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Scherzer (5-5, 5.19) vs Castillo (11-8, 3.54)
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uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 07:15 PM EDT (#470573) #
​Santander done for the year, Loperfido on the roster. official.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 07:22 PM EDT (#470574) #
Shi Davidi
@ShiDavidi
The injury for Anthony Santander is lumbar spine inflammation.

Joey Loperfido has been with team throughout post-season, working out to stay ready.

Bo Bichette hit on the field and ran in the outfield but hasn't tried to run the bases again since his attempt Saturday.
Katie - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 07:23 PM EDT (#470575) #
I thought it was a bit of a fool's game to rush Santander back, but I'm glad they didn't hesitate on pulling the plug with him if his health is going to be dicey for the rest of the playoffs.

Glad they acted quickly.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#470576) #
it's unforunate that his back went. probably not completely unrelated to his other injury but at the same time it's still a completely different new second injury.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 08:41 PM EDT (#470577) #
ok max.

​add one more legend to your legendary career.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#470578) #
95 to Raleigh there. that'll do.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#470579) #
96 now
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#470580) #
uh oh max. dial it in a bit
Michael - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 08:47 PM EDT (#470581) #
double play would be nice now.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#470582) #
oooohhhh that was a great pitch.


mad max folks.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 08:51 PM EDT (#470583) #
96.5 high that inning. Must be his hardest pitch of the year.
Eephus - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#470584) #
These Mariners seem rather unstoppable in their ability to hit balls over the fence. The key, me thinks, is to continue making sure these are solo shots not back breaking jackpots.
blu-j - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:03 PM EDT (#470585) #
These early gopher balls to opponents is getting old -- Like last night though, plenty of game left.
Michael - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:05 PM EDT (#470586) #
Yeah, giving up HR has always been a weakness of our pitching so it doesn't match up well. But I do have faith in our offense and resiliency, so, as with yesterday, there's still a lot of innings left.
Michael - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#470587) #
Many of us were questioning IKF, so of course the hit.
Michael - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#470588) #
8-9 again!!
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#470589) #
Andres Gimenez cleanup hitter is back! What an AB.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#470590) #
Gimenez!

thank you, Greatkins!
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:14 PM EDT (#470591) #
Andres “Stealth Dumper” Gimenez
blu-j - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#470592) #
Early hook...from Seattle!
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#470593) #
friendly ump / bad receiving by Cal. I'll take it.

Dan Wilson just hit the panic button tho.
Michael - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#470594) #
Knocking out the SP early bodes well for both this and next game possibly. But really bases loaded and 1 out means this could be the key PA of the game.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:25 PM EDT (#470595) #
Fantastic PA by Varsho. A+
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#470596) #
letting barger face the lefty was a choice.
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#470597) #
Would have been good to get another one out of that but great inning. Another horrible ab by Barger too.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#470598) #
Disappointing PA by Clement and Barger, but still a great inning: the Blue Jays scored 3 runs, knocked out Castillo, and forced the top M’s LH reliever to enter the game in the third inning and throw 17 pitches.
blu-j - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#470599) #
Hope that those back-to-back ugly Ks with the bases loaded don't come back to bite us -- Let's go, Max!
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#470600) #
Scherzer walking the tightrope. Gotta be ready to get him out of there if he falters much more.

Good job to get Arozarena after the unfortunate leadoff walk to Rivas.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#470601) #
Wow huge pickoff by Scherzer!
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#470602) #
great move, great tag.



massive clutch play.
Eephus - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#470603) #
One of those weird things I greatly enjoy in baseball is witnessing an excellent pickoff throw from a RH pitcher to first base (the disadvantage is obvious of course). That one there has to be one of my all-time favourites should the Jays hold on to win this one. Great timing by Scherzer and Guerrero’s tag was perfect.
SK in NJ - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:41 PM EDT (#470604) #
Not pinch hitting Schneider for Barger in the 3rd inning might come back to haunt the Jays later. That was a huge moment in the game, and Barger aside from a garbage time home run last night has been dreadful for a while. Hopefully the Jays can tack on some more and make that decision meaningless.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#470605) #
I thought the Clement PA was the key one (bases loaded, one out). He got overaggressive early in the count swinging at balls).
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:44 PM EDT (#470606) #
Great ab by IKF.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#470607) #
Autumn of George!
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#470608) #
made Wilson pay for that dumb choice. nice.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:53 PM EDT (#470609) #
Could not have asked for a better start to this road game. Now lock it down with good pitching and defense, and some additional insurance runs.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:56 PM EDT (#470610) #
max is starting to feel the legend coming on
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 09:57 PM EDT (#470611) #
Scherzer looks intense…fierce
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:04 PM EDT (#470612) #
Scherzer is getting a year younger each inning.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#470613) #
Brash had an easy inning there. Don’t take the foot off the gas, Blue Jays (to quote Ernie).
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:16 PM EDT (#470614) #
Max you absolute legend
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#470615) #
Epic performance. Love that intensity. Live Seattle using their top bullpen guys a lot too.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#470616) #
So good.

So who pitches the sixth for the Blue Jays? Max? Someone else?
blu-j - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#470617) #
Hell of an outing by Max!!! The scream at the manager may be a lasting image from this game!
Eephus - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#470618) #
Not sure John Schneider would’ve returned to the dugout with all his limbs intact if he’d tried to pull Scherzer there, excellent call not to. What a gutsy performance…
blu-j - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#470619) #
Are we about to get Varland again?
Katie - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#470620) #
I think Mad Max is done and we will get Varland, but this start went about as well as you could reasonably hope.
SK in NJ - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:21 PM EDT (#470621) #
There was something poetic about John Schneider trying to go to the bullpen early and being scolded to go back to the dugout, especially after what happened with Gausman in Game 1.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:22 PM EDT (#470622) #
“Barger aside from a garbage time home run last night has been dreadful”

Thanks for the diss — again! (Gimenez yesterday, Barger today)
blu-j - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:23 PM EDT (#470623) #
Ummm...Barger couldn't get to third on that nubber?  Maybe to tough to gauge from 2nd base on the swinging bunt?
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#470624) #
if max actually scared schneider into letting him face Cal and Julio for a 3rd time that's amazing.
Katie - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#470625) #
I assume he couldn't tell on the initial contact how hard it was and by the time he read it, it was too late, in his mind, to advance, but with the Gimenez grounder, it cost them a run.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:27 PM EDT (#470626) #
I think Max has been so good that Schneider is willing to give him a bit of rope to face the top of the order — at least a batter or two.

Also, Varland has been known to implode from time to time.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#470627) #
maybe it's 5yrs younger each inning.
Katie - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:30 PM EDT (#470628) #
I'm okay with this if it's leaving him in until there's a base runner.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#470629) #
As Buck said, Max put on a clinic.

Many of us were probably hoping for a B or B+ performance from him, and we got an A+ one.
Gerry - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:34 PM EDT (#470630) #
Schneider pointed to the bullpen almost before he left the dugout.
Gerry - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#470631) #
Little has really dropped on the depth chart.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#470632) #
Oh man that was a bad 3-1 call by the home plate ump.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:38 PM EDT (#470633) #
ahhh robot umps dammit
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#470634) #
yes barger what a throw that was so clutch.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#470635) #
A couple of clutch Barger defensive plays this game - a catch an inning or two ago, and that throw.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#470636) #
Barger struck out with the bases loaded early on, but he has since had a double, made a very good catch in RF in an important situation, and gunned down a baserunner in another important situation. Pretty good.
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:42 PM EDT (#470637) #
Need to score some more runs. Three run lead isn't enough.
Gerry - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#470638) #
The Jays continue to search for a reliever who can come on in relief of the starter and not give up a run.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:43 PM EDT (#470639) #
I’m really enjoying Buck Martinez’s broadcasting this postseason.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:44 PM EDT (#470640) #
A superstar is born.
Chuck - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:46 PM EDT (#470641) #
ahhh robot umps dammit

Not sure you'd want that tonight. The Jays' big inning was heavily contingent on Kirk walking on strike four.

greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:48 PM EDT (#470642) #
Front office thanking its lucky stars they signed Vladdy to that contract.
SK in NJ - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:51 PM EDT (#470643) #
Glad Varland is starting an inning rather than coming in with runners on base. Hopefully that leads to better results.
BlueJayWay - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#470644) #
....and make that another Barger play
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:53 PM EDT (#470645) #
What a defensive night for Barger in RF.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#470646) #
letting Barger face the lefty in the 3rd was indeed a choice.


a very very good choice.
SK in NJ - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#470647) #
That decision to keep Barger in the game in the 3rd inning looking pretty good.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:56 PM EDT (#470648) #
Good defense wins ballgames.
Eephus - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#470649) #
Varland threw what, 5 pitches? Six? Wonder if they let him face Arozarena to start next inning. As long as there aren’t two guys on base, he’s been pretty darn good most of the postseason.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 10:59 PM EDT (#470650) #
Barger after his early K:

Great catch
Double
Guns down baserunner
Great catch
Walk
Nigel - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#470651) #
Clement goes on some crazy heaters.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#470652) #
best bunt of all time
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:04 PM EDT (#470653) #
Gimenez is clearly seeing the ball well at the plate. Hope this continues for a while. It’s so helpful to the team.

Good that the Blue Jays are working the Seattle ‘pen over in this game.
Gerry - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#470654) #
Alfonso Marquez has a Doug Eddings type strike zone tonight.
greenfrog - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:13 PM EDT (#470655) #
Crisp pitching by Hoffman to Arozarena, Raleigh, Rodriguez.

John Schneider making all the right moves.
blu-j - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#470656) #
This version of Hoffman is cool with me!
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#470657) #
Man, the difference between good Hoffman and bad Hoffman is so stark. Let's keep seeing this one please (by not overpitching him)
ayjackson - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:14 PM EDT (#470658) #
Eddings and Marquez the best MLB have to offer?

Nice pitching, Hoff!
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:19 PM EDT (#470659) #
rested hoff a bit better than 4 days in 5 nights hoff.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:21 PM EDT (#470660) #
that clearly hit the grass lmao. way clearer than that varsho crap.
uglyone - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#470661) #
my faith was definitely shaken, but i couldn't believe that this team would go down without a fight.

what a game. what an amazing season.

best of 3 now - i don't believe in momentum tho. We gotta come out as if every game is game 7.
Glevin - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:32 PM EDT (#470662) #
Home Field advantage is back. Win tomorrow and Jays are in the driver seat.
Magpie - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#470663) #
Dan Wilson just hit the panic button tho.

I agree. Inexplicable to me. Castillo has been a beast this October and Varsho was the hitter - someone Castillo completely owns (1-12) and had struck out earlier in the game.
SK in NJ - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:38 PM EDT (#470664) #
What a performance by Scherzer. Incredible stuff from a first ballot HOFer. Turned back the clock in the biggest stage. Fun to watch.
Magpie - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:49 PM EDT (#470665) #
Josh Naylor had a big night (and is a lot of fun) - but making the third out of the inning at third base with the tying run stepping up tom hit... thank you very much.
jjdynomite - Thursday, October 16 2025 @ 11:54 PM EDT (#470666) #
Giminez' OPS of .907 would put him second on the Mariners after Raleigh, but is fifth on the Jays after Vladdy, Ernie, George and Varsho. Who said T-Mobile Park was a pitcher's stadium? :)
Nigel - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:14 AM EDT (#470667) #
Two runners getting thrown out on the bases in high leverage situations, Wilson losing his marbles with the early pull and Raleigh whiffing on a very blockable ball in the dirt (he’s really not good at blocking balls in the dirt as we’ve now seen a few times) - Seattle had a rough game.
scottt - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 07:04 AM EDT (#470668) #
It looked like a pre-planned move.
Bring Spier for the first lefty after Kirk and keep him in until Guerrero to maximize his window.
Jonny German - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 07:24 AM EDT (#470669) #
Some fool a week ago, before the ALCS roster was announced: "I don't see any role for Scherzer.".

Never been happier to be wrong. Fantastic performance, well done Mad Max and credit to those who kept believing in him.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 08:58 AM EDT (#470670) #
Amazing article in the athletic today - might be the best thing Rosenthal has produced.

Nice little tidbit hidden amongst the big mad max story was max giving credit to Kirky for calling that curve over and over again because he saw how good it was in this one.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:03 AM EDT (#470671) #
I thought that both the Yanks' and Mariners' pitching staffs were being overrated heading into the playoffs, and that both were clearly just ok, not great, and not significantly different than ours.

But even then, what the Jays' offense is doing is legit amazing, and it's not even some crazy babip fluke:


1. TOR: 8gms, 7.38r/gm, 7.2bb%, 14.7k%, .307babip, .301avg, .246iso, .380woba, 148wrc+
2. LAD: 9gms, 4.56r/gm, 9.2bb%, 23.2k%, .317babip, .254avg, .164iso, .328woba, 110wrc+
3. SEA: 9gms, 4.22r/gm, 9.5bb%, 28.1k%, .263babip, .215avg, .167iso, .296woba, 95wrc+
4. NYY: 7gms, 4.00r/gm, 7.7bb%, 25.3k%, .319babip, .251avg, .128iso, .300woba, 93wrc+
5. CHC: 8gms, 2.88r/gm, 7.6bb%, 29.2k%, .274babip, .221avg, .169iso, .294woba, 88wrc+
6. PHI: 4gms, 3.74r/gm, 10.8bb%, 24.1k%, .265babip, .212avg, .146iso, .285woba, 80wrc+
7. MIL: 8gms, 3.13r/gm, 9.0bb%, 23.0k%, .229babip, .197avg, .141iso, .269woba, 71wrc+
8. DET: 8gms, 3.63r/gm, 8.8bb%, 26.8k%, .276babip, .207avg, .110iso, .269woba, 69wrc+
9. CLE: 3gms, 3.33r/gm, 9.1bb%, 24.2k%, .206babip, .178avg, .144iso, .251woba, 60wrc+
10. SDP: 3gms, 1.67r/gm, 4.8bb%, 19.0k%, .216babip, .189avg, .116iso, .242woba, 58wrc+
11. CIN: 2gms, 4.50r/gm, 12.7bb%, 31.6k%, .302babip, .194avg, .030iso, .251woba, 54wrc+
12. BOS: 3gms, 2.00r/gm, 9.3bb%, 27.8k%, .277babip, .198avg, .063iso, .249woba, 54wrc+



Here's arguably the Top-10 Postseason Offenses in MLB History:

1. 1910 PHA: 5gms, 7.00r/gm, 168wrc+
2. 1989 OAK: 9gms, 6.44r/gm, 153wrc+
3. 2025 TOR: 8gms, 7.38r/gm, 148wrc+
4. 1960 NYY: 7gms, 7.86r/gm, 147wrc+
5. 1970 BAL: 8gms, 7.50r/gm, 146wrc+
6. 1932 NYY: 4gms, 9.25r/gm, 139wrc+
7. 2007 BOS: 14gms, 7.07r/gm, 135wrc+
8. 2018 HOU: 8gms, 5.25r/gm, 134wrc+
9. 1976 CIN: 7gms, 5.86r/gm, 133wrc+
10. 1889 NYG: 9gms, 8.11r/gm, 132wrc+

James W - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#470672) #
I know it's a straight WRC+ ranking, but that's just blasphemy to rank this team over the 1889 New York Giants!
Mike Green - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#470673) #
Andres Gimenez has taken a lot of flak here for his batting during the regular season.  I have said a couple of times here that Gimenez was unlucky this year, and I thought that I should flesh that out. 

Gimenez hit .210/.285/.313 this year, which is indeed bad. But he didn't strike out much, he walked enough and he hit for some power.  The problem was his BABIP of .239, well below his career norms.  And it wasn't his batted ball profile- he had a good line drive rate, he didn't pop up much and he hit more balls on the ground than in the air.  It was just bad luck.  Statcast had his expected BA at .258.  Or to look at it another way, Gimenez' career slash line .253/.317/.382, good for a wRC+ of 98.  Over his career, his wOBA is .306 and his xwOBA is .304.  This year, his wOBA was .269 and his xwOBA was .313.  In other words, he hit better this year in fact than over his career and got enough bad luck that his slash line was much worse than his career average.  

That two-run single last night?  The worm might have turned on Gimenez' luck.  

I think he's a very good player, and might have another gear.
92-93 - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:42 AM EDT (#470674) #
It may have been the curve looking good, or Max just not wanting to say he didn't have great command of his fastball. He looked more comfortable throwing everything else when he needed a strike.

I thought leaving Barger in with a lead there was an easy decision, considering the Mariners were burning the only lefty they trust in the 3rd inning. If the manager thought that was a good spot for Schneider, he should be starting him.

Did Little drop on the depth chart? Perhaps it was just a matter of Fluharty being the early move for lefties, with Little being held back for a high leverage spot later. Fluharty has gone 4 of the last 5 days now.

The bullpen is still in really good shape for tonight, with Lauer and Bassitt available to help.
scottt - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 10:48 AM EDT (#470675) #
Scherzer located a lot of first pitch fastballs right on the corners. He didn't get much chase expending from there, but he stayed away from repeating pitches.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#470676) #
yeah i didn't think fastball command was an issue tbh. lots of paint on the edges.

but that curveball was easily the best i've seen from him. it was deadly.
hypobole - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:08 AM EDT (#470677) #
In defence of Wilson's move to pull Castillo.

Yes, Castillo had looked very good against the Tigers anemic offence. Not so much against the Jays. When Wilson walked to the mound, this was Castillo's line vs the Jays this year:

12.1 IP, 22 H, 10 R, 5 BB. 9 K. 2 HR, plus the bases loaded with one out.
Nigel - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#470678) #
Full credit to Schneider for how he handled that mound confrontation. Things could have gone very differently. That’s what leadership looks like - put your ego aside.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#470679) #
Here's what Castillo did leading up to the pull:

- Clement line single 91.1ev
- Barger line out (crawford snocone grab) 79.2ev
- IKF double 96.1ev
- Gimenez HR 102.4ev
- Springer groundout 76.7ev
- Lukes ground single up the middle 104.0ev
- Vladdy line single up the middle 94.6ev
- Kirk BB
92-93 - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:17 AM EDT (#470680) #
What was with Scherzer shoving Walker in the dugout? Just pure adrenaline?
pooks137 - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:47 AM EDT (#470681) #
Schneider was asked about Max' dugout Pete Walker elbow/shove during the postgame presser.

The reporter who asked John the question gave the "It was nothing" option, which was the reply that the manager took.
ISLAND BOY - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 11:55 AM EDT (#470682) #
I wondered that, too, but it was more a shoulder check than a push. My take is that Max was so amped up coming off the field that anybody in his way was going to get contact.

I was reading a summary of the game at one of the Seattle Mariner sites and it was interesting to see someone on the other sides take on Schneider's mound visit. The writer said," Schneider, who is known for his sometimes premature pulls of starting pitchers, headed out to the mound to talk to Scherzer and Max sent him back to the dugout with his tail between his legs."

Well, the premature part is right but I don't think Schneider had any real intention of pulling Scherzer at that point. As Dan Shulman put it, when Schneider jogs to the mound, it's usually to talk to the pitcher, and when he walks slowly he's going to call in a reliever. Regardless, I think it will be an iconic moment in Blue Jay's playoff lore.
Nigel - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#470683) #
Because Schneider: a) didn't react angrily to being yelled at; and b) didn't have a throw down with his starter on the mound in the 5th inning of the biggest game of the season, he went back "with his tail between his legs"? What a weird take. I think that's a comment based on the world around us rather than on Schneider.
Nigel - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:08 PM EDT (#470684) #
If you watch that Walker/Scherzer moment in the dugout, Walker was laughing so it was definitely not an "incident". The funniest part of the whole thing was the laughing expression on Clement's face as he jogged back to 3rd.
92-93 - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#470685) #
According to the New York Times, Schneider had every intention of pulling Scherzer:

"“I tell the starters, if I walk to the mound, you’re coming out. If I jog, you can talk me out of it,” Schneider said. “I started walking. He just went, ‘NO!’ So I proceeded to jog. Before I got there, he goes, ‘I’m good. I’m f—— good!’ I said, ‘Are you? Are you sure?’ And he went, ‘YEAH!’ And I went, you better f—— execute then. And he said, ‘I f—— will!”"
scottt - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:33 PM EDT (#470686) #
Walker was standing near the entrance of the dugout, possibly waiting to talk to Scherzer and it seems like Scherzer shoved him out of the way and went to sit down further away.That was basically telling him "Don't talk to me, I'm focusing."
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:55 PM EDT (#470687) #
When Schneider came out to actually pull him the next time for real, he did what he usually does - signals to the pen as soon as he steps out of the dugout, without giving the pitcher any chance to disagree.
Kelekin - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#470688) #
Honestly, it's nice to see a pitcher show that fire.

Schneider does have premature pulls, but pretty much every manager in baseball does this at the first sign of trouble these days. It either looks brilliant or stupid, depending on what happens next.

It's been awesome seeing the contributions from the bottom of the order. There is no question that our success this year has in large part been from high level depth performance.

Most importantly, no matter what happens, it's been a fun season to watch. Some seasons you get unlucky break after unlucky break. The regular season this year felt like the opposite.
ISLAND BOY - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#470689) #
I think the," Schneider went back to the dugout with his tail between his legs." was just sour grapes from the Seattle writer. I don't think John Schneider is intimidated by any of his players. Also, it appeared to me that when Max saw him coming out of the dugout, he said "Whoa!" not "No!"
92-93 - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 01:32 PM EDT (#470690) #
Miller has pronounced splits over his career (.594/.785), so I expect to see Loperfido in the lineup tonight.

Springer
Lukes
Guerrero
Kirk
Varsho
Clement
Barger
Loperfido
Gimenez

Three lefties at the bottom aren't as big a problem against the Mariners, especially with IKF, Straw, and Schneider on the bench.
uglyone - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 02:11 PM EDT (#470691) #
man i would hate it if Schneider can't get into the lineup even with Santander and Bichette out.
92-93 - Friday, October 17 2025 @ 02:31 PM EDT (#470692) #
It's IKF back in the 8-hole. Ride the hot bat.
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