6 WAR and 222 wRC+ in 36 plate appearances. He absolutely deserves to be up with the team, especially given how inept they are offensively, but if he isn't going to play, then I'm not sure what he's doing up.

As far as the off-season, if the Jays don't make the playoffs, then they really need to consider a more significant roster change. I'm not even sure what that would be, but you can't keep trying to prolong a competitive window if it's not really that competitive to begin with (in terms of playoff success).
Chuck - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 08:30 PM EDT (#435010) #
Gibson: 13 pitches, 6 outs.
Marc Hulet - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#435011) #
Apparently sense of urgency means swing at everything, don't take pitches, and let a borderline No. 4 starter look like a cy young candidate...
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#435012) #
From a commenter on an O's blog during this series:

"Toronto has a TON of talent... more then the O's. But we play smarter and harder..."
Magpie - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:11 PM EDT (#435013) #
I enjoyed that lead. Those were five relatively pleasant minutes.
Mike Green - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#435014) #
Varsho is showing his talent. I am expecting him to shine for the rest of the year.  
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#435015) #
It looked like called strikes 2 and 3 to Biggio were both clearly out of the zone. That is frustrating, especially when your team is struggling to score runs.
Glevin - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#435016) #
Jays down 2 runs. No way they can come back from such a massive deficit.
uglyone - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:29 PM EDT (#435017) #
They are just out-nutting us.
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#435018) #
Chapman's popup with runners at second and third in the fourth inning is all the more painful. Also, Vladdy's groundout with the bases loaded and nobody out in the same inning, while it produced a run, feels like a missed opportunity.
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#435019) #
I wonder if Berrios is tipping his pitches. Santander was saying something (under his hand) in the dugout to his teammates after his home run.
Petey Baseball - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#435020) #
Now would be a good time, George.
Chuck - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#435021) #
That’s some Angel Hernandez calibre umping at first base.
Chuck - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#435022) #
Odd game when you see two catchers indefensibly run into outs at third base.
dalimon5 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 09:54 PM EDT (#435023) #
Might be the worst mistake I've ever seen in a Jays game. Horrendous. Manager likely does buck all.
greenfrog - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#435024) #
I’ve stopped watching the game, so I missed that play. Why would Jansen be trying to stretch a double into a triple, down by two runs with one out in T7?
hypobole - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#435025) #
Manager likely does buck all.

What should the manager do?
James W - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#435026) #
What should the manager do?

Bench him for not running hard to first base. But why start now?
dalimon5 - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#435027) #
Most people forget but when Schneider ame in he was supposed to do things Montoyo didn't do like hold players accountable. He even said as much in a post game presser when asked about Teo and Vlad not running out plays last year. I remember Schneider took sat down Maoah and put his arm around him to explain why he shouldn't show up the opposition. This year? Players yelling at him, benching useful players, not benching players that need to be benched once in awhile and NEVER shaking up the line up pther than moving Springer.
hypobole - Thursday, August 24 2023 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#435028) #
Jansen was going to stop as he rounded 2nd, but Mullins dropped the ball away from him. So Jansen took off for 3rd. Mullins unfortunately recovered the ball quickly and threw a perfect strike to 3rd. Beat Jansen by a hair.
John Northey - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 01:08 AM EDT (#435029) #
To me the most frustrating thing is we had a kid come up, tear the cover off the ball and put a spark of life into the team, then just 21 PA since - 118/286/353 (but his OPS is still 1.172), just 1 game in each of the past 3 series before this one and 0 PA in this series where the Jays scored a total of 3 runs over the last 2 games. In that same time frame Mr. No-hit Espinal has 27 PA, and Biggio after a hot streak has 44 PA with some while playing a very poor RF.

I'm sure there is a logic to it all, but damn is it frustrating to watch. And I'm a fan of Biggio's (roboumps can't come soon enough for him - his K in the 5th would've been a walk with roboumps on a 4-1 count instead he watched a 2-2 ball be called a strike).

Well, now it is put up or go home time with a couple of weeks of playing sub-500 teams. First Cleveland who also has lost 2 in a row.
dalimon5 - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 07:17 AM EDT (#435031) #
Jansen ran slowly out of the box and slowed down around first base before speeding up again too late. It was Vlad-esque.
85bluejay - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 07:34 AM EDT (#435032) #
How about them Orioles! young, talented and with a highly regarded farm system - what a terrific rebuild by the excellent FO - if ownership can spend to retain the homegrown talent then the Orioles should be in an excellent position to be the dominant team in the division for the remainder of this decade.
Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 07:46 AM EDT (#435033) #
Mullins' PA was the defining point in the game. Berrios had his A fastball last night, but by the 5th inning had lost just a little off it. Mullins took advantage and fought off pitch after pitch until he got one to drive and he didn't miss it. The Orioles played well this series- matching ability with controlled intensity.
bpoz - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 08:09 AM EDT (#435035) #
After 2019 I did not have much faith in the Jays. But they had success in 2020-2022, if what they did is considered success. Baltimore's record this year suggests 95-100 wins which defines success.
smyttysmullet94 - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 08:57 AM EDT (#435036) #
"if" is doing a lot of work here. Baltimore probably has the worst non-A's ownership in baseball.
smyttysmullet94 - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 09:03 AM EDT (#435037) #
I don't think Jansen makes that boneheaded running error if Gausman doesn't make those public comments. You could almost watch him in real time convince himself after rounding first that maybe he should go for 3. "Do it for Kevin"

For me, there hasn't been a more frustrating Jays season since 2016.
ISLAND BOY - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 09:38 AM EDT (#435038) #
I was disappointed in Jansen, not in trying for third but for not running hard all the way. I notice that Varsho always busts it right out of the box and hustles on the bases. You can still track the ball when you're running at full speed so there's no excuse for lollygagging it up the first base line.
Ryan Day - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 10:10 AM EDT (#435039) #
In Jansen's defence, it was a tricky play - bounce off the wall, Mullins doesn't come up with it cleanly but makes an absolutely perfect throw to nail Jansen by a second.

I can't see it on any of the replays, but what was Luis Rivera doing on the play? He should have had a clear view of the play in the outfield and the runner (one of the slowest on the team) rounding second. All I can see is Rivera telling Jansen to get down as he slides into 3d.
uglyone - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 10:12 AM EDT (#435040) #
I'm not even mad at Danny. Given the way the team was playing i was kinda happy to see the aggressiveness tbh.
uglyone - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#435041) #
That Mullins at bat kinda said everything about the two teams this year tbh. He won that at bat (and the game) through sheer determination.
hypobole - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#435042) #
Actually, the throw nailed Danny by a split second. And Danny actually has above league average speed.

I know people want heads to roll, but talk of benching for that play is pretty ridiculous IMO.
92-93 - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#435045) #
I actually think that if Jansen was running hard all the way it's an easy standup double that he pulls up into 2nd on before noticing the Mullins misplay, after which it would have been too late to turn on the burners. A better slide and he's probably in there. I was fine with the aggressiveness considering their woes with RISP, cutting the lead in the 7th to 1 run would've been huge. Siddall being so critical on the broadcast colours perception.
dalimon5 - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#435046) #
Hypobole, this team is one of the best put together, ever yet their record is barely passable for a playoff spot. They've babied their stars and changed managers for this core. They've spent a ton on free agents like never before. It's the 3rd year in a row that they are struggling to perform and right now they're very clearly falling apart. Their best slugger is below average (6 WAR off his pace), their historic lead off man is batting fifth and their star pitcher (who hasn't been demoted) is openly criticizing the team for lack of hustle and urgency.

The lapses and laziness demonstrated on the field are absolutely a big deal. If the Rays and other organizations in baseball can bench their stars like Wander Franco and Bryce Harper for attitude or lack of hustle then there's no reason why any player on this team shouldn't be. On top of this there is a sitting duck manager who offers little more than "tip your cap to the other guys and come back tomorrow," quips.

Baltimore is a team with a worse bullpen and worse starting pitching and similar offense. Their manager makes a difference and their players turn close games into wins. Switch Adley Rutchsman and Gunnar Henderson with Vlad and Springer and I'm sure the results would be similar...Toronto needs a change to get more out of the players and the narrative that "things will level out as the season goes on" has now turned into a hope and by September it will become a prayer.

Not running hard in a playoff race against a key division opponent is absolutely a big deal.

Petey Baseball - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#435047) #
If Danny Jansen is taking all this heat for one mental mistake, then we really have lost the plot on the '23 Blue Jays.

Matt Chapman, George Springer, Alejandro Kirk, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Those are the culprits. If those guys are hitting better we're not worried about Danny Jansen making a mistake.
Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 11:49 AM EDT (#435050) #
Matt Chapman has delivered a season entirely consistent with his major league career.  He's been good but not great.  They need more players like him. 
hypobole - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#435051) #
Not saying that play wasn't a big deal, but benching is over the top. Jansen is way down the list for "lapses and laziness".

As for the offenses, they look similar by wRC+, but the Orioles have scored 58 more runs. Their wRC+ goes from 103 wRC+ to 124 wRC+ with runners in scoring position, 3rd best in MLB.. Jays from 105 to 94, 21st. Jay 103 GIDP's is 4th most, Orioles 88 20th. The similarity is superficial.

Marc Hulet - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#435052) #
I personally can't stand watching Chapman and Springer at-bats... They're so easy to pitch to and never make adjustments. Of course, that's pretty much the entire team.

I've been watching a lot of the Orioles and Dodgers over the past few months because they're far more enjoyable. One thing they have in common is that they have multiple hitters that use the whole field and hit the ball hard to the opposite field. And they hustle.
Petey Baseball - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#435055) #
Gotta disagree with you, MG. Yes he .OPS+ is only six points lower than career, and the wRC+ is only four points lower but I'm also taking into account his .238 AVG with RISP this season (which is ten points lower than his current BA). His inability to hit with more power and with RISP is hurting this team, and I'm not convinced it's luck. I concur with a few others on this site and other who cover the Jays who question the approach from veteran hitters; I think Chapman deserves criticism for inability to adjust to how he's being pitched.

dalimon5 - Friday, August 25 2023 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#435056) #
My goodness, do we need to specify every intention and detail-out every missed opportunity to determine who deserves the bulk of this posters wrath, deservedly or not?

My point is simply that this team has the same issue of the past (which really annoys the heck out of me) which is lack of attention, hustle and overall baseball IQ. I am not saying Jansen deserves to be benched when no one else does. I am saying that any player that makes a terrible play or does not hustle should be reprimanded to try to curb the behaviour. You'll never hear me complain about Biggio or Merrifield or Springer, even if they make the odd mistake because they generally hustle, make good decisions and do not cost the team possible outs or runs.

There's way too much lackadaisical behaviour happening here from the players. Vladdy consistently does not run out of the box hard, makes simple fielding errors and has poor approaches at the plate. I'm at the point now that I think many FO's or manager's would just say, "kid we're moving you down to the 6 spot because you're giving at bats away," rather than sit idly.

Chapman not running when Kirk is at bat with a likely GIDP, and on and on. It's one of the reasons you haven't read one complaint from me about Kiermaier or Varsho. Jansen's base running error which would have put him in scoring position and brought the tying run to the plate was completely unacceptable and others on this team make the same type of mistakes constantly, led by the manager who has his own style of managing that for whatever reason is not getting the most out of the players.

Remember when Schneider accidentally pulled his starter from the game because nobody was counting the mound visits or looking up at that 500 foot video screen with the number of mound visits left? These bone headed errors are awful and its a recurring theme with this team. It's no wonder they lack approach at the plate if they can't even get down the basics of base running and coaching.

"Don't run into outs."

"Hustle out of the box."

"Try to have an approach at the plate."

"Don't bounce the ball to throw out a runner stealing 2nd."

"Try not to overreact and take your best start out of the game in the 4th or 5th inning at the beginning of a series."

If they followed these basic ideas and tried to execute them then maybe they would have better results.
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