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As long as we've done the Braves, let's head back to their old digs, Milwaukee ... greatest Brewer?

Cecil Cooper 0 (0.00%)
Teddy Higuera 1 (0.82%)
Paul Molitor 52 (42.62%)
Don Money 0 (0.00%)
Dan Plesac 3 (2.46%)
George Scott 0 (0.00%)
Jim Slaton 1 (0.82%)
B.J. Surhoff 0 (0.00%)
Robin Yount 64 (52.46%)
Other (who?) 1 (0.82%)
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Mick Doherty - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#173219) #
Not a great list, honestly -- the last cuts were Geoff Jenkins, Ben Sheets, Gorman Thomas and Jim Gantner (those last two were hard to remove, they scream "Brewers" to me), but none of those four are likely headed to Cooperstown except as a visitor. Well, at least there ARE two Hall of Famers on the actual list! No Yankee-Giant dominance here ...
jeff mcl - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#173227) #
Funny that when you punch Molitor into BR his #1 most similar batter is Robin Yount.    In that case, I probably should've voted career Brewer Yount, but Molly's '93 season in a Jays uni won him a sentimental vote from me.
Four Seamer - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 02:33 PM EDT (#173232) #
I demand the right to vote for the greatest Brewer of them all - Bud Selig! 
Mick Doherty - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#173234) #

And Yount's Most Similar list has Molitor at 32 (behind Craig Biggio) ... it's interesting how similar they are, but I honestly am surprised that Molitor is outpacing Yount right now (it's still early in the vote, just 29 so far) ... Yount was a Gold Glove shortstop. Molitor was -- well, fine, but not so much the Gold Glove middle infielder. Maybe it is his Jay success that's putting him over the top here so far.

If you can't tell from my comments, I voted Yount. Though I admit, due to childhood among-my-favorite-player points, I at least hovered the mouse over Jim Slaton's name for a moment.

Mick Doherty - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#173235) #
Sorry, not "32" but rather "#2" ...
Evair Montenegro - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#173238) #
What about Ben Oglivie, he was better than some of the options.
Mick Doherty - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#173241) #

You're right, Benjie probably deserved to be mentioned along with Gorman Thomas in the "sorry, didn't make the cut" group ... I just looked it up and didn't realize he was with MIL for nine years!

But seriously, who would he be "better than" on that list of nine? Arguably as good/deserving? No question. But "better"? The only guys on the list I could conceiveably see him bumping are Slaton, Higuera and Plesac -- the team's two best career SP and career saves leader -- and that's really comparing apples and oranges. (Or given the team name, comparing wheat and barley.)

Jordan - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#173242) #

Yount was also a two-time MVP -- once at shortstop, once in centerfield. I'm pretty sure he's the answer to the trivia question, "Who's the only player ever to win MVP awards as an infielder and as an outfielder?" Molitor was great, but Yount is pretty clearly the greatest Brewer.

Yount's 1982 season is one of the best ever recorded by a shortstop -- 160 OPS+ and a Gold Glove. Ripken's 1991 MVP campaign was extremely similar. A-Rod had three comparable seasons with the bat ('96, '00, '01), with sold defence but no Gold Gloves. Any other shortstop campaigns in that rarefied atmosphere?

Mike Green - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#173243) #
Honus Wagner 1903-09 and Arky Vaughan 1935. 
Mike Green - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#173245) #
Barry Larkin had an OPS+ of 156 and won a Gold Glove in 1996.  Trammell wasn't that great a defender by 1987. 

I voted for Yount. I remember when there was a legitimate debate about which of the young turks (Brett, Yount and Rickey Henderson) in the AL would have the best career. 

Evair Montenegro - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#173246) #
I think he was better than Surhoff, he had more power, a better OBP and had a OPS+ of 100+ in all but one off his seasons with milwaukee. I know he wasnīt the best player, but he was good.
Mick Doherty - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 05:06 PM EDT (#173250) #
Yeah, I can see that, Evair, but remember -- Surhoff was a catcher for the Brewers, which I think makes him more valuable that Oglivie's admittedly All-Star OF/DH work.
Evair Montenegro - Friday, August 17 2007 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#173255) #
Yeah, I know, but, was he a good catcher? He was only a catcher in his first six seasons. But really it looks like when he changed positions he began to hit, but I donīt know if that was the reason he changed positions, but maybe you know.
Callum - Saturday, August 18 2007 @ 12:21 AM EDT (#173269) #
How come there is no Jim Gantner love?
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