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We've had a lot of debate here over who the Blue Jays should install as their shortstop the rest of the way... it's time to vote.

Following the announcement that John McDonald was the Jays' starting shortstop "for now", Craig B and I have been going back and forth on who the Jays should be pursuing (or not pursuing) over the next couple of weeks as the trade deadline approaches.  The best way to solve this, as with all things, is democratically... by using a preferential ballot system.  In this case, the Official Batter's Box Toronto Blue Jays Shortstop Poll.

We've tried to list all of the internal candidates as well as the best external candidates - players outside the organization who can play shortstop and are known or suspected to be on the trading block.  When making your decisions, please take into account what you think it would cost to obtain that player.  (For that reason, Miguel Tejada was not included as being likely too hard to obtain).

Rank your choices in order - if you don't rank them all, you may miss out on a preference but it won't affect the choices you do make.  Go to to vote and/or to to see the results.  The poll closes on the last day of the trade deadline, but the running results should be available at any time.

Have fun!  If there are additional candidates suggested here, we may consider putting together a new poll to incorporate them.  And don't be afraid to electioneer for your favorite candidates in this thread!

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DH - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 01:54 PM EDT (#150871) #

Given that JP has traded away a couple of darn good shortstops over the years maybe its time to get one back. Cezar Izturis, packaged with Paul Quantrill for ... Luke Prokopec, is back from the DL and playing out of position at 3rd base. Given the Dodgers lineup it would make more sense for them to have some at the hot corner. So I don't think its out of the realm of possibilities that the two teams could match up to send Shea to the Dodgers for Cezar. The Jays get their slick fielding shortstop with some pop and the Dodgers get their 3rd baseman with power.

I think that either way Shea will be out of town. When Rios returns Gibbons will have the option of running out any five of Rios, Cat, Johnson, Wells, Molina, Zaun, Glaus, Hillebrand and Hinkse (3B, OF, DH, C). That's a lot of offense when you're struggling on the mound. So perhaps Shea should start looking at real estate in.... San Francisco, Anaheim, San Diego, Los Angeles.......

Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 01:58 PM EDT (#150873) #
Early returns aren't showing a lot of support for the internal candidates... will we not stand up for Hill, Adams and Mac?
Mike Green - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:08 PM EDT (#150875) #
The hard part is figuring what it would cost to obtain Lugo or Peralta.  Tampa under the current regime and Shapiro have both done pretty well, it seems, in recent trades. 

As for Wilson, it's probably not the cost in players, but the future salary that is the issue.

Paul D - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:10 PM EDT (#150876) #
Johnny Mac is Izturis!  There's no point in trading for Izturis when you have MacDonald. 
Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:27 PM EDT (#150879) #
I am shocked that there is no love for Cristian Guzman.  Shocked.
Chuck - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:40 PM EDT (#150880) #
The Jays get their slick fielding shortstop with some pop

Izturis' career: 261/296/339. I see no pop.

McDonald: 240/280/310.

superdevin - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#150881) #
if the angels become sellers maybe orlando cabrera would be the best option. with aybar and wood in the minors the angels look set at short stop for a while. i'm not sure what cabrera's contract is like or what it would cost to get him but i think he's a better option than any of the others in the poll.
ayjackson - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:50 PM EDT (#150883) #
if we have a sniff by the end of july, and they don't.....i'd call SF about omar vizquel
Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:54 PM EDT (#150884) #

OK, Vizquel is one guy that I'd add to an updated poll if we decide to go that route.

Interesting responses so far.

Jonny German - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#150885) #
If Cesar Izturis had not come up in the Jays system, would we ever hear his name on this site? It baffles me how people continue to think of him as a good player, and the description "with some pop" takes erroneous describing of his hitting skills to a new level. Cesar has a career IsoP of .079, and has cleared .100 exactly once in his career - 2001, as a 21 year old in Toronto, a whallopping .119 in 134 AB. I have no idea why a team with Johnny Mac already in hand would trade for the likes of either Izturis, or Jack Wilson.
Lefty - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:04 PM EDT (#150886) #

I've always been impressed by the play of Maicer Izturis. Only 25 and is more seasoned in the big leagues now. Has nice speed and is probably above average defensively, and can play 2nd, short and third. Great OBP so far this season and has shown a decent OBP throughout his minor league career.

With all of the minor league middle infield talent coming up through the Angels organization and as well the huge contract on Cabrera I can see the Angels parting with Maicer. Because he won't cost much this could be part of a larger trade with the Angels for pitching. Saunders name has been rumoured. Kill a couple birds with one trade.

I just think Maicer Izturis needs a chance to get five hundred at bats and will prove to be valuable ballplayer.



Ron - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:06 PM EDT (#150887) #
If the Brewers fade away the next 2 weeks, I would ring up Melvin and see if Bill Hall is available.

The Brewers have Hardy at SS, Weeks at 2B, and Cirillo and Koskie at 3B. Their OF is loaded with Jenkins, Lee, Clark, Gross, and Hart.

The Brewers and Jays aren't afraid to trade with each other.

MatO - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:09 PM EDT (#150888) #
  1. Offensive sinkhole Cesar Izturis is scheduled to make $4.15M in 2007.
  2. Offensive semi-sinkhole Jack Wilson is scheduled to make $7.25M in 2009!!

No thanks.  Can I change my vote?


Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:15 PM EDT (#150889) #
MatO, I think you can change your vote by voting again - not sure though.
Maldoff - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#150890) #

Posted in the wrong thread (oops...sorry):

Does anyone else think that maybe JonnyMac is the answer for this year? The Jays offense has been, to put it mildly, quite strong this year, even with a sinkhole at either 2B or SS. Therefore, I think they might be able to keep up he offense with MacDonald in there almost all the time. Defensively, he'll definitely prove to be an upgrade over anything else we've had, which in turn will help the pitching staff (epsecially people liek Shaun Marcum and Casey Janssen).  Maybe the focus should be on helping the pitching staff. Just a thought....

Lefty - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:18 PM EDT (#150891) #

Still stumping for Maicer Izturis. He makes $350,000 this year. Fits nicely into the budget and is in his third ML season.

I think we have to be realistic when trying to discuss trade opportunities. Do we trade minor league talent for a quick fix soon to be free agent. Or take on a contract that some other team is looking to dump, or, try and obtain a player with upside and on the a small salary who will fit into the salary structure and will not hamstring the budget increases for the 2007 season.


Jordan - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:25 PM EDT (#150892) #
The available nominees do point up the fact that McDonald isn't the worst in-house option in the world. If he never hits a lick -- and this lineup can afford a sinkhole in the #9 spot -- he and Hill should be a dynamite defensive team.
Mylegacy - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 03:42 PM EDT (#150895) #

I vote for two all beef patties, special sauce,  lettuce, cheese, pickle & onion on a sesame seed other words Big Mac.

I feel the chemistry is gelling. For once the whole seems better than the pieces. Leave the position players as are.

Get a pitcher. Get two, what the hay...get three!


AWeb - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 04:06 PM EDT (#150899) #
Slightly off topic, but why can't we vote for politicians like this? Are people really so math-phobic that they'd refuse to rank 3-6 choices?

More on topic :As of right now, Lugo beats Peralta in round 7, with Hill making it the farthest of the current Jays. Since this seems to mean we want the best hitter available, I say we get A-Rod. ESPN is trying to start rumours that he'll be traded, and we could offer one of out extra outfielders for him. Not Wells, but maybe Cat for A-Rod plus cash? Catch Cashman drunk enough after a phone call from the Boss, maybe we can get it done before he realizes that yankees fans are stupid for not wanting him.
budgell - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 04:19 PM EDT (#150900) #

My position all along is in total agreement with Maldoff.  The offense is strong enough to withstand Johnny Mac in the lineup everyday, especially when you consider the defensive upgrade over anyone else the Jays have penciled in at SS this year. 

Any upgrades should be at SP, Lugo would be sweet however.

LY-le LOV-ett

Andrew - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 04:25 PM EDT (#150901) #
I voted for Lugo assuming that

1. The presence of B.J. Upton made him tradeable
2. His contract expires relatively soon

Not that I know either of these things, but they both make sense and would seem to make him a movable part of the D-Rays. I could honestly see us pulling this off for some pitching prospects -- maybe Janssen, Chacin, Marcum, League, Rosario... the list goes on.  A trade like that would fill needs on both sides, depending on how much the Rays like our young arms. As for Lugo, he's far and away the best shortstop of the group; an ideal leadoff man with a high OBP and SB%. Surprisingly, he has some pop in his bat too. He carried my fantasy team on his back by providing 3 homeruns in a week a few weeks ago, or something like that. The one thing I'd worry about is that his June and July would make him the ideal candidate for "selling high", while this isn't exactly the ideal time to trade our young pitchers with all of them coming off injuries or slumps.

Ron - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 04:32 PM EDT (#150902) #
The presence of B.J. Upton made him tradeable

The Rays have moved to 3B.

Mudie - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 04:40 PM EDT (#150904) #

Ben Zobrist is the new top SS prospect for Tampa Bay. He is replacing Upton in Durham now (came over in the Huff Deal)

Jim - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 04:52 PM EDT (#150905) #
Graffanino has only played 92 games at short in his entire career.  I would like to bring him in to play second base and move Hill to SS full-time. 

I have a feeling that Moore isn't looking for the type of pitchers that Toronto has in their system though the way that he jettisoned JP Howell to Tampa.
DH - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 04:54 PM EDT (#150906) #

Ex-Blue Jay or not, I'd still like to see his defense and "pop" back in Toronto. Assuming he can get back to his 2005 form, .288/.330, 25 steals, great defense, then I do it. Like Boston with Alex Gonzalez, defense wins ballgames. A guy who can bunt, hit 32 doubles and steal some bases is gravy on top.

Dave Till - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 05:36 PM EDT (#150907) #
At this point, I'd say that Johnny Mac is the best option at short. He can't hit, but he sure can field, and Adams hasn't really been hitting or fielding. Hill can play short, but not as well as McDonald, and Mac+Hill is better than Hill+Adams.

If the Jays are going to trade for anything, I'd want to see them trade for another starting pitcher. That's a bigger hole than shortstop.

R Billie - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 06:53 PM EDT (#150909) #

If you want to emphasize defence then Mac is the way to go.  He's not going to hit much but if he hits .240/.300 that's pretty much what they've been getting from Adams/Mac this year anyway and the offence is still OK.

It would be nice if Lugo wasn't expensive or if LA was willing to move Izturis while taking salary back (Hinske or Hillenbrand?). 

The only question I have with Izturis is whether he's still at the same defensive level after the injury.  That's where the majority of his value lies.  In terms of offence, Hudson was better and I don't think you can argue by any stretch of the imagination that Izturis has been an offensive player of significant note.  Like Jack Wilson he's had one high batting average year and that's it.

I have no problem with keeping Mac at short as long as Adams gets regular at bats in AAA.  A utility quality player like a Macier Izturis might be in order because you're not going to throw Santos or Figueroa at short right now.

Mike Green - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 07:03 PM EDT (#150911) #
Scratch Bill Hall for the list of possibilities.  J.J. Hardy's out for the season.
jeff - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 07:41 PM EDT (#150912) #

Before reading the thread I voted for all of the in-house options over the out of house options because either they are not an improvement or the cost will be more than we expect. Adams (at SS or 2B) and Santos have shown that they aren't worth it, so that makes McDonald as the best option.

Based on previous statements by Friedman, I think the asking price for Lugo starts and ends with Ricky Romero. He has said that he wants left handed starting pitching and I doubt that he would give up a compensation pick for Dave Purcey or any other Jay prospect outside of McGowan.

I also don't see the Angels moving Izturis or Cabrera. Cabrera is a part of the core of the current team and Wood is another year away, so they won't be looking to move him. Izturis is also proving valuable as Figgins redux. Erik Aybar, though, I can see being dealt and Eric Hinske/Shea Hillenbrand could be a match - I think they would rather have the lefty bat and the guy who can play OF but Hinske probably isn't enough for them to give up Aybar. Would you risk giving the SS position to an unproven yet talented commodity like  Aybar?

Guzman, Wilson and C. Izturis are no better than McDonald and therefore a waste of a roster spot.

Vizquel is worth a look. To add a name, Craig Counsel might be had relatively cheaply.

Bruce Wrigley - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 07:59 PM EDT (#150913) #

Counsell would have been a great idea but he has a broken rib.

Mike D - Tuesday, July 18 2006 @ 08:44 PM EDT (#150916) #
Lugo is a rent-a-player.  He'll be a free agent after the season.
timpinder - Wednesday, July 19 2006 @ 12:18 AM EDT (#150919) #


Wells and Hillenbrand for E. Santana, Saunders and Kendrick, Hill back to SS, Kendrick to 2B.

js_magloire - Wednesday, July 19 2006 @ 01:33 AM EDT (#150922) #

Sell: Wells and Hillenbrand for E. Santana, Saunders and Kendrick, Hill back to SS, Kendrick to 2B.

Not a bad idea. And then flip Speier and Purcey for Ryan Shealy, and Ted Lilly's 3.86 AL East ERA for a huge haul and you have yourself a good contending team for the next few years.

Craig B - Wednesday, July 19 2006 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#150938) #

Support for Aaron Hill is growing!  (My vote, by the way, is for Lugo #1 and Wilson #2 with the in-house candidates behind them - maybe it's panic but I've come around to the "something must be done" school...)

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