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I think it's easy enough to understand the Texas Rangers basic plan for 2025. We're about to see it for ourselves, up close and personal.

That plan is simply to turn Jakob de Grom and Nathan Eovaldi loose on the opposition. In a short series, you could happily take your chances with that. 

The thing is, you kind of need to make it to the post-season for the plan to work as designed. And while the Yankees have thoughtfully come sliding back to the pack, and the Rangers are somehow just 3.5 games out of the last Wild Card, there's still a bit of a hill to be climbed, a couple of teams that need to be passed.

The Rangers' problem this year is not a new one. There's an enormous difference in how well they play at home in the Texas heat, and how well they play on the road. They only moved into Globe Life Field in 2020, and it's too soon to really come to any conclusions about the park's effect on the game (I'd want them to get to about 1,000 games there, and they've just passed 400.) While their previous home, the Ballpark in Arlington, was a notorious hitter's heaven, Globe Life has, so far, had a fairly neutral effect on offense (in fact, all of the really extreme parks these days are in the Other League, with the exception of the pitcher's paradise in Seattle.)

But still, something weird is going on. Coming into this season, the Rangers had played .508 ball (180-174) at Globe Life, and just .390 (138-216) on the road. As Home-Road splits go, that's freaking enormous. A difference in winning percentage of .119 (there was some Excel rounding in the previous figures!) is huge - only the Colorado Rockies, proud owners of the largest Home-Road split in the history of the universe, can top that.

And the Rangers are doing it again this year. Let's rank the AL teams by the difference in their performance at Home and on the Road. Teams normally win more often at home than on the road (unless they've been forced into playing in a minor league park by an Owner with a Plan), and the normal historical difference is about .80 - the home team plays .540 ball, the road team plays .460 ball.
                   HOME                ROAD        
Team    W  L  PCT        W    L  PCT    DIFF
                                    
A's    24  36  .400        30  33  .476    -.076
Cleveland    31  28  .525        32  29  .525     .001
Kansas City    30  29  .508        30  32  .484     .025
Tampa Bay    32  30  .516        27  33  .450     .066
Houston    37  25  .597        31  28  .525     .071
Los Angeles    33  30  .524        26  32  .448     .076
Detroit    39  24  .619        32  28  .533     .086
Baltimore    30  30  .500        25  36  .410     .090
Seattle    37  25  .597        30  30  .500     .097
Chicago    26  36  .419        18  41  .305     .114
New York    37  25  .597        27  32  .458     .139
Minnesota    32  26  .552        25  38  .397     .155
Toronto    40  20  .667        31  31  .500     .167
Texas    37  26  .587        24  35  .407     .181
Boston    39  22  .639        27  34  .443     .197

Only the Red Sox - who actually play in the league's weirdest ballpark - have a bigger Home-Road split than the Rangers. And while the Blue Jays are indeed next on the list for biggest Home-road splits, I think the Jays' situation is completely different. After all, only three teams in the AL have a better road record than the Blue Jays. 

Park effects over a single season can be extremely random - 80 games or less is a very, very Small Sample. It's about as meaningful as a week's worth of Plate Appearances. But in 2025, Globe Life has played like one of the best pitcher's parks in the game. Only T-Mobile in Seattle (naturally) has seen a bigger decline in Runs Scored and Allowed in a team's home games. Well, that's how it is at T-Mobile, the Mariners have been there for a quarter century, they've played 2,000 games there. But Globe Life, in its brief history, had so far played as a neutral park, with a tiny edge to the offense. The Rangers had actually scored and allowed (barely) more runs at home than on the road. But not this year. And especially not when it comes to run prevention.

Here is everybody ranked by how much offense they lose when they're at home.

RUNS SCORED PER GAME            
Team    HOME    ROAD    DIFF
            
Seattle        4.113    4.983    -.870
Kansas City    3.407    4.113    -.706
Texas          3.857    4.271    -.414
Houston        4.145    4.542    -.397
A's            4.383    4.460    -.077
Cleveland    4.000    4.049    -.049
Tampa Bay    4.548    4.400     .148
New York    5.145    4.966     .179
Los Angeles    4.508    4.328     .180
Chicago    3.935    3.695     .241
Minnesota    4.345    4.000     .345
Detroit    4.968    4.583     .385
Boston    5.262    4.803     .459
Toronto    5.133    4.565     .569
Baltimore    4.983    3.525    1.459


The Rangers are scoring more runs when they hit the road. Their offense hasn't pickled up as much as those of the Mariners or Royals, but those teams do play in the best pitcher's parks left in the league. 

Unfortunately for the Rangers, something similar, but on steroids, has befallen their pitchers. Here is everybody ranked by how many more runs they're giving up in the road games.

RUNS ALLOWED PER GAME            
Team    HOME    ROAD    DIFF
            
Texas    3.016    4.203    1.188
Seattle    3.887    4.633     .746
New York    3.952    4.695     .743
Boston    4.016    4.525     .508
Toronto    4.233    4.694     .460
Tampa Bay    4.032    4.217     .184
Chicago    4.355    4.508     .154
Los Angeles    4.905    5.017     .112
Kansas City    3.864    3.903     .039
Detroit    4.159    4.150  -.009
Baltimore    5.017    4.902    -.115
Cleveland    4.356    4.066    -.290
Houston    4.129    3.797    -.332
Minnesota    4.638    4.270    -.368
A's    5.717    4.794    -.923


Well. Any sensible and rational observer, with a gift for spotting the Bleeding Obvious, would confidently assert that the Texas Rangers are a bad road team because their pitchers go into the tank when they leave the comforts of home behind. 

I don't want to say that. I know no better way to guarantee that de Grom, Eovaldi, and their friends will completely shut down the Jays' offense. I know the awesome power I wield, I strive to use it for good.

But I don't know what to tell you!

I can point out that the Rangers road issues don't have a whole lot to do with the three starters we'll see this weekend - they've combined to post a 2.64 ERA at home, and 3.07 on the road. Granted, much of that has happened because Nathan Eovaldi has been ridiculous, awesome, absolutely unhittable when he gets out of Texas (7-3, 1.26) but de Grom and Corbin have both been good enough on the road.

Matchups

Fri 15 Aug - de Grom (10-5, 2.86) vs Bassitt (11-6, 4.17)
Sat 16 Aug - Corbin (6-8, 4.00) vs Lauer (7-2, 2.82)
Sun 17 Aug - Eovaldi (10-3, 1.71) vs Berrios (9-4, 2.74)
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vw_fan17 - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 11:57 AM EDT (#466256) #
The Rangers are losing a significant amount of offense when they hit the road - not as much as the Mariners or Royals, but those teams do play in the best pitcher's parks left in the league.

Am I reading the tables wrong? Texas scores more runs on the road (4.271 vs 3.857) at home? Aren't they GAINING 0.414 runs per game on road, just that their starters are giving up 1.1888 more runs per game?
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#466257) #
Am I reading the tables wrong?

Probably not. Just made some fixes. I can never seem to proof these things properly until they're actually up and visible.
John Northey - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#466258) #
This will be an interesting series - a middle of the road team instead of a playoff bound one (ala SFG/Yankees/Detroit/Cubs/LAD) or a team that looks like a AAA team (Colorado/Baltimore). This is like the KC series. A team struggling to sneak into the playoffs, likely to be slaughtered if they get there but youneverknow.

Looking at their lineup - Joc Pederson is one who many here wanted the Jays to sign, thankfully Atkins didn't - $21 mil for a 64 OPS+ DH. Yikes. At 1B Jake Burger with a 95 OPS+ an ugly but not super-ugly result. Their catcher Jonah Heim is at 74 (84 lifetime so not a shocker). But ex-Jay Marcus Semien having an 88 is a surprise after 3 solid years there (knew those final years of his contract could be a disaster for Texas - not at that point yet, but any more regression and it will be, 3 years left at $26 mil per).
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 12:37 PM EDT (#466259) #
In case you were wondering, there is in fact a batting eye/backdrop problem in Seattle:) It sure makes player evaluation a problem for their franchise.
uglyone - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 12:40 PM EDT (#466260) #
Are home/road splits getting more severe in general?

Is every team cheating at home now?
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 01:01 PM EDT (#466263) #
Are home/road splits getting more severe in general?

Well, this year AL teams are playing .550 ball at home, which is slightly higher than the historical .540 level. But during the first four years of this very decade, AL teams played just .522 ball at home.

It will vary from year to year - it's one of those things where any single season is a Small Sample.
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#466264) #
It sure makes player evaluation a problem for their franchise.

That's always the problem with any extreme park, from old Fenway to the Astrodome to Coors. Evaluating your own talent, and simply figuring out what you need to do to win. Lots of teams in those types of parks have struggled.

Of course, the Yankees used to play in one of the most extreme pitcher's parks of all time, and they cracked the code for their park almost instantly (LH pitchers and LH power, which works pretty well in most places, come to think of it.)
ISLAND BOY - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 01:07 PM EDT (#466265) #
The Man in White is doing his job for the Jays this year.
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 01:15 PM EDT (#466266) #
I totally agree Magpie that park distortions are always a problem but many of them are unique park features that let you tailor your club to the attributes of the park. The Red Sox can load up on RH sluggers and LH contact hitters that go the other way/pound the Green Monster and go from there. In Seattle's case, its a batting eye problem that is distorting things. For example, do you want to pay Julio Rodriguez to be the 91 wRC+ that he is at home or the mega superstar 148 wRC+ that he is on the road. And if you pay him at the upper end are you getting the kind of value from that contract when he simply can't hit at home? Its tricky.
scottt - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 01:30 PM EDT (#466267) #
44000 men in white every home games.
scottt - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#466268) #
The biggest distortion is the prospects playing in the PCL.
dalimon5 - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#466272) #
Has anybody mentioned that Addison Barger leads the AL in RBI since Canada Day? He's been instrumental to this teams turn around as much as George. His emergence has created presence which Santander was supposed to provide.
vw_fan17 - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 04:13 PM EDT (#466273) #
If the Red Sox load up on hitters who can bang 'em off the Green Monster, are they sacrificing too much when not at home? Myles Straw could probably do pretty well there with his warning track power..
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 05:01 PM EDT (#466275) #
are they sacrificing too much when not at home?

That was basically what the Red Sox did for fifty years! But even Weaver's Orioles... while they always had elite infield defense, the corner outfielders generally weren't the most mobile players. This didn't matter at all at old Memorial Stadium, but when they went into some of those big turf parks on the road, they were completely screwed.
Mike Green - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 05:17 PM EDT (#466276) #
I wondered how the Orioles did against the Royals when they were both very good in the late 70s. The O's went 25-32 vs. the Royals from 1975-79. So that didn't work out too well for them.

Of course, the American League was slow to get on the turf bandwagon but when it came time to get to the World Series, you'd be seeing a turf team most of the time.
uglyone - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#466277) #
Interested to see how Bassitt does tonight. He's been pitching his way out of the rotation lately, but that may or may not be a fluke HR surge. Not sure i'm too bothered because tbh he fits a long man role very well too. Rangers can hit too.
scottt - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#466278) #
Rangers are 28th in average, OBP and OPS.
uglyone - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 05:50 PM EDT (#466279) #
Keegan says Springer is good to DH again tonight, and after the game he and tonight's starting pitcher Bieber will hop in a car and drive to Toronto, with both their next starts coming with the big club.
uglyone - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 06:13 PM EDT (#466280) #
Rest of season rotation if they stick with 5 man rotation.

Number = Days of rest


A15 Bassitt 5
A16 Lauer 5
A17 Berrios 4
A18 Gausman 4
A19 Scherzer 4
A20 Bassitt/Bieber 4
A21 Off
A22 Lauer 5
A23 Berrios 5
A24 Gausman 5
A25 Scherzer 5
A26 Bassitt/Bieber 5
A27 Lauer 4
A28 Off
A29 Berrios 5
A30 Gausman 5
A31 Scherzer 5
S1 Bassitt/Bieber 5
S2 Lauer 5
S3 Berrios 4
S4 Off
S5 Gausman 5
S6 Scherzer 5
S7 Bassitt/Bieber 5
S8 Off
S9 Lauer 6
S10 Berrios 6
S11 Gausman 5
S12 Scherzer 5
S13 Bassitt/Bieber 5
S14 Lauer 4
S15 Berrios 4
S16 Gausman 4
S17 Scherzer 4
S18 Bassitt/Bieber 4
S19 Lauer 4
S20 Berrios 4
S21 Gausman 4
S22 Off
S23 Scherzer 5
S24 Bassitt/Bieber 5
S25 Lauer 5
S26 Berrios 5
S27 Gausman 5
S28 Scherzer 5

Bassitt/Bieber 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 5
Lauer 5 5 4 5 6 4 4 5
Berrios 4 5 5 4 6 4 4 5
Gausman 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 5
Scherzer 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 5


And of course Scherzer and Gausman could easily skpi those last starts to line up for playoff starts.


Might be useful to stick a 6th starter in around september 14th there but other than that not sure that a 6 man rotation with a short and already overworked bullpen is the best option down the stretch.
scottt - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 06:19 PM EDT (#466281) #
As long as they get buy in from the starters, I don't see a problem. The issue with the Berrios/Kikuchi tandem was that the players weren't expecting it and committed to it.
uglyone - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:27 PM EDT (#466283) #
Springer oppo field HR
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#466284) #
What a play by Lukes and a great tag by Clement as well. Bassitt continues to look shaky
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#466285) #
Jack Leiter looks exactly like his dad, doesn't he?
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:38 PM EDT (#466286) #
Bassitt looks awful. Bieber May need to be good when he arrives.
Hodgie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#466287) #
Don't think we need to worry about a six-man rotation.
Marc Hulet - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:48 PM EDT (#466288) #
At least everyone knows early that they can do something else tonight.

No long-man means Bassitt will have to get pummeled for 4-5 innings.
Hodgie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:52 PM EDT (#466289) #
I plan on continuing to watch just to see how long Degrom can sit 99-100 before his arm literally falls off. Totally normal thing for a 37-year-old to be doing - the man is a freak.
Gerry - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#466290) #
Buddy Kennedy we hardly knew ya....claimed by the Dodgers today.
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#466291) #
In a world where you could hang around there’s a chance against the Rangers pen but I don’t see Bassitt being able to hang around.
greenfrog - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 08:16 PM EDT (#466292) #
At least Alcantara is shutting down the Red Sox (for now). 1-0 Miami in the 5th inning. Alcantara has thrown 4 perfect innings on 40 pitches.
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 08:29 PM EDT (#466293) #
The upside is that they have made deGrom throw over 70 pitches through 4.
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 09:19 PM EDT (#466294) #
And yet... Bassitt hung around, didn't get pummelled and we may have a ballgame.
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#466295) #
Or maybe not.
greenfrog - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#466296) #
Or maybe.
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#466297) #
Regardless of how this turns out this is how you adapt to a serious starting pitching mismatch.
John Northey - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 09:43 PM EDT (#466298) #
Schneider keeps things going - showing why I was mad last inning when they used Ty France for some bizarre reason - I really, really hope they cut France for Springer. France can't run, can't field anywhere but 1B, and outside of Colorado is a meh hitter at best. To be a pure hitter with no other real assets you need to be a 900+ OPS guy or on a team desperate for offense.
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#466299) #
I mean I don’t want to say I told you so but ….
John Northey - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 09:59 PM EDT (#466300) #
OMG!!!!! Kirk stole a base!!!!
dalimon5 - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:00 PM EDT (#466301) #
Phil Maton would have mowed down the Jays in '23 and '24 including Vlad and Bo.

Unstoppable team now.

Bieber 7IP and 4 SO ... not a regular looking line for him.

Santander now swinging from both sides of the plate and ramping up.
John Northey - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#466302) #
FYI: Kirk does have 5 minor league steals - in '18/'19 at age 19/20.
Eephus - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:02 PM EDT (#466303) #
I really tuned in at the right time for once.
greenfrog - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#466304) #
Hoffman looking nasty tonight. Power and precision.
Magpie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#466305) #
Had em all the way.
Eephus - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#466306) #
This really has been quite a season.
Glevin - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#466307) #
They just keep finding a way to win.
scottt - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:11 PM EDT (#466308) #
Heaven!

Thanks to fruit+ I could only follow the simulated game, but Hoffman was really going right at the cold zones on the hitters'charts.
SK in NJ - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:24 PM EDT (#466309) #
Wow what a team this has turned out to be. Never out of a game. Also kudos to the fans, the atmosphere is electric.
BlueJayWay - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:35 PM EDT (#466310) #
You have to win a game in which Kirk steals a base.
Nigel - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#466311) #
It will be interesting to see how this progresses but Varland sure gives up some hard contact when hitters are able to connect.
greenfrog - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#466312) #
Bieber said he was satisfied with his outing today. He did say that his delivery wasn’t the best. Also that he still has a lot more work to do in his recovery/rehab from his injury. But he said he’s ready for whatever the Blue Jays throw at him next including a start against Pittsburgh on Wednesday if that’s what he’s being asked to do.

Not sure what all that adds up to. Maybe that he feels good overall, but that he’s still not 100%. Maybe this summer/fall will be “pretty good” for Bieber, and 2026 will be “all the way back” for him.
John Northey - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 11:15 PM EDT (#466313) #
Bieber should be a solid choice for the ML staff right now it seems, but I do wonder how the Jays will act with his comment about needing more work to do. Should be interesting to see where it goes. Meanwhile Springer wants to be up yesterday I think.
Katie - Friday, August 15 2025 @ 11:53 PM EDT (#466314) #
Marc's prediction record with respect to the 2025 Jays remains as strong as ever.
Hodgie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#466315) #
Kirk’s HR might be the best swing I’ve seen him take since he got back. If his lower half is back to what it was pre-injury, what a difference maker he can be. Also a mea culpa on Bassitt, he didn’t look great but he battled after that disastrous 2nd. Still think he’s the one to go to the pen though.
vw_fan17 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 01:29 AM EDT (#466316) #
Would have been a lot easier if they hadn't served up a gopherball to Higashioka with 2 runners on. I guess Ryan Mountcastle was not in the building?!? Why oh why would you pitch to him in that spot - he's a Jays killer..

OTOH, some great defense by Lukes kept it from going really bad early, and the guys just kept doing their thing. As someone noted: after an 11 pitch (IIRC) 1st, they made deGrom throw ~20 pitches in each of the next 3, and got him out of the game in time to get to the Ranger's bullpen. Let's do more of that tomorrow!
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 02:31 AM EDT (#466317) #
I do really like Bautista, EE and Gibbons but aside from that I now like the '25 Jays more than the 15/16 roster.
Michael - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 03:53 AM EDT (#466318) #
It certainly is fun to have a very good team. I know "clutch" mostly isn't a thing, but Bichette makes one want to believe as he seems to nearly always deliver when runners are in scoring position.
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 06:52 AM EDT (#466319) #
Why oh why would you pitch to [Higashioka] in that spot - he's a Jays killer.

That was kind of my thought as well - not the part about pitching to him, the top of the order was next, and in fact the very next batter hit a double. Still, I thought of Higashioka as a Jays killer, too. But he's hit .190/.203/.397 against Toronto in his career. Huh? I was shocked!

We've been traumatized by a couple of big games - the three HRs he hit against the Jays in a Yankees rout back in 2020, the two homers he hit against the Jays in a 3-1 Yankees win in 2021.
92-93 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#466320) #
No thanks for the biased umpire who walked Vladdy on a clear strike 3, setting up the comeback win?

It’s truly amazing how the Jays grind out these wins.

That’s quite the paraphrase from Bieber. It’s hard to see why they would “rush” him up here, it’s not like they are desperate for a starter right now. That being said it is the Pirates. I just can’t see who you’re bumping from the rotation unless it’s Lauer, and Schneider said last week that a 6-man isn’t ideal.
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#466321) #
That "clear strike" to Vlad only looked like a strike if you follow the zone box which isn't always accurate. It looked inside to me compared to the actual plate.

I believe Bieber has a limit on his rehab time and needs to be called up.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 10:29 AM EDT (#466322) #
Vladdy may have been a bit lucky to have the ball four call go his way. But it was a close/borderline FB up and in. How often is that pitch called a strike? 50% of the time? Maybe less than that?

It's hard for me to decipher Bieber's comments about how he feels. The comments (and the results) in the last couple of weeks have generally been very positive, but it's clear he feels he still has some work to do in his recovery process and/or return to elite starting pitching. On the plus side, the team is still a couple of months away from the postseason, so Bieber has time to continue his rehab and further refine his game. Pete Walker may be able to help with this.
scottt - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 10:32 AM EDT (#466323) #
Probably similar to Scherzer.
He's going to look like a pitcher in April trying to find his midyear form.
scottt - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#466324) #
In 23, Texas won 90 games in route to a World Series. When the came to Toronto, the Jays were unable to contain them.

Thy struggled last year and now have one of the worst offense. Seager had a 1.013 OPS at 29 but .826 at 31. Semien, .826 at 32 but .652 at 34. Garcia, .836 at 30 but .655 at 32.

Houston keeps contending by letting free agents walk rather than overpay for past performances.

dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 11:02 AM EDT (#466325) #
I just noticed that Bieber is from the OC. I didn't realize this. Seems like he will likely land in California on a deal with the Angels or Dodgers if I made a guess. I was hopeful Toronto would extend him but California players always seem to want to go back to West Coast and both of those teams need SP next year.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 11:36 AM EDT (#466326) #
Even though he doesn’t throw hard, Bieber has a 10.23 K/9 and 2.01 BB/9 for his career, which is really excellent. Also, he was drafted 122nd overall in 2016 — nice job, Cleveland.
scottt - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 11:40 AM EDT (#466327) #
Varsho can be extended. Free agents will be on the market. Bieber has a player option but if he exercise it, things would not have gone well.
Glevin - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 11:53 AM EDT (#466328) #
Knew they were going to option Loperfido and keep France. I just have such a hard time seeing what France brings. League average offense at 1B/DH when your 1B and DH are your two best hitters and also both RH just doesn't bring a lot of value. I assume it means more Springer in OF which makes your a worse defensive team for what exactly?
greenfrog - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#466329) #
Today’s lineup:

Springer DH
Schneider LF
VGJ 1B
Bichette SS
Kirk C
Varsho CF
Clement 3B
Straw RF
Gimenez 2B

Good defensive lineup, with an offensive upgrade in Springer.
Cracka - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#466330) #
Depth. It was the obvious move at this point in the season - you don't cut someone that you might need later unless you absolutely have to. Loperfido will be back in two weeks when the rosters expand...
greenfrog - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:07 PM EDT (#466331) #
Also, today’s lineup has had a lot of success against Corbin in the past.
Marc Hulet - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:08 PM EDT (#466332) #
Do you risk Springer with more outfield time - given both the recent concussion and the risk of other injury given how important his bat seems to be to the lineup?

It would certainly be questionable to give more OF time but I guess it unfortunately makes sense.

The front office seems to always be hesitant to admit their mistakes on player acquisitions by having them stick around too long and I'm guessing the only thing that gets France off the team is if Santander shows up in mid-to-late September and everyone else is healthy.

You also don't want France to get cut and then show up on a roater in New York, Boston, Milwaukee or LA. Any movement of a player to a potential playoff opponent runs the risk of providing valuable intel.
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:20 PM EDT (#466334) #
Knew they were going to option Loperfido and keep France.

Me too. It's the obvious way to proceed. They can always bring Loperfido back in two weeks. If they kept him they'd have to DFA France, and there's a good chance someone would grab him for nothing - hey, he's hitting .316/.381/.421 since the team left Colorado. And then who's the next man up for September? Clase?
Spifficus - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#466335) #
Keeping France gives them a RH bench bat. It's not really power, but there are times when his lower K rate makes him a better choice than Schneider.

If Straw had options, I think it could have been a different choice. In the playoffs, I'd guess that Loperfido would be sticking around.
Hodgie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:35 PM EDT (#466336) #
For what it is worth, pitch tracking in Baseball Savant had the pitch to Guerrero a clear ball above the zone.
Nigel - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#466337) #
I’d have kept Loperfido (he’s just more useful to roster flexibility) but it’s hard to knock keeping France given he has (surisingly) not sucked since his acquisition.
SK in NJ - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#466338) #
The Jays don't have a backup 1B, so I think that played a part in France staying as well. The biggest reason is likely options. Loperfido could be sent down so he's likely back up in a couple of weeks anyway. I doubt Springer will play the OF any more than he did previously. France hasn't been used as an everyday player even with Springer out. He's likely seen as a bench bat to pinch hit and occasionally get Vlad off his feet.
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 12:44 PM EDT (#466339) #
Today’s lineup

Springer leading off for the first time all season? In Game 124?

Cool.
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 01:00 PM EDT (#466340) #
I don't like Springer leading off. Dude has been a beast not leading off all year so you put him there? I can understand if you want to get Schneider out of the leadoff spot but if Schneider moves down to #2 then what's the point? It's like saying "we think Bo will do more in the clean up spot" compared to George. Not a big problem at the end of the day.

Springer in the OF I definitely don't like. Man is one of the oldest in the league and I've never seen him not go all out for a diving catch if he can. It's just a risk coming off concussion protocol. Just let the guy OPS .900 and do damage in the line up. We don't need his improved D over Schneider.

Loperfido > France
Jonny German - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#466341) #
The front office seems to always be hesitant to admit their mistakes on player acquisitions by having them stick around too long and I'm guessing the only thing that gets France off the team is if Santander shows up in mid-to-late September and everyone else is healthy

Yeah the bum is only hitting .333 / .400 / .472 since the trade, when are they going to admit it was a mistake to acquire him??
92-93 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#466342) #
The answer to your question, Glevin, is so they never need to play Clement at 1B again. Loperfido spending a couple weeks in the minors when he wasn’t going to play much anyway is no biggie.
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 01:50 PM EDT (#466343) #
so they never need to play Clement at 1B again.

That too. Not that Clement can't do it, but if he's locked into that spot - which he would be, it means Guerrero is the DH - a lot of the in-game lineup flexibility goes out the window.
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#466344) #
The front office seems to always be hesitant to admit their mistakes on player acquisitions by having them stick around too long

I was merely wondering if there was anyone in particular that you were thinking of.

I think it's seldom a mistake to acquire anyone. These are all really good baseball players, even the ones who are struggling in the moment. Maybe it's possible to unlock something, or to solve a problem. It's worth a shot. And then it takes time to find out. And it always takes more time than anyone would like it to take. It usually takes even more time than that. The margins at this level are extremely fine. And even when you take a reasonable amount of time, you can still get it wrong.

I like to leap to conclusions based on one week, one game, one at bat as much as the next guy. I just wouldn't want the people running a team I cheer for to do likewise.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#466345) #
It seems a bit strange to criticize the front office for their player moves (or lack of moves) in a year when the team has the best record in the AL. The front office is clearly doing a lot of things right lately.

Springer has an .827 OPS against Corbin, which might be part of the reason why he’s hitting leadoff. Maybe also so he doesn’t have a lot of time to think about his first PA after his HHBP (hit in the head by pitch). Just go up there and hit.
Nigel - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 02:19 PM EDT (#466346) #
It’s ok to criticize the FO for its acquisitions - after all, until Scherzer started to pitch better the past offseason’s moves looked pretty disastrous. Just be balanced. They’ve made some excellent acquisitions as well. This idea that if you criticize certain things you aren’t a “good fan” is odd to me. Just try to be as objective as any passionate fan can be:). Point out the good and the bad.
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#466347) #
Nigel where are you getting that message from??? Nobody has said or insinuated anything like that.

Team goes nuts and everything basically works out. Good back to back drafts, improving farm system, first place team, resigned star player...

Some ppl still criticize front office.

Greenfrog asks why and it turns into a defense on the right to criticize the FO without any opposition.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#466348) #
It’s also the cumulative nature of the recent criticisms: the advance scouting is inferior to that of other teams like the LAD, the position player development is substandard, the deadline moves gave away too much prospect talent, the team holds on to its players too long, the Yankees (or Red Sox) are better and will pass the Blue Jays in the standings within two weeks, etc.

I’m not opposed to criticizing this or that move/decision, but the organization is having an incredible year (the Apple TV broadcast crew called it “magical”). There is so much to appreciate and enjoy this season, especially over the last few months. The positives vastly outweigh the negatives at the moment, so I don’t understand the consistently “glass half empty” perspective.
Glevin - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 03:34 PM EDT (#466349) #
The answer to your question, Glevin, is so they never need to play Clement at 1B again"

I mean, Loperfido can play 1B too. 3 games in AAA this year and 13 games in majors and minors last year. That's enough for a guy you'd want to play once every two weeks. Playing Clement was always a choice. I just don't find having a roster spot used for a backup 1B a particularly valuable roster piece and don't really understand what France brings. No defensive versatility, no power, no speed. He's hit well so far but it's a very small sample size with an inflated BABIP and he's been mostly the same hitter each of the last three years so don't think a small sample size matters very much. I get the not wanting to lose depth for a couple of weeks of keeping Loperfido in the minors, I just don't get the whole France thing to begin with. League average hitter who can only play 1B just is a very strange way to use a roster spot.
metafour - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 03:50 PM EDT (#466350) #
The whinging about France even as he has hit for a 149 wRC+ since the trade is comical. Some people need to just admit that they have been wrong to date about the player and move on, and maybe try having some fun watching the team.

It is very obvious that there are quite a few fans who relish in misery. With France, the immediate reaction was: "I don't understand why he was acquired, he sucks". Then he starts hitting, and the reaction is somehow still: "I still don't understand why he was acquired". So its damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Even when the player shows you why the FO had interest in acquiring him, its still this hyper-annoying "yeah well I'm still right" take where apparently Mr. Joe Blow on the internet has concluded the failure of the acquisition and there is nothing the player can do to change that.

Fun fact: France has a higher xwOBA than Lopertfido does. He has a history of being a useful to good MLB hitter. He was clearly acquired because his underlying metrics this season suggest that he was much better at the plate than what his numbers in Minnesota were. He is on the roster because they needed another RH bat off the bench (Straw should never be brought in as a pinch-hitter) and France presents a different look/skillset to Schneider (he has better contact ability and less whiff/strikeout rates but has less power). There is going to be a time when they will want to bring in a RH hitter off the bench under a circumstance where contact is important. No, France isn't an amazing hitter, but this is a CAREER 111 wRC+ hitter in the MLB, yet by the way people are talking you would think they acquired Paul DeJong or something.

Has anyone else even bothered to look at France's Statcast page? He actually has quite a few positive attributes at the plate, which again, is likely why they acquired him.
metafour - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#466351) #
Glevin: France's xwOBA of .342 would be 8th on this team; just ~10 points behind Schneider and Barger. He has an xBA of .269 which is 66th percentile in the league. He is 77th percentile in K%, and 69th percentile in Whiff%. He is also a very very good defender at 1B, even if he "has no positional versatility". This team isn't short on positional versatility, so I'm not sure why it matters that he doesn't bring any.

This is an offense that has vastly exceeded expectations by having an absurd collection of high-contact guys that put the ball in play and annoy opposing pitchers to death. France fits this mold, so I'm not sure why its so puzzling why they would have interest in doubling down on what has made them an elite offensive team.

dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:08 PM EDT (#466352) #
Well argued.
Glevin - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#466353) #
Or maybe we just don't think 40 plate appearances with a .414 BABIP mean very much after 1,500 PAs as a league average hitter.
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:16 PM EDT (#466354) #
Vladdy was slow around the bases there...could be worse but wish he would run non routine fly balls out all the time.
dalimon5 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#466355) #
"Or maybe we just don't think 40 plate appearances with a .414 BABIP mean very much after 1,500 PAs as a league average hitter."

You sound like someone who will argue with me that I need to go get an umbrella because it always rains and the advanced weather trends say it's gonna rain even though it's hot as hell outside and sunny right now. Maybe wait until it starts to rain since your "past and underlying points say this despite what's happening now," approach is out of place.

You're probably right and Ty France is probably terrible but can we please get a week or two off until he actually starts to suck before you let us all know what we've all relatively already discussed and agreed on in the trade deadline thread?

Also, the jays Front Office is smarter than everyone here. They will be wrong many times and still be smarter. There is no perfect AI team that always makes the right decision every single time.

Move on.
Glevin - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#466356) #
The versatility matters because the Jays two best hitters are 1B and DH so there is literally nowhere to play France unless Jays are sitting someone or downgrading defensively to play Springer in OF. Even if he lunch hits he can't go into the game, because you lose Springer or Vlad. His expected OBP is the same as it was 2 years ago when he had a 106 WRC+. A 106 WRC+ backup 1Bman still isn't a good use of a roster spot IMO.
christaylor - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:30 PM EDT (#466357) #
A league average hitter, given the roster, is just fine to give Vladdy a half day off at DH here and there... Every roster needs that sort of fungible player.
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#466358) #
you would think they acquired Paul DeJong or something.

Paul DeJong, of course, has been and continues to be a perfectly solid major leaguer that this front office gave up on after three weeks.

Which was perfectly reasonable - they weren't building around him. They needed him to play well right then and there while Bichette was injured.
mathesond - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#466359) #
If only the team was constructed along the lines of the Lake Wobegon Whippets. No average players on that roster!
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#466360) #
I think one quick Look at baseball Savant gives some pretty clear answers to the Loperfido/France conversation. I continue to be surprised how few contributors here look at these tools.

Also, pointing to France’s babip as a defence for Looerfio is hilarious because Loperfido’s is .473
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#466361) #
Needless to say, Myles Straw has never before hit two homers in a game, or driven in five runs.

We're definitely through the looking glass now.
metafour - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:44 PM EDT (#466362) #
Glevin, so there is no potential use-case for him as a pinch hitter? Why would you create a fictional scenario where the only way for him to be of any use is if he is starting over Vladdy or Springer? You mean to tell me that there is no scenario where a lefty reliever is brought in, and it makes sense to pinch hit France for Lukes or Loperfido (if Schneider is already in the game or was used previously)? France was obviously brought in to pinch hit, not to start over anyone else.

I also knew that someone would immediately jump to the "but but its a small sample size!" argument. He has played 12 games, but in case you forgot: there are only ~38 games left in the regular season after today. So he has already played in ~1/4th of the regular season games that he will play for this team this season. The only thing that matters is how he hits over the relatively small sample size that is the remainder of the 2025 season, and the playoffs. As far as I can tell, he was underperforming his expected results in his ~100 games prior to being acquired, so if he is now over-performing then it would seem to simply be course-correction for the 2025 season. I don't give a damn what he hit for Minnesota if he going to hit at a ~120+ wRC+ pace for the Jays, which is ENTIRELY possible. Some of you seem to forget that France put up 133, 129, and 127 wRC+ seasons over the course of three straight seasons.

You keep saying "league average hitter". Ty France is entirely capable of hitting for ~130 wRC+ over the remainder of this season. He has literally done that over the course of multiple full seasons in his career.
mathesond - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#466363) #
Unrelated to roster construction, I love learning that Jake Burger's mom taught Max Scherzer in high school.
hypobole - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#466364) #
Also, pointing to France’s babip as a defence for Looerfio is hilarious because Loperfido’s is .473

Those numbers are both inflated because of the Jays superior advance scouting. :)

Straw hit 1 HR in over 1100 PA's the past 3 years for Cleveland.
Dewey - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#466365) #
We're definitely through the looking glass now.

Yeah! And it’s great over here. I love it. This is the most fun I’ve had watching the Jays in years. I look forward to the games.
Glevin - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 05:10 PM EDT (#466366) #
Get that run differential back up!
scottt - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 05:16 PM EDT (#466367) #
In the playoffs, Loperfido could be mostly a pinch runner and France a pinch hitter.
SK in NJ - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 05:27 PM EDT (#466368) #
I'm not a France fan at all, but he does have value on this roster as a bench player. He is a RHB that can pinch hit and cover 1B. Not the sexiest profile for a bench player, but it works for this roster given the alternatives. Loperfido only made sense to keep around if he was going to start against RHP, but Schneider doesn't like giving Clement days off much less benching him against RHP, and Joey isn't taking PA's away from Barger/Lukes against RHP, so Loperfido's role would have been greatly diminished. It's fine. Based on the roster configuration, I don't think we have to worry about France getting too many plate appearances, so it's fine, IMO.

More importantly, what a game today so far.
electric carrot - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#466369) #
The thing that is giving me the most hope for the Jays in the playoffs right now is Varsho and Vladdy. Both of them seem unstoppable at the moment. I think that superstar quality is needed against playoff pitching. If it continues, I may even allow myself some hope for them against a team like the Dodgers.
hypobole - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 06:46 PM EDT (#466370) #
Interesting hearing Straw mentioning the players talking about the crowds in the clubhouse.

Jays are 11th in home attendance at just over 33K. But today was the 12th 40K+ in a row after only 7 such crowds in their 50 previous home games.
vw_fan17 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#466371) #
Good defensive lineup, with an offensive upgrade in Springer.

That's a funny way to spell Straw, but we knew what you meant..
vw_fan17 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#466372) #
It almost feels like watching a video game at times..
99BlueJaysWay - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 07:58 PM EDT (#466373) #
Hypobole, I didn’t see this. Can you please elaborate on what was said, or point me to where you saw it?
pooks137 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 08:08 PM EDT (#466374) #
Not hypobole, but Straw mentioned it in his postgame interview with Arden Zwelling.

I wouldn't read too much into it personally. I think it was simply a stock answer.

Zwelling asked Straw what it was like playing in front of 42k regularly at Rogers Centre. Straw replied it was impactful & it extended so far as discussions about it in the clubhouse.
hypobole - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#466375) #
The Straw crowd comment was in the post game interview on Sportsnet.
hypobole - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#466376) #
Stock answer to me was the impactful comment. Him adding it being discussed in the clubhouse is a bit more than stock. At least that's the way I see it.
Nigel - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 08:39 PM EDT (#466377) #
Straw was micced up on the Apple broadcast last night and they caught he and Scherzer in the dugout talking animatedly about how great the crowd support was.
Magpie - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#466378) #
Myles Straw has been more valuable in 2025 than Roki Sasaki?

Through the looking glass...
hypobole - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#466379) #
Myles Straw has been more valuable in 2025 than Roki Sasaki?

One would hope so, since Straw is making more than 8 times as much as Sasaki. :(

I don't gripe much about MLB, but the rule that allowed the Angels and Dodgers to sign Ohtani and Sasaki spits in the face of all the non-west coast teams.
greenfrog - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#466380) #
Think of the two trades that Atkins has been most criticized for: Varsho and Straw. Both trades have arguably turned out to be big wins for the Blue Jays.

pooks137 - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#466381) #
I'd agree that the Varsho & Straw trades are probably the two most contentious contemporary ones for Atkins.

Other historic trades for this FO that I recall tons of flak in real time:

  1. The JA Happ trade receiving Brandon Drury & Billy McKinney. The Jays received no value, but Drury later resurrected his career as a utility guy. I personally thought critics really overvalued the worth of two months of JA Happ.
  2. The Aaron Sanchez/Joe Biagini/Cal Stevenson trade for Derek Fisher. Fisher was hated from Day 1 and never given a chance. The flyball he took off the face really compounded the level of derision. In the end, no real assets on either side.
  3. Marcus Stroman for Simeon Woods-Richardson & Anthony Kay. Vlad & Bo were in their debut years & the team was another season or two from being competitive. Stroman had another year of control after the 2019 deadline (though no one predicted COVID & Marcus would opt out of the 2020 season). A lot of criticism that the Stroman return was too light with only two pitchers coming back & Kay not being highly rated. Woods-Richardson would eventually be cashed in for 1/2 of Berrios. Kay wasn't anything. 2020 Stroman wouldn't have helped the Jays.
John Northey - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#466382) #
greenfrog - great point. No one is complaining about the Varsho trade now - Varsho 1.3 fWAR 146 wRC+, Moreno 1.8 fWAR 105 wRC+ - 2024 V 3.2 vs M 2.5 fWAR. Overall since the trade Varsho 6.4 fWAR vs Moreno 6.6 fWAR. Moreno in just 53 games this year after 97 last year and 111 as a rookie. Varsho's 36 this year so far is his lowest - he'll reach his first call-up next game with #37. 95 was his near full season low (18 games in AAA that year).

A trade that made a TON of sense for both teams and has done well for both.

As to the discussion on the 26th man - I love it, you only get this type of discussion when everything else is going well. If the team was sucking or had a black hole somewhere we'd be talking about that, but instead it is 'who should be the last guy on the bench'. I'm not a fan of France, but I get the desire to have a guy who is good at fielding 1B who can be at least a league average hitter when Vlad needs a day off. IMO this offseason the Jays need to work with Schneider and Loperfido on playing 1B so they can cover it instead when needed, along with LF and 2B for Schneider, all 3 OF for Loperfido. But that is a problem for next year. This year it is 'who do we drop from our solid rotation to make room for Bieber'? and 'who to drop when others get healthy from the pen'? I hate that Nance who has pitched so well might be the odd guy out, Fluharty might be the weakest overall, but had THAT game, the rest don't appear to be guys you send down. But Nance doesn't have options so maybe a phantom injury happens or something.
John Northey - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#466383) #
Fun looking at the standings - Jays up 5 on the Red Sox, 9 on the first team outside of the playoffs (Cleveland). 99.7% odds of making the playoffs, only the Brewers have better odds (99.9%). Who'd have thunk it a few months ago? So much fun.
Geoff - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 10:58 PM EDT (#466384) #
Keegan Matheson had a quote from Straw:
"I talk to guys about how special this team is, how great this city is ... It’s been a blast here. I love this place. I love the people. I love everything about it. I don’t take a day for granted here. I love everything about it."
Nigel - Saturday, August 16 2025 @ 11:34 PM EDT (#466385) #
Straw spent almost all log last year in Columbus. Just to give that quote some context:)
uglyone - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 12:43 AM EDT (#466386) #
It's kinda funny that nobody mentioned that they might have kept France because...he's simply hitting A LOT better than Loperfido since acquired.

Before tonight:

France 40pa 149wrc+ (.414babip)
Loperfido 31pa 97wrc+ (.471babip)
hypobole - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 01:10 AM EDT (#466387) #
Big Padres Dodgers game. 3 of the first 4 Padres outs were caught stealings. Unsurprisingly, they did not attempt to steal again.
92-93 - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 05:51 AM EDT (#466388) #
Presumably because most people find tiny sample sizes to be irrelevant to roster construction, uglyone. If Kennedy had a shiny wrc+ it wouldn’t have made any difference to the Jays’ decision.

uglyone - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 07:07 AM EDT (#466389) #
If anyone has convinced themselves that Loperfido has a significant sample size of success, they don't understand sample size.
hypobole - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 08:01 AM EDT (#466390) #
The Phillies 6 man rotation is over before it started. Zack Wheeler to the IL with a blood clot in his shoulder area.

The Astros will probably be missing Hader for the rest of the regular season. But Yordan Alvarez, who's been out over 3 months, has started facing live pitching. Jays have a 3 game set with them at the RC in just over 3 weeks that may or may not be pivotal.

scottt - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 08:26 AM EDT (#466391) #
The blood clot is a new one, but it's always better to have too much pitching rather than not enough.
Magpie - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 08:50 AM EDT (#466392) #
Was it Matheson who was noting the overall wonder of the slowest guy on the team getting his first career stolen base on Friday being followed by the smallest guy on the team with his first career multi-homer game on Saturday? Makes one wonder what strange things Sunday might have in store.

But I was wondering - is Myles Straw the smallest guy on the roster? It's complicated - he's listed at 5-9, 178. Both Kirk and Varsho, listed at 5-8, are shorter although both weigh more than 200 pounds (Kirk considerably more!). And Clement and Gimenez, both listed at 5-11, weigh even less than Straw. (So does Yariel, if anyone believes he's really 6-0, 165 - I certainly don't.)

Tis a puzzlement.
greenfrog - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 09:27 AM EDT (#466393) #
Straw now has 2.1 bWAR this year, which is really good. He’s been a valuable contributor, including by helping keep the team defense intact when Varsho was sidelined with an injury. The front office has done a good job of finding useful players in unexpected places.


Magpie - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 09:59 AM EDT (#466394) #
Nathan Eovaldi has made 10 starts on the road this season. He's gone 7-3, 1.26 and the obvious question is - how did he lose three games?

No mystery at all. The Rangers supported him with 0, 1, and 0 runs in those three games.
hypobole - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 10:21 AM EDT (#466396) #
Mentioned Boyd having a career year at age 34, now we face a guy having a career year at 35.
bpoz - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#466397) #
I was giving some thought to the rotation for 2026.

Is E Lauer arb eligible or a FA? Should we offer a QO or would that be too expensive?

S Bieber has not pitched much in the majors for 2 years. He probably will be called up soon and then have a short opportunity to prove if he is good. He could take the 2026 player option and then prove if he is good. The Jays could be a good team next year and have great D to help him do well. I doubt that he gets a mega contract based on his 2024/25 performance.
greenfrog - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 10:31 AM EDT (#466398) #
Eovaldi is having a career year, but his xFIP has been fairly consistent (consistently good) in recent seasons:

2021: 3.48
2022: 3.46
2023: 3.96
2024: 3.47
2025: 3.04
scottt - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#466399) #
He's having a career year because he's allowing fewer hits than he's ever done before. That's the one thing FIP doesn't care about.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#466400) #
FWIW, the Statcast numbers suggest that Eovaldi was a tiny bit better in 2021 and had less defensive support/poorer luck. He's a very good pitcher when healthy, of course.

The Blue Jays top 12 position players have all been good, or better than that. How many teams can say that? I am pretty sure that's a first for the Blue Jays, but I'll check.
Magpie - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 12:11 PM EDT (#466401) #
The Blue Jays top 12 position players have all been good, or better than that.

You do have to stipulate that Santander (10th on the team in PApps) isn't one of the 12 (DH more than outfield, on the IL anyway.) Otherwise, this team and the roster that finished the 2015 season probably come closest. The Cox teams and the championship teams usually had at least one deep black hole on offense, usually with names like "Garth" or "Alfredo."
Marc Hulet - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#466403) #
Lauer 100% still has one ARB year left. You can see service time on FanGraphs (it's as of the start of 2025 and will update again at tbe end of the year). 172 days or more ia a full season. He was at 4 years and 111 days to begin 2025.
pooks137 - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 12:41 PM EDT (#466405) #
Lauer's arb case will be interesting.

Fangraphs has him making 1.8 million on his minor league deal. He was at 5 million in his last year in Milwaukee.

MLBTR usually has arb projections in the offseason that are reasonably close.

It's moot because the Jays will be keeping him whatever the price unless he has some sort of non-tender clause in his contract like some of the Asian IFAs do.
Nigel - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#466406) #
Given the likelihood that today’s strategy will have to follow Friday’s, 8 pitches in the 1st isn’t ideal.
Eephus - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 02:33 PM EDT (#466407) #
Old friend Semien seems to miss hitting in his old home park…
lexomatic - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 02:35 PM EDT (#466408) #
It really seems like the Jays have significantly more PitchCom errors than other teams.
Anybody watch/listen to other team broadcasts have thoughts?
Eephus - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#466409) #
Although Berrios doesn’t seem to be fooling many of the Ranger hitters regardless.
Eephus - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 02:44 PM EDT (#466410) #
Geez. If not for all the Rangers outs on bases this might already be a laugher. Anything Berrios leaves in the zone is getting smashed.
ISLAND BOY - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#466411) #
I knew what would happen the minute he said it.

Buck comments as the Jays are trailing 2-1, " One thing about Berrios, he always keeps the score close and gives the Jays a chance to win." Rangers proceed to score three runs on Berrios. Oops.
Eephus - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 02:56 PM EDT (#466412) #
That’s one of the more “excuse me” home runs I’ve seen lately…
Magpie - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 03:00 PM EDT (#466413) #
Buck comments as the Jays are trailing 2-1, " One thing about Berrios, he always keeps the score close and gives the Jays a chance to win."

That's one of those things that, while true, always blows up in your face as soon as you say it out loud. Late last year, I discovered that the Blue Jays had won a greater percentage of their games started by Berrios than any other starter in franchise history (three season minimum.) Naturally, they lost his next two starts.

This year? They're 17-8 when Berrios starts, which only Lauer (11-3) can beat, although in barely half as many games.
pooks137 - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#466414) #
Twins add Genesis Cabrera to the 40-man roster to likely pitch for his 4th MLB club this year.

Corresponding move is to put Alan Roden on the 60-day IL with a thumb sprain, ending his season.

Disappointing 54 game MLB debut season for Roden. The Twins obviously still have 6 years of control & Roden will have other chances to establish himself as a big leaguer.

Disappointing for Roden though that he'll miss the opportunity to show what he's capable of for the last 6 weeks of the season in a low pressure environment with Minnesota playing out the string.
hypobole - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 04:15 PM EDT (#466415) #
Boston was the biggest favourite today with Crochet vs Junk. Crochet held Marlins to 1 run over 7. Marlins win 5-3 after a HR in the 9th to tie it then Steven Matz serves up a 2 run shot.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#466416) #
Berrios has had noticeably over 5 runs/game of support over his career with the Blue Jays. Does his pace of pitching inspire his teammates or is that random luck?

Jim Kaat worked quickly and efficiently, but his teammates do not appear to have been as generous.
hypobole - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#466417) #
Made a couple of posts saying Boyd at 34 and Eovaldi at 35 were having career years. People had to post some "well no, not really" stats. So I figure I might as well do the same thing so no one else has to do it.

Despite their loss today, Jays are still the best team in the AL and 2nd best overall.

Well no, not really. By run differential, Jays are only the 4th best team in the AL and 8th best overall, barely ahead of the Texas Rangers. :)
scottt - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 06:57 PM EDT (#466418) #
The Yankees are just half a game behind Boston and have a much easier schedule.
SK in NJ - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#466419) #
Berrios’ velocity is down and his Stuff+ has continued its yearly decline. I don’t think he has a single pitch that rates as above average at this point. I guess as long as he’s throwing innings and keeping his ERA in the low-4.00’s you can live with it, but he shouldn’t be near a playoff roster.
ayjackson - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 08:04 PM EDT (#466420) #
Think Vlad has his IsoP up to .200. Is that the first time reaching that level this year?
hypobole - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#466422) #
Cinci took a 1-0 lead into the 9th, but Wilson Contreras hit a 2 run homer to put the Brewers on top. Cinci tied it in the bottom of the 9th and walked it off in the 10th. Huge win for Cinci on 3 levels.

First and foremost, moved them within a game of the Mets for the final WC spot. It also snapped the Brewers MLB best 14 game win streak. And finally kept alive Cinci's streak of not being swept in any series this year.

Interestingly, the Brewers have only been swept once - their very 1st series of the season in Yankee Stadium.
Nigel - Sunday, August 17 2025 @ 10:03 PM EDT (#466423) #
There’s lots of time for things to change but right now the playoff options are incredibly simple. Scherzer and pray for rain is plan A. Given there’s a dome it’s Scherzer, Gausman, Lauer and bullpen day.
92-93 - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 05:43 AM EDT (#466425) #
Bassitt is 8-0 at the Dome and the Jays are 11-2 in his home starts this year so you can see them going there too.

These next 9 @PIT, @MIA, and MIN are the underbelly of the remaining schedule. They really need to take advantage and win 6 or 7. Boston and NYY have a four game series in the middle of that stretch.
Ryan Day - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 09:26 AM EDT (#466426) #
I guess as long as [Berrios is] throwing innings and keeping his ERA in the low-4.00’s you can live with it, but he shouldn’t be near a playoff roster.

This seems like an unrealistic view of the pitching talent that's out there. Walker Buehler had a 5.54 ERA in 2024, with pretty similar peripherals to Berrios now, and he started game 3 of the World Series for the Dodgers.

I'm sure most teams would love to have so much quality pitching they could leave a Berrios off the roster, but that's just not the reality. Maybe there's a chance he doesn't start a playoff game, but that assumes Bieber comes back healthy & effective, 40-year-old Scherzer stays healthy & has solved his mystery thumb issue, and Lauer holds up under his heaviest workload since 2022.
Glevin - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 09:29 AM EDT (#466427) #
If it were up to me, I'd have Berrios on IL when Bieber is activated and have him skip a couple of starts and then see if that helps velocity and stuff come back. I think I was watching a different game than other people when Scherzer pitched Sunday because the results were great, but he easily could have given 4-5 runs. The Cubs hit the ball really hard. (8/23 batted balls were hard hit). Not just great D but I a handful of warning track balls. Right now, I'd still take him over Berrios or Bassit though.
greenfrog - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 09:31 AM EDT (#466428) #
Maybe Berrios would be effective out of the bullpen for an inning or two at a time in the postseason? This is something Steve Phillips (TSN) suggested, although he suggested that Berrios could be the closer with Hoffman pitching the eighth inning, which seems highly improbable.
dalimon5 - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 10:41 AM EDT (#466432) #
I'm guessing the FO has a plan similar to this for playoffs:

Bieber will be best (we shall see) and start game 1

Gausman will be babied rest of season and have more juice for game 2 starts

Scherzer and Berrios are game 3 starters with the bullpen coming in second time through the line up. It's essentially the starter for 3-4 innings then bullpen.

Lauer and Bassitt will soak up innings when the games aren't close enough.

Magpie - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 10:46 AM EDT (#466433) #
One of the things that complicates the issue is the fact that the starter whose repertoire is best suited to a relief role, by far, is Gausman. Who is arguably the best starter on the staff.

Whereas both Bassitt and Berrios have classic starter toolkits. Both throw a variety of pitches - and this can sometimes mean there will be days when each has to figure out what he's got going for him on a particular day. Which isn't necessarily what you want from the fellow coming into the game. Neither is really suited to a relief role, and neither has any real experience pitching out of the pen. (Neither does Gausman, but that's not happening anyway.)
Nigel - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 11:45 AM EDT (#466435) #
Gausman does have experience out of the pen (as I mentioned on another thread:)) and has been successful in the playoffs out of the pen. Its when he starts in the playoffs that things don't go so well.
hypobole - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 12:13 PM EDT (#466437) #
Jays brass has a real dilemma with the playoffs starting next week.
scottt - Monday, August 18 2025 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#466438) #
Bassitt pitched one inning out of the pen before the break. There was no issues.
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