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Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble; give a whistle!
And this'll help things turn out for the best...


And so it comes to an end. Soon, 161 games will be in the books, and then it'll all finally be over: the disappointment, the frustration, the heartache, the anger, the finger-pointing, and the general unpleasantness. And that was just the Game Threads. [rimshot]

Yeah, it's been a pretty bad season in Toronto, and nobody associated with the team -- including players, coaches, management and fans -- has been happy with how it's gone. Personnel changes, both of the playing and coaching variety, likely will begin as soon as the last out is recorded this afternoon. The Expos and Brewers, virtually deadlocked with the Jays in the overall standings, will help determine today whether Toronto picks 4th, 5th or 6th next June. In short, few people will be sorry to close the door on 2004.

But there were still more than a few bright spots in the darkness -- the blossoming of Orlando Hudson, the maturation of Ted Lilly, the unanticipated contributions of Jason Frasor, and so forth. September allowed the team to show off a glimpse of a promising future, the heroics of Gustavo Chacin and the impact of Russ Adams, and these will accompany fans throughout the long off-season. You won't find much support for the proposition that this team will lose 90+ games again next year; yes, players underperformed, and maybe a .500 record was the likeliest result even coming out of spring training, but the fact remains that this team had way more than its share of bad luck in 2004.

So if I may suggest, there are a few things that Blue Jays fans should do today. First, give a standing ovation -- at the ballpark, in the local sports bar, in your living room, wherever you are -- when Carlos Delgado makes his last appearance in a Toronto uniform this afternoon. Let there be no talk today about defence, about salaries, or about no-trade clauses. Instead, stand up and salute the best player in Blue Jays history as he takes his curtain call; give him everything you've got.

Second, make sure you appreciate this, the final Jays game of the year: they may have frustrated or outraged you this season, but you and I both know you'll miss them when they're gone, and you'll eagerly anticipate their first re-appearance in Dunedin next spring. No one ever said fandom was easy: it demands patience, loyalty, optimism and a certain degree of forgetfulness. But if you can endure this season and emerge in 2005 ready to root for the home team again, you'll have passed a key crucible and will savour the eventual victories all that much more. Fans of the '77, '83, '87 and '91 Jays can attest to the fact that daybreak is always worth the long night.

And third .... always, always look on the bright side of life. Peace out, Bauxites.
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_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#28892) #
Very nice. I'm already getting choked up (in a manly baseball way, of course) about Delgado leaving. I understand how the Jays cannot afford him - believe me, I do - but it won't be the same next year without #25 batting fourth every day. And just who will take over in the Perfect Smile area of the team? Brandon League?

Anyway, Frank Menechino DH's and bats leadoff today against the lefty Brad Halsey. 2 through 5 is predictable, with Johnson sixth and playing left field. Hinske-Quiroz-Gomez is the bottom of the order. Josh Towers makes his second consecutive "Final Day of the Season After Roy Halladay Throws a Great Game The Day Before" start.

Jeter, ARod, and Sheffield are back in the lineup, 1-2-3 for the Yankees.
_Ryan Lind - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 01:09 PM EDT (#28893) #
JP is the colour man today?
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 01:18 PM EDT (#28894) #
I don't know -- haven't seen Cerutti yet. That would be cool, though.
_NickInNYC - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 01:25 PM EDT (#28895) #
Given Hiske's improvement I expect the life of Brian Butterfield will be somewhat more relaxed next year. And as to this year, well though I can't find a silver lining, you do always have to look on the bright side of life.
_NickInNYC - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 01:27 PM EDT (#28896) #
Oops, that's only for the Roundups, no?
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#28897) #
Has Faulds asked J.P. why he fired Patterson?
_Pete Warren - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 01:52 PM EDT (#28898) #
Hey guys...Been a regular at this site since I found it about a year and a half ago. I'm 18 and a MAD Jays fan here in Chatham, Ontario. I just love how you guys operate here, if more Torontonians and Canadian baseball fans visited, I think the interest level in the Jays would increase dramatically! Anyway been a huge Wilner fan since Opening Day 2002, and I love just researching, and coming up with different ideas to try and make the Jays better. I'm looking forward to the offseason and trying somehow to chase down the evil empires and bring the Jays back to the promised land. Lord knows we've waited quite a while....
_NickInNYC - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#28899) #
So, does anyone know off the top of his head, given arbitration raises and such, how much Ricciardi will have to play with this offseason?
_Ryan Lind - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#28900) #
1) Faulds didn't ask JP about Patterson, no.
2) Welcome, Pete.
3) Assuming the payroll is $50M, JP should have ~13M to play with, I figure.
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:00 PM EDT (#28901) #
Ugh I didn't like the call to have Gomez try to get home... the throw was way way ahead of him.
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#28902) #
http://dugoutdollars.blogspot.com/2003_07_06_dugoutdollars_archive.html
Nick,

This information (COMN) is out of date now, but it's good to make some computations with.
_mistermike - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:04 PM EDT (#28903) #
What does "COMN" mean?
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:05 PM EDT (#28904) #
COMN = click on my name (it's a way for us to include links easily)
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#28905) #
Hey does anyone know about the possible Divison moves coming next year? I keep hearing this rumor about Wash going to the AL and maybe us going to the NL... any truth to this?
_Pete Warren - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#28906) #
Hey guys...I've long been waiting to add my thoughts to this website... I know we're kinda beatin a dead horse here but if Delgado leaves do you guys have any ideas on what guys we can bring in here to replace him? I can't see JP going after Richie Sexson or Randall Simon, and I disagree with Wilner because he keeps saying the Jays might get Jose Valentin for a bat and an extra SS,DH 1b. Valentin may hit 20-30 homers, but he's poor defensively and stikes out ALOT. Also, Rheal Cormier is availible. I highly doubt that we will try and find someone or 2 lefties in our system...Cormier should be availible at a decent price, why not get a solid Canadian lefty at the back of our bullpen? Rotation for next year? Halladay, Lilly, Bush and then what? I guess it all depends if we sign Delgado, but I think if we don't, I think adding a guy like Pavano or another 15 win guy would give us the best rotation in the AL East!, perhaps even top 3 in the American League! If we got 4 guys like Halladay, Lilly, Pavano, Bush and perhaps Chacin waiting in the wings, I think we could turn our starting pitching into a strength. Those 5 along with 2 solid bats added (cheaper than Delgado) I think would make people excited and give us a good shot to win next year, coupled with the development of Hawaiian Punch out and Gustavo "King Kong Bundy" Chacin could make us pretty scary.....thoughts Bauxites?
_Moffatt - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:16 PM EDT (#28907) #
I guess nobody was listening to the game on the radio. Tom gave a big shout out to Kent, Aaron, and Robert of Batter's Box.

I almost spit out my coffee when I heard that. Good thing I didn't as I was driving at the time. :)
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:17 PM EDT (#28908) #
Pete,

Personally I won't try to hazard a guess as to what JP is going to do in the offseason, apart from the obvious of finding a 1B/DH and adding to the bullpen, hopefully amongst other moves.

Here's my only prediction: JP will surprise us.

(As to whether the surprises will turn out to be clever moves or not, I make no prediction.)

Certainly power is the glaring hole (assuming the exit of Delgado) and the FA market seems a bit thin on value-for-money power. So perhaps he'll trade for it.

As for being scary next year -- at present I find it impossible to be optimistic about next year. But maybe that's just fatigue from the end of a very wearing season.
_Geoff - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#28909) #
I've had a random trade prediction mulling about in my head for about a month now

To Tor: Durazo (to make room for Dan Johnson) and Redman

To Oak: Kearns and possibly a reliever

To Cin: Jays prospects, mostly pitching
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#28910) #
Geoff, I don't think the Reds will give up Kearns that easily.
_Moffatt - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#28911) #
Durazo and Redman seems like an awful lot for Kearns.
_Moffatt - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#28912) #
LOL. I said it was too much for Kearns, someone else said too little. Maybe it's not such a bad idea then. :)
_Paul D - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#28913) #
I think that the Mets are primed to do something stupid this off season. Or more stupid things I guess. I don't know their system, so I don't know who might be available (not Wright obviously), but maybe there could be something there.

Does anyone know what the feeling in Cin is towards Adam Dunn? I realize that JP doesn't seem to like high strikeout guys... but I think my pipe dream for this offseason is for the Jays to acquire Dunn.
_Pete Warren - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:28 PM EDT (#28914) #
Hey Andrew K,

I guess your right my friend. We shall see. I always kind of look forward to the month that the playoffs are on because it allows the hard luck Jays fans to take our minds off the frustration... F**k!

Finally this year I will get to hear Mike Wilner sign off for the year. The last 2 years my Fan affiliate CHOK in Sarnia has put Sarnia Sting Hockey on over my beloved Blue Jays. What has Wilner done on the postgame show the last 2 years? What do you think he will do this year? Perhaps give a Carlos Delgado memorial show? Hahaha

No really Mike, do it. It'll give me something to listen to while I'm doing this damn World History assignment.
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:36 PM EDT (#28915) #
And why would the A's pursue Kearns? They already have Kotsay at CF.
_Scott Levy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:37 PM EDT (#28916) #
2 on for Delgado. Let's see if he ends his Jays career in style.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:45 PM EDT (#28917) #
Whats the status of Eric Karros? If the Jays are looking for a cheap 1B with Power, this is definately someone they should look at.

I think his contract is done this year and he is unhappy in Oakland (lack of playing time), but this would be a great 1B/DH option.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#28918) #
**edit** he was released.
_Snowboy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#28919) #
Karros is done. Can't get the bat around anymore. Oakland released him in July.
(OF course, that doesn't mean JP won't sign him.)
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:51 PM EDT (#28920) #
Up until this year in Oakland he has had good numbers...

.340/.446/.286 in 2003 w/ the Cubs. In the very least he might be a good bench guy? God knows our luck with Injuries and Karros > Berg at DH.
_NickInNYC - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:52 PM EDT (#28921) #
Given that power is scarce this offseason, I'd definatly make a push to resign Delgado. I don't really understand Ricciardi's reluctance unless it's simply positioning to drive down Delgado's price. He should come cheap/production because of his down season this year and his willingness to provide a hometown discount. For all the talk of Sabr-teams exoiting market ineffiencies, they've got the equivalent dropped in their lap.
_Scott Levy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#28922) #
Up until this year, Karros has killed lefties. If the Jays sign someone like Palmeiro, a Palmeiro/Karros platoon could be mighty effective, assuming Karros isn't toast (which he very well could be).
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#28923) #
"Brandon League, also known as the Hawaiian Punch." - Faulds

Umm, Punchout, Faulds.

This guy is the George W Bush of baseball broadcasting.
_Snowboy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#28924) #
Karros's batting splits have become wider and wider over the last couple of years. He hasn't been able to hit RHP, but still okay vs LHP. For a RHB of his age, that means the sand has almost run out. And I think it did finally for him this year.

Regarding the trade suggested above, I think Durazo is only signed through 2004, I don't know if he's Oakland's property to trade? And Kearns is a corner OFer, not really CF.

Re: Delgado, I think JP is the only one who doesn't think it's a good idea to resign Delgado.
_bird droppings - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 02:59 PM EDT (#28925) #
Just left the game. Tons of Torontians out cheering on King Delgado... the last three games have been very anti Yankee, pro Jays which is a great change...

That is all.
_Geoff - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#28926) #
Durazo is arbitration eligible

Redman is signed at 4.25 for the next two years - at that salary I don't think he has a lot of trade value, but he could be useful for us
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:02 PM EDT (#28927) #
I think Escolona is thanking his luck stars that that was a Josh towers pitch and not a Hawaiian Punchout.
_Snowboy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#28928) #
Last AB for Carlos?
Wish there was someone on.
Stand up!
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#28929) #
General baseball question...

Say the Astros lose today and the Giants win. Both teams are tied for the NLWC.

How is it determined? I know Sportsnet just advertised for a potential wildcard tiebreaking game, but is it just 1 game or a 3 game set?

And where is it played? Houston or San Francisco?
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#28930) #
Great ovation for Carlos.

And he doubles to boot.
Leigh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#28931) #
Welcome to Da Box, Pete. With regard to your comments on Valentin:

Valentin may hit 20-30 homers

True.

but he's poor defensively

Untrue.

and stikes out ALOT.

That's fine; strikeouts are better than outs made on balls in play (value of an out on a ball in play, because of the probability and gravity of a double play, is less than that of a strikeout).
_My Names not Ry - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#28932) #
needed a homer to get 100....was it even very close?
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#28933) #
Headsup baserunning by Delgado. I see doubles like that all the time in my softball leagues - dont really expect them in the majors :)
_Fozzy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:11 PM EDT (#28934) #
Where the heck is Cerutti?
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#28935) #
Lime: Its a 1 game set, and its in SF IIRC.
_bird droppings - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#28936) #
I just realized I stole all the 518 RBI Pool money! I am the devil.
_JackFoley - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#28937) #
I will miss Delgado tremendously. I was 13 when the Jays won their second championship, but I truly came to appreciate Jays baseball during the Delgado years---in many ways he is inextricably linked to the Jays in my mind, and I don't believe that this team will be stronger without him in any way at all.
_NickInNYC - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:12 PM EDT (#28938) #
Pretty disappointing cheering by the fans for Delgado's (possibly) final AB. Looked like a lot of people didn't really know what was going on.
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#28939) #
jsoh,

Why is it in San Francisco? How was that determined?
_My Names not Ry - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#28940) #
Towers out again,..... guess Gibbons is going to give him every chance to get that 10 th win, I dont care if your arm is falling off, go out and pitch.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#28941) #
Valentin has a god awful BA and OBP. But again thats well below his avg from previous years.

.287/.473/.216 But I see no problem with him hitting 5th behind Wells. At least he wont GIDP and has his fair share of Doubles/HRs too.
_lurker - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#28942) #
Why in the hell is Towers in the game after 115 pitches? Bye bye game, nice call Gibbons.
_Scott Levy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#28943) #
I know it's a tie game and Carlos has a chance to come up again if it goes to the 9th or beyond, but I really wish Gibbons would have subbed in a pinch runner and had Carlos get a curtain call on his way back to the dugout. The last time I saw that involving the Jays was with Tony Fernandez after he hit a pinch hit grand slam against the Yankees a few years ago. Gave me goosebumps as a Jays fan.

Bernie hits it out. Looks like Carlos had his last AB, unless the Jays can rally.

needed a homer to get 100....was it even very close?

It was a ground ball that went through the shifted infield, which Carlos legged into a double. In other words, no, not very close.
_Moffatt - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#28944) #
That's fine; strikeouts are better than outs made on balls in play (value of an out on a ball in play, because of the probability and gravity of a double play, is less than that of a strikeout).

I agree with this line of thinking, but the GM doesn't seem to, if we're to believe a lot of the interviews he gives.

I'd put the odds of Valentin being a Jay next year at 20-1.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#28945) #
Just browsing and I found this (off topic I know). But one of the Best trade by the Bo-Sox?

Seattle Mariners traded Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek to the Boston Red Sox for Heathcliff Slocumb.
_Snowboy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:17 PM EDT (#28946) #
It's the 7th, so maybe some are hoping to see him again?
Or are in denial about next year?
Also, Carlos not tipping his hat (or hand); didn't encourage them.
I think it was his last, maybe I'll be wrong. But I don't think so, and I'll sure miss him. The Greatest Jay.
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#28947) #
Lime: That most scientific of procedures, the coin-flip. SF won, so Houston has to go on the road.
_Scott Levy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:20 PM EDT (#28948) #
Pretty disappointing cheering by the fans for Delgado's (possibly) final AB. Looked like a lot of people didn't really know what was going on.

I agree. It started very slow, than gradually increased, but not as loud as I thought it would be.

Well, no one is going to confuse Skydome for Busch, Fenway, or Yankee Stadium, that's for sure.
_bird droppings - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:21 PM EDT (#28949) #
Missing him already.
A class act all around.
Future in question.
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:24 PM EDT (#28950) #
Oooh. Bustin' out the senryu. Me like.

Anyways, from the Top 10 Signs That Joe Torre Is Mailing It In:

#5. Sends Ruben Sierra out to make a pitching change
[...]
#3. Brings in Tanyon Sturtze in a close game.
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#28951) #
Tenrun "Deer in the Headlights" Sturtze in the game.

As for the fans who just sat there during Delgado's AB, they probably

a) were Yankee fans

b) are optimistic he'll be back next year
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:26 PM EDT (#28952) #
Not sure if that was a Haiku (aren't they 5/7/5 syllables?), bird droppings, but here's my effort:

Carlos Delgado
The heart of the Jays ripped out
Irreplaceable
_lurker - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#28953) #
Or maybe Delgado just isn't as great as some people think he is? Perhaps he would have gotten a massive ovation if people actually thought he deserved it? He was at best a very good player and he got a very good ovation.

As for the team, maybe we'll win some games next year if we actually play to win instead of trying to pad stats. In this very game J.P. was saying that they need to keep a close eye on Towers, a guy who typically throws 85-90 pitches and isn't that durable. Running him out there with 115 pitches and League rested in the pen borders on retarded.
_my names not Ca - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:27 PM EDT (#28954) #
Delgado batting what fifth now.... yankess score one in top of 9, delgado up 2 out, hits 3 run shot....the stuff movies are made of, or, Gomez grounds out, menochino strikes out, and hudson strikes out, the stuff this season is made of.
_Ron - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#28955) #
The Jays better clutch up so Delgado can get another AB.

Of course Torre could play nice guy and give a couple of free passes so Delgado can get one last AB in front of the faithful.
_Moffatt - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#28956) #
He was at best a very good player and he got a very good ovation.

How do you figure he was only "very good"? Prior to this year Delgado was in the Top 10 in the league for OBP and in the Top 10 in the league for SLG in each of the last four seasons. The list of guys who have done that recently is pretty small.
_Scott Levy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:33 PM EDT (#28957) #
Mariano Rivera is the pitching coach today, so he's probably not coming in for the 9th. Of course, Tenrun will probably do his Rivera impression in the 9th.

I know how this will end. Carlos will be on deck when Vernon Wells makes the final out. Carlos will end his Jays career on deck with 99 RBI. This is the Season From Hell for a reason, folks.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#28958) #
Given up on the walk off HR winner Scott?
_My Names not Ry - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:38 PM EDT (#28959) #
gomez grounds out, gee i called this one, menchochino grounds out not k's...yep this is the way the season goes
_Fozzy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:39 PM EDT (#28960) #
Know what's amazing? The Yankees already have 39.95 tied up in salaries - for 2011. That's unbelievable.
_Fozzy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#28961) #
Oops, I meant 39.95 million. Darn those cuts and pastes :)
_myn ames not Ca - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#28962) #
cameron you got it...wells up, carlos on deck
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#28963) #
Here comes the moment of truth Scott... The yanks missed catching that foul ball by Hudson just to crush your hopes and dreams.
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#28964) #
Carlos on deck.

Will he be left there like Scott said?
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#28965) #
Wow.
_NickInNYC - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#28966) #
Dammit Vern.
_Fozzy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#28967) #
Seymour Skinner style: "DAMN! DANG! DARN!"
_Geoff - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#28968) #
Season From Hell: Over
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#28969) #
Players hugging Delgado.

I guess they know for sure he won't be back.
_Ron - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:43 PM EDT (#28970) #
Season from Hell is Over!!!

If you told me the Jays would finish with 67 wins and finish dead last the AL East at the beginning of the season I would have said you were crazy.
_JackFoley - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:44 PM EDT (#28971) #
So that happened. Good game overall. I am going to be the blind optimist and assume that I will see Mr. Delgado bat for the Jays once again.
_Scott Levy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:45 PM EDT (#28972) #
I hate being right in this instance, because I really wanted to see Carlos bat in the 9th, but if there's one thing i know in life, it's that Vernon Wells will pop out with 2 outs. Everytime. At least he got it to the outfield this time.

Oh well, bye Carlos.
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#28973) #
I love how Carlos keeps looking left and right every few seconds.

Guess he really doesn't like shaving cream.
_JackFoley - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:51 PM EDT (#28974) #
if there's one thing i know in life, it's that Vernon Wells will pop out with 2 outs. Everytime.

Unless there are men on, where his numbers surprisingly (to me, anyway) increase to the .900 OPS territory.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:53 PM EDT (#28975) #
Well sorry if I seem to think that Wells has the potential to be the best overall CF in the game. At least hes popping out and not grounding out every time.
Joe - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:56 PM EDT (#28976) #
http://me.woot.net
Let me be the first to go on record as saying I'll be sad if Rob Faulds isn't back next year. He handled the Delgado interview very well, made the signing-off comments that a good announcer would, and, overall, has been pretty good this year.

I think his ceiling is pretty high; Sportsnet should sign him before he gets to arbitration. :)
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 03:59 PM EDT (#28977) #
If Sportsnet can get rid of Faulds, DO IT!

Sorry Joe but I think you're a minority. Most of us are of the belief that Faulds is terrible.

Is he better than he was in previous years? Yes, but he's still the worst MLB broadcaster there is.
_lurker - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:01 PM EDT (#28978) #
"How do you figure he was only "very good"? Prior to this year Delgado was in the Top 10 in the league for OBP and in the Top 10 in the league for SLG in each of the last four seasons. The list of guys who have done that recently is pretty small."

I take it back, he's an uberstar who deserved to be showered in roses and have his car licked clean by the fans as he pulled out of Skydome parking.

Now for the serious part of my post. Stats alone have never made great players. Intensity and leadership added to stats make great players. Now I know I'm going to get flamed by all the stat fanboys on here for even hinting that Delgado was anything less than divine, but that's ok.

But before I go, I'm going to make a prediction on the Yankees in the playoffs this year. At one point I argued that I'd rather have Jeter leading my team into the playoffs over A-Rod. Well now they're both going into the playoffs on the same team, so let's see who performs.

I predict Jeter will do well compared to A-Rod. And not even because I think Jeter will hit .500, I just think A-Rod and his superior stats will choke hard. Feel free to discuss at length and offer your predictions! I'll be more than willing to admit I was wrong if I am, but are Jeter-haters prepared to eat crow if I'm right?
_Geoff - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#28979) #
I am definitely in the Pro-Faulds and Cerutti camp - they've done a heckuva job this year
Leigh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#28980) #
but he's still the worst MLB broadcaster there is.

I trust that you wouldn't make such a claim without having watched or listened to at least one set of broadcasters for each major league team this season.
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:04 PM EDT (#28981) #
All I can say is that if people think that Faulds is the worst broadcaster in MLB, then they aint watching a lot of baseball.

The homers on YES are particularily excruciating, but IMO most of the FOX B-teams (ie, anyone but Jack Buck) are pretty bad as well.
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#28982) #
Yes, but he's still the worst MLB broadcaster there is.

Lime, there's a man here named Hawk. He'd like a word with you.

I think Faulds handled it really well. He didn't say "will you be back?", he asked him if he will take time off before making a decision. I figure Faulds is just having a good time there; he's not excessively homerish or all that stupid, really. I'm fine with him in 2005.
_Snowboy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#28983) #
Doesn't Dan Schulman work for Fox?
Man, he's good. Wish he was still the Jays broadcaster.
_JackFoley - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#28984) #
I agree with Geoff---I have heard every TV broadcaster in the majors at one point or another this year thanks to the occasionally maddening MLB.tv, and Rob Faulds gets high marks from me. I agree that he is at times the George W. Bush of broadcasting, but I find his errors to be quite harmless. Besides, when you broadcast 135 games you are bound to screw up. Even the great Dan Shulman isn't immune to "2-2 pitch. Swing and a miss, strike three. Check that, now it's 2-2."
Joe - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:09 PM EDT (#28985) #
http://me.woot.net
Do I miss Schulman? Of course. (He's working for ESPN afaik.)

Do I advocate getting rid of Faulds so we can endure another broadcaster's growing pains? No way. Faulds is starting to get good. He might get really good. Do you really want to throw that away because he's made mistakes?
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#28986) #
I'll take Faulds over Bob Cole and Harry Neale any day.

(even if Faulds crosses over and does hockey).
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#28987) #
Shulman does ESPN Radio, and maybe some TV games.

I agree that he is at times the George W. Bush of broadcasting

Agreed. When Ligtenberg couldn't decide whether to throw a curveball or not, he was all over him -- but no mention was made of Faulds' lack of MLB service time.
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:10 PM EDT (#28988) #
mlb.tv has given me the pleasure of almost entirely the opposition broadcasters this year (I guess it's the same with extra innings?). I've only heard the Rogers broadcasters about half a dozen times, but they are undoubtedly not the worst.

The White Sox guys were particularly obnoxious. The Orioles guys are utterly boring, and the Devil Rays' play-by-play guy has the most grating voice I can imagine.

Personally, I don't mind the YES men, even with all their homerism (which is really just a belief that New York is the centre of the world). I'd trade any of the Rogers guys for Kenny Singleton in a heartbeat. The Boston people are alright too.
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:12 PM EDT (#28989) #
Doh. Beaten by Leigh.

On another note, I'd like to request a moratorium on the use of the phrase 'fanboy'. I recently made the mistake of going thru a thread on BTF in which anyone who attempted to defend Billy Beane was derided as a 'stats lovin fanboy'.

All I can say is that the instant the phrase gets used, the thread decends into a spiral of ad hominem screeds and flames.

It happens so often, that I'm now formulating Jsoh's Law:

As an online baseball discussion grows longer, the probability that some person is uncharitably referred to as a 'fanboy' approaches unity. Once this occurs, the discussion is deemed over, and the utilizer of the term 'fanboy' is adjudged to have lost

Fanboy: JUST SAY NO!
_Ryan Lind - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:14 PM EDT (#28990) #
(even if Faulds crosses over and does hockey).

I was watching NHL on the Fly about a year ago, and I could have SWORN I heard Rob Faulds announcing a Montreal Canadiens game. Can anyone confirm this? If it wasn't him, it was a guy that sounded a hell of a lot like him.

Put me in the camp that says Faulds and Cerutti (and Candiotti) did a good job this year. Faulds has improved quite a lot has a broadcaster, and I've always liked Cerutti. Candiotti's constant optimism gets old after awhile, but he's great in small doses. Faulds isn't the worst announcer in the MLB. Hell, he isn't even the worst baseball announcer in Canada.
Leigh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:17 PM EDT (#28991) #
jsoh, I don't know what a jib is, but I like the cut of yours.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:18 PM EDT (#28992) #
Yeah Ryan, that damned Trappers PBP caller gets on my nerves!
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#28993) #
So, as we turn to Sportsnet to watch the rest of the bonus coverage of Houston -- wait, what's this? Gilette World Sport? Yeah, I want to watch this instead of a game that can knock a team out of the playoffs.
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:23 PM EDT (#28994) #
Why thank you good sir! I get my jib's tailored by Harry Rosen: Jib-cutter to the stars.
_Ron - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:27 PM EDT (#28995) #
Here's an interesting stat, Hinske finished with the 2nd lowest OPS in the AL among starters only ahead of Eckstein.

This has been a season of frustration but none bigger than Hinske in my books. I fell hard line and sinker to his spring training talk. He said he dropped about 20pds in the off-season, was finally %100, and expected a huge year for himself.

I can't seem to explain why he performed so poorly this season.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:29 PM EDT (#28996) #
Not to mention cutting his previous seasons total in doubles right in half.

You see 20+ HRs his first year, 45 doubles the next... you expect BIG BIG things from him this year and he delivers nothing.
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:33 PM EDT (#28997) #
Well I can think of one thing which would cause both weight loss in the offseason and loss of power during the season, but I would never accuse a player of it without evidence. Surely the Jays wouldn't allow any player to do that?
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#28998) #
Sad and shocking news.

Just reported on The Score that John Cerutti died today.
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:34 PM EDT (#28999) #
Well, only 213 days until the next Jays game!

Hinske had a bizarre season. His OPS by month, just for fun:
April	  681
May 584
June 822
July 835
August 617
September 573


He finished with 688, I think. (ESPN has different stats up depending on which page you visit.) But what was up with those June and July numbers?
_Fozzy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#29000) #
Sorry Joe but I think you're a minority. Most of us are of the belief that Faulds is terrible.

You sure showed "us" Lime. If you possibly think Faulds is the worst, you never heard Rod Black's fawning over the Yankees and the Indians, and his now-infamous "four-run triple" and "fan interference single" calls.
_Fozzy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#29001) #
Are you serious Lime?

A sad, sad day for us; my condolences to the Cerutti family.
_Geoff - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:36 PM EDT (#29002) #
Yeah, the Cerutti news is on TSN's website - horribly, horribly sad news
_Ben - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#29003) #
No details yet but news of Cerutti's death is a horrific way to end the season.
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:37 PM EDT (#29004) #
http://tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=100794
I couldn't figure out why Cerutti wasn't in the booth today.

This is the worst part of the Season From Hell, no question. How tragic.
_Ron - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#29005) #
OMG I can't he was found in his hotel room.

I'm stunned.
_CaramonLS - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:39 PM EDT (#29006) #
Wow that is shocking... On the last day of the season too...
_Ryan Lind - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#29007) #
Oh my Lord.

I came here to announce that Dave McCarty pitched two scoreless innings, striking out three...but this news...SHIT. This is much more important.

I am absolutely speechless. How horrible.
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:41 PM EDT (#29008) #
Oh that's just awful.
_JackFoley - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#29009) #
Wow---RIP.
_Ron - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:46 PM EDT (#29010) #
All this stuff about Hinske sucking, Delgado leaving, JP doing a good/bad job is so trivial right now.

44 is way too young to die.
_Ryan Lind - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:47 PM EDT (#29011) #
There is no way the season from hell could have ended any worse. My God.

I wonder when Faulds found out...if he new before the broadcast...damn, it must have been awfully hard to continue with the game. As I said a few posts ago, I always liked Cerutti. Hopefully RSN can round up some highlights of him pitching with the Jays or something.

Damn.
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:48 PM EDT (#29012) #
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cerutjo01.shtml
You know, he really was a good pitcher. Why did he only play until 31, or just more than six seasons? I never knew much about him, and I've complained about him a lot, but it just doesn't matter anymore.

That must have been hard for Faulds to go through nine innings today. He must have known -- Cerutti was supposed to be at some 11 am meeting.
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:49 PM EDT (#29013) #
And they it was from natural causes.

What natural causes are there at 44? Was it known that Cerutti had some kind of condition?
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#29014) #
Suddenly, I seem to think he had a heart problem. Am I just making this up, or did he?
_the shadow - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#29015) #
Words just seem useless, RIP
_Lime - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:50 PM EDT (#29016) #
Rob, from what I've heard I do not think Faulds knew about the news during the broadcast.

Otherwise he probably would've said something, or shown some emotions.
_Pete Warren - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:51 PM EDT (#29017) #
Wow what a horrible season. I remember listening to the first "Wenesday's with JP" segment when they got swept by the Tigers and having a bad feeling about things. Ah well.

I think the "Mike" fellow who called into the Fan postgame with Wilner got it right. Asking for 10 million dollars from ownership shouldn't be a lot. Especially with the Jays attendance and interest dwindiling.

To tell you guys the truth I would rather have the Jays stock up on pitching to try and get to the playoffs. If we have a rotation and bullpen that can throw out 4,5 guys that can win 15 games in this league, than as long as we can get offense from Wells, Catalanotto, and perhaps a free agaent first baseman, we can do it.
Halladay, Lilly, Pavano (or someone else who could win 15), Bush, and 2 outstanding relievers...we could pitch our way to the playoffs...Thoughts?
_Moffatt - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#29018) #
The Star has the story on Cerruti.

My condolences to the Cerruti family. I absolutely cannot believe it.
_jsoh - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#29019) #
A definate tragedy. My condolences to the Cerutti family.

Sometimes people are just felled in the prime of life, for no particularily discernable reason. For every 3-pack-a-day smoker who lives to be 98, there's someone who eats well, exercises often, and just happens to have a weakened artery in the brain which lets go without warning.

Life sucks - the world is definately a poorer place today than it was yesterday.
Pistol - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 04:57 PM EDT (#29020) #
I started a new thread on Cerutti's death.
Thomas - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 05:30 PM EDT (#29021) #
Why did Ruben Sierra make a pitching change in the 8th inning? I was at the game and it seemed very odd. At first I thought it was Willie Randolph but Torre served his suspension yesterday, and it was much too big to be Randolph.
_Andrew K - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 05:37 PM EDT (#29022) #
Thomas,

The Yankees were taking today's game so seriously that they had Sierra acting as manager and Rivera as pitching coach. They all thought it was hilariously funny.
_Magpie - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 05:44 PM EDT (#29023) #
The Yankees were taking today's game so seriously that they had Sierra acting as manager and Rivera as pitching coach. They all thought it was hilariously funny.

The New York writers clued me in on this.

Its a Yankee tradition for the season finale (during the Torre years) if they have the Division clinched. Sierra was managing today and Rivera was the pitching coach. Last year Roger Clemens was the manager - he came out to give Wells the hook and Wells broke down laughing hysterically on the mound...
Coach - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#29024) #
I'm completely stunned to learn about Cerutti. There was no indication in the press box that anything tragic had occurred, and that kind of news would have spread very quickly, so it must have been kept quiet until after the game. If Rob Faulds and the production crew knew, they did an incredible job to go on with the show.

It seems so trivial now to have been concerned about Josh Towers' pitch count a couple of hours ago.
_Ron - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 05:56 PM EDT (#29025) #
http://tsn.ca/mlb/news_story.asp?id=100781
Nice to see the TSN write up give DA Box some props!
_Jeff Geauvreau - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#29026) #
http://www.ywbb.org/index.shtml
How terrible news to hear about John , what a way to go alone in a
Hotel Room. I hope and he did not suffer any pain.

My condolences go out to his wife and 3 children.

If anybody from the Cerutti family or friends is reading this please pass on the following information to John's widow.

My wife died at 37 years old on July 15/04 and I am a 42 yr old widower with 2 children of 5 and 8. The following website helped me cope.

COMN - click on my name for link.
www.youngwidow.org - This a website for young widows and widowers.

Rest in Peace John.

Jeff , Hannah and Landen
Coach - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 06:08 PM EDT (#29027) #
Nice to see the TSN write up give DA Box some props!

That's the Canadian Press wire story, so it will be read by a lot of people. Thanks to Shi Davidi for the mention; we certainly didn't make the presentation to Tom Cheek for publicity, merely as a token of our esteem and to give him a memento of all the heartfelt messages on that thread. Aaron did a fantastic job putting it all together.
_Braby - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 07:01 PM EDT (#29028) #
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1096801264687&call_pageid=968867503640&col=970081593064
COMN - Same article gives props to this site on waymoresports.com
_whizland2000 - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 07:42 PM EDT (#29029) #
Was this the worst season ever or what. What did the jays ever do to deserve this.

Hope for better days in 2005
_Scott Levy - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#29030) #
The law of averages should say the Jays are in for some luck next season.

Or maybe the law of averages was making up for last year's over-achievement.

...I'm depressed.

Bring on the Raptors....which may turn out to be more depressing....
Named For Hank - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 09:18 PM EDT (#29031) #
About Delgado's ovation -- I don't know about the TV or radio broadcasts, but it was loud for that at-bat in the Dome. Probably the loudest I've heard it all season, on par with winning free pizza volume.

I don't know if anyone saw it on TV, but that ball that Olerud caught in foul territory by the camera bay on the first base side was coming right at my head. I was in a grey shirt, looking terrified.
_Grimlock - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#29032) #
NFH: Me Grimlock agree. When they announced his name, everyone got up, even the old lady next to me Grimlock who was telling me why he must go after me Grimlock had yelled ("STAY, CARLOS!") The place was loud. Did not the ump or someone call time out to extend the ovation? Me Grimlock's big robot eyes even began to tear up a little. The place was loud.

Me Grimlock's favorite Delgado moment? In 2000, down 6-3 to Pedro Martinez, he hits a 3-run HR to tie the game in the 6th. You just KNEW he would homer in that situation, he was that type of player. The Jays would go on to lose in extras, thanks to Homer Bush's inability to do anything at all right.
_6-4-3 - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 10:06 PM EDT (#29033) #
Delgado's ovation was loud, at least from within the dome. Delgado did call time to keep the ovatoin going. It was a good send-off. The next ovation, had he came up in the 9th with the game on the line, or had he been taken out in the top of the 9th, would've been louder but that's the way the season's gone.

I might as well give my favourite Delgado memory. I was going to save it for the "Gone but not forgotten" thread, but I can tell it now, too. When I was younger, the Jays had a "Jr. Jays" program. It was basically a magazine / comic book, and it might've had throw ins like stickers, or cheaper tickets. Anyways, they were always hyping membership in the program. One of the tie-ins was a rookie card of a young catcher that they swore would be a superstar. That catcher was, of course, Carlos Delgado. My entire existance as a Jays fan has basically revolved around Delgado: wondering about who he was when the rookie card was offered, watching him become that superstar that was promised (although that catcher thing never worked out as planned), and now cheering what probably will be his last at-bat as a Jay. It's going to be bizzare seeing anyone else play first, but that's baseball.
_James W - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 10:13 PM EDT (#29034) #
I stood, and the eyes got watery, in the at bat in the 7th. And then I spent the top of the 8th figuring out how he could get another at bat, especially after Williams' HR. They needed only 2 batters to get on. And I spent the bottom of the 8th and 9th hoping and wishing he could get up there, so we could give him a proper send-off. The ovation in the 7th was nice, but could and should have been so much better.

My favourite Delgado memory is the same as Grimlock's. The big tying HR against Pedro (who back then was the best in the game).

Getting to our car, and turning on the radio and hearing that John Cerutti was found dead was just a total crush. It just makes me say "Why?"
_Rob - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 10:54 PM EDT (#29035) #
I don't know if anyone saw it on TV, but that ball that Olerud caught in foul territory by the camera bay on the first base side was coming right at my head. I was in a grey shirt, looking terrified.

In a strange coincidence, I taped today's game. Maybe because it was most likely Delgado's last game and I wanted to save it for the memories. Anyway, just now I flipped it on and fast-forwarded until I found Quiroz' foul popout in the fourth. It was indeed going directly for the camera bay, and I saw a guy sitting right near the front of the bay, wearing a dark grey shirt, bail out of the way. You were only on camera for about a second, they cut to a close-up on Olerud after that.

Just thought I'd let you know. ;) I remember, once I saw Faulds alone in the intro, I was wondering where Cerutti was. Then J.P and Tom did colour for four innings and I forgot about him until the wrap-up at then end. Looking at the beginning of the broadcast now, with Faulds perfectly centred in the frame, with no Cerutti to his left, sure is strange.
_Dez - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 11:01 PM EDT (#29036) #
I was standing and cheering during Carlos' last at bat, even after everyone sat down after the first pitch (!).. but then some loser behind me told me to sit down..
_Jobu - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#29037) #
If it wasn't the SFH, Vernon would have gone on base for Carlos. But of course it is the SFH so Carlos departure was not all it could be. Assuming the SFH stretches into the Off-SFH, one of two things must happen according to SFH rules:

Delgado leaves for an AL East team. Or Delgado is miraculously signed to the Jays at a huge cost which anchors down the team for years and keeps them from contending.
Named For Hank - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 11:30 PM EDT (#29038) #
and I saw a guy sitting right near the front of the bay, wearing a dark grey shirt, bail out of the way.

Oh yeah, that was me.

NFH's thought process:

Foul ball

Foul ball coming this way

Hey, there's a foul ball coming towards me...pretty fast

DUCK YOU IDIOT

Holy cow John Olerud is tall

Can you save that tape? I'd like to extract that moment.
_Jobu - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 11:33 PM EDT (#29039) #
Classic joke setup:

Say NFH. How tall WAS he?
_Magpie - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 11:36 PM EDT (#29040) #
Holy cow John Olerud is tall

Oh yes.

Way, way back I rode in the SkyDome elevator with Olerud and Tom Henke.

I felt like Frodo.
_Jobu - Sunday, October 03 2004 @ 11:41 PM EDT (#29041) #
That's it....

I'm convinced everyone in this city has met a Blue Jay but me.
_A - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 12:00 AM EDT (#29042) #
I took a walk to find some refreshments and as I was walking away from the concession stand a foul ball came screaming from the playing field into the concourse (I was behind section 121). The ball took a single bounce and then hit an empty wheelchair with two SkyDome employees about 2 ft on either side of the eventual target. The stunned and terrified look on their faces makes me think they'll never walk around the Dome the same again.
_Magpie - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 01:14 AM EDT (#29043) #
I'm convinced everyone in this city has met a Blue Jay but me.

My work doesn't take me onto the field or into the clubhouse, so its very unusual for me to run into an active player.

Off the top of my head, in fifteen years, all I can remember is bumping into Mike Huff down at Gate 9 for some reason, and my elevator ride with Olerud and Henke. I remember that so vividly because I'm pretty sure that at that time they were the tallest people I had ever been in a room with. Big, tall people.
_Jobu - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 01:16 AM EDT (#29044) #
Latley it seems like everyone has a story of runing into a Blue Jay. I have never seen one in person, active or not. Damn I wanna talk to a blue jay!!

Rant over.
_Andrew S - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 07:55 AM EDT (#29045) #
Jobu, no worries man, I haven't met a Blue Jays since my mother quit working for them, when I must have been about two. I have a pitcher somewhere with me and Jesse Barfield, and surely met others, but I don't remember any of it.
Craig B - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 08:51 AM EDT (#29046) #
My favourite Delgado memory is the same as Grimlock's. The big tying HR against Pedro (who back then was the best in the game).

I'd have to say mine was watching the four homer game at the end of last season.
Named For Hank - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 10:56 AM EDT (#29047) #
Ooh, the four homer game. After the first two, you just knew that more were coming. The crowd was totally, totally insane for the third and fourth ones.
_Ryan Lind - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 12:45 PM EDT (#29048) #
I'll never forget the fourth homerun...Rod Black just says "NO WAY!" But you can barely hear him over the crowd noise...the fan behind home plate jumps up and spills his popcorn everywhere...just a great moment.
_James W - Monday, October 04 2004 @ 12:56 PM EDT (#29049) #
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B06250TOR2000.htm
COMN for the game I imagine that Grimlock and I are recalling. Most memorable for me because I was in attendance. If I were at the dome for the 4-homer game, it would probably be #1.
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