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Parker, it was agreed later, had crushed the pitch, hitting the ball exactly in its middle with the middle of his bat, so that it flew toward Dauer without any spin - a knuckleball, in short, which took a sudden and characteristic knuckleball veer at the last instant and skipped free. Tim Foli, running toward second, was the nearest witness, and he said later, "I could see the seams of the ball, so I knew what had happened. It was so strange to see a ball hit that way, and hit so hard, that I yelled 'Look out!' as it went by me. Dauer never had a chance."
-- Parker's seventh inning single off Jim Palmer to break up a scoreless tie in Game 6 of the 1979 World Series. in Roger Angell, Late Innings

Dave Parker had been ill with Parkinsons for more than a decade and he knew his time was running out. He had reached a point where he simply hoped to live long enough to make it to Cooperstown for his Hall induction next month, or failing that, to at least hear his son accept the honour on his behalf. It didn't work out that way, and that's sad. At least he knew his name had been called. He was one of those guys, like Jim Rice or Dizzy Dean, whose Hall case isn't really about his career numbers - it's about how freaking awesome he was at his peak. And at his peak, Dave Parker was really awesome. As a hitter, he was a little like a left-handed Vladdy Jr, but better. Someone who was not really a slugger, but a guy who was so big and so strong and who hit the ball so hard that a few of them couldn't help going over the fence. Parker was even bigger than Vladdy - which made him simply enormous compared to your average 1970s ballplayer - and when he was young and trim he ran well enough to steal 20 bases while also possessing the most feared outfield arm of his time.

He had his last truly great season in 1979, when he was 28. A taste for cocaine knocked him off track, along with knee problems. But he was good enough to hang around until he was 40, finishing up with a September cameo with the 1991 Blue Jays. Which brings us, by a commodious vicus of recirculation, to Don Mattingly. Because if Dave Parker and Jim Rice are in the Hall, it might be hard to keep Mattingly out.

The classic Hall of Fame career path is based on being a great player, with an clear and obvious peak, in your 20s and then being good enough when you're past your peak to accumulate some impressive career numbers as well. Dave Parker took that usual path - he was a great player in his 20s, and he played until he was 40. Mattingly was a little more like Rice - neither hung around long enough to add to his career totals.  Mattingly retired at 34 with 2,153 Hits, 222 HRs, and a .307/.358/.471 slash line, an OPS+ of 127. Parker, through his age 34 season, had 1,850 Hits, 216 HRs, a slash line of .304/.352/.492 and an OPS+ of 130. Mattingly was an even better defensive player than Parker, though at a less important position. (Rice was a better hitter, but merely a competent defender compared to either.)

Well, I don't know what the standards are, I don't know where the line is drawn. I know Jose Bautista has a six year peak that's more impressive than either Parker or Mattingly or Rice - but Bautista hit his peak so late (he did nothing whatsoever until he turned 29) that there was no time left to pad his career stats once his peak had passed. He's only going to Cooperstown to visit. Rice is there, Parker will be inducted in a few weeks, and I now expect Mattingly's turn will come.

Mattingly, of course, was a Yankee lifer, spending his entire playing career in pinstripes, and no sports franchise has as many of those guys as the Yankees. The Boston Celtics can field a team at least (Russell, Bird, Havlicek, McHale, Heinsohn, Lewis, Sam Jones, K.C. Jones) and the Montreal Canadiens have the beginnings of an impressive roster (Beliveau, the Rocket, the Pocket Rocket, Cournoyer, Lemaire, Gainey, Joliat, Lach, Blake, Laperriere, Bouchard, Durnan, Dryden, Price) although it gets very thin on the blueline. But the Yankees are something else altogether:

Catcher - Thurman Munson. It's actually awfully hard to choose between Munson and Bill Dickey - they're about as close as two players could be. Jorge Posada is a distant third, and Posada was quite a player.

First base - Lou Gehrig was merely the greatest first baseman the world has seen so far. It's no disgrace for Don Mattingly to take a seat behind him. Joe Collins was kind of Mattingly-lite.

Second base - Tony Lazzeri maybe isn't quite a Hall of Famer, though he was inducted long ago. He was awfully good. Bobby Richardson couldn't carry Lazzeri's bat, but he was a wonderful defender.

Third base -  Gil McDougald. Obviously Alex Rodriguez and Graig Nettles were the greatest third basemen in team history but neither is eligible here. Red Rolfe is, but he only had a few good (very good!) seasons. McDougald only played third base full time in his first few seasons- he was a superb infielder wherever you put him, and Stengel put him everywhere, with full seasons at second base and shortstop.

Shortstop - Derek Jeter, obviously. But Phil Rizzuto and Tony Kubek were very good players as well and Frankie Crosetti was a good glove for a long time.

Right field - Tommy Henrich started late, was platooned when he came up, and lost three years to the war. He did hit .282/.382/.491 for his career along with the first walk-off homer in World Series history. Huntsville's own George Selkirk started late, retired young, and was likewise platooned by McCarthy. Not quite as good as Henrich, I think. He may have to move over for Aaron Judge some day. I don't think they're going to let him get away. 

Centre field - Mickey Mantle at his peak was about as great a player as it's possible to be. Before him, they had a fellow named Joe DiMaggio. Before him they had another Hall of Famer, Earle Combs. Since Mantle, they've had Bernie Williams.

Left field - Roy White was a wonderful player, who came up in the CBS era but stayed long enough to play with Reggie and Thurman. He was better than Brett Gardner, who was pretty good himself.

Pitchers - Whitey Ford, Mel Stottlemyre, Ron Guidry, Spud Chandler, Atley Donald, Mariano Rivera.

That's 28 players I've singled out with the bold type, who never played a game for any other team (and the franchise actually has others, who simply weren't good enough to bother mentioning.) And of those 28 immortals and near-immortals, Don Mattingly has a distinction all his own.

He never played in a World Series. He's the only one. 

So surely, it's up to the Blue Jays to get him there.

Matchups!

Mon 30 June - Rodon (9-5, 2.92) vs Scherzer (0-0, 5.63)
Tue 1 July - Fried (10-2, 1.92) vs Gausman (6-6, 4.21)
Wed 2 July - Warren (5-4, 4.37) vs Berrios (4-3, 3.26)
Thu 3 July - Schmidt (4-4, 3.09) vs Bassitt (7-4, 4.29)
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92-93 - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#462593) #
Is it even possible to construct such a team for our Jays?
Magpie - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#462596) #
Garth Iorg would have to play,,, everywhere! Him and Danny Ainge.

There are a few pitchers - Ricky Romero, Jerry Garvin, Jesse Carlson, Mike Willis. All southpaws, strangely enough.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#462597) #
sounds like they're not gonna pay up for a top of the rotation SP.


Keegan Matheson
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Ross Atkins says the #BlueJays have been looking to add a right-handed bat. Pitching depth sounds like another priority ahead of the deadline.

He adds that the Jays have had ownership support financially all along and that they should be able to “continue to flex that muscle.”
greenfrog - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#462598) #
Probably because there isn’t one available.

If they acquired Suarez, a #4 SP, and an elite reliever (like Duran), I would be pretty happy.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#462599) #
this sounds slightly different:


Shi Davidi
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Based on what Blue Jays already have in-house, Atkins said the opportunity to add is "probably on the run prevention side, more just from a depth standpoint. If we can score more, we'll look to do that. ...


Shi Davidi
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Atkins cont: "Adding a right-handed hitter to our team is something we've been trying to do internally and considered external alternatives, as well. But on the run-prevention side, it's probably going to come from pitching, as good as our defence has been."
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 03:41 PM EDT (#462600) #
Shi Davidi
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Ross Atkins said Anthony Santander suffered a left shoulder subluxation (partial separation) when he crashed into the wall in Anaheim in May.

"He tried to play through some pain and got to the point where it seemed like it wasn't the best thing to do," said Atkins.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#462601) #
Lineup vLHP Rodon

SS Bichette
3B Clement
1B Guerrero
C Alejandro
DH Springer
RF Barger
CF Straw
LF Schneider
2B Wagner


Gimenez sitting vs the lefty. Worth keeping an eye on.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 03:57 PM EDT (#462602) #
worth noting they could have had the same lineup with Springer in RF, Barger at 3B, Clement at 2B, and Wagner at DH.
92-93 - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#462603) #
So Wagner gets called up and sits against two righties (with Clement playing 1B in one of the games), only to then start vs. one of the best lefties in baseball.

Springer clearly likes DHing, so that could be why we see today's defensive alignment as opposed to the other one suggested.
greenfrog - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 04:20 PM EDT (#462604) #
Rodon has been excellent on the road (and very good generally) this year, so a tough matchup for Toronto tonight.

Vladdy has excellent career numbers against Rodon (1.817 OPS), so maybe he can be a difference-maker today. Springer has hit Rodon well, too (.865 OPS).
Gerry - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#462606) #
Bo scratched with knee discomfort.
Gerry - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 05:28 PM EDT (#462607) #
Tony Kubek mention.....loved him as a commentator too.
Marc Hulet - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 05:31 PM EDT (#462608) #
Right knee issues again for Bo. Not good...
92-93 - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#462609) #
Ugh, that sucks in front of a big series against the Yankees. Hopefully it's just precautionary.

This injury moves Schneider to 2B. If he looks okay defensively, it will open up a lot more lineup options for the manager.
christaylor - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#462610) #
No great, but we all ought to be OK with resting him against the Yankees. It is not even July yet.
Gerry - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 05:43 PM EDT (#462611) #
I was thinking about the trade deadline today. Assuming no injuries to the starters (and 3 of the starters have been very healthy), what would the Jays do with another starting pitcher? I don't think they are dropping Lauer unless they get an ace but I don't think there will be aces available. So if they picked up a 3 or 4, would they bump someone or put the new guy in the bullpen until needed as a starter.

When it comes to be post season I know baseball is ruthless but I don't know how it would play in the clubhouse if one of Berrios, Gausman, Bassitt or Scherzer were bumped from the playoff starters schedule. The first three have been loyal servants for several years and have the respect of the clubhouse.

And that is the Jays post season problem. The Jays rank middle to low middle for starters ERA. While they are all good, none rise to the ace level. So in a playoff series the Jays will be counting on third and fourth level pitchers to get them a win. That has been the Jays post season Achilles heel and it looks like it could continue.
Glevin - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#462612) #
Agree with Gerry that it doesn't make much sense anyway to acquire a starter who isn't obviously better than what Jays already have. Unless that is, they are under contract longer term in which case, it makes sense for different reasons. As of right now, don't see that top of rotation guy out there.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 06:25 PM EDT (#462613) #
Gerry my thoughts there would be that Scherzer might be the guy to move to the 'pen if we were to add a top rotation SP.

Someone else here pointed out that his stuff isn't necessarily the kind that would play up in the bullpen anymore - but i would think that everybody's stuff plays up in the bullpen.
pooks137 - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 06:31 PM EDT (#462614) #
I just don't think you can count on thw current starting 5 to either be effective or healthy for the entire 2nd half od the season. Realistically, it's only been the last week where the team is actually rolling an intact starting five consecutively.

Maybe the Jays don't need a #1 or #2, but they do need more SP depth to get them through the 2nd half of the year competitively.

Scherzer really can't be counted on at all. Even if he can remain healthy for the 2nd half, there's no guarantee he can remain effective at 40 and banged up.

Bowden Francis is likely gone for the year.

There's no guarantee that Alek Manoah can return this year as a MLB starter.

Eric Lauer has been an amazing story but is due for major regression. And the coaches barely trust him to go 4-5 innings.

Bassitt and Gausman are getting old.

Berrios has been a machine but also has had rough stretches in past years.

The Jays could use a swingman type who can be stashed in the bullpen. Or someone better than Scherzer/Lauer who could push Lauer back to being a swingman himself if everyone ia healthy.
99BlueJaysWay - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#462615) #
While it’s not true that a lack of frontline starters has been the Jays’ Achillles heel in previous years*, I do agree it’s a problem now. That’s why I have my fingers crossed for Manoah.

* in both 2022 and 2023 the Jays had two starters collect Cy Young votes, both times with one of their starters finishing 3rd

uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 07:20 PM EDT (#462616) #
then again, maybe we have an Ace already!
electric carrot - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#462617) #
seems odd they would put Ned Flanders at 2nd and have Wagner DH. I would presume that Wagner was the better defensive choice -- and it's not like he's been overused.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#462618) #
maybe Max and the Jays were just faking the injury. had it set up all along that he would rest for the first half.
greenfrog - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#462619) #
Maybe Schneider is at 2B so that the manager can use Gimenez at 2B later in the game (possibly as a PH against a RHP), while keeping Wagner’s bat in the lineup throughout the game.
greenfrog - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#462620) #
Huge half-inning right here.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#462621) #
Max definitely not shying away from this matchup!
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#462622) #
MAX POWER!

gets him again!
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#462623) #
lol.

and there's the benefit of hitting in a lineup with Judge in it, even if he's not behind you and not on base.

After the huge 2nd K Max relaxes and grooves the first pitch for Chisholm and it's outta here.
greenfrog - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 08:12 PM EDT (#462624) #
Devastating home run after that fantastic pitch to strike out Judge. But this game isn’t over yet.
uglyone - Monday, June 30 2025 @ 08:17 PM EDT (#462625) #
nice battle from the bottom of the order both times through. lots of rodon pitches used up there.
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