I thought it was a bit of a fool's game to rush Santander back, but I'm glad they didn't hesitate on pulling the plug with him if his health is going to be dicey for the rest of the playoffs.
it's unforunate that his back went. probably not completely unrelated to his other injury but at the same time it's still a completely different new second injury.
These Mariners seem rather unstoppable in their ability to hit balls over the fence. The key, me thinks, is to continue making sure these are solo shots not back breaking jackpots.
Michael - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:05 PM EDT
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Yeah, giving up HR has always been a weakness of our pitching so it doesn't match up well. But I do have faith in our offense and resiliency, so, as with yesterday, there's still a lot of innings left.
Michael - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT
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Knocking out the SP early bodes well for both this and next game possibly. But really bases loaded and 1 out means this could be the key PA of the game.
Disappointing PA by Clement and Barger, but still a great inning: the Blue Jays scored 3 runs, knocked out Castillo, and forced the top M’s LH reliever to enter the game in the third inning and throw 17 pitches.
One of those weird things I greatly enjoy in baseball is witnessing an excellent pickoff throw from a RH pitcher to first base (the disadvantage is obvious of course). That one there has to be one of my all-time favourites should the Jays hold on to win this one. Great timing by Scherzer and Guerrero’s tag was perfect.
Not pinch hitting Schneider for Barger in the 3rd inning might come back to haunt the Jays later. That was a huge moment in the game, and Barger aside from a garbage time home run last night has been dreadful for a while. Hopefully the Jays can tack on some more and make that decision meaningless.
Not sure John Schneider would’ve returned to the dugout with all his limbs intact if he’d tried to pull Scherzer there, excellent call not to. What a gutsy performance…
There was something poetic about John Schneider trying to go to the bullpen early and being scolded to go back to the dugout, especially after what happened with Gausman in Game 1.
I assume he couldn't tell on the initial contact how hard it was and by the time he read it, it was too late, in his mind, to advance, but with the Gimenez grounder, it cost them a run.
Barger struck out with the bases loaded early on, but he has since had a double, made a very good catch in RF in an important situation, and gunned down a baserunner in another important situation. Pretty good.
Varland threw what, 5 pitches? Six? Wonder if they let him face Arozarena to start next inning. As long as there aren’t two guys on base, he’s been pretty darn good most of the postseason.
I agree. Inexplicable to me. Castillo has been a beast this October and Varsho was the hitter - someone Castillo completely owns (1-12) and had struck out earlier in the game.
Josh Naylor had a big night (and is a lot of fun) - but making the third out of the inning at third base with the tying run stepping up tom hit... thank you very much.
Giminez' OPS of .907 would put him second on the Mariners after Raleigh, but is fifth on the Jays after Vladdy, Ernie, George and Varsho. Who said T-Mobile Park was a pitcher's stadium? :)
Nigel - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:14 AM EDT
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Two runners getting thrown out on the bases in high leverage situations, Wilson losing his marbles with the early pull and Raleigh whiffing on a very blockable ball in the dirt (he’s really not good at blocking balls in the dirt as we’ve now seen a few times) - Seattle had a rough game.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 08:58 AM EDT
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Amazing article in the athletic today - might be the best thing Rosenthal has produced.
Nice little tidbit hidden amongst the big mad max story was max giving credit to Kirky for calling that curve over and over again because he saw how good it was in this one.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:03 AM EDT
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I thought that both the Yanks' and Mariners' pitching staffs were being overrated heading into the playoffs, and that both were clearly just ok, not great, and not significantly different than ours.
But even then, what the Jays' offense is doing is legit amazing, and it's not even some crazy babip fluke:
Andres Gimenez has taken a lot of flak here for his batting during the regular season. I have said a couple of times here that Gimenez was unlucky this year, and I thought that I should flesh that out.
Gimenez hit .210/.285/.313 this year, which is indeed bad. But he didn't strike out much, he walked enough and he hit for some power. The problem was his BABIP of .239, well below his career norms. And it wasn't his batted ball profile- he had a good line drive rate, he didn't pop up much and he hit more balls on the ground than in the air. It was just bad luck. Statcast had his expected BA at .258. Or to look at it another way, Gimenez' career slash line .253/.317/.382, good for a wRC+ of 98. Over his career, his wOBA is .306 and his xwOBA is .304. This year, his wOBA was .269 and his xwOBA was .313. In other words, he hit better this year in fact than over his career and got enough bad luck that his slash line was much worse than his career average.
That two-run single last night? The worm might have turned on Gimenez' luck.
I think he's a very good player, and might have another gear.
92-93 - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:42 AM EDT
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It may have been the curve looking good, or Max just not wanting to say he didn't have great command of his fastball. He looked more comfortable throwing everything else when he needed a strike.
I thought leaving Barger in with a lead there was an easy decision, considering the Mariners were burning the only lefty they trust in the 3rd inning. If the manager thought that was a good spot for Schneider, he should be starting him.
Did Little drop on the depth chart? Perhaps it was just a matter of Fluharty being the early move for lefties, with Little being held back for a high leverage spot later. Fluharty has gone 4 of the last 5 days now.
The bullpen is still in really good shape for tonight, with Lauer and Bassitt available to help.
scottt - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:48 AM EDT
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Scherzer located a lot of first pitch fastballs right on the corners. He didn't get much chase expending from there, but he stayed away from repeating pitches.
Yes, Castillo had looked very good against the Tigers anemic offence. Not so much against the Jays. When Wilson walked to the mound, this was Castillo's line vs the Jays this year:
12.1 IP, 22 H, 10 R, 5 BB. 9 K. 2 HR, plus the bases loaded with one out.
Nigel - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:14 AM EDT
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Full credit to Schneider for how he handled that mound confrontation. Things could have gone very differently. That’s what leadership looks like - put your ego aside.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:14 AM EDT
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Here's what Castillo did leading up to the pull:
- Clement line single 91.1ev
- Barger line out (crawford snocone grab) 79.2ev
- IKF double 96.1ev
- Gimenez HR 102.4ev
- Springer groundout 76.7ev
- Lukes ground single up the middle 104.0ev
- Vladdy line single up the middle 94.6ev
- Kirk BB
I wondered that, too, but it was more a shoulder check than a push. My take is that Max was so amped up coming off the field that anybody in his way was going to get contact.
I was reading a summary of the game at one of the Seattle Mariner sites and it was interesting to see someone on the other sides take on Schneider's mound visit. The writer said," Schneider, who is known for his sometimes premature pulls of starting pitchers, headed out to the mound to talk to Scherzer and Max sent him back to the dugout with his tail between his legs."
Well, the premature part is right but I don't think Schneider had any real intention of pulling Scherzer at that point. As Dan Shulman put it, when Schneider jogs to the mound, it's usually to talk to the pitcher, and when he walks slowly he's going to call in a reliever. Regardless, I think it will be an iconic moment in Blue Jay's playoff lore.
Because Schneider: a) didn't react angrily to being yelled at; and b) didn't have a throw down with his starter on the mound in the 5th inning of the biggest game of the season, he went back "with his tail between his legs"? What a weird take. I think that's a comment based on the world around us rather than on Schneider.
If you watch that Walker/Scherzer moment in the dugout, Walker was laughing so it was definitely not an "incident". The funniest part of the whole thing was the laughing expression on Clement's face as he jogged back to 3rd.
According to the New York Times, Schneider had every intention of pulling Scherzer:
"“I tell the starters, if I walk to the mound, you’re coming out. If I jog, you can talk me out of it,” Schneider said. “I started walking. He just went, ‘NO!’ So I proceeded to jog. Before I got there, he goes, ‘I’m good. I’m f—— good!’ I said, ‘Are you? Are you sure?’ And he went, ‘YEAH!’ And I went, you better f—— execute then. And he said, ‘I f—— will!”"
Walker was standing near the entrance of the dugout, possibly waiting to talk to Scherzer and it seems like Scherzer shoved him out of the way and went to sit down further away.That was basically telling him "Don't talk to me, I'm focusing."
When Schneider came out to actually pull him the next time for real, he did what he usually does - signals to the pen as soon as he steps out of the dugout, without giving the pitcher any chance to disagree.
Honestly, it's nice to see a pitcher show that fire.
Schneider does have premature pulls, but pretty much every manager in baseball does this at the first sign of trouble these days. It either looks brilliant or stupid, depending on what happens next.
It's been awesome seeing the contributions from the bottom of the order. There is no question that our success this year has in large part been from high level depth performance.
Most importantly, no matter what happens, it's been a fun season to watch. Some seasons you get unlucky break after unlucky break. The regular season this year felt like the opposite.
I think the," Schneider went back to the dugout with his tail between his legs." was just sour grapes from the Seattle writer. I don't think John Schneider is intimidated by any of his players. Also, it appeared to me that when Max saw him coming out of the dugout, he said "Whoa!" not "No!"