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With the season almost over I thought I would review the season from the affiliates perspective. On the field we discover that Nate Pearson is human. Ridge Smith hit a grand slam for Lansing. Kevin Smith and Lourdes Gurriel also had important hits. Teoscar Hernandez hit another home run.

There is an interesting competition between Bo Bichette and Vlad Guerrero as to who will end with the best batting average in high A. Bichette is hitting .338 and Vlad .342 with just a few games left.



Buffalo

This was a disappointing year for Buffalo and marks the third straight year with a losing record. The Jays did sign a number of experienced players to balance out the roster but a combination of under performance and losing players to Toronto sunk those hopes. Winning plays a big part in how Buffalo views the affiliation and the losing seasons are not a good sign. The Bisons best run in recent years was when they were a Cleveland affiliate and Mark Shapiro was the Indians GM. The Bisons finished first in seven of their 14 Indians seasons. I think that link to Shapiro will be a glue in the relationship for a while. Other than winning, attendance is a big factor in the affiliation. The Bisons have been helped by fans coming over from Ontario to see the games and the prospects.

On the field as mentioned performances have been disappointing. Rowdy Tellez and Dwight Smith were the main prospects on the roster to start the season and Tellez has been a sporadic performer while Smith has been steady but not spectacular. The starting pitching was mostly made up of experienced AAAA guys, none of whom exceeded expectations. The recent arrival of Danny Jansen and Chris Rowley is a bit more exciting but its little and late. The Bisons are likely looking at the New Hampshire and Dunedin rosters and hoping to have some of those prospects on hand for a while. Buffalo would be upset if Bo and/or Vladdy jumped from AA directly to the majors. They would want them to get some AAA time to boost marketing and attendance. The Bisons front office will probably make sure that Shapiro and Russ Atkins are aware of this.

On the field the game went to the 12th inning before the Bisons lost. Pawtucket scored four in the top of the ninth and the Bisons answered with a two run home run by Teoscar Hernandez. Hernandez is getting hot at the right time. Rowdy Tellez had two hits, still no home run. Dwight Smith and Jason Leblebijian also had two each.


New Hampshire

New Hampshire and Toronto have been affiliated for all 14 years of the teams existence. The Fisher Cats were strong in 2010 and 2011 with future major leaguers such as Travis D'Arnaud, Anthony Goss, Adeiny Hechavarria, and Henderson Alvarez among others. Since 2011 the Fisher Cats have had a losing season each year with 2017 being one of the worst. The Blue Jays are always second fiddle in Manchester with the Red Sox being the big draw. If the Red Sox ever thought of moving their affiliation from Portland the NH front office would be throwing themselves at Boston like teenage girls at a Ed Sheeran concert.

On paper this was supposed to be a big season with lots of prospects on the roster. The starting pitchers have been OK but ultimately disappointing. Conner Greene, Jon Harris and Sean Reid-Foley have shown flashes but have been inconsistent. Likewise Richard Urena, Max Ramirez, Anthony Alford and Reece McGuire have been below expectations or injured. Like Buffalo, New Hampshire's FO will be applying pressure on the Jays front office to deliver a winning team. Several of those prospects will be back in 2018 and the arrival of Bo and Vlad will be on a clock watch. The Jays will be under more pressure in New Hampshire than in Buffalo and if the demands for a winning team go unfulfilled the affiliation could be under threat.

Conner Greene had one of his not so good performances but the bullpen was outstanding. Harold Ramirez, Gunnar Heidt and Lourdes Gurriel each had two hits. Tim Lopes drove in three runs.


Dunedin

The Dunedin affiliate is owned by the Jays so results technically don't matter. Having said that the Jays are headed for the playoffs with good performances from Bo, Vladdy, Conor Panas, and Jordan Romano.

The Jays were tied in the eighth before their bullpen gave up nine runs in a half inning. Juan Kelly homered while Vlad Jr. was 2-2.


Lansing

The Jays have been tied to Lansing for 13 years. Their best season was 2012 when Sanchez, Syndergaard, Nicolino as well as Andy Burns and Kevin Pillar were there. The team has had an up and down last few sesons. This year the team had a very good first half record with Bo, Vlad and Brad Jones leading the way. It wasn't enough to make the playoffs and their second half has been weak with poor starting pitching. Pitching has been the weak link for Lansing this year and there is some hope on the horizon on that front. Vancouver and Bluefield have some good young pitchers who will be battling with the holdovers for the five starting spots next year. With the Jays returning to a college heavy draft approach those newly drafted players should be aiming for Lansing for 2018. The Bo and Vlad half year will have gained some goodwill in the Lansing FO and there is hope on the horizon so I think the relationship will survive.

Ridge Smith hit a grand slam and ended with two hits and five RBI. Mitch Nay also homered and had three RBI. Josh Palacios, Yeltsin Gudino and David Jacob also had two hits each.


Vancouver

The relationship with Vancouver is very strong, its a Canadian relationship, the Jays are on TV in BC and attendances are strong. The C's had a few winning years back in three to six years ago but the last two years have been losing ones. THe return to the playoffs in 2017 is welcome.

Nate Pearson finally allowed a run, two in fact. Pearson pitched into the fourth inning and gave up three hits and three walks with five K's. Pearson had been sporting a zero ERA but now its jumped up to 0.95. The best pitcher on the day was not Pearson but a competition between Canadian Brayden Bouchey who struck out four in two innings and Travis Bergen who had six K's in 3.2 innings.

Norberto Obeso had two hits and drove in both runs. Brandon Polizzi had two hits to raise his average to .194. Polizzi was hitting the cover off the ball in Bluefield but has found Vancouver to be tougher going.


Bluefield

The Jays have been linked with Bluefield for seven years and they have been generally successful. Dennis Holmberg does a great job with the "kids" and is well liked locally. The only drawback of Bluefield is the location, it is very hard to get to for roaming instructors and other coaching staff. On the positive side most teams are fairly local so there are few long bus rides or overnight stays away. Bluefield is not a team with a lot to offer a major league club in comparison with the other options so it seems as though the power in the relationship lies with the Jays.

As befits a playoff team the Jays have had a lot of stand-out performers such as Ryan Noda, Yorman Rodrigues, Ryan Gold, and pitchers Randy Pondler and Maximo Castillo.

The Jays scored five late runs to win Wednesdays game. Kevin Smith tied the game with a two run single in the eighth and added another RBI single in the ninth. Ryan Noda also had two hits.


GCL Jays

Like Dunedin the GCL Jays are owned by the Blue Jays. They had a good season but just fell short of the playoffs at the end. On the field on Wednesday the Jays won 2-1 despite registering just four hits. 17 year old Felipe Castaneda finished his season with an excellent start, five innings, five K's, five hits, one run. 19 year old Luis De Los Santos had two hits, scored a run and drove in a run. He has had a very nice season.



3 Stars

3rd star: Lourdes Gurriel

2nd star: Kevin Smith

1st star: Ridge Smith


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85bluejay - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 07:37 AM EDT (#347962) #
Another impressive outing for converted pitching project Emerson Jimenez - now up to 13 innings 6H 22K/4B no runs 0.77 whip - usually pitching converts initially struggle with control but this guy seems to have taken to pitching like duck to water.
scottt - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 08:45 AM EDT (#347965) #
The attendance has been strong at Buffalo, averaging over 10K. 
I don't think they can complain too much.

Ottawa drew record attendance when it was the Expos affiliate.
AAAA players like F.P. Sangelo were the local heroes.
Baltimore had horrible teams, (including a pitcher named J.A. Happ who went 4-6 with an ERA over 5.)
They didn't even give local pitcher Erik Bedard one start here, re-habbing him in AA instead.
Then the Lynx moved out.

At some point Ottawa secured the right to a AA team but there were no taker and the Jays were happy with their commitment to NH. So I think there's an easy option if Buffalo or NH are unhappy with the Jays.

Nigel - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 11:23 AM EDT (#347971) #
For most of the last year or two I have envisioned that Alford could join the Mike Cameron wing of the Academy of Very Good Centerfielders. This wing is marked by players with a wide range of offensive skills (high BB% and above average power (for the position)) offset by some contact issues (lowish BA and high K%), not to mention adding considerable value as a base runner and fielder. However, this year Alford has cut his K rate considerably but also lost some power. His .310/.410/.420 line no longer fits as well in the Mike Cameron wing. Those numbers (if replicated in some way at the major league level) still entitle you to a seat in the high rent district of the Academy but I can no longer easily envisage whose wing he could be joining. Thoughts?

I do understand that his power loss is probably due to his hamate bone injury, but there were signs of this line before the injury.
Mike Green - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 12:09 PM EDT (#347973) #
I ran a Play Index to see if I could find a centerfielder who didn't hit for power (IsoP under .150), but hit for a decent average (.270 at least) courtesy of excellent speed, and walked and struck out a lot (60 walks and 100 strikeouts a season).  There were none who had this skill-set between the ages of 25-30.  Phil Bradley was the closest- he was a centerfielder for a year and a half before moving over to left-field.  Marquis Grissom is perhaps the closest among centerfielders but he walked and struck out less. 

Most guys like Alford end up as corner oufielders. 


Nigel - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#347974) #
Thanks Mike. That makes me feel better in the sense that I thought that I was having a senior's moment in not being able to think of some obvious comps for that kind of line. It is odd that there aren't any obvious examples. I can't really think of why that would be.
Mike Green - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 02:14 PM EDT (#347977) #
The player Alford reminds me most of is probably Ken Griffey Sr.  He didn't play centerfield until Geronimo couldn't, but had basically the same current skill set.  Alford has a decent chance to be a better defensive player. 
Mike Green - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 02:43 PM EDT (#347979) #
The Bisons tweeted a video of Danny Jansen making a nice diving catch on a foul pop last night.  He seems reasonably mobile, at least. 
scottt - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 08:15 PM EDT (#347983) #
It makes sense that a player with low power does not strike out a lot.
It's often a reflection of the 2-strike approach and being able to anticipate a pitch.
Does he show more power during batting practice?

Shoeless Joe - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#347985) #
Alford is hard to project as a hitter given how much progress he made this year. If I were to base in on this season I would say Nick Markakis post Baltimore would be my comp, but better offensively.
Gerry - Thursday, August 31 2017 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#347986) #
Ryan Borucki in Buffalo, six innings, six hits, no runs, one walk, six K's.
uglyone - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 02:13 AM EDT (#348004) #
gerry are the reports of high-90s mph for Borucki legit?
lexomatic - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 08:41 AM EDT (#348012) #
Shoeless, that's an alarming comp, and thankfully one I don't agree with.
Mike Green - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 08:49 AM EDT (#348013) #
Nice ending to the Dunedin game.  Needing a win to clinch a playoff spot, the D-Jays were tied 3-3 going to the ninth.  Bo Bichette tripled with one out, and after Cavan Biggio struck out, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. delivered the game-winner with a 2 run shot. 

The call-ups are a good start.  Hopefully we also see Jansen and Alford once the minor league season is over. 

Gerry - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 09:35 AM EDT (#348014) #
I have not heard that Borucki is that high. Often we hear of a reading on a pitch gun that is a one off and a high pitch too.
hypobole - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 09:42 AM EDT (#348015) #
One reason the Dunedin game was tied in the 9th was Connor Panas hitting his 17th and 18th HR's, now leading the Jays org.

Was already 22 when he signed for 10K in 2015 as a 9th round punt pick. Showed a bit of pop with 16 HR in Lansing last year. Slow 1st half this year - .248/.359/.369, 4 HR, 50 K/157 AB. But a strong 2nd half - .303/.379/.560, 14 HR, 46 K/234 AB.

Age prevents prospect status, but hopefully a guy to watch as he moves up.

Mike Green - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 10:04 AM EDT (#348016) #
The always-wonderful John Lott in today's Athletic gives the back story on Carlos Ramirez, and in particular, the role of Dane Johnson in Ramirez' move from the outfield to the mound.  Ramirez has a garden-variety reliever fastball, but with a routinely filthy slider.  Vaguely familiar story- don't know why!
jerjapan - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 12:26 PM EDT (#348029) #
Panas is certainly an easy guy to pull for.  The K rates are pretty high, but the BB% have been good and an ISO of .202 is impressive.  Get him up to an age appropriate level and lets see what he can do. 

I'm interested to see Zach Jackson pitching next year in the upper minors.  He could be a quick riser with those big K numbers. 

Mike Green - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#348038) #
For Friday afternoon,  fan video of Guerrero Jr's. home run last night.  Nice sound off the bat, and good height on the high-five leap.  Oh, to be eighteen!
Shoeless Joe - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#348039) #
lexomaniac:

2017 Alford (AA):

12.1 BB%, 15.6 K%, 0.118 ISO% - 19.5 LD%, 47.0 GB% , 33.5 FB%

2017 Markakis (MLB):

10.2 BB%, 16.8 K%, 0.118 ISO% - 21.6 LD%, 47.5 GB%, 30.8 FB%
Hodgie - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#348040) #
Arden Zwelling has a nice article on Guerrero today over at Sportnet.ca. This is becoming surreal for me as the last homegrown player I was this excited to see arrive was his father back when I bled the colours of Les Expos de Montreal.
hypobole - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#348041) #
Markakis is exactly league average 100 wRC+. That's not a bad scenario for Alford.

Being around league average has a substantial variability in value, depending on what else they do or don't the player brings to the table. Case in point - both Kendrys and Mookie Betts are at 101 wRC+, but one has been worth -0.2 fWAR, the other +3.9 fWAR, which is top 25 in positional player value.
Shoeless Joe - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#348042) #
I agree that it is a positive outcome to be a league average hitter with plus base running and defence.
Mike Green - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#348043) #
Right, hypobole.  Markakis has an OBP over .360 in 2017.  If Alford can do that in the major leagues, he'll be an excellent player thanks to his abilities on the basepaths and in the field.  Alford is 18-3 stealing bases in half a season at double A.  It's really the first time he has been truly effective at it.  Tim Raines would be proud.

I remember how exciting Guerrero Sr. was in the minor leagues.  His son is doing the same things offensively, but at a much younger age.  Guerrero Sr. has his first good year at age 20 in the Sally League.  Guerrero Jr. doesn't have his dad's defensive ability though. 

jerjapan - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#348048) #
Shoeless, Lexi is actually Lexomatic, not Lexomaniac,

but Lexomaniac has a pretty nice ring to it...
Hodgie - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 04:28 PM EDT (#348050) #
Guerrero Jr. doesn't have his dad's defensive ability though.

Perahps not, but by many accounts, he is improving quickly and Arden's article is not the first to mention the progression of his arm strength. It is a big if at this point, but if Jr can stay at third then I think he could actually provide more value defensively than Sr. Vlad Sr is one of my favourite all-time players, but his early defensive prowess was largely based on reputation and a cannon of an arm and was very overrated in my opinion.

Mike Green - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#348053) #
You probably saw more of the young Guerrero Sr. than I did, Hodgie.  His defensive numbers were very good in his first year, but so-so after that.  As a minor leaguer, he was said to have good range in the outfield to go with the cannon arm. 
Hodgie - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#348058) #
He definitely had good range thanks to his plus speed in his youth, but unfortunately, he didn't have great instincts and his reads were suspect. That cannon of an arm was equally capable of nailing runners in spectacular fashion and sending balls anywhere and everywhere else except the intended target. Let's just say that he was never boring and thus utterly fascinating to watch play the field in his youth.
Gerry - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 05:59 PM EDT (#348060) #
For the final weekend Anthony Alford is now with Buffalo.
Mike Green - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#348065) #
Alford is in LF tonight for Buffalo. Perhaps we will see a lot of an Alford-Pillar-Hernandez outfield in September. Fun.
bpoz - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 07:32 PM EDT (#348070) #
An OF that catches everything. Sounds good.
greenfrog - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 07:55 PM EDT (#348072) #
Bichette has a HR in 2 PA tonight. Both he and Guerrero Jr. are now hitting .335.
whiterasta80 - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#348087) #
Nigel,

I think that Brett Butler might be the comparison that you are searching for with Alford.
whiterasta80 - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 09:55 PM EDT (#348089) #
Check that. My memory was that Butler had more swing and miss to his game.

Shame, that is basically my ideal CF on this team.
Nigel - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#348090) #
Butler was a really good CF but he's the in wing with the good average no power, huge SB guys. I don't really see Alford that way but a borderline HOFer would obviously be a great outcome for Alford.
uglyone - Friday, September 01 2017 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#348095) #
potentially interslesting development in the gcl - otto lopez was in CF today, not 2B. had a big night at the plate too...3/3, 2bb
lexomatic - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 07:50 AM EDT (#348101) #
Shoeless, I see you're referring to underlying numbers and. not results like I was.
I don't think they'd have anywhere near the same results if posting similar batting numbers in mlb.
I think more highly of Alford, and think Markakis is overrated.
The only things I like about Markakis are patience and durability.
lexomatic - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 07:55 AM EDT (#348102) #
I'd prefer more Shannon Stewart with defense and not losing steals but the strikeouts aren't really close for that. Aim higher than Markakis.
85bluejay - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 09:15 AM EDT (#348104) #
Lefty Juliandry Higuera (Lansing) had a nice finish to his season - 30K/5BB in his last 25.2 innings including 12K/1BB in 11 innings in his last 2 appearances (Started) - might be a guy to watch next year.
hypobole - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#348114) #
Keith Law went to Reading play NH.

Lourdes Gurriel played second base for the Fisher Cats and made one great diving play to his right but was just fair at the plate. He has a long swing and what looks like average bat speed, exacerbated by an exaggerated toe-tap to start his swing. The right-handed hitter struck out twice, on a 93 mph fastball up and a slider down and away, lining one single to center (a catchable ball misplayed by Odubel Herrera) on a 95 mph fastball. Gurriel is a below-average runner, so he'll really have to hit to have value -- and so far this year he hasn't done that, hitting just .229/.267/.332 in 61 games between high-A and Double-A at age 23.

Shortstop Richard Urena is 21 and is also playing in Double-A, hitting a disappointing .247/.286/.359 for New Hampshire, although his 30 walks to date are a career best. Urena is a switch-hitter -- better from the left side -- with a quick bat and the ability to at least square up good velocity, although I don't think he's very selective at the plate. He has played mostly short with some games at second this year, projecting to stay at short in the long run with above-average range. He'll have to get on base more for that to matter, but I think the bat speed and hand strength will be there to make him a higher hitter for average as he gets a little older.
uglyone - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 03:49 PM EDT (#348117) #
hey i agree with law on both.

gurriel had to perform well right away imo, because he's not that young and not that toolsy. i don't think we'll get back much on that investment.
PeterG - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#348118) #
I don't think Gurriel had to perform well right away at all. You have to take into consideration that he has only played a little more than 2 months of baseball in almost 2 years. As for KL's opinion, you can't tell much from one game. He seems the only real negative report from among positives including, BA, MLB Pipeline and several announcers who have covered him in Dunedin and NH. And for Ugly, it just seems like another cheap shot on the FO as he is wont to do given any possible opportunity.

Now who knows, the naysayers who are certainly in the minority at the present time, may end up being right. But to suggest we should have a real read on Gurriel at any time this season is very foolish indeed imo.
hypobole - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#348119) #
I disagree with uglyone a lot, but I didn't take his comment as a FO cheapshot whatsoever.

And I'd like to know what these positive reports about Gurriel's play sound like. He's been mediocre at best.
Nigel - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#348120) #
The scouting reports on Gurriel from before his signing were mixed at best. Even the number of teams reportedly interested in signing him was underwhelming. In my view, Gurriel's early season top 100 ranking was heavily influenced by the size of the cheque the Jays cut. None of this means the signing won't work out.
PeterG - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#348121) #
well it was certainly a shot...maybe cheap was an overreaction.

For positives, look at what the prospect rating sites I mentioned have to say about him. I listen to a number of minor league broadcasts when the major Jays are not playing and Lourdes has been described as a stud on more than one occasion. When signed, many including announcers on MLB Network, compared him favourably to his older brother Yuli

The question I have for you or anyone is: considering how little he has played in 2 years, don't you think it will take a tad longer to get a true read on him. His play has been close to mediocre so far, I agree. I just take exception to anyone thinking there has been anywhere near sufficient time to make a real judgement.
hypobole - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 05:25 PM EDT (#348122) #
Peter, I pay for insider. I post a few items that are relevant for those who don't. Could you post anything recent from BA about Gurriel? And I can't find anything recent on mlbpipeline.

Finally, why do you quote broadcaster opinions? They're worthless for the most part. I listen to Buck and Pat talking about players like Goins and Morales and a lot isn't anywhere close to reality. Announcers are paid to sugarcoat.
92-93 - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 05:26 PM EDT (#348123) #
I'm struggling to find these positive reports on MLB Pipeline and BA, other than his inclusion in the midseason top 100 at #90. I don't see him on Pipeline's Jays top 30. For somebody willing to risk giving up on Tellez because of a bad AAA season at 22 while his mother battles cancer, you seem pretty forgiving of Gurriel's performance at 23 in AA.
uglyone - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#348124) #
Given how much I like Pearson and that I seem to be tbe only one that likes Zeuch, i'd think i'd be criticized for polishing the new FO's prospects, if anything.
PeterG - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 05:38 PM EDT (#348125) #
I am forgiving because he has not played enough to be even close to maximum timing. I just think that making judgements at this time, or on one game ,are far too premature.

I haven't given up on Tellez....just think it is going to be tough for him to make 40 man at this time.

Thank u Hyperbole for posting insider reports.
hypobole - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 06:35 PM EDT (#348127) #
Gurriel is not in our Pipeline top 30 because he's 23 and played pro in Cuba.
PeterG - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#348128) #
Pearson has been very impressive and I think most would agree he was a good choice based on early results. Zeuch has been more questionable but injuries have made it tough to judge him just as being out of baseball for so long has made it tough to get a real feel for Gurriel.
hypobole - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 07:01 PM EDT (#348129) #
Peter, I agree it's too early to give up on Gurriel, but I also think it's not to early to have some real concerns.
jerjapan - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 07:18 PM EDT (#348130) #
I like Zeuch quite a bit ... I didn't realize the Box was down on him.  He's had a solid debut and the kid is 6ft 7'.  Tall pitchers can take a while - he's right on track as a mid rotation arm in my books.

Carlos Ramirez now has 39 2/3 IPs this year without giving up an earned run.  Not sure this story is getting the attention it should - this is a remarkable achievement.  I asked this once before without an answer - anyone know the Jays scoreless innings record?

Fields deserves a callup IMO.  He was named team MVP and just surpassed Tony Womack for the most SBs in Buffalo history. 

But the FO just called up Luis Santos, who was nowhere on my radar, so what do I know. 

PeterG - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#348131) #
I think Santos was just called up to be a short term long man because of the extra innings last night. The obvious choice would be Rowley but he pitched last night also. I expect Rowley to receive the call on Monday and to be used in that role or as a spot starter if one is needed.
Gerry - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 08:22 PM EDT (#348133) #
The playoffs start tonight for Bluefield. The Jays are up 4-0 after two innings, Ryan Gold and Chavez Young with the home runs.
Mike Green - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#348134) #
Pannone had his best outing in a Fisher Cat uniform- 7 innings, 3 hits, 1 run, 0 walks, 7Ks.  For the season, he has an ERA of 2.92 in the EL in 20 starts, with 29 walks and 110 strikeouts in 117 innings.  Before that he had 5 starts in the Carolina League and allowed 1 unearned run.  He should be in Buffalo at the start of the season, and with any luck, ready to help the big club by June. 
bpoz - Saturday, September 02 2017 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#348137) #
Bluefield won game 1 of best of 3 series.
Gerry - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 09:09 AM EDT (#348138) #

From milb.com

Ryan Gold figured there was no time like the present to help not only himself but his club ease whatever tension it might have in the first playoff game of 2017.

It took a tough at-bat to do so, but the 19-year-old came through just in time on Saturday night.

A .302 hitter in 39 games during the regular season, Gold helped Bluefield jump out to an early lead. Following a leadoff walk to Brandon Grudzielanek in the second, he pulled a ball over the right-center field fence for a two-run homer and a 3-0 cushion. He struck out in the third and was intentionally walked in the fifth. Batting with a runner on first and two outs in the seventh, Gold worked the count full before lining a double to right that snapped a 5-5 tie.

"They had given me a free pass in the previous at-bat and I knew they didn't want to give me anything to hit," the 2016 27th-round pick said. "It was a lefty-lefty matchup and I was sitting off-speed and looking to go to the opposite field. [Reliever Anderson Severino] started me off with a curve that missed and came back with a fastball I fouled off. He threw me another curve that was low and another fastball, which I fouled off again, he ran it full. He hung the 3-2 pitch and it got me out in front, but I stayed back enough to pull it over the first baseman's head. With [Ryan Noda] off on the pitch, he was able to score from first, and that was it."

Gold made his professional debut last summer and batted .280 in 29 games before exceeding that in 2017. In 68 career regular-season games, the lefty-swinging catcher has a .294/.373/.452 slash line with 23 extra-base hits and 44 RBIs. But nothing to date could rival his clutch at-bat on Saturday night.

"It was a really big moment because our bullpen has been shutdown this year," he said. "We're pretty confident that with the guys we have coming out of the 'pen, we'd get the job done. We just needed that one hit and that one run to give us that shot of confidence."

Blue Jays No. 25 prospect Kevin Smith delivered an RBI single and walked twice. Chavez Young led off the game for Bluefield with a home run.

China fan - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 09:21 AM EDT (#348140) #
I agree with Peter's points about Gurriel.  It's much too early to draw any conclusions about Gurriel.  This year was basically an adjustment season for him, and he shouldn't be judged by the same statistics-based metrics that you might use for a prospect who has spent several years in the Jays system.

Keep in mind the key factors for Gurriel this season: 
1) Because of his defection from Cuba, he was coming off a 12-month layoff with virtually no organized baseball experience in that entire period;
2) He had a significant injury that prevented him from playing any serious baseball until the second half of June this season;
3) He had to undergo the cultural adjustment from Cuba (a closed society) to North America; 
4) He was pushed through two levels of the minor-league system; 
5) He was asked to play SS, the most demanding position in the field, even though he's more likely to be an outfielder or 2B (at best) when he reaches the majors.  

Given all of those factors, I wouldn't judge anything about Gurriel until he has had a full season in the system.  Of course if he still has a sub-700 OPS at the end of 2018, we could ask the same questions that we're currently asking about Harold Ramirez.  But I suspect he will improve significantly in 2018.

uglyone - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 09:39 AM EDT (#348142) #
For me Gurriel's the kind of guy who has to perform right away. He's not that young, not that toolsy, has played plenty of pro baseball, didn't have great stats in cuba and has poor stats now despite being old for his levels.

I just don't see anything to hope on there.
Gerry - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#348143) #
Gurriel received what seemed like big money to us, but was in fact lowish money for a Cuban prospect. His rep once signed was that he could be a super utility type. I don't think that opinion has changed.

From Law's report it seems that Gurriel needs to cut down on his swing. The Jays likely know this but is the player willing to change? Gurriel might have had to play a full season before he wises up, or he might never change. The average bat speed is not a concern to me, there are lots of major leaguers with average bat speed.

Bottom line, Gurriel needs to change his swing, and, if he does, he could be an average major leaguer.
PeterG - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 11:10 AM EDT (#348144) #
Jays usually don't try to change any player's mechanics, the first year he is in the system. Is Gurriel slated to go to instructional league? If so, that is when they will work with him. If not, then in ST. There are many major league players who need to change their swing,.
bpoz - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 11:38 AM EDT (#348145) #
I believe in being patient with every one of our current prospects.

Vlad & Bo have exceeded expectation.

Short season does not really count for much.

Tellez & Urena and all the AA SPs are quite young. The struggles are acceptable to me. Even for Harris AA is a fairly big jump IMO.
China fan - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#348146) #
Thanks, Gerry, those are very useful points to add to the debate.
greenfrog - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#348150) #
One MinorLeagueBall writer says the Jays have the second-best farm system in baseball when it comes to hitting prospects:

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/9/3/16245376/ranking-the-five-best-farm-systems-hitters

And John Sickels recently ranked Guerrero Jr. the #3 prospect in baseball (Devers is #1, in his view).

https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/9/3/16185424/top-20-mlb-prospects-september-2017
uglyone - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#348151) #
Sorry, Mr.Sickels, but that's crazytalk.

A+

Devers (19): 446pa, 7.3bb%, 17.2k%, .328babip, .282avg, .161iso, 113wrc+
Vladdy (18): 206pa, 17.5bb%, 13.6k%, .366babip, .333avg, .164iso, 180wrc+

A

Devers (18): 508pa, 4.7bb%, 16.5k%, .326babip, .288avg, .156iso, 118wrc+
Vladdy (18): 328pa, 12.6bb%, 10.7k%, .336babip, .316avg, .164iso, 152wrc+

Age 17

Devers (low-Rk): 174pa, 8.0bb%, 17.2k%, .363babip, .312avg, .172iso, 146wrc+
Vladdy (Hi-Rk): 206pa, 12.0bb%, 12.7k%, .283babip, .271avg, .178iso, 122wrc+


Devers is a nice prospect but Vladdy's on another level, putting up numbers that we may never have seen before.

And I get that Devers has done something in MLB, but if we're doing small samples his last 15gms he's been lost u0 there.
Spifficus - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#348152) #
That Vlad Jr ranks so high without having gone through the AA test is a testament to him, not an insult. Devers has already passed that test.
hypobole - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 03:58 PM EDT (#348153) #
Who was the last top 3 ranked prospect before turning 19? Harper?
Parker - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#348154) #
Sorry, Mr.Sickels, but that's crazytalk.

Maybe you should save those kinds of comments until after you've achieved more success as a scouting analyst than John Sickels - no established scouting organization likes Guerrero better than Devers. If you were right about the statements you continue to make about how every other organization's prospects are overrated and every Blue Jays prospect is underrated, then baseball is really missing out on not hiring you.

The most confusing part of your comment is that you actually admit that Devers has already had ML success and Guerrero Jr. hasn't played above Single A. Devers hasn't been an MVP candidate in his last 15 games? Has Edwin Encarnacion gone 15 games this year without struggling? I only ask because you've blamed the current FO for failing to sign him for more guaranteed money than he got anywhere else, and if anyone actually wanted to refute your claims, would they have to do any better than pointing out a stretch of 15 games this season where Encarnacion has been a waste of a roster spot? Hint: he spent all of March and April this year as a below-replacement player (24 GAMES!). You were kinda quiet about Encarnacion during that time.

I'm wondering at this point whether you even understand that picking arbitrary sample-size cutoffs doesn't provide any actual evidence that baseball players are worse or better than you wish they were... no matter which organizations they play for.
uglyone - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#348156) #
Hi parkie! Missed You.
Gerry - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#348157) #
Devers will have more defensive value than Vlad. That is A factor in the ratings.
92-93 - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#348158) #
Baseball America had Guerrero as #2 on their midseason prospect list behind only Moncada, and that was before he showed he could dominate A+ as an 18 year old.
Parker - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 05:32 PM EDT (#348163) #
Baseball America had Guerrero as #2 on their midseason prospect list behind only Moncada, and that was before he showed he could dominate A+ as an 18 year old.

The part ugly isn't going to tell you is that Devers didn't qualify for BA's list because he spent too much time in MLB.

He's only hit .258 / .327 / .485 last month as a 20-year-old MLB rookie, though, so ugly says he's already done.
Gerry - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 05:34 PM EDT (#348164) #
Lets not return to some less pleasant batters box memories from earlier in the season.....serenity now.
Hodgie - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 05:46 PM EDT (#348165) #
"The part ugly isn't going to tell you is that Devers didn't qualify for BA's list because he spent too much time in MLB."

Except for the part where BA had Devers ranked 6th in that ranking. BA and KATOH ranked Guerrero higher mid-season, while MLB, BP, and Sickels have Devers ranked higher. Ranking one over the other is splitting hairs at this point. Hell, you could make a case that Acuna should be ranked higher than either of them.

Parker - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#348166) #
Lets not return to some less pleasant batters box memories from earlier in the season.....serenity now.

Serenity now, insanity later?

I'll continue to restrict anything I post to the same sample size and/or custom-tailored statistics required to refute any insanity that anyone keeps posting here.
Parker - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#348167) #
Except for the part where BA had Devers ranked 6th in that ranking. BA and KATOH ranked Guerrero higher mid-season, while MLB, BP, and Sickels have Devers ranked higher. Ranking one over the other is splitting hairs at this point. Hell, you could make a case that Acuna should be ranked higher than either of them.

Except that out of the three prospects you mentioned, one of them is already a MLB-average hitter. The other two are not.
scottt - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 06:07 PM EDT (#348170) #
The rules don't apply to Gurriel. He's already being paid MLB money.
He's going to the AFL, anyway.

greenfrog - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 07:06 PM EDT (#348174) #
Devers has had a great year, but over the long term I would still rather have VGJ.
uglyone - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 07:07 PM EDT (#348175) #
"The part ugly isn't going to tell you "

er, you know that wasn't my post, right?
uglyone - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 07:12 PM EDT (#348176) #
"I'm wondering at this point whether you even understand that picking arbitrary sample-size cutoffs doesn't provide any actual evidence that baseball players are worse or better than you wish they were... no matter which organizations they play for."

I always find it funny when you get angry about arbitrary samples in posts where i give full, complete, apples to apples samples.

As for my comment on Devers' small mlb sample so far, it started off with a bang, and has been awful since, with a babip still much higher than average overall. The point being that we can't read too much into it either way.
Shoeless Joe - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 07:34 PM EDT (#348177) #
If I told you Lourdes Gurrials upside was Freddy Galvis of the Phillies, would you be excited? That's the best MLB comparison I could find based on his hitting ability, and by all accounts his defence is much worse than Freddy's.

I also agree with ugly that Vlady Junior is a much better prospect than Devers. Every single indicator of future success is in favour of Vlady.
Glevin - Sunday, September 03 2017 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#348179) #
"Devers has had a great year, but over the long term I would still rather have VGJ."

Me too but that has more to do with how great Vladdy is as a prospect than a slight on Devers. Devers is very likely going to be a very good player for a long time and has a real chance at stardom. Red Sox and Yankees are just filled with great young hitters. Both teams have around 10 WAR this year from hitters 25 and under. Jays have 0.

Parker - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#348181) #
Well, according to ugly's analysis, Guerrero is a better prospect than Mike Trout ever was.

Personally, I'd take my chances with the players who have already shown success in the majors over guys who haven't even yet hit at Double-A. It's not that I don't like Guerrero; it's that I think it's premature to be reserving his spot in Cooperstown at this point.
Parker - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 12:31 AM EDT (#348182) #
I always find it funny when you get angry about arbitrary samples in posts where i give full, complete, apples to apples samples.

You said Devers has struggled in a 15-game sample. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on whatever you think the definition is of "full, complete, apples to apples samples."
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 01:06 AM EDT (#348184) #
the stats i presented were all full samples.

the comment that devers has been awesome for his first have of games (with a .408babi0) and awful since was just a comment on the unreliability of his small mlb sample so far.
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 01:08 AM EDT (#348185) #
and yeah vlad is as good a hitting prospect as trout was. maybe better. but trout was a CF, vlad is a 1B.
Glevin - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 01:58 AM EDT (#348186) #
Vlad has a chance to be one of the very best hitters in baseball. He is a special prospect, probably the best one the Jays have ever had. No, he won't be Trout, but that is no criticism.

Interesting interview with Shapiro on Sportsnet a few days ago where he reiterates his view which I think is pretty commonly held across baseball now.

ďYou donít just need two guys, you need waves of guys,Ē said Shapiro. ďAnd behind them, you need another wave of guys. I feel like thatís coming. Itís probably two to four years away that itís going to get here."

You look at the Red Sox or the Yankees or Nats or Cardinals or Dodgers or Jays when they were regularly contending or pretty much every successful team in baseball and one thing they have in common is new young talent every year they can either add to the major league club or trade for established players. You need that regular pipeline of talent coming through and the Jays simply don't have it (And really haven't had it since the early 90's when you had Derek Bell, Whiten, Kent, Delgado, Green, Hentgen coming up).
dalimon5 - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 02:09 AM EDT (#348187) #
Why not trade Donaldson for Devers and have both prospects? Red Sox let Harper go to NYY or Philly, they re-sign Donaldson who is better suited to help them win a World Series now. I think Parker and Ugly both have good points. Devers is definitely better than VGJ...right now...but the impaler has bigger potential and Devers likely won't perform at such a high level as his pre-slump debut again...similar to A.Judge.
greenfrog - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 02:37 AM EDT (#348188) #
The Red Sox would not trade Devers for Donaldson (they might if the Jays threw in, say, Bichette).
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 02:48 AM EDT (#348190) #
the trade would make them world series favorites the next 2yrs at least, though.
ayjackson - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 11:18 AM EDT (#348200) #
"Well, according to ugly's analysis,"

You guys need to give this schtick a rest.
jerjapan - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 11:35 AM EDT (#348201) #
I can see the case for either guy as 1st - proximity vs. upside.  Devers is already a quality major leaguer, and what Vlad is doing at 18 is genuinely unprecedented. 

Greenfrog posted 2 links, the one I found much more interesting was the one that had Sickels placing us second for hitting prospects.  He mentions that John Manuel has Vlad at 80 for hit and power - amazing.  Most interesting to me, past the top 2 he names the obvious hitters in Alford, Urena Pentacost, Jansen, Tellez and this years draftees but also Connor Panas, Juan Kelly and Cavan Biggio, three guys I would not have included in the second tier.  People talk about Kelly not having a position, but that hit tool might be better than some of us think for a 23 year old in Dunedin.

ďYou donít just need two guys, you need waves of guys,Ē said Shapiro. ďAnd behind them, you need another wave of guys. I feel like thatís coming. Itís probably two to four years away that itís going to get here."

I agree with Shapiro here, but this isn't really a new idea.  AA said the same thing when he expanded the scouting department years ago.  But the statements Shaprio makes need to be taken with a grain of salt - earlier this year he said he wouldn't be happy with out starting depth until we have 4 or 5 legit prospects in AAA, with 3 more behind them at double A and so on.  Take a look at minor league rotations around the game - perhaps a few teams can match this standard.  Perhaps.  A lot of Shapiro's comments seem to be made to justify a slow and steady approach to building a system he is happy to imply was inadequate, and that's where I disagree with him - most of those hitters Sickels praised were in the system already when Shapiro arrived. 
bpoz - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#348203) #
If you are looking at 9 prospects in AAA and AA in total, Pitchers and hitters then we are quite close.

They would have to be regulars. Which are SPs, relievers and potential backup catcher. Not bench players like Goins and 4th OF.

Tellez, Urena & Alford. Smith Jr & R Fields 4th OF. We have a lot of pitching prospects.

But this is depth for injury relief that is not as bad as this year. Giving Borucki 15 starts or Tellez 350 ABs due to injury would hurt. There are growing pains.
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 12:02 PM EDT (#348204) #
the thing is AA DID draft and ifa sign waves of talent.
bpoz - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 12:19 PM EDT (#348205) #
This is not a slight on anyone, but I always found Nigel's take on FO and media speaking valuable. I liked the way he presented it.

For me Sept's goal is prospect evaluation for 2018. When Martin is not catching a prospect like Jansen/McGuire does not give us much less. Urena VS Goins and Barney is close value.

If a SP gets hammered early a prospect can eat some innings. It saves the pen. C Ramirez & Mayza are getting a good look.
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 12:34 PM EDT (#348207) #
Current red sox and jays that were draft picks or ifa signs between 2010-15.

TOR: Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna, Pillar, Barnes (Guerrero, Alford)
BOS: Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, Barnes (Devers)
dalimon5 - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 12:47 PM EDT (#348208) #
Bichette and Donaldson for Devers...thats a little bit of an exaggeration greenfrog. You wouldn't trade Devers for JD for value over the next 6 years, that is true. If Boston makes that trade then they make it to put them over the top for the next year. Chances that Devers is more valuable than JD over the next year are slim to none. If they trade for JD it's the same as trading for Sale to put them over the top. At the time of the Sale trade they were giving up far more potential value in their top prospects over a longer term for guaranteed value from Sale over a shorter term in return. I think with Dombrowski at the helm his main goal right now is to win a WS in Boston and take some of the spotlight off of Theo Epstein. Not to mention if they decide to resign JD then it's a clear win for them. This is a team that will throw money away to plug holes...see Pablo, Sandoval.
92-93 - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 01:13 PM EDT (#348211) #
I watched 2 of the Yanks-Sox games this weekend. Maybe Devers (who is no longer a prospect and won't be a rookie next year) has a good defensive reputation, but it certainly was not on display during those games. He has this odd double-pump action before he throws the ball, and it cost him on more than one occasion. His D is a work in progress.
scottt - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 01:31 PM EDT (#348214) #
It's hard to judge AA with respect to international signings.
There's Osuna on the team and then...Castro was there for a bit and then ...
Nothing overwhelming.

There's Guerrero, of course.

And there was Hechavarria.

There's always these circular arguments that AA drafted lots of great prospects and traded them away, 3 or 4 at a times butt those weren't bad trades because none of those great prospects amounted to anything.

It's too early to compare the current FO with AA. It's also kinda pointless since the payroll and the signing rules have changed so much. Maybe someone could go back and find an objective way of rating the international signings of the last few years and see where AA ranked compare to the other GMs. Does any site already do that?

uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 03:48 PM EDT (#348221) #
imo devers likely doesn't stick at 3B longterm, 92-93, just like vladdy won't. both might have the raw athleticism to handle it ok (but not great) when they're babies, but their body types don't seem to be the kind thT sticks there longterm. They're in the Miggy Cabrera mold of "3rd basemen", imo.
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#348222) #
Scott - Vladdy, Osuna, Hech, Castro, (Barreto, Lugo)

pretty easy to judge that as kinda awesome, imo.

Shoeless Joe - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#348237) #
AA had some of the best international singings in 2011, 2012 and 2015 but did absolutely nothing in 2013 and 2014. Overall I would say he did quite well.

Spifficus - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#348238) #
Is it really easy to judge that as kinda awesome, though? That list is really built off of 1 Mighty Fine Prospect, 1 Top 10 Closer, 1, TBD, and 3 pieces of MEH. Considering that Moncada, Devers, Iglacias and Margot were IFAs, Boston probably has a leg up in that regard. Severino on his own gets the Yankees into the conversation before even talking Mateo and Florial. The Cubs, with Glyber and Eloy, let slip 2 elite prospects. The Reds have Iglacias and Chapman as a starting point. The Braves... WOW (Albies, Acuna, Maitan).

... And now my head hurts trying to track back trades. On the back of a napkin, though, I would probably put Toronto in the upper third of IFAs during the AA era. That's nothing to be ashamed of, but it doesn't fill me with easily kinda awesome feelings.
John Northey - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 08:37 PM EDT (#348239) #
Doubt we'll ever see the Gillick days of IFA when the Jays owned the Dominican it seemed and finished with Delgado. Just too much information out there now for someone to dominate like that.
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#348240) #
I dunno Spiff - a) not sure it's fair to include the bidding war cubans like chapman and moncada. b) you're including guys like Iglesias who were signed before AA was GM and c) guys like Maitan who were signed after AA was GM.

even then i'd put the jays crew up against all those teams you mentioned.
Spifficus - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#348242) #
We're going to have to agree to disagree on A, especially with the contradiction of Hechiavaria being in your list. Excluding him (and others like him) now will just look like changing the rules for its favorability. It's not like all the big dollar Cubans have worked out so far - Soler being a prime example. But they were of prospect age when they came into their organizations, and would fall under the IFA spending caps today. They were just in an era that allowed teams to go crazy-go-nuts.

As for Iglesias, it was Sept 30, 2009. I thought it was later in the offseason (a la Hech and Chapman). Dropping him is fine.

As for Maitan, I've been hearing his name for so long that I brain-cramped and put him in the 2015 pool. Whoops. Still, though, it brings the Braves down from an immediate WOW to still pretty damned ahead (in my view).

I like the Jays crew of international signings fine enough, but with IFA wheelers and dealers Texas and the Dodgers still lurking as well, this is going to be another Agree to Disagree area. Part of it is simply familiarity with the system (again, an issue is tracking trades through to their originating organization).
hypobole - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#348244) #
Bear in mind the Jays have only paid overage tax once and only about half a million the year they signed Vlad. Lots of other teams have blown past spending limits the past few years, some massively.
Spifficus - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 09:42 PM EDT (#348246) #
yeah, but there was no asterix that things were pretty awesome*

(* within the constraints of the current system that other teams have found ways to work around)

Everyone was playing by the same rules, and it's not like the Jays were the Orioles in their IFA budget. They spent pretty well, and have done pretty well. Not great or mind blowing in either spending or performance, but pretty solid.
uglyone - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#348249) #
well we can agree to disagree on the bidding wars, but either way I could argue that Osuna is one of the very best of the ifa signed in that time in terms of mlb value so far, and that vladdy is the best current prospect ifa signed in that time.
Spifficus - Monday, September 04 2017 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#348250) #
Well, the bidding wars question makes it important, since Chapman blows him away, but Osuna was particularly quick to the majors and has rewarded that haste with a 5.8 fWAR in his 3 years. As for Vlad Jr, Devers was an IFA and holds some argument, and Acuna is a CF who has hit his way to AAA as a 19 year old. Torres, Rosario, Jiminez and Roblez are also in the VJR range.
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