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This is the day Theo Epstein had in mind when he visited Curt Schilling at his home last winter to sell him on the Sox. Game 1 against Mike Mussina and the hated Bronx Bombers goes tonight.
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_Jobu - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:23 PM EDT (#27027) #
Good luck to all pool participants. For future reference the pool hard copy will be kept near the end of

#2511: Jays Roundup - At the Tender Age of Three
_RhyZa - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:24 PM EDT (#27028) #
How about combining Sheff and A Rod instead? geez.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#27029) #
Curt Schilling has lost exactly one post-season game in his life, and naturally the winning pitcher is in the house tonight...
_Mark - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:45 PM EDT (#27030) #
If that trade goes through, I think the jays have to seriously consider Koske, I think he is going to explode and could hit 30-35 home runs and I think he'll be reletively cheap. Maybe even a home country discount could be in effect.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:48 PM EDT (#27031) #
Which trade is that, Mark?

(I feel like I'm missing something)
_Mark - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:52 PM EDT (#27032) #
Sorry I posted in the wrong thread, I was talking about the texiera,mench/wells,hinske rumour
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:53 PM EDT (#27033) #
Ah.. okay.

I'd love to see Koskie in a Jays uniform. I think most Canadians would.

I don't know about 30-35 homeruns, but he's been a surprisingly consistent player over the last few years.
_Mark - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#27034) #
He did hit 25 HR and 24 2B in 422 AB over 118 games this year.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:00 PM EDT (#27035) #
It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Unfortunately hitting for so much power hurt his average, so I wouldn't expect him to start hitting for the fences even more than he did this year.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:02 PM EDT (#27036) #
Mark, I'm not sure what you are basing your 30-35 HR optimism on for Koskie. He's certainly a nice player, combining a combination of skills -- some power, a decent batting eye, good defense -- but he'll be 32 next season and his health continues to deteriorate, keeping him out of the lineup more and more every season. He has logged 500 AB in a season just once in his career. I'm not sure he'll ever be healthy enough to accumulate enough AB to hit all those homeruns you're projecting.

I'm sure he'll be a coveted free agent, but whoever signs him better have a plan B ready for the 30 games Koskie figures to miss.
_Scott Levy - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:06 PM EDT (#27037) #
If we trade Hinske, I'd rather have a stopgap for a year, then plug Hill as the starter whenever he is ready. Koskie is a good player, but his age coupled with injuries is not a good combination.

The more I think about the Texas trade, and the more unlikely it seems, the more I want the Jays to trade Batista for Kevin Mench. It solves (or at least helps) both teams' problems. Mench can start in LF, we save about 3+ million from the swap, and that means more money for other areas. Batista is 200 innings at a reasonable rate for a team needing veteran starting.

Oh wait, this is the Boston/New York thread. Ok, Tim McCarver is a moron. There's my contribution for the actual topic at hand.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:09 PM EDT (#27038) #
Tim McCarver is a moron.

He's not entirely, but gosh one does get tired of the Jeter-worship.

Hideki Matsui is killing these guys.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:10 PM EDT (#27039) #
I like Mench, but recall your warnings about hitter's numbers in Arlington. Mench's career away numbers:

431AB, 28 2B, 20 HR, .258/.306/.466
_Mark - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:12 PM EDT (#27040) #
Your right, the past three years he's missed an average of 20 games and it is unlikely he would get that high in home runs. I was doing Richard Griffin like projections and for that I should be shot. Having said that he does play a gold glove 3B and he has been playing on turf in minny so the skydome wont be a huge difference. I would gladly take 20-25 home runs and his career .373 OB.
_Ryan Lind - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#27041) #
LOL, 6-0 in the third.

I really shouldn't be enjoying this as much as I am...cause I mean, it is the Yankees...but watching the Red Sox get slaughtered is always fun.
_StephenT - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#27042) #
I'm listening to Jon Miller and Joe Morgan on ESPN Radio (carried on AM1200 here in Ottawa); they are doing a nice job as usual. But I spotted Al Leiter on the Fox video, who got good reviews last year.
_Lime - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:17 PM EDT (#27043) #
Well, what we're seeing tonight is the first step to proving there is no God.

Three more to go.
_Dan - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:20 PM EDT (#27044) #
I'm definitely cheering for the Yankees. Mainly because I enjoy watching the Red Sox fans suffer for another year....this is coming from a Leaf fan so maybe im just bitter.
_Mark - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:22 PM EDT (#27045) #
If we trade Hinske, I'd rather have a stopgap for a year, then plug Hill as the starter whenever he is ready.

I used to think this way but strongly disagree. I think Minnesota is the ideal model. They keep signing guys to tradeable contracts and let young guys push them. They ended up getting a prospect for Doug M (not going to attempt spelling), They got players for Milton and Pryzinski, and they'll get someone for Jones to make room for Kubel. Even the Shannon Stewart trade looked ridiculous considering the had Cuddyer and Lew Ford waiting but I'm sure they could trade him too. So I think the he Catalonato signing was good and the jays should sign Koskie and Cabrera. Because if players like Adams and Hill and Gross show they deserve to play you can swap these guys for prospects. Of course the key is tradeable contracts, but then again if you ever sign a player and can't trade him after an off year then it probably was a bad signing.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#27046) #
what we're seeing tonight is the first step to proving there is no God.

Just the first step... do you want to know what's next? How about this:

MLB Productions feed reports Pedro Martinez has the flu.
_Rob - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:24 PM EDT (#27047) #
McCarver is an idiot -- Jeter has two of the calmest eyes he's ever seen? What is that? I sure hope he doesn't have three of the calmest eyes...
_R Billie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:30 PM EDT (#27048) #
I continue to be amazed at good Mussina was NOT for my team and how good he IS now that he's healthy. Blargh.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:31 PM EDT (#27049) #
McCarver is an idiot

I take it back.

Jeter affects McCarver the way women affect the rest of us.

You know how when a woman walks in the room and POW! - we lose 30 points off our IQ. (Probably because the blood is rushing from our brain to... uh, elsewhere.)

Anyway, Jeter has that effect on McCarver. I don't want to know why.

BY the way...

Mike Mussina is pitching a perfect game.

Mike Mussina is pitching a perfect game.

Mike Mussina is pitching a perfect game.

Mike Mussina is pitching a perfect game.

MIKE MUSSINA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!



Not that I want to put a hex on him or nothing...
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#27050) #
I put a spell on you
ícause youíre mine

You better stop the things you do
I ainít lyiní
No I ainít lyiní

You know I canít stand it
Youíre runniní around
You know better daddy
I canít stand it cause you put me down
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:33 PM EDT (#27051) #
It's that time of the year, when grown men in broadcasting booths have their hearts go a-flutter at the sight of Derek Jeter. Ooooh, he's so dreamy.
_Caino - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#27052) #
"what we're seeing tonight is the first step to proving there is no God."

Neitzsche would be rolling over in his grave.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:40 PM EDT (#27053) #
NIETZSCHE IS DEAD
----God
_Scott Levy - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:46 PM EDT (#27054) #
I like Mench, but recall your warnings about hitter's numbers in Arlington. Mench's career away numbers:

431AB, 28 2B, 20 HR, .258/.306/.466


That's true, but he had an .801 OPS away from Arlington this year, with about the same number of extra base hits as he had in Arlington (OBA was bad though). Given a full season away from Arlington, I'd say he could be .270-.320-.500 type of player with 25 home runs. For BBatista, I would take that production and run.
_Mark - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:47 PM EDT (#27055) #
Your right, the past three years he's missed an average of 20 games and it is unlikely he would get that high in home runs. I was doing Richard Griffin like projections and for that I should be shot. Having said that he does play a gold glove 3B and he has been playing on turf in minny so the skydome wont be a huge difference. I would gladly take 20-25 home runs and his career .373 OB.
_Fozzy - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:49 PM EDT (#27056) #
Must.... kill..... Scooter....
_Scott Levy - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#27057) #
Joe Buck (paraphrasing): "Manny and Ortiz led the Red Sox to the post-season, as did Jeter and A-Rod for the Yankees".

Tim McCarver: "I know it won't happen, but put those 4 in a lineup together, and it would be pretty good".

Thank god for McCarver.
_Ron - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#27058) #
Huge "Who's your Daddy chant" at the stadium. First time I ever heard that chant... LOL
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:50 PM EDT (#27059) #
Now that was good, that's the kind of thing I like.

After Scooter, Al Leiter showing how the knuckle curve works, and the camera shot of Mussina.

More of that, and less of McCarver stroking Jeter, and we might even have a decent broadcast.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 09:52 PM EDT (#27060) #
They did that chant around the second inning, too. I laughed.
Mike Green - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#27061) #
I put a spell on you

The Screaming Jay Hawkins original, the very fine Them cover, or the solid CCR version, Moffatt? You really can't go wrong.
_Moffatt - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:07 PM EDT (#27062) #
For BBatista, I would take that production and run.

I would as well, but I've admitted in the past that Batista drives me absolutely up the wall. :)
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:09 PM EDT (#27063) #
What's with all the Perfect game talk (on the telecast)? I mean I only started watching in the fifth, and they were already talking about it, before he was even halfway there!

Seems to me it's kind of a lame way to try to generate interest in a game that surely has been decided already.

Nice sneaking in the plug for his No-No by Blister-man. Couldn't get one of the other guys to ask him about it? :)
_Ron - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#27064) #
What's the deal with the Bob McCowan clown wearing sunglasses indooors? Is it really that sunny inside the studio?
_gid - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#27065) #
After Scooter, Al Leiter showing how the knuckle curve works, and the camera shot of Mussina.

Yeah. The quality is all over the place. I thought Leiter did a good job last year, glad he's back.

MIKE MUSSINA IS PITCHING A PERFECT GAME!!!

Even the announcers are getting in on the fun. They keep saying "no hitter".. "Mussina perfect thus far".. etc. Not that I have much rooting interest one way or the other.. it just seems a little, well, gratuitous.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:15 PM EDT (#27066) #
The Screaming Jay Hawkins original, the very fine Them cover, or the solid CCR version,

Alan Price (O Lucky Man!), the original organist for the Animals, also did a terrific version on his first solo record. Around 1968.

Nice sneaking in the plug for his No-No by Blister-man.

I'm a little surprised no one in the booth has noticed that Al Leiter is the only pitcher to have ever beaten Curt Schilling in a post-season game.

And who was it that broke up a 4-4 tie with a 6th inning HR? Hint: he's playing 1B in this game as well.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:17 PM EDT (#27067) #
The Fox broadcasters really are trying to hype the game for non-baseball fans. They were really talking about the perfect game in the second / third. Later, one of the commentators flipped out when the other suggested that Schilling was done after three saying "Are you really conceding the game?" They then pointed out repeatedly that the Red Sox are able to come back.

I now have my baseball quote of the month: "My God, that looks like John Olerud! . . . How old is he?", said by my mom as she walks into the room to see Johnny O get a single.
_StephenT - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:19 PM EDT (#27068) #
Olerud turned 36 in August.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:20 PM EDT (#27069) #
What's the deal with the Bob McCowan clown wearing sunglasses indooors?

He says he has an eye problem that makes him sensitive to the studio lights.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:25 PM EDT (#27070) #
Olerud turned 36 in August.

And that was the gist of my response. Things got funnier when I mentioned Pat Borders' role on the Twins.
_James W - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:31 PM EDT (#27071) #
It's McCown, for what it's worth.

And one of McCarver or Buck did bring up the fact that Leiter had pitched a no-hitter just before Al started talking about it.
Mike Green - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:36 PM EDT (#27072) #
And that was the gist of my response. Things got funnier when I mentioned Pat Borders' role on the Twins.

At least, you won't have to point out Julio Franco, who is (gasp) older than I am, in the Atlanta dugout. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to find the Rub A535...
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:39 PM EDT (#27073) #
Now it's 8-5...wow. This is turning into a ballgame. I'd love to see the Sox tie it up so we have a nice little game on our hands.
_DaveInNYC - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:40 PM EDT (#27074) #
And suddenly, we once again have a ball game.

A crazy 5 run 7th is capped off by the greatest sight in baseball...

TANYON STURTZE doing his best immitation of "Way Back" Wasdin.

Way to go Tanyon!!
_DaveInNYC - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:41 PM EDT (#27075) #
BTW,

What's Sturtze thinking there?

0-2 count to Varitek... and he throws a fastball right down the heart of the plate?

Please tell me your kidding Tanyon!
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:45 PM EDT (#27076) #
At least, you won't have to point out Julio Franco, who is (gasp) older than I am, in the Atlanta dugout. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to find the Rub A535...

At least Franco, to my knowledge, has never had anyone come up to him while he was playing for the Tacoma Rainers, saying "I saw your dad play in the World Series".

What's Sturtze thinking there?

"If only I wasn't named after a Musketeer?"?

"With any luck, I'll be back in Tampa Bay by Friday"?

"Just think, if Mariano was still in Panama, I'd be the closer"?
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:49 PM EDT (#27077) #
"If only I wasn't named after a Musketeer?"

Who wouldn't want to be named after a Musketeer?!
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#27078) #
Who wouldn't want to be named after a Musketeer?!

Well, sure, being named after a good Musketeer wouldn't be a problem. Ask Aramis Ramirez. But Tanyon didn't get a good Musketeer name, like Porthos, Aramis, or Athos, he got the name of the fourth musketeer,

Porthos, Aramis, and Athos. Instead he got the name of the fourth musketeer, clumsily translated from "D'Artagnan" to Tanyon. This must've led to all sorts of awkward conversations / taunts as a kid.
_G.T. - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#27079) #
Who better than Tanyon?

(Now try beating that "reference" for lameness...)
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 10:57 PM EDT (#27080) #
Gentlemen:

During the top of the seventh, I played "Sultans of Swing" by Dire Straits at ear-blistering volume instead of listening to the Fox play-by-play. I believe that the results have spoken for themselves.

I will now do the same again for the top of the eighth. I suggest anyone with the first Dire Straits album, the best-of collection or Alchemy, the live album, join with me.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#27081) #
This must've led to all sorts of awkward conversations / taunts as a kid.

Y'know, this actually explains a lot... He's spent his whole life just snapping at people.

BTW, in 10.2 career post season innings, Tom Gordon has allowed 9 ER. (7.59)
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#27082) #
D'Artagnan is a pretty cool Musketeerish name. Tanyon is Mouseketeerish.

T-A-N, because your hide will get tanned.
Y, good question, there's no Y in D'Artagnan.
O-N, because that's where you'll put baserunners, O-N base.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:02 PM EDT (#27083) #
BEGONE

Gone?

My bad.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:03 PM EDT (#27084) #
Thanks Magpie, now it looks like I'm yelling! Howsabout I turn down the volume for you.
_Fozzy - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:05 PM EDT (#27085) #
He says he has an eye problem that makes him sensitive to the studio lights.

Doesn't he also host The Business of Sports? I seem to recall he doesn't wear sunglasses there, in a studio, under the lights. Meh.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:06 PM EDT (#27086) #
Oh. My. God.

Wow.
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:08 PM EDT (#27087) #
Ummm. 8-7. Sweet. Rivera can't be at full strength after such a long flight just hours earlier. About an hour ago I was thinking we were watching history. We probably are, but for a completely different reason that I expected.
Named For Hank - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#27088) #
The power of Dire Straits is really immeasurable.
_6-4-3 - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#27089) #
I will now do the same again for the top of the eighth. I suggest anyone with the first Dire Straits album, the best-of collection or Alchemy, the live album, join with me.

I didn't have that, but harnessing the power of music, I chose Matthew Good Band's "Load Me Up", and was rewarded with runners at first and third, followed by a triple. Close enough.
_Chuck Van Den C - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#27090) #
I think McCown's sunglasses are a form of protest over the stupidity of airing a radio broadcast on television. He has not been shy about expressing how ridiculous the whole idea is.
_Matthew E - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:12 PM EDT (#27091) #
I think McCown's sunglasses are a form of protest over the stupidity of airing a radio broadcast on television. He has not been shy about expressing how ridiculous the whole idea is.

Hey, if Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy can have a radio show, McCown can have a TV show.
_Geoff North - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:27 PM EDT (#27092) #
Bad night for the ex-jays.
_Dr. Zarco - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:30 PM EDT (#27093) #
Manny's just not very good out there in LF. He cost the Sox a run in the 1st by not cutting off the Matsui hit, then cost them two more right there. It's like watching Dave Berg slosh around out there. Ugh. Yes, the ex-Jays aren't tearing it up. I suppose that makes us feel better that they're EX-Jays.
Mike D - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#27094) #
Rivera is truly amazing. But I wouldn't agree with McCarver's "excellent fielder" assessment.

Anyhoo, Game 1 is in the books. This week and a half of simply excellent baseball is the one annual fringe benefit to the arms race that makes it so tough for the Jays to compete.
_Ron - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#27095) #
The one thing I've never understood is why people say players won't accept an openly gay player in their sport/team when players always touch each other's bums in Football, Basketball, and Baseball ... case in point Rivera gets the save and several Yanks slap him in the bum as a way of congratulations.
_Jobu - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:44 PM EDT (#27096) #
Just came back from a work meeting, I trust the pool is still on going?
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:45 PM EDT (#27097) #
Wow. Ladies and Gentlemen, The Trojan War

Round One to Hector and the Trojans.

Let's see what Achilles and Diomedes and the rest of the Greeks have for tomorrow.
_Magpie - Tuesday, October 12 2004 @ 11:46 PM EDT (#27098) #
I trust the pool is still on going?

Oh yeah. Pretty quiet game tonight... Didn't miss much....
_Rob - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 12:11 AM EDT (#27099) #
I now have my baseball quote of the month: "My God, that looks like John Olerud! . . . How old is he?", said by my mom as she walks into the room to see Johnny O get a single.

Close second: my own mother saying the following as each player is shown on screen:
"Cairo? Didn't he play for the Jays and was really bad?...Loaiza? Didn't he play for the Jays and was really bad?...Heredia? Didn't he play for the Jays and was really bad?"
_R Billie - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 12:16 AM EDT (#27100) #
I really don't understand how these managers are using their bullpen. Should Timlin have been out there after men reached base? I don't think so.
_Mick - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 12:29 AM EDT (#27101) #
I think there's a new level of bone-crushing loss for Bill Simmons to add to his pantheon ... in fact, he sort of hinted at it in his series preview. Call it the "Older brother taunt" loss ... he compared the end of the regular season to an older brother running up a huge lead in a game of one-on-one, then letting lil bro score a few points to gain confidence so he can be smacked down again.

Honestly, if I'm a Boston fan (((shudder))) this is worse than Mussina finishing up a two-hit shutout and losing 8-0 or 10-0. It's like "Come allllmost all the way back ... and then get hit in the head with a massive pinstriped cuttlefish."

That said, I still want Matsui at the plate over virtually any other Yankee in a clutch situation, but he could've caught two fly balls that would've made most of this academic. They were tough plays, true, but still ... this is a guy the Yanks considered moving to centerfield, home of Dimaggio, Mantle and Murcer.

This had to be horribly, horribly painful for Bosox fans. Like watching Hoosiers all the way to the end, and Jimmy Chitwood clangs the shot that would've completed the miracle comeback.
Leigh - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 12:30 AM EDT (#27102) #
Wilner kicks ass.

Some dude said that Wilner had been flippant with regard to Rivera's situation, whereupon Wilner repeated what he had said, which was in no way flippant whatsoever.

If you're reading this, Mike, good call on the illiterate bluff.
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 12:47 AM EDT (#27103) #
Pat Gillick on the fan.
_Geoff North - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 12:48 AM EDT (#27104) #
R Billie - I agree fully. It's beyond me why Foulke wasn't brought in in the 8th. A three run lead protected by Rivera has to be an almost impossible amount to overcome (how many 3 run saves has Rivera blown?). Keeping the game at one run was crucial.
_Dan Julien - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 01:33 AM EDT (#27105) #
My roommate and I got tired of seeing all these ex Blue Jays playing in the playoffs so we decided to reseach and compile a team of ex Jays that made the playoffs this year...this might deserve it's own since it leads to a lot of discussion....20 ex Jays were in the round of 8...here's where we would play them and how much they were paid..

Rotation: Clemens($4.7M), Carpenter($500,000), Escobar($5.75M), Williams (6.5M)
Long Relievers: Sturtze(?) and Loaiza($4M)
Lefty: Felix Heredia($1.8M)
Setup Men: Adams($1.7M) and Quantrill($3M)
Closer: Timlin($2.5M)

Lineup:
1. Wise OF($300,000)
2. Stewart OF($5.5M)
3. Kent 2B($9.5M)
4. Green OF($16.6M)
5. Olerud 1b ($7.7M)
6. Werth 3b ($300,000) yeh we needed to fill a hole...
7. Matheny C ($4M)
8. Wilson DH (?)
9. Izturiz ($300,000)

Bench: Pat Borders(?)

Not a bad team, the rotation is strong..the lineup isn't great but the 2-6 is pretty strong. This team of 20 players, of which we only know 17 salaries makes...$74 million, way over our payroll threshhold. Could it beat the Jays of 2004? Hard to say...better pitching for sure, but I think the Jays would have the advantage on offense...what y'all think?
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 01:52 AM EDT (#27106) #
This is probably a bad thread/time to post this but I was talking with Leigh tonight and we're gonna try to have a kick ass GTA beer club tonight (wednesday). So if you're at all interested for more details, please COMN, ASAP. You don't have to be Box Hardcores to enjoy some cold ones and meet nice people.

PS. Interesting work Dan Julien
_Jobu - Wednesday, October 13 2004 @ 01:59 AM EDT (#27107) #
PS. I'll be dozing off pretty soon and probably wont awaken till noon, so if someone reading this can be enough of a stalwart to post it in tomorrow's roundup thread, to give people who wake up at a respectable time a chance to see this and plan for it, I'll make it worth your while.....in a non-sexual way.
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