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There might be a sweep at Skydome today! Better yet, it might be carried out by the home team! The Blue Jays have rattled off four wins in a row as they continue to emerge from their April snoozefest. But today's assignment might be particularly tough: 2003 Andujar Winner and erstwhile Jays albatross Esteban Loaiza goes for the ChiSox, anxious to avoid a northern brooming; the Jays counter with Justin Miller, The Illustrated Man. Gregg Zaun and Howie Clark get the starts for the Gray Jays in the field. The Toronto forecast calls for partly cloudy skies and a high of 16; might this be the day the dome cracks open?
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_Andrew K - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#66890) #
Zaun shows that it's not only Cash who guns out runners. Chicago just won't learn! Long may it last.
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#66891) #
Good start for the Jays
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#66892) #
Maybe we get to see L**** implode

Hehe seems Chicago are trying to do a Cash on Henske on 1st
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#66893) #
w00t he dropped it!
_gid - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:39 PM EDT (#66894) #
For you guys not able to see the TV coverage, the catch by Hinske to snag that Frank Thomas line drive was sweet. He was fully extended and entirely in the air when he made the catch, and then did a good job to keep the ball in his glove as he landed.

In the bottom of the first, VW hits a long fly to left-center but it dies at the track (off the bat I thought it was gone). In the second Phelps does the same to right-center. Loaiza is getting some ground outs, but also some hard-hit balls. He just walked Hinske and Zaun reached on an error, but Loaiza gets out of it with a double play.

Top of the third, Miller strikes out his third in a row.
_R Billie - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:51 PM EDT (#66895) #
Well that's five straight outs on strikeouts. Unfortunately there was also three singles, a walk, and a hit by pitch mixed in to score two runs. Nevertheless, you have to like what Miller is doing for the most part.
_Andrew K - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#66896) #
Clark gets on base with a little ploop into left field. Cat hits his first HR of 2004 to tie the game 2-2.
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 01:56 PM EDT (#66897) #
Going, Going, It gone!

2 - 2 game now!

Go Cat Go!

I think this is just what the jays needed - to tie it up straight after Chi Sox take the lead.
_Andrew K - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#66898) #
Now they tag out Crede trying to steal. Would they like to let us erase all of their hits or walks?
_R Billie - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#66899) #
Wow. How many times do the Sox have to get thrown out on the bases before they get a clue? I don't know why Tosca bothered pitching out to Crede.
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:15 PM EDT (#66900) #
Go O-Dawg!

3 - 2 men on the corners
_Oggman - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#66901) #
Does Hinske grounding out to 1st, moving Phelps to 3rd count as small ball? I can just see the articles tomorrow, "Jays beat the White Sox at their own game."
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#66902) #
Loaiza is up to 60 pitches just about in 4 innings.
_R Billie - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#66903) #
60 pitches in 4 innings is 15 per inning which is about average. A pitcher can go 7 innings with 105 pitches at that rate. Miller unfortunately had thrown 72 through 4 innings and they'll be lucky to get 6 innings out of him today.
_R Billie - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:22 PM EDT (#66904) #
Double play will help Miller's pitch count a lot.
_The Walrus - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#66905) #
Hawk Harrelson just mentioned on the Sox telecast that Justin Miller has a piercing in his nether region. Can anyone confirm this?
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#66906) #
Mrs Miller I think would.....
_Matthew E - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#66907) #
I'd like to know how Hawk knows.
_Oggman - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#66908) #
What happened to end the top of the 6th? Turned away from my computer and the next thing I know Phelps had flew out. A DP?
_Andrew K - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#66909) #
That's ironic. Not only does Hinske steal a base (something the Sox are supposed to be better at but keep getting thrown out when trying) but the Sox screw up the throw and he steals 2!
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#66910) #
They also threw it into center field so Henske gets 3rd
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:49 PM EDT (#66911) #
Miller is pitching really well today.
_Oggman - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#66912) #
He is pitching well, but he's at 105+ pitches, don't know how much longer he should be in there.
_Oggman - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#66913) #
D'oh, ignore that. I've still got to get used to CBS Sportsline sometimes, I thought he was going out to start the next inning. By bad.

That's yet another reason why being stuck in the office on a Sunday sucks.
_Alex from the U - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#66914) #
Hmm......2 outs and Ligtenberg in......Maybe he needs to get some outings for his pitchers....
_Andrew K - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#66915) #
That's yet another reason why being stuck in the office on a Sunday sucks

Tell me about it! At least I can have on my laptop while tearing my hair out trying to get perl to compile on the desktop.
_Jimbob - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#66916) #
Hey, watching the Jays play is becoming fun again ;)

Funny how easy it looks when we do things properly, and the other team makes the errors, fails to execute etc...

Now if we can take 2 of 3 v KC, we're only 4 games back from .500
Pistol - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:22 PM EDT (#66917) #
Another good win.

I thought Tosca did a really nice job with the pitching changes today. The right handed dominant middle of the Sox order is the perfect spot for Ligtenberg and with only 1 pitch in the 8th and Adams pitching the previous 2 days it was a good spot for Ligtenberg to get the save.

And the best part about the end of this series is that I don't have to listen to the White Sox announcers for awhile. Most of the game I had my split screen going and was listening to the TBS announcers it was so intolerable.

But I think I did hear the Cheer Club today with a 'Let's go Carlos' chant'....right before he hit into a double play.
_Cristian - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#66918) #
I can't disagree with any of Tosca's bullpen moves this past week. I'm guessing that he and JP had a little talk about bullpen usage.
_Oggman - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#66919) #
Now if we can take 2 of 3 v KC, we're only 4 games back from .500

As bad as KC has been playing, a sweep is a defineate possiblity.
_Andrew K - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#66920) #

I quite agree that this is much more fun to watch. Being forced to listen to the White Sox commentators, with their partisan patter and insistence that persistent small ball is a winning strategy, makes it a particularly sweet sweep.

I've still got some concerns -- none of the big hitters are genuinely hitting big still -- but there's hope for a worthwhile season. I do wonder what will happen when we have the next slump; you know that one will come sooner or later, and Tosca's future will start to get discussed all the more quickly now. But I hope we can hover around .500 for much of the middle part of the season, and overtake the Oreos in late season, for the traditional 3rd place.
Mike Green - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#66921) #
Sweet. Nothing but good news, as far as I am concerned.
_Jimbob - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#66922) #
A sweep would be good too ;)

Couldn't agree more about the commentry though, makes you wonder if our commentators sounds as biased to other fans as these WS commentators do. Hear them moan about the pitches given to our pitchers, listen to them groan when WS batters failed to bring runners home... and worse of all is that 'he gone' and 'you can put it in the book.... yeeeeas'. God Im glad we only have to listen to this 9 games a year.

After the series I'd like to be the first to say

they gone

and we can put it in the book... YEAS.
_John Neary - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#66923) #
Justin Miller's really having a breakthrough year:
Level   IP   H  BB  K  HR  ERA
AAA 16.2 16 4 21 2 2.16
MLB 18.0 19 4 15 1 3.00

Entering this season, he hadn't posted a K/BB ratio of 3:1 or better at any level since 1999 (high-A), so for him to be at 36:8 right now is really outstanding. Time will tell if this is an early-season fluke, but it looks legit to me.

If the Jays are going to go with a four-and-a-half man rotation (skipping the fifth spot whenever there's an off day), I would hope that Hengten, not Miller, is the odd man out.

Incidentally, nearly half of the posts in this thread (sixteen, by my count) are from Britain, which is truly amazing for a baseball forum!
_R Billie - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#66924) #
Miller DID have good control in the minors until a year where the A's tried to fool with his arm angle, I think to improve his effectiveness versus lefties. That didn't work as his mechanics fell apart. He only just started rounding into form again in late 2002 when he spent some time in Syracuse and made some impressive big league starts down the stretch.

If he's back to where he was in high-A then Miller should be a big find for the Jays this year. He's hitting the corners with his fastball and they've cleaned up his slider and changeup as well. He's always had the good movement so I don't think he's a fluke either.
_Andrew K - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#66925) #
Incidentally, nearly half of the posts in this thread (sixteen, by my count) are from Britain, which is truly amazing for a baseball forum!

It's certainly amazing but it probably has something to do with the fact that us in the UK have no alternatives but to watch or listen on or online radio, making us already at the PC and ready to post during the game!
_Metric - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#66926) #
I have nothing constructive to add.

Go Jays.

It looks like we'll get Pedro/Doc next Saturday, right?
Mike D - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#66927) #
Hey, following the action from my work computer here in New York...

It's a final: Canada 5, Sweden 3.

Congrats to Team Canada, men's and women's world and Olympic champions!
_Metric - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#66928) #
Also, I don't think the Cheer Club was responsible for the "Let's Go, Carlos," which I was in on standing behind 126. The "Let's Go, Carlos" guys were three younger fellas in blue face paint in good seats. I don't think that describes anyone in the Cheer Club ;)
_Jeff Geauvreau - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#66929) #
174648 Posted 05/09/2004 05:33 PM by Jeff Geauvreau:

Hey Batters Box minor league fans !

A team with one of the top records in all of baseball is playing today. The game starts at 6pm. I am unavailable but I am sure we have some great fans who can jump in and do the Play by Play for us.

Charleston ,WV is playing Lakewood and you can hear them while you transscribe the game for us.

You can hear the game through the Lakewood broadcast. COMN for link.

You can Post on todays Batter's Box minor league thread !!
_S.K. - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#66930) #
Also nothing constructive to add... I'm excited about Miller as well. When Carlos breaks out things will be skippy.
_A - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 06:12 PM EDT (#66931) #
In a thread earlier this week we all started gushing about our plans to go to Beantown to take in the Sox vs. Jays series on the May 2-4 weekend. Unfortunately for me (and hopefully not for all those who stated their intentions earlier), we hadn't booked our seats and have learnt since that aside from a few single seats, there isn't anything available.

Hope everyone else has secured their seats, Blue Jays (version May) have to rank amongst the league's most fun to watch and can give any team a run for their money.
_Jobu - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 06:18 PM EDT (#66932) #
the HAMMER OF WISDOM stikes again!!!!!!!

This thing is starting to freak me out, I wonder if its power will increase once i get it signed. May 16th would be a good day for another cheer club i would think. The Hammer and I will be there for sure and the sox fans will swarm the place, we cant let their cheers dominate like last time. The dome is actually starting to sound quasi-respectable now, its a great feeling.

Hopefully this next cheer club will be a little heftier than the last one, but THE HAMMER will componsate for all.
_Jeff Geauvreau - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#66933) #
My Mistake:

174650 Posted 05/09/2004 06:16 PM by Jeff Geauvreau:

Sorry Folks , I got the game time wrong. Charleston won today 9-7.

Game long over ! :-)
_Nolan - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#66934) #
Andrew K mentioned that he was worried that none of the big hitters were hitting big and I agree...but on the other hand, they are winning without them and so when Carlos and Vernon do get it going it should be even more fun to watch.

Go Jays
_A - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 06:40 PM EDT (#66935) #
May 16th is also HLH Bobblehead Day for the first 10,000 fans
_Jobu - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 06:55 PM EDT (#66936) #
Thats why I plan to show up ridiculously early to get mine. The thought of some Bostonian with such a sweet bobblehead that he could care less about while it could be a prize possesion on my desk really cheeses me off.

And this time the jays have THE HAMMER so we don't have to worry about the Bo Sox fans having too much fun.
_Jobu - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#66937) #
Sparky was on MLB radio this week. He talked about the confidence he gained from last year when he went 0-20 and still had a spot in the lineup. He also said he likes to look around the stadium while taking BP and think what the place was like back in the day with 56K+ everynight and hopes that if they can start putting together playoff runs they can bring most of that back. Great interview.
_Moffatt - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 07:24 PM EDT (#66938) #
Steve Montador is my new hero.

Great game by the Jays as well.. it's hard to believe that this is the same team we saw in April.
Mike D - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#66939) #
It's amazing. Despite Moffatt's best efforts to alienate us all, I'm pulling hard for the Flames. How can you not? What an amazing team.
Mike D - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 07:33 PM EDT (#66940) #
Correction: That probably should have read "best efforts to alienate me."
_Moffatt - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#66941) #
Despite Moffatt's best efforts to alienate us all, I'm pulling hard for the Flames.

Then I haven't done my job at all. If you guys all jump on the bandwagon, where am I going to put my beer?
_Rob - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 08:50 PM EDT (#66942) #
How about we stop talking about the Flames now!

--Rob, Detroit Fan :)
_The Hockey-Hati - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#66943) #
I'm probably the only guy in this country rooting for the 2004-2005 season being wiped out. It would be great if the one true winter sport dominated the headlines for a change: CURLING!

And why are there suddenly a bunch of angry-looking people with lit torches outside my window? It sounds like they're chanting "PILL BRIAN" or something, whatever that means...
_Donkit R.K. - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#66944) #
I've been pulling for the Flames for awhile now, pciking htme to beat both Detroit and Vancouver... I just will cheer a little more intensely now that my team is gone....
_Rob - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#66945) #
I wouldn't mind having no hockey for a year either. I'm tired of nothing but "Hockeycentral", "That's Hockey", "Here's Hockey", "The Hockey Show", "Everybody Loves Hockey", and "Hockey Hockey Hockey" being on TV every day.

Of course, during a lockout that would just be worse, right?
_Moffatt - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#66946) #
Of course, during a lockout that would just be worse, right?

Yes. Exponentially. If you think the hockey coverage is bad now, wait until they have nothing to talk about, but tons of time to fill.
_the shadow - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#66947) #
Great effort by Miller to-day. Kudos also to good handling of the pitching staff by Zaun, he is quite impressive, nice move by JP to pick him up, I would still like to see a good ML outfielder in RF and a reduction of an arm in the BP, Sparky and Cat would make an ideal platoon in LF
_Ducey - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#66948) #
Nice pitching by the Jays today. 11 K's and this compliment about Miller from Konerko (who had 3K):

"That guy today was awesome," he said. "His slider was as good as I've seen since I've been in the big leagues. He made a lot of guys not look good today."
_Lefty - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 11:16 PM EDT (#66949) #
Yes, I'm thinking I'm liking Justin Miller alot right now. He seems to be getting stronger with every start. Today he looked filthy on the outside corner to right-handed hitters. He was consistantly showing his control to HP Ump. Vanover. Great pitchers get the calls Hawk Harrelson was complaining about today.

I know its early but three very good starts on top of his great Syrucuse numbers seem to suggest that he is for real.

He's gotta be a bit of a throw back as well. Love / Hate Tatties on his knuckles. Whoa. I only know one guy who ever had the guts to do that and he was once near the top of Maggie Thatchers hit list in the UK. Tough!

Millers had a swing through the central. Lets see if he can keep it up in the east. Looks like his next start will be against the Bo-Sox.
_Jobu - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 11:17 PM EDT (#66950) #
No word yet if the HAMMER OF WISDOM was granting Tattoo the wisdom to locate his pitches perfectly...
_tag - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#66951) #
Entertaining game to watch. Miller looked impressive, what a contrast with Towers. I'm generally in aggreement with Nolan, but both sluggers will probably always give away far too many ABs, regardless of success or failure. VW is the real deal, though, and that is the most frustrating aspect of his approach.

Smart lineup adjustment by Tosca. I initially questioned both decisions (RF & C). Ozzie not only loves to run, but seems to particularly enjoy rubbing the Jays collective nostrils in organizational philosophies (Crawl Ball)and roster decisions (Koch and Polite). Anyway, Cash was both impressive and intimidating the previous day. Allowing Guillen free rain/run on the base paths could have possibly been the game's deciding factor...or not. Similarly, I figured that Miller would give up his share of sharply hit rocks and that both moves significantly hurt an already average D. But, the left handed bats didn't make things any easier on the nasty Mexican right hander. Oh, and both subs brought their arms to the park, too.

One last observation. If Big Frank's bullet clears the wall early on, the dam would likely have burst wide open. The Jays played very well this weekend, but were as fortunate as they were deserving. The Sox sticks were itching to bust out and an early Grand Swat would have been tragic for the home side and undoubtedly uplifting for the Sux.
_Lefty - Sunday, May 09 2004 @ 11:42 PM EDT (#66952) #
Thomas is a great hitter with monolithic power. However, I think he was lucky to hit that shot. Just before he tagged it Miller dropped a nasty slider on the outside edge of the plate for a called stike. Thomas's reaction? He stepped back and said "Wow" with wonderment on his face.

Fact is he contained the Sox bats all day. The only other hard hit ball was a screamer that Hinske caught in the first.

Woulda coulda shoulda but Didn't.
_Asher - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 12:01 AM EDT (#66953) #
I thought that the "Wow" was a reaction to the ump's call. That ball looked well off the plate to me.
_Lefty - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 12:17 AM EDT (#66954) #
Asher, maybe your right, but he was painting all day both in and outside the waterline.
_SNAKE - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 12:46 AM EDT (#66955) #
I wonder if the jays can overtake the A.L. EAST by the all star break.
_Alex from the U - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 02:53 AM EDT (#66956) #
Slight hijack here:

Anyone read the link to the Toronto Sun yesterday with the story about Joe Cowley?

Here is the part I am talking about:

"Players have their favourite destinations (such asNew York or Boston) and their dislikes (St. Pete's, Montreal). Ditto for writers. Joe Cowley, who covers the White Sox for the Daily Southtown, asked at the end of an interview on the Score 670 radio, what he'd do in Toronto this weekend, answered: "I dislike Toronto. It's nothing but a city in a third-world country. I don't go out. I walk from the hotel to the park and back. I only use American money. I hate it, and in fact I hate Canada. Detroit's the only place I dislike more." "

COMN for link - it is about 1/2 to 3/4 of the way down the page.
_JackFoley - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 03:41 AM EDT (#66957) #
I'm glad we live in a place where someone can freely say things like that. I feel sorry for him, but that doesn't rile me at all.
_Jimbob - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 04:48 AM EDT (#66958) #
Sounds like someone was a little upset at getting swept by a team from a 'third world country'...

_coliver - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 07:40 AM EDT (#66959) #
How dare Joe Cowley call Canada a third-world country. I am an American Blue Jays fan from Western New York and I am very embarassed by his comments.

Toronto, is, by far, the best city in the Major Leagues. Too bad he does not go out and experience it for himself.

Oh, I forgot: Hey, Toronto swept a series!!! The Jays are on their way
_Xander - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 07:50 AM EDT (#66960) #
#174856 Posted 05/09/2004 09:31 PM by Rob:

"I wouldn't mind having no hockey for a year either. I'm tired of nothing but "Hockeycentral", "That's Hockey", "Here's Hockey", "The Hockey Show", "Everybody Loves Hockey", and "Hockey Hockey Hockey" being on TV every day.

Of course, during a lockout that would just be worse, right?"

AHAHAHA! Rob, knowing the Canadian networks and their obsession with hockey....would you really be suprised if they just rebroadcast the entire 03/04 season?

I could deal without hockey for a year. The coverage is way too much to take...typical of TSN/SCORE/SPORTSNET: "Congratulations to the 2004 world series champion Toronto Blue Jays. More on that later. It seems that Wade Belaks' issues with ingrown toenails just wont go away, even after a summer of rest..." To hell with it...I hope the NHL shuts down for good.


Craig B - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:19 AM EDT (#66961) #
Joe Cowley lives in *Chicago* and he calls Canada a Third World country? There's a winner in the unintentional comedy sweepstakes.

I can understand someone from New York, or Atlanta, or D.C. looking down their nose at Toronto. But Chicago? America's Winnipeg? 'Tis to laugh...
Named For Hank - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 09:53 AM EDT (#66962) #
America's Winnipeg? That's below the belt, Craig, and I feel that you should apologize to Winnipeggers for comparing their city to Chicago.

I'm tempted to make more hammers, Jobu, but I'm afraid that'd dilute the power of the first one. The hammer and the Ten Run Hat are doing their jobs so well that I haven't even had to convert the hat to Rally Mode yet. And since it's not completely broken in yet, I don't even know that I can.

Yesterday we were having a whale of a time at the game when suddenly this guy showed up and handed us tickets to section 120, so we moved our loudness downstairs. Mrs. Hank was in particularly fine form, giving the gears to Loaiza something fierce.

I had a lot of inquiries on how I kept my throat from burning out, so I showed them my giant water bottle.
_Jobu - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#66963) #
Im with you in fearing more hammers will only dilute the power of the true HAMMER OF WISDOM.

Sorry I didnt meet up with you guys earlier, I was with freinds and we snuck down to good seats and they didnt want to leave.

Im going to try and go Thursday, Friday and definatly Sunday this week in case anyone had any ideas.
Mike Green - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#66964) #
COMN for Joe Cowley's record, which was better than I remembered. The Jays used to rough him up pretty well.

His tirade had "Blame Canada" running around in my head. They do say that the south side of Chicago is the "baddest" part of town; I thought it meant the obvious, but I'm having second thoughts.

And hey Craig, I like both Chicago and Winnipeg.
_Cristian - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 12:46 PM EDT (#66965) #
Personally, I found Chicago to be a very underrated city (though I didn't spend much time on the south side). I had a blast there. I had more fun in Chicago than I did in New York. I hate to say it but Chicago beats Toronto hands down.
Craig B - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 01:42 PM EDT (#66966) #
I'm only kidding with the Winnipeg jab. I'm not the best guy to judge either place, since I've hardly spent any time in either. One hears good and bad things about both, like every city...
Mike D - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#66967) #
Chicago's a great city, maybe Toronto's equal. But Cowley sure isn't.

Lest we forget, Joe is the jerk who left Carlos Delgado off his MVP ballot entirely last year, on the grounds that he didn't play for a team in playoff contention. Cowley deigned to waive his self-imposed rule in the case of A-Rod, whom (I think) he placed fourth.

Let's also remember that Cowley placed E-----n L----a and Frank Thomas on his ballot. Oh, and did I mention that the Jays and White Sox both won 86 games? And that the Sox played the '03 Tigers nineteen times, while the Jays played the Yankees and Bosox thirty-eight times?

_The Original Ry - Monday, May 10 2004 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#66968) #
I think we've finally found a baseball writer who is more negative about the Blue Jays than Richard Griffin.
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