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Seven out of eight ESPN baseball writers say Sammy Sosa belongs in the Hall of Fame. Do you agree?

Yes, enshrine him 60 (45.45%)
No, keep him out 35 (26.52%)
Don't care either way 37 (28.03%)
Seven out of eight ESPN baseball writers say Sammy Sosa belongs in the Hall of Fame. Do you agree? | 14 comments | Create New Account
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Ryan Day - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#170239) #

It makes me slightly uneasy, but I've got to say yes. He was an incredible hitter for five years, and a pretty good one for a few years more. And to date, there's no evidence (as opposed to hearsay, innuendo, and implication) of cheating, aside from the corked bat thing.

Oh, and Keith Law's answer was snarkier than need be. I think his writing and analysis is okay, but he seems to go out of his way to look like an ass.

John Northey - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 11:26 AM EDT (#170242) #
Sosa was, in many respects, not a great player outside of one element, the home run. However, the HOF should have a place for those who do achieve amazing levels in one category (see Mazeroski at 2B for example). He'll probably need a couple of years on the ballot to get in, which is fine with me. He certainly is a better candidate than Jim Rice or Tony Perez.
Mike Green - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 11:39 AM EDT (#170245) #
Well, we've had the discussion before.  It looks like a couple of Bauxites have a bottle of um, whatever the opposite of a performance enhancing drug is, on the line. I have finally gotten around to reading "Juicing the Game", on Gerry's recommendation.  I have not got to the McGwire/Sosa years. 

Among the modern-day right-fielders on the cusp of Hall of Fame quality, I'd prefer Dwight Evans or Larry Walker or Reggie Smith.  Walker is an interesting comparison.  Not as much in-season durability, but a much more effective ballplayer, and in the end managed to 8000 PAs to Sosa's 9600.  And that is without any discount for Sosa's corking.

ayjackson - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 11:46 AM EDT (#170248) #

I voted no because I felt that Sosa was neck-deep in the steriod scandal and was a one-dimensional player (HR) who would have greatly benefitted from the use of steriods.  I subjectively would put his "clean" HR numbers at approaching 500 and for a one dimensional player, this may not be good enough to make the Hall.

Upon further review though, my assessment of Sosa as being neck-deep in the steriod scandal is wide of the mark.  Is it just pure speculation that he used steriods?  If so, my discount factor may be far too aggressive.  If the only evidence we have that he may have cheated is his muscular body and corked bat, then I'm inclined to backtrack from my initial vote.  The corked bat may help him, since that's the "old-fashioned" way to cheat.

Pending further arguments, I'd change my vote to yes.  As was stated earlier, 600 homers is too many too ignore for a one-dimensional player - especially without greater proof of steriod use.

ayjackson - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 11:48 AM EDT (#170249) #

I think his writing and analysis is okay, but he seems to go out of his way to look like an ass.

It may be that he isn't going out of his way at all.

Ryan Day - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#170254) #

The thing about Sosa, homers, and steroids, is that he always had pretty good power - he just didn't make the most of it because he'd swing at anything near the plate. His monster years came about in conjunction with a huge improvement in plate discipline: He drew 70+ walks for five straight years, when he'd only ever had more than fifty once.

That's not really evidence for/against steroid use, but the issue is more complex than "he hit a lot of homers all of a sudden so must have been on something."

hugo - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#170258) #

my favorite was the unintentionally hilarious steve phillips' comment that he knows Sosa didn't use PED's because he was caught corking his bat and "why would a player on steroids cork his bat?"  i couldn't stop laughing at the logic that somehow being caught cheating in one way to get undeserved HRs made it less likely that he would have cheated in a different way to the same end.  oh, steve. 

Joanna - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#170316) #

"why would a player on steroids cork his bat?"  That statement when I first heard it didn't make me stop at all, but the more I think about it, the sillier it is.  It's kinda like saying "why would he steal a credit card when he's already stolen a tv?"

One of the psychological effects of steroids is a feeling of invisibility, so maybe Sosa thought he could get away with bat corking.  One thing I know for sure, is that Sammy is way smaller than when he was a Cub.

Ryan Day - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#170317) #
If he was feeling invisible, you'd think he'd have stolen more bases.
Joanna - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#170322) #

yeah, no one saw him hit the homeruns.  People were like "who is doing that?"

 

Invicibility!!!!! With a C!!!

Joanna - Thursday, June 21 2007 @ 05:23 PM EDT (#170323) #

yeah, no one saw him hit the homeruns.  People were like "who is doing that?"

 

Invincibility!!!!! With a C!!! and an N!

VBF - Friday, June 22 2007 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#170352) #
Yea, I'll give it to him. He has the numbers for it.

It's not like an induction into the Hall of Fame means we forget that he cheated at least once and very likely many, many times. The fans know, the veterans know, the players know. This is something he will carry with him through his whole life.

John Northey - Friday, June 22 2007 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#170384) #
Thinking about this more it hits me that Sosa might end up being the one guy from the steroid crew (Canseco/McGwire/Bonds/Palmerio/Sosa) who actually gets into the HOF.

Canseco is already out, McGwire is low on the votes and will continue to be for a long time I suspect, Bonds is hated by writers so he'll get the McGwire treatment, and Palmerio was actually caught red-handed and made it worse by accusing a teammate who most think of as clean. Sosa stole an MVP from McGwire so wouldn't it be funny (weird funny) if he also gets into the HOF well ahead of him?

His revival this season will get him a lot of voters saying 'well, I guess he was able to do it without drugs' and that might just do the trick.
david wang - Friday, June 22 2007 @ 04:11 PM EDT (#170389) #
If Sosa gets in, then Fred McGriff should be in 10 times as fast and Big Mac should be in too then. Fred has a better OPS+, without talk about possible steroid use.

I think all deserve to be in the hall, but McGriff first, reward the 100% clean players.
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