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Janssen gets his revenge on Benson


The good guys beat the Orioles 5-3 and Casey Janssen gets revenge for two earlier losses to Kris Benson. The Jays bats took advantage of a couple of wild pitches and a hit batsmen to plate five runs, whilst five Jays relievers combined for the last three Innings, including a perfect eigth from Pete Walker

Star of the Game: Janssen worked six Innings giving up just one run, picking up five strikeouts and walking no-one.

Unsung Hero: Not especially unsung, but Vernon was four for five with a run and an rbi.

For the Orioles: Brian Roberts was up to his usual high standards, going three for four and knocking in a run.

Defensive Play of the Game: With B.J Ryan showing strange signs of being human in the ninth, the tying runs were on base. Ryan deciding things had gone far enough got Hernandez to pop-up into shallow left, Aaron Hill made the catch and fired a one-hopper to the plate where Molina tagged out Mora who, with a rush of blood to the head, had taken off from third with the catch, presumably because Hill's run was taking him away from the plate.

Boxscore: Here

Elsewhere in the East: The Yankees and Boston were rained out and Jered Weaver was way too much for Seth McClung as the Angels won 6-2. Weaver now has 19.1 IP, 17 K, 3 BB and a 1.86 ERA, I think he's seen the last of Salt Lake.

Back, back, back: Davey Johnson is back in baseball, he was hired by the nationals as a 'consultant', is that a new name for Manager in Waiting ?

A.J watch: Burnett threw a simulated game yesterday and is scheduled to start his minor league rehab stint on Monday. Three Jays 'hitters' stood in against him - John McDonald, Luis Figueroa and Edgardo Alfonzo.

Tonight: Halladay against Loewen, quite the baptism for the young Canadian
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Chuck - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 09:31 AM EDT (#148498) #
A win's a win but.... two decisions had me scratching my head:

1. Late in the game, one out, men on first and second, and Alfonzo stays in to bat. Where was Hinske? Or Zaun? Whatever edge Gibbons believes Alfonzo to have over Figueroa defensively cannot warrant Alfonzo "batting" in such a high leverage situation.

2. Schoeneweis brought in when a RH pinch-hiter for the LHB Patterson was sure to be brought in. As much as Speier had been struggling, what's the better option, Speier vs. Patterson or Schoeneweis vs. Conine? Perhaps Gibbons was counting on Perlozzo to repeat his game 1 mind cramp when he didn't pinch-hit for Patterson against Schoeneweis.

Oh, I guess the biggest head scratcher of the night belonged to the other guys. Mora trying to score in the 9th would have been a dumb strategy for a little leaguer. It was unforgivable for a major leaguer. Can we presume that the third base coach was screaming at the top of his lungs for Mora to stay, but that Mora simply ignored him?

Mora's gaff was certainly emblematic of a sad and confused organization. Oh what misery to be an Orioles fan.

js_magloire - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 09:31 AM EDT (#148499) #
Interestingly, the Blue Jays are 7-12 during day games this year. (26-13 at night) Our next day games are at home next Thursday against Baltimore (12:37) and at 4 o'clock this Saturday...As well, they are 4-2 in 1-run games, which is a considerably lower number than most other teams (perhaps due to bullpen?).
Mike Green - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#148500) #
Mora undoubtedly had read the April scouting report on the Jays- run on shortstop's arm at every reasonable opportunity. 

Five strikeouts in 6 innings is a nice number for Janssen.  If he can put up those kind of numbers against the lesser offensive teams in the league and tread water against the Yankees, Red Sox, White Sox and Indians, he'll be just fine.

HoJu - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 09:48 AM EDT (#148502) #
Can we presume that the third base coach was screaming at the top of his lungs for Mora to stay, but that Mora simply ignored him?

Accoring to this article, that's correct.
     "He didn't hear me?" Trebelhorn said about Mora. "That's unfortunate."


Sister - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#148503) #
Justin Speier is a growing concern.  Over his last  6 outings, totalling  3 IP, he has allowed  10 baserunners (7 hits and 3 walks) but only 2 earned runs. While he has not suffered terribly from his on erratic pitching, his bullpen mates certainly have as he has allowed 8 of 17 (48%) Inherited Runners to score, while himself being saved by B.J. and friends -- a testemant to his nice ERA (2.95) and his less than stellar WHIP (1.55).



Jordan - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#148504) #

Speier's had a funny year. He was unhittable through the first six weeks of the season, then grew mortal, and recently has been quite bad. He was streaky last year too, but his bad stretch came at the start of the season. I expect he'll right himself soon enough, but he can expect a few outings in middle relief till Gibbons recovers his confidence in him.

Chuck - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#148507) #
At the start of the season, who would have anticipated that Gibbons would ever reach the point that he would (rightfully) be so nervous about his bullpen that Pete Walker would assume 8th inning duties in a close game?

Magpie - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 10:22 AM EDT (#148508) #
what's the better option, Speier vs. Patterson or Schoeneweis vs. Conine?

Normally I would agree, but Speier seems to be having one of his Spells...
Chuck - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 10:27 AM EDT (#148509) #
Okay, how about Rosario vs. Patterson? Walker vs. Patterson? Hinske vs. Patterson? Schoeneweis against any RHB is asking for trouble. I'm wondering if Gibbons even considered the possibility of a RH pinch-hitter.
Bruce Wrigley - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#148511) #

It worked out OK with Walker, even though the way he pitched didn't exactly fill me with confidence.  Gibby's pen management is getting creative, though, and that should bode well for guys' confidence as they're getting their chances.  Of course, I thought his 8th inning the other night would help Frasor, and it... didn't.

I have to say, though, Halama played Bengie Molina like a drum.  That at-bat was about as bad as it gets.

laketrout - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#148518) #
One thing the move did do was take Patterson out of defensive duties in the outfield and replace him with Conine who, as it turned out, was hopeless on Wells' "double" to right-center (even the scoring summary in the provided box score still has the play listed as a sac-fly...).
Mike D - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#148520) #

Good point, Laketrout.  Patterson's glove (and possibly his baserunning) might have come in handy for the O's late in the game last night.

I don't know if you were watching, Chuck, but Speier was not only pitching poorly but was highly rattled after the bases-loaded walk.  The first priority was to get Speier out of the game. 

 

Dave Till - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 12:12 PM EDT (#148521) #
What I've noticed about Gibbons' use of the bullpen is that he is now trying to get as many platoon advantages as possible. I'm not sure if he's ever used Walker, Downs, Speier, Schoeneweis, Frasor and Ryan in a single game, in that order, but he's come close. He also hooks his starters quickly, which gives the bullpen more to do.

I think that we hold the bullpen to a higher standard than we hold starters. If a starter goes six innings and gives up four runs, he's "kept his team in the game". If the relievers then give up two runs in three innings, they're bums.

Also, the rest of the pen looks bad when compared to Ryan, who has been frighteningly good.

I'm actually more optimistic about the Jays' pitching staff now than I have been in a few weeks. Janssen looks like he's for real, Taubenheim pitched well in his last start, and Halladay has been lights out. (Chacin has been in and out, and Lilly has been the Bad Ted, but you can't have everything.) Chulk will likely be back soon, and (dare to dream) Burnett is on his way back, so I think that the Jays will be OK. After all, everybody else is having pitching problems too.

Wildrose - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 12:28 PM EDT (#148525) #
I notice Speier is not throwing his splitter much these days. I see a lot of fastballs/sliders,  perhaps he has some sort of physical ailment causing this?

I feel sorry for Gibson , after Monday night I thought Frasor was back on the beam, only to struggle last night. This crew really lacks consistency.





MatO - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#148526) #

I wish Gibbons had left in Janssen for another inning.  He was at 99 pitches.  I think there is just too much babying of the starters these days and they never build up any endurance.

  It wasn't that long ago that they wouldn't pitch Frasor on consecutive days because they felt he was less effective on the second day.  Yesterday was his 3rd game in 4 days and as soon as they brought him in I smelled trouble.

TheyCallMeMorty - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 01:08 PM EDT (#148527) #
"even the scoring summary in the provided box score still has the play listed as a sac-fly"

I think they didn't charge an error because even if he did catch it the run still would've scored.  I could be wrong though.
Geoff - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 01:45 PM EDT (#148532) #
I'm not sure if Perlozzo should be blamed for this, but I was thinking someone needed to be branded a fool last night when John Halama came into the game last night with a one-run lead.

As dumb as the odds are that you bring in a left-hander to face a Jays lineup of Reed, Vernon and Troy due up, you bring in John Halama! With a one-run lead. And leave him in there after he allows a double, a stolen base, and another double. Sure, he gives Troy a free pass and gets Overbay out. But he's still in there to face Shea (IBB) and Bengie with a two-run lead? If I'm Tejada, I'm demanding that trade again. It was mighty fortunate for Perlozzo that only one run came in that inning.

Of course Mora gave Miggy a new reason to get out of Baltimore, but I presume Gibby isn't the only one being criticized for bullpen management these days.



Mike Green - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#148533) #
Janssen has been given a gentle introduction to the big leagues in a number of ways, from choice of opposition to defensive support to workload.  This was, in his case, a wise decision. He did not have the double A/triple A experience that would normally be recommended for a pitcher making his debut.  By easing him in, the Jays have compensated for this deficiency in his pitching education.

I am quite sure that we will see him going 110 pitches into games in the second half of the season.

Chuck - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 01:59 PM EDT (#148534) #

I don't know if you were watching, Chuck, but Speier was not only pitching poorly but was highly rattled after the bases-loaded walk.  The first priority was to get Speier out of the game. 

Yeah, I was watching. I have no objection to Speier being pulled. I just think that Schoeneweis should not have been the next man in given the likelihood that Patterson would be pinch-hit for. I don't think that Schoeneweis should be facing a RHB in a "game situation" if there are other options.

Either it didn't occur to Gibbons that Patterson would be pinch-hit for or he didn't care. I don't understand either of these.

robertdudek - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#148535) #
what's the better option, Speier vs. Patterson or Schoeneweis vs. Conine?

Normally I would agree, but Speier seems to be having one of his Spells...

Given the situation, it was absolutely the correct move - this is why:

While both situations give the platoon advantage to the Orioles, forcing the O's to remove Patterson is a huge plus for the Jays in a close game. Having the best base stealer in major league baseball potentially on base late (or in extra innings) in a close game is a great asset.
 


Mike Green - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#148537) #
We think of Jeff Conine as being a far superior hitter to Patterson.  I didn't realize it, but Conine is going to be 40 this month, so his decline this season might very well not be a small sample fluke but an indicator that his career is near an end.  Similarly, Corey Patterson seems to have developed in a couple of areas this year and is still young enough for these improvements to be long-lasting. 

I am not a big fan of the use of 5 relievers for 3 innings of work on a repetitive basis, but it's not really clear what the optimal usage for the 7th and 8th innings is in the short term.  My guess is that it will be Brandon League in the Ron Davis role by the end of the season, but in the meanwhile, Gibbons is searching for an answer.

rtcaino - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 04:07 PM EDT (#148543) #
"My guess is that it will be Brandon League in the Ron Davis role by the end of the season, but in the meanwhile, Gibbons is searching for an answer."

Mike, do you think he'll be ready? He's given up over a hit an inning thus far. However, his strike outs are up a bit. Here are his stats from Milb.

IP 38.2 H 42 BB 10 SO 31
Mike Green - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 04:22 PM EDT (#148545) #
Check out League's  G/L/F ratio. He's been striking out batters, not walking them, and getting them to pound it into the ground. That's a winning formula.
MatO - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 04:55 PM EDT (#148547) #

I didn't reallize that League hadn't given up a HR this year.  He's had his most problems pitching at home where the old-style artificial turf is no doubt causing some of those groundballs to sneak through.  Speaking of the turf, Adams hasn't made an error  since Syracuse went on the road.

rtcaino - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 05:52 PM EDT (#148551) #

There’s a couple of interesting things with League’s stats. RHB are hitting better of him than left handed batters, batting .291 and getting on base .356. That strikes me as odd; does Syracuse’s home stadium play better for righties?

However, neither RHB or LHB are doing much damage, with a .329 and a .352 slg respectively.

Also, it has been mentioned several times that Syracuse’s stadium has a really bad infield (or something to that effect). League on the road has been pretty unreal:

IP 19.3, H 15, K14, WHIP .93, K/9 6.52

BAA/OBP/SLG: .224/287/284

At home his WHIP is .187 (on an undercover…) and opponent OPS is .783.

As a total aside, does any one else think that Cool Whip should sponsor an award given to the pitcher who has been most effective at preventing runner on base?

rtcaino - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 05:54 PM EDT (#148552) #
westcoast dude - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#148556) #
The Blue Jays much maligned bullpen has actually pitched quite well if you look at the won-lost totals. Frasor and Walker are 1-1 but nobody else has been tagged with a loss.  Ryan, Downs, Speier, Schoeneweis, Rosario, Tallet and McGowan  are all a perfect 1 and 0. Collectively, the bullpen is 9-2.
Craig B - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 07:19 PM EDT (#148561) #

Way too defensive in my opinion if that is indeed the reason.I can't fathom any other reason why Molina is still standing at 2nd last night in the 8th with less than 2 outs.

Another small quibble with a Gibbons ploy is his penchant,at least a few times,of using Zaun as the dh with Molina behind the plate.I know he wants to get as many right hand bats in the game but he is playing with fire here.

Not only does he risk losing the dh with an injury to Molina but it limits his options late in the game via a pinch hitter or runner for either Molina or Zaun but especially a pinch runner for Molina.

So you want him to use his roster aggressively when it comes to making pinch-running decision that burn two bench spots and your warmed-up and (supposedly) better defensive catcher to gain a small basepaths advantage (the possibility that a deep single will be hit that Molina can't score on, before he reaches third base).  But you want him to use his roster defensively when he has a 1% chance of losing his designated hitter for one or trips through the order and having to go to his bench to pinch-hit.

I think you might want to ask yourself whether you prefer a manager to be ultra-aggressive or ultra-defensive with his roster and then arrange your criticisms to suit whichever one you choose... I mean, I generally agree with Gibby on both counts but I'm open to being persuaded otherwise on either.  But both?

I do agree that sometimes you should pinch-run for Bengie, but being up one with him at second in a tightly-played game against a team with lefties in the pen isn't it.

The thing with the backup catcher as the DH is, it doesn't actually limit your ability to pinch-run in a situation where you really need it.  If Bengie gets on in a tight and is the tying or winning run, you just PR for him, but Zaun back there and lose the DH spot.  So what?  It's going to be a couple of innings before the DH spot comes up and when it just does you just hold back a pinch-hitter.

dan gordon - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 07:36 PM EDT (#148563) #

I'm not so sure that the bullpen is pitching poorly because it is overworked.  I think it is just as likely that the bullpen is overworked because it is pitching poorly.  Except for Ryan and Speier, these guys have been struggling since the start of the year.  As a result, the team keeps having to use 3, 4, 5 or 6 relievers in a game to try to find somebody who has a hot hand that night, or to try to get platoon matchups that can help.  Speier certainly has fallen off dramatically since April so perhaps overwork is the problem in his case.

Some options are presenting themselves in Syracuse - I think Chulk should be back soon, League has done pretty well, Marcum just pitched a nice game last night, and Ryan Houston has done a nice job, although I think he still needs to refine his control.  Also, Taubenheim could go to the pen once Burnett is back (fingers crossed) and Rosario has pitched well and could be given a greater role.  Lee Gronkeiwicz must be disappointed that he is hurt when an opportunity may be presenting itself.

Nick - Thursday, June 08 2006 @ 08:32 PM EDT (#148564) #
Zach Jackson came within inches of homering in his first big league at-bat for Milwaukee last night.  (It may have even been the first pitch.)  He hit a deep fly ball to right center field but Brian Giles leaped up and made the catch a few inches above the wall.  On the mound, he allowed 10 hits and 4 runs, 2 earned, while walking 1 and striking out 2 in 6 1/3 innings.  Milwaukee lost the game but Jackson did not get pegged with the loss.  He made his MLB debut 3 nights earlier when he pitched a perfect inning of relief and struck out 2.
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