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There are nine eligible 300+ career-save relievers not currently in the Hall of Fame. Who most deserves a plaque?

Rick Aguilera 1 (0.55%)
Rich Gossage 71 (38.80%)
Tom Henke 46 (25.14%)
Doug Jones 0 (0.00%)
Jeff Montgomery 0 (0.00%)
Randy Myers 2 (1.09%)
Jeff Reardon 6 (3.28%)
Lee Smith 34 (18.58%)
John Wetteland 5 (2.73%)
None of them! 18 (9.84%)
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Mick Doherty - Friday, February 02 2007 @ 02:03 PM EST (#162957) #

I admit, I voted for Wetteland, and may well be the only one to do so. I was fortunate to live in New York in '96 when he was the WS-MVP for NYY, and then in DFW for the several years after that when he had moved to the Rangers.

Wetteland is the only guy on this list -- though I admit, I don't really remember much about Henke or Montgomery -- who had the "game over" factor when he got the ball. If you got to the ninth with a lead, the game was over -- even moreso than with Gossage. Guys like Jones, Myers and Montgomery, there was always a "oh, crap, let's get through this inning without Evil Twin showing up and throwing a gopher ball" factor. Not with Wetteland.

John Northey - Friday, February 02 2007 @ 02:11 PM EST (#162958) #

Some extra info...

Name       ERA ERA+ IP Saves
Aguilera  3.57 117 1291 318
Gossage   3.01 126 1809 310
Henke     2.67 156  790 311
Jones     3.30 130 1128 303 much better than I remembered
Montgomery3.27 134  869 304 replaced Quiz
Myers     3.19 122  885 347 Former Nasty Boy
Reardon   3.16 121 1132 367 Briefly the all-time save leader
Smith     3.03 132 1289 478 #2 all time now
Wetteland 2.93 148  765 330

Wow, Henke was better than all of them for ERA+. If only he didn't choose to retire so soon (36 saves his last year 232 ERA+) he might have convinced a few voters. Sadly for him he was between era's thus will not be remembered except by a few Jay fans.

John Northey - Friday, February 02 2007 @ 02:20 PM EST (#162960) #

Looking at the stats I suspect saves will be like home runs were, 500 is the level you must reach to get in the hall.  300 appeared to be a standard back in the 80's but with guys like Jose Mesa (102 ERA+) over 300 it won't be.  So, 50 saves a year for a decade - seems a good standard to me.  We should see Hoffman and Rivera crack it with Wagner (324 at age 34) having a shot and Francisco Rodriguez (106 at age 24) being a candidate for the future.

Btw, 400 has a membership of 4 - Hoffman, Lee Smith, Rivera, and John Franco.  Always surprises me when I see Franco up there but he did have a 137 ERA+ over 21 years, was a 'Nasty Boy' and a Met.  6 years as a LOOGY at the end.  Never cracked 40 saves.

Mick Doherty - Friday, February 02 2007 @ 02:45 PM EST (#162964) #

was a 'Nasty Boy'

Actually, he wasn't. Franco was traded by the Reds to th Mets for (among others) Randy Myers, who with Dibble and Charlton (and to a lesser extent, Tim Birtsas) made up Cincinnati's Nasty Boys.

Mike Green - Friday, February 02 2007 @ 03:11 PM EST (#162965) #
It would be either "Goose Gossage" or "none of them" for me.  Previously, I have said 'none', but I am changing my thinking on it.  The short story is that Goose's prime of 11 years as a closer will probably end up including more innings than any of the modern reliever's careers.  If one compares apples to apples, Mariano Rivera is quite noticeably ahead of him in effectiveness (ERA+ margin of 200-180) and everyone else will likely end up behind.  Billy Wagner is close. 

I am leaning to the view that 1000 innings of 180+ pitching as a closer (or 1500 innings of 160+ pitching as a starter) should qualify.  There just aren't that many who've done it.  In Goose's case, his failed attempt at starting and his long drawn-out decline make his career statistic seem less impressive. 

 
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