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When the Yankees scored in the first inning, on a Rodriguez walk and a Giambi double, one was able to absorb the blow. The Yankees lineup these days is extremely scary through the first five spots in the order: Jeter, Rodriguez, Giambi, Sheffield, and Matsui. I was thinking that if Bush could hold that crew to a single run each time through the order, he'd have a good chance to stay in the game.

It seemed like a good game plan, especially after Randy Johnson allowed two walks, a hit batter, and a Vernon Wells three-run homer in the first inning. Johnson then managed to irritate homeplate umpire Fieldin Culbreth sufficiently to get himself ejected from the game, and the Jays were suddenly running loose and free in the New York bullpen.

Alas, while Bush was able to manage the first part of my strategy (minimizing the damage done by the Big Scary Bats), he failed utterly at the necessary second part of same strategy - which was blow through the bottom half of the order and rack up some outs. It was two guys from the bottom half of the order that did him in. Robinson Cano led off the second with a double, and came around to score on another double from backup catcher John Flaherty. Then, in the third inning, with Giambi and Matsui on base, Cano delivered a three run homer, and one out later Flaherty chased Bush from the game with a solo shot. And the good guys were down 6-3.

Pete Walker, having struck out Bubba Crosby to end the third, had used up his quota of goodness on the evening - Crosby was the only batter he would retire. Walker started the fourth by giving up a double, a homer, a walk, and a single and the Jays were now down 8-3. Brandon League came on at that point and Cano reached him for a three run homer and it was now 11-3. And all across Ontario, televisions clicked over to see the James Bond movie. John Gibbons saw an opportunity to let John-Ford Griffin get a couple of at bats and Dustin McGowan get a few innings of work. I myself was looking forward to seeing Shawn Marcum...

After all, the Blue Jays had played 4556 games prior to last night's contest. And just once had they fallen behind by eight runs and come back to win the game. You all know that one, right? It was Sunday, the 4th of June 1989 . The immortal Alex Sanchez, the Jays first round pick in 1987, made the third and final start of his major league career and retired one of the seven hitters he faced. He was followed by Xavier Hernandez, making his major league debut. Hernandez worked 6.2 innings of relief (not a team record), allowing another five runs (three unearned, as Fred McGriff made three errors this afternoon, two of them on the same play in the sixth inning.) At this point, the score was 10-0 Boston. All of Cito Gaston's starters were still in the game, but the Red Sox lifted corner outfielders Mike Greenwell and Dwight Evans at the start of the seventh.

Which is when the comeback began. Boston starter Mike Smithson walked Moseby and Whitt to start the inning, and departed with a foot injury. Bob Stanley came in and walked Mulliniks to load the bases. Nelson Liriano then hit into a double play, spiking the rally, but the Jays first run scored. A Junior Felix double made it 10-2 after seven, and Hernandez retired the Sox in order in his final inning of work.

Kelly Gruber struck out leading off in the eighth inning, but George Bell and Fred McGriff followed with singles. Bell went first to third on McGriff's and the Red Sox tried to nail him - they didn't get him, and McGriff took second on the throw. Both runners scored when Moseby made it three hits in a row, and the score was now 10-4. Stanley got Ernie Whitt on a fly out, but Mulliniks doubled to score Moseby and drive Stanley from the game, with the score 10-5. Rob Murphy took over, and was greeted by Liriano's RBI single. After a Felix ground out, the score was 10-6 for the Red Sox.

Tom Henke took over and worked a scoreless, but eventful, eighth inning. Henke had been extremely messed up earlier in the season (hello! Jimy Williams) - at this point, he was 3-3, 5.12 with just 2 saves. He had actually gone almost two months without a save, as Gaston was using him in low-leverage, non-pressure situations while he rebuilt his game and his confidence. (As you probably know, it worked.) On this occasion, Henke started out by allowing a single to Boggs and a walk to Heep. Ahead by four runs, in Fenway, Joe Morgan played for one run and Randy Kutcher executed a successful sacrifice. But Henke wiggled out of the jam, getting Ellis Burks on an infield pop out, and Carlos Quintana on a fly ball.

Tony Fernandez led off the ninth with an infield single off Murphy, and Lee Smith came into the game. Smith walked Kelly Gruber, and George Bell delivered an RBI double, making the score 10-7. McGriff struck out, but Moseby walked. And Ernie Whitt whacked a grand slam, and the Blue Jays, astonishingly enough, now led 11-10. Dennis Lamp took over and allowed a Mulliniks single and a stolen base from pinch-runner Tom Lawless before getting Liriano and Felix to end the carnage.

Henke couldn't hold the lead, though. Nick Esasky walked, took second on a Gedman sac bunt, and scored on Jody Reed's single. Henke got Ed Romero on a ground out, that moved the winning run to second. The Jays walked Wade Boggs intentionally and brought in David Wells to pitch to LF Danny Heep. Marty Barrett, who had been getting the day off, pinch hit for Heep.

This was one of the great, epic at bats of all time. Wells threw a first pitch strike, and Barret fouled off the seond pitch to fall behind 0-2. He fouled off another pitch. Wells missed with his fourth pitch for ball one. Barret fouled off the first 1-2 pitch. And the second. And the third. And the fourth. Wells missed with his ninth pitch, and the count was even at 2-2. Barret fouled off the first 2-2 pitch. And the second. And the third. And the fourth. And the fifth. And the sixth. And the seventh. Finally, on the 17th pitch of the at bat, Barret rolled a grounder to Gruber at third base, who threw him out at first. Barret blew out his hamstring trying to beat it out, and would miss the next two months. First baseman Nick Esasky switched to LF to replace Heep, and the legendary Sam Horn came off the bench to play first base. Incredibly - because it would just have to be this game, right? - this was the first time Horn, a born DH, had ever played in the field in the major leagues.

Wells, possibly exhausted by his epic battle with Barret, was replaced by Duane Ward to start the 10th.

Ward and Lamp mowed down the hitters over the next two innings. Ward allowed a leadoff walk in the tenth, and the small-ball Red Sox executed their third sac bunt in as many innings, but they couldn't score the runner. Finally, in the twelfth inning, Tom Lawless led off with a single, and moved to second on a Liriano sacrifice. Junior Felix homered to put the Jays up 13-11, and Ward retired Boggs, Horn, and Kutcher to end it.

The Jays once rallied from 10 runs down against the Angels to tie the game, only to end up losing 12-10 when Mo Vaughn hit a two-run homer off Graeme Lloyd. But that Sunday afternoon in Fenway is still the only time, in 4557 games and counting, that they've fallen behind by eight runs or more, yet rallied to win the game.

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VBF - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:08 AM EDT (#128129) #
I don't know if the atmosphere carried through in TV land, but that game was great, uh despite the outcome. The crowd was really loud and very pro-Jays. It'll be a meaningless boxscore in a month or so, but I walked home a very proud fan of the Toronto Blue Jays. While the Yankees won, this game was an indication of how difficult the Jays are going to make things for everyone else in years to come. And how The Mighty will fall.

Named For Hank - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:15 AM EDT (#128130) #
Did they really play "New York, New York" after the game?
VBF - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#128133) #
They played Paul Anka, however the song wasn't New York. Wait, does Paul Anka sing New York, New York? But the song definitely wasn't it though. Personally, I can't stand Paul Anka.

I want all possible Cheer Clubbers out there tomorrow. This University/I live x hours away/I'm on my deathbed excuse is getting a little tiring.
Keith Talent - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:26 AM EDT (#128134) #
I was sitting a few rows away from Matsui and twice I called out "2 OUTS MATSUI!" with 1 out and runners on. Both times, I have witnesses, he made a quick look at the scoreboard immediately after in a near panic.

(You'll remember the game last month at RC when he was trying to give away the ball that was the 2nd out while Blue Jays runners ran around the bases.)

You know what really burns? 2 HRs to Cano ; Flaherty.
AWeb - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:34 AM EDT (#128135) #
Missed the game completely...disappointing box score. It's hard to feel good about close losses (especially after this year) when you don't get to see them. I'll take VBF's word for it that it was a good game, but still....Aargh!

Also, what happening to Rios? Did he get injured, or just get pulled after Randy Johnson came out for matchup purposes?
Magpie - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:49 AM EDT (#128136) #
Rios hit a fly ball to RF in his first at bat, and... could we say he dawdled? He's 20 years younger than me, I have an arthritic ankle, and I run faster than that.

If you don't feel like running, Gibbons was saying, I've got other guys here who do.

Named For Hank - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:59 AM EDT (#128137) #
Nice work, KT. Keep it up!

Earlier this year I uncharitably referred to A-Rod as the biggest fancy lady on a team of fancy ladies, but I have to take that back. Randy Johnson easily owns that crown now.

There is no way that Randy Johnson could believe that walking towards home plate yelling at the home plate ump to argue a call wouldn't get him ejected. He knew what he was doing, but he felt that it was more important to show the umpire up than to help his team win an important game.

Is Randy Johnson the most selfish man in baseball?

What can Steinbrenner possibly think of him?

Should it be a tiara instead of a crown?
Magpie - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 01:05 AM EDT (#128138) #
Have you guys noticed what our old first baseman is doing in the heat of the pennant race? The Marlins' last 8 games have all been against the Phillies and the Astros, the two teams they're fighting with for the Wild Card. And Delgado... well, he's gone 16-30 (.533), with 3 HR and 7 RBI.

In September, he's hitting .426, slugging .833, and has an On-Base of .492.

VBF - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 01:20 AM EDT (#128139) #
To add some fuel to the reasons people hate the Yankees and/or Randy Johnson, I will share a story about Randy which did in fact happen, despite the common response of "I can't believe that happened". It did.

Last year when Randy's Diamondbacks were staying at the Westin Harbour Castle by the lake, Johnson was reading a newspaper in the Second Cup on the Saturday morning. A child, about 8 years old recognized the the man sitting in front of him as the ace of the Diamondbacks and proceeded to ask him for an autograph. Randy Johnson looked away from his newspaper and onto the child and said to him "Get the f*** out of my face, kid".

Now I understand that athletes need their space and don't want to be bothered constantly about autographs. Heck, I wouldn't want to be. However there are limits, and times to be polite about it. Randy Johnson doesn't acknowledge limits, and history has shown us what his unpredictable personality is like.

Definitely a tiara.
joemayo - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 02:05 AM EDT (#128141) #
totally agree VBF. great game to be at (outcome notwithstanding). i pretty much assumed the game was over in the 4th when yanks were up 11-3. but the jays showed some grit tonight scoring 7 unanswered runs. and the bullpen was amazing (not including Walker) holding that lineup scoreless over 5 innings.

great atmosphere at the dome tonight, the crowd was just awesome, although i expected to be sitting with some of you cheer clubbers in 518. where was everyone??
VBF - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 02:27 AM EDT (#128142) #
Blame me. We started out in 518 half an hour before the game but figured it'd be more fun in Maureen's section at 532. And sure enough it was. There were some pretty hardcore fans we hung with and they had a warhorn--something I've been trying to get my hands on all summer. Tomorrow I promise--518. Even though 532 has so much more.
VBF - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 02:29 AM EDT (#128143) #
Oh, and "everybody" has now become two people max and sometimes one.
Thomas - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 09:32 AM EDT (#128144) #
Sorry folks, I'm now living 3 hours away. But I know that's not an excuse....
Flex - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 11:04 AM EDT (#128145) #
Cheers to Delgado, proving himself to be the winner we always knew him to be.

Noticed a story today talking about how the Phillies would have to play Jim Thome next year if he's healthy and therefore trade rookie 1B slugger Ryan Howard. The writer talked about the Phillies possibly trading Howard for the ace-potential starter they haven't been able to develop.

Think they'd take a rookie with ace potential, like McGowan? Do we give him up for a 25-year-old kid who leads all rookies in the NL in home runs?

Something tells me we're going to see a few deals like that this off-season from Ricciardi, who, in Griffin's latest column, says he's sick of losing, and that, while he's not going to do anything stupid, his team is "all about winning" going forward. That suggests some young potential is going to be sacrificed on the altar of immediate impact.
DepecheJay - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 11:24 AM EDT (#128146) #
Sep 17 Associated Press reports Toronto Blue Jays OF Alexis Rios was replaced in right field during the second inning Friday, Sept. 16, after he took his time running to first on a first-inning flyout.

It appears that Magpie is correct, Rios WAS benched for lollygagging around out there.

Sorry, but there's nothing more frustrating than this. When your good like Manny, okay you can loaf, but when you suck as bad as Rios you can't afford to be doing this. Is it just me, or does it look like this guy just doesn't give a you know what. Does he do anything to try and get better? If the Jays were to trade him or heck, even release him in the off-season I could care less. This is the exact kind of the attitude the Jays DON'T need. Get rid of the bum.
greenfrog - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 11:31 AM EDT (#128147) #
Rios is probably frustrated as hell. His OPS by month:

April 797
May 713
June 779
July 696
August 575
Sept 314

So he's been beyond bad for well over a month now. Things are not looking good for our one-time phenom.
Chuck - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 11:32 AM EDT (#128148) #
Think they'd take a rookie with ace potential, like McGowan? Do we give him up for a 25-year-old kid who leads all rookies in the NL in home runs?

I think the proposal is moot since Philadelphia would be looking for someone who could help now. They're not building for the future. Also, they might be inclined to keep Howard around in 2006 as insurance given Thome's age/fragility and Howard's miniscule salary.

I am not optimistic about Howard's long-term prognosis. While he has definitely looked a lot like Adam Dunn this year (same age, high K rate, high HR rate, 900 OPS to Dunn's 930), two factors make me nervous about his growth potential: his advanced age and his incredibly high K rate.

Adam Dunn (just 10 days older than Howard) can pull off the high K rate because he walks so much, thereby suitably propping up his OBP to complement his terrific SLG. And he has over 2000 AB under his belt that show him to be a 900-OPS player.

Few players who start their MLB careers at such an advanced age, like Howard's, go on to long-term success (notable exceptions that spring to mind are Edgar Martinez and Wade Boggs). When I see a 25-year old Howard, my first instinct is Kevin Maas, not Adam Dunn.

Pepper Moffatt - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:01 PM EDT (#128149) #
My first instinct is Josh Phelps. Apparently I'm not alone. He's his top 10 PECOTA comparables:

1. Josh Phelps
2. Sam Horn
3. Daryle Ward
4. Kevin Witt
5. Fernando Seguignol
6. John Russell
7. Hensley "Bam Bam" Meulens
8. Franklin Stubbs
9. Ron Jackson
10. Bob Chance

Yuck. He does have some great players lower down on the list, though - but I think the Top 10 is a pretty good set of comps.
jay782 - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#128151) #
Agreed. Id LOVE to see Carlos with a ring. A truly good guy who deserves to win.

On the topic of Howard, and JP's apparent willingness to sacrifice young talent to win....

I can see us as a team building around young pitching. McGowan, League, and lefty starters in the minors should be all but untouchable. We all know its easier to find a hitter via FA than a top quality starter, and we have some of the best potential in the minors there. Lets OVERPAY a Konerko and keep the rest of the staff intact. I dont think a "Sacrifice" or talent sell off is in order.

Paul D - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 12:42 PM EDT (#128153) #
jay782, I think that the Jays need to move some serious talent. Unless they really get lucky with someone like Konerko, they need to go for a blockbuster. They should set their sets on the top of the class, like Oswalt and Dunn. They may not get that done, but if not, they'll have a good idea of what other teams are asking.

Then, when they go for players a step down from Oswalt and Dunn, they'll have a very good indication of exactly what it will take. The truth is, alot of pitchers don't develop as you'd like. If you have 5 good young pitchers and hold on to them all, you're just as likely to get 4 heartbreaks as you are an all home grown staff. You need to cash them in while they still have value. I think that it's possible that the Jays may have held on to some of their minor leaguers too long (such as League and Quiroz), and if they can get top talent for guys like Purcey or Banks, they need to do it.
VBF - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 01:01 PM EDT (#128154) #
The FA market is extremely poor. Konerko is a lock to re-sign with Chicago and other than that Giles, Durazo, and Thomas are out there. If you can get Thomas for a decent deal because of his injuries, I say go for it.

Blue in SK - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 03:10 PM EDT (#128155) #
OK, I found this little tidbit quite funny....

From Jim Souhan, columnist for the Star Tribune writing about trading Tori Hunter because his salary is due to rise next year.

"This is not to say Hunter should be untouchable. If you can trade him for, say, Vernon Wells and Shea Hillenbrand,..."

And apparently that's not quite enough, as he adds the following.

"...., with the Blue Jays throwing in some cash and a few cases of Labatt Blue, we've got a deal."

Entire article can be found at :
Wildrose - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 03:19 PM EDT (#128156) #
I wouldn't put too much stock in the Griffin story regarding Ricciardi leaving, as the more reliable Jeff Blair noted 2 weeks ago, that the team has been "quietly" working on a 2 year Ricciardi extension until 2009.

My take is that Godfrey basically told Dirty Dick, that yes he'd like to keep J.P., but he'd be negotiating with him at the appropriate time, and what is unstated is that Griffin is the last person on earth Godfrey would give a scoop to!

Incidentally today, Blair has his take on this years free agent list in regards to the Jays.

Wildrose - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#128157) #
Toss Justin Morneau's name into the mix, and now we got a deal.(and I'd be willing to send several cases of beer,Roger's cell phones, DVD's whatever... to make that deal happen.)
Ron - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#128158) #
"Josh Towers, RHP, Blue Jays

First he pooh-poohed the talents of Cleveland's Aaron Boone and Casey Blake after they homered off him (for which Boone called him a clown) Then, told by reporters that Red Sox slugger David Ortiz wears a belt buckle with the Superman logo on it, he replied, "If he was Superman, he'd play defence. " Yeah, or he could just settle for hitting a game winning homer off Towers, which he did Wednesday.

Greg Zaun, C. Blue Jays

Ill timed comments about Toronto reliever Miguel Batista's capabilities as a closer exacerbated a situation that was already way overblown."

Looks like I missed something. What did Zaun say about Miggy?

Chuck - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#128159) #
From Blair's article: Hey MVP voters, it's time for "Big Papi" to get the big prize.

Evidently it's that time of the year when the ominous trial balloons start getting released. This time out, it's the whole Ortiz-for-MVP thing. And the writers now have a month to convince themselves, each other and the baseball watching populace that yes, it's entirely okay for a DH to win the MVP.

Even if he isn't the hitter that ARod is.

Or plays gold glove caliber defense.

If Boston wins the division and the New York misses the playoffs, I think that'll cap it for David "Papi" Ortiz, conjuring memories of an equally worthy Willie "Pops" Stargell winning co-MVP honours many years ago.

Wildrose - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 03:52 PM EDT (#128160) #
I'm a huge Jeff Blair fan, but I've got to disagree with him on his jeers for Josh Towers.

Writers are always moaning about the tired cliches most athletes provide, but when a candid guy like Towers breaks the mold and makes a genuine comment, he is jeered.

I'd rather have a little honesty than recycled diatribes. Personally I agree with Towers on Ortiz and Boone.
Chuck - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 04:00 PM EDT (#128161) #
I'd rather have a little honesty than recycled diatribes. Personally I agree with Towers on Ortiz and Boone.

Wasn't Superman's game all about defense? Defending truth, liberty, justice, the American way of life and all that blarney? Now Lex Luthor, he was all about offense. He was a DH.

Thomas - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 04:24 PM EDT (#128163) #
Philadelphia just scored 10 runs in the 9th to beat Florida. Wow. Too bad Florida was only up by 2 before it began, or we could have had another Pittsburgh-off-Wagner (I think) comeback story on our hands.
King Ryan - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#128164) #
I also disagree with Blair. Kudos to Towers for being honest and candid, and Gregg Zaun shall never be jeered for he is a WARRIOR.
R Billie - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 07:50 PM EDT (#128165) #
Delgado usually has strong finishes to the season. In the past people viewed it as him padding his stats because his team was out of it. You can't really do enough if you're a good player I guess.
smcs - Saturday, September 17 2005 @ 11:24 PM EDT (#128170) #
I think the Marlins are destined not to make the playoffs this year. Allowing 10 runs in the 9th to lose 10-2 is...embarrassing. Dontrelle Willis started the ninth looking for a complete game shutout ended up with a loss with thanks in small part to the 4 errors the Marlins commited.

On the plus side, Carlos Delgado went 1-2 with a 2B, RBI and 2 BB, including 1 IBB.
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