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That headline courtesy of Bauxite BlueJayWay from the Advance Scout thread.  The Jays are once again being accused of stealing signs.  That assertion was strongly suggested by Baltimore starter and losing pitcher Jason Hammel in the wake of Wednesday's 4-1 victory by Toronto at the Dome.



Hammel, whacked for nine hits - including four homers by Edwin Encarnacion, Rajai Davis, Brett Lawrie and Colby Rasmus - over 6 2/3 innings, had this to say:

"When you're not locating your fastball, you're going to give up some home runs there. But the swings they were taking on the breaking stuff, it was pretty amazing to me. I don't think you can take swings like that not knowing they're coming. I don't know. That's all I can say."

Hammel was 4-0 lifetime versus the Jays heading into Wednesday's game.   He should've been whacked around at the Dome April 14 but the Jays offence could not capitalize on a bases-loaded situation that ended with Lawrie caught stealing at home.  The tall righty managed to survive five innings in a no-decision but an eventual Orioles win.  Hammel did pitch much better against the Jays 11 days later with seven shutout frames to get the victory at Camden Yards.

However, Wednesday was not Hammel's night as illustrated by his knocking down Davis with a pitch before "Willie Mays Hayes" got his revenge on the next pitch - launching one over the left field wall.  That blast turned out to be the winning run.  Hammel's lowest earned run average in a season is 4.33, which he posted with Colorado in 2009.  His ERA was 2.78 prior to Wednesday but now stands at 3.06.  After Hammel and the O's got the best of the Jays in his first two starts this year, you didn't hear anyone from the Jays accuse him of scuffing the ball.  Maybe they should after this! 

Meanwhile, the team that started the "Man In White" controversy, the Chicago White Sox, had an interesting tilt in Tropicana Field Wednesday.  The Rays took exception to a hard slide by Pale Hose catcher A.J. Pierzynski into second base in which he nearly spiked Ben Zobrist on Tuesday.  In the series finale Wednesday, Tampa starter Alex Cobb plunked Pierzynski in the back to settle that score, supposedly.  As it turns out, Pierzynski did cross home plate that inning to help Chicago in a one-run victory.  Anyways, White Sox starter Jose Quintana decided to throw behind Zobrist and was immediately ejected.  As usual, the call from White Sox announcer Ken Harrelson was partial and objective.  You'll have to surf around for this video on the linked page.

After off-days sandwiching the Red Sox series at the Dome this weekend, the Jays will visit the White Sox next Tuesday to Thursday.

 

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robertdudek - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 08:46 AM EDT (#257438) #
 I used to hate Hawk Harrelson, but I've grown to love his humorous play-by-play accounts during games. Yesterday was particularly noteworthy - who else but he would ever suggest that an umpire go back to school (something I've thought applied to half the umpiring core at various moments). It's a pity I was watching the Rays feed - whose broadcasters had a "different' take on the matter.

On the subject of umpiring - I think there shouyld be a promotion/relegation system. After each year the umps are graded on their ball/strike and other calls and the bottom 10% get relegated to triple A, while the top 10% in AAA get promoted, plus the next best that are needed to replace retirees.

uglyone - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 08:52 AM EDT (#257439) #
J.Hammell (29): 787.0ip, 1.45whip, 4.84era

pipe down, jason.
whiterasta80 - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:07 AM EDT (#257442) #
I suspect that the HH rant had alot to do with what Leyland said the previous day.  Was it over the top?  Of course.  But Leyland made some good points about needing to hold umpires accountable, and HH probably just took it as a personal challenge.
zeppelinkm - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#257443) #

Ahh, the classic sore loser response. Get beat, accuse the other team of cheating.

You stay classy, San Diego.  Err, Hammel.

greenfrog - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:29 AM EDT (#257445) #
Well, all four HRs were hit off Hammel's FB, so there's that.

Also, while EE and Lawrie are hitting much better at home in 2012, several regulars aren't (Rasmus, Arencbia and KJ all have about equal h/r splits, while Bautista is hitting 195/314/402 at home versus 248/347/485 on the road).

Lastly: with all the players being added to and subtracted from the Jays' roster in recent seasons, is there any way this type of cheating wouldn't get leaked eventually? Yet we haven't heard a thing from current or former Jays players.

It sounds to me more like the frustration of a would-be stopper who wasn't able to stop his team's losing streak in a key matchup.
China fan - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#257451) #
Hammel didn't specifically mention the "Man in White" theory. Could he be alluding to coaches or players spotting something in his delivery and relaying it to the hitter somehow? Wasn't there incidents in the past where Cito or others were spotting something and tipping off the hitter?
Parker - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:52 AM EDT (#257453) #
I think Harrelson should be doing ringside commentary for professional wrestling. That man has no business in an MLB broadcast booth.
TJ Caino - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#257454) #
Errr - if a pitcher is tipping his pitches, there is nothing wrong with coaches telling the team what to look for.

A guy in the stands relaying signs is a different kettle o' fish.
China fan - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 10:19 AM EDT (#257455) #
Right. Which is why I raised the question. Hamel could have been tipping his pitches. He didn't specifically mention any crazy theory about a man in the stands.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 10:37 AM EDT (#257459) #
Yes but people aren't going to see it that way.  To the rest of baseball it will be just "oh the Jays are cheating with the man in white again."  The accusation is ridiculous but now it's out there.
eungar - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 11:18 AM EDT (#257463) #
i just dont even understand why were discussing this "man in white" thing again. obviously hammel brought up something that would suggest hes referring to that but i dont think its news worthy for us to be proving why there is no man in white. all the signs point to it being ludicrous and we should move on. besides the man in white probably changed into a different shirt now that people are onto him.
uglyone - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 12:49 PM EDT (#257477) #
IMO we're discussing it because it's a classless insult to our organization, and the organization shouldn't have to put up with that kind of crap.

It shouldn't be ok to slander an entire organization like that.
jgadfly - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#257490) #

  AHH !   Video Proof ...   On Lawrie's homerun, when he is circling the bases and as the ball is entering the stands, you can see that the fan sitting in the lower left seat next to the right side of the batter's sight backdrop is clearly wearing a large white sweatshirt  ... and to make things even worse, culpable and guilty, he does not even make an attempt to catch the ball which means, obviously, that he has been around enough baseballs to not desire them as a souvenir and is therefore not a true baseball fan but an employee of the Blue Jays ... guilty as charged ...  this requires that the Bud should immediately intervene and ensure that the ticketholder of that seat should be advised that they may not, nay, cannot wear a white sweatshirt and that for the integrity of the game, that by logical and unequivocal extension, every ticketholder in that section should be issued a dark blue Blue Jay sweatshirt and that because baseball and its owners are undergoing such difficult economic hardships in these tenuous financial times that the inherent costs be added to the price of the ticket, but however, because baseball cares so much for their fans, that a group discount  "may" be applied by Rogers Communications to defray their costs of maintaining the previously mentioned "integrity of the game" ...

    ... logic provided by the CPC and the TPA ...

Craig B - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#257520) #
"The accusation is ridiculous"

Why is it ridiculous? Obviously, there are rules against it, but outside of that, wouldn't you probably want the information? I would. I don't think it's ridiculous at all.
Mike Green - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:39 PM EDT (#257521) #
The Tigers in Hank Greenberg's day had a scout in the center field bleachers stealing signs in the World Series one year.  It was described as not kosher by Greenberg's son in The Life and Times of Hank Greenberg.  Greenberg was not a religious man, so I gather that he took advantage of the stolen signs, kosher or otherwise!
Mike Green - Thursday, May 31 2012 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#257522) #
Of course, the Tigers had their scout in full rabbi/ZZ Top beard disguise. 
ayjackson - Friday, June 01 2012 @ 01:10 PM EDT (#257548) #

Obviously, there are rules against it

There are rules against stealing signs?

eungar - Saturday, June 02 2012 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#257605) #
"Why is it ridiculous?"

considering the near impossibility (made up word?) id say thats why its ridiculous.
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