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...but there was no confusion about it, as the farm affiliates went 5-1 behind some superb pitching and a couple of late rallies.  Turnabout is fair play.

Pawtucket 2 @ Syracuse 4

Good news all 'round for the Sky Chiefs. Ismael Ramirez made his triple A debut and went six strong innings, giving up 2 solo homers while walking nobody and striking out 6. Dustin McGowan followed that with 2 innings of no-hit, 5 strikeout ball. Francisco Rosario pitched a scoreless, hitless ninth for the save. The Chiefs scored all 4 of their runs in the first inning on 3 walks and 3 singles. Adam Lind went 1-2 with 2 walks on the evening. Curtis Thigpen caught the game and went 2-4.

New Hampshire 11 @ Bowie 5, 11 innings

Ryan Klosterman's 3 run double with 2 outs in the top of the ninth inning tied the game, and the Fisher Cats strung together 3 walks, 3 singles and 2 doubles in a 5-run eleventh inning for the victory.  Manny Mayorson's bases-loaded walk drove in the go-ahead run and David Smith followed with a 2 run single to put it away.  Chip Cannon led the offence going 3-5 with a walk.  Dustin Majewski went 1-3 with 3 walks at the top of the order.  Justin James, Rodney Ormond and Tracy Thorpe threw a total of 5.1 fine innings of relief for a struggling David Purcey who walked 6. 

Tampa 4 @ Dunedin 3

The Young Yankees scored 4 off Russ Savickas, 3 on a solo homer and a 2 run shot, and held on for the victory. Savickas went 6 innings, allowing 9 hits and no walks while striking out 2. Daryl Harang and Conor Falkenbach finished up with aplomb. The D'Jays rallied for a run in the seventh and two runs in the eighth, but a line out with runners on first and third left them high and dry. Scott Dragicevich doubled and singled in 3 trips. Cory Patton doubled in a run in 4 appearances.

Lansing 6 @ South Bend 1

The Lugnuts scored 5 runs in the bottom of the seventh to break a 1-1 tie and make a deserving winner of Sean Stidfole.  Jesus Gonzalez' 2 run single was the game-winner.  Joey Metropoulos chipped in with 2 doubles and 2 runs scored.  Stidfole went 7 innings and allowed an unearned run on 2 hits and 2 walks with 9 strikeouts.  Ted Serro pitched a perfect eighth inning, striking out 2, and Paul Phillips followed that up with a perfect ninth, striking out 1. 

Batavia 2 @ Auburn 7

The Doubledays tamed the Muck Dogs late in the game, with Ben Ziskind wielding the big stick. Ziskind homered, singled and drove in 2, and added a stolen base for good measure. Canuck outfielder Jonathan Baksh went 3-5 with a baserunner kill, while Adam Calderone led off in style by reaching base three times in four tries. Matt Liuzza and Luke Hopkins each pitched in with a couple of hits. Brian Bull started and went 5.1 innings. Bull allowed 2 earned runs and 9 baserunners, while striking out 2. John Tritz followed with 2.2 shutout innings to earn the win, and Dennis Bigley mopped up in the ninth without incident. The Doubledays scored single runs in the 5th, 6th and 8th innings and 3 runs in the 7th inning to come back from a 2-1 deficit after 4 innings.

Greeneville 4 @ Pulaski 5

Fine pitching by Alex McRobbie and 5 relievers allowed the P-Jays to overcome 5 errors. McRobbie went 5 shutout innings (the number of the day is 5) and allowed 3 hits and 2 walks, while striking out 4. Chris Emanuele and Jonathan Jaspe led the attack with 3 hits each. Baron Frost had an RBI double and a run-scoring groundout. Wes Stone had a rough time at third base.

3 stars

Some days it's hard to find 3; other days you could pick 10.  Thursday fell into the latter camp.

3rd star- Ryan Klosterman, Alex McRobbie
2nd star- Dustin McGowan
1st star- Sean Stidfole

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Pistol - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 09:46 AM EDT (#154078) #

Lind is now in the 5 hole.  Apparently hitting .370+ will bump you up from 7th or 8th eventually.

I just noticed it today, but if you drill through the links to the player stats they're much more detailed.  Now you get splits, the last 10 games, last year's numbers, and height/weight/age info.  Here's Lind for example.

Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 10:13 AM EDT (#154084) #
The addition to the player pages which Pistol describes occurred during the last week.  Nothing like a little competition from and to raise the bar. For instance, the latter site will give you this info on Lind.  If you click on his Syracuse ball in play data, you'll find that he has 14 hits on 32 balls on the ground for a .438 average.  In New Hampshire, he had 24 hits on 117 balls on the ground for a .205 average.  He's not likely to keep hitting .372, however he has made huge improvements in his W/K and K/PA ratios since he arrived in Syrause and this is excellent news. 
ayjackson - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 10:35 AM EDT (#154087) #

i think the jays have sort of botched it all up with McGowan this year.  being that he's out of options, they have panicked and dropped the ball.  when i watch him pitch, i see stud starter written all over him - given time.  but the jays have been bouncing him around from rotation to bullpen in both 'cuse and TO in a panicked fasion trying to figure out where he should pitch.  in hindsight (there's that word again), the jays should have left him starting in syracuse all year long.

for me, i'd have him as my fifth starter next year.  i'd have rosario in the pen.  i think both will mature into excellent major leaguers.  they seem to be a year behind their options (developmentally speaking) though.  the other option with Dustin is to make him the long reliever next year - with chacin, towers and marcum pencilled in as 3-4-5, he's bound to get some good innings in.  maybe he'd make a liriano type move to the rotation by june.

btw, was McGowan's only start against the Yankees?  i went on holidays shortly after and may have missed another.  but i thought the yankees start would warrant another look against lesser opposition.

Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 10:51 AM EDT (#154089) #
I don't agree that the Jays have botched up McGowan.  He struggled early in the season in whatever role he was placed in.  Sometimes young pitchers with a world of talent will do that.  Brandon League is just the latest example among legions of pitching prospects to do so.  In McGowan's case, the arm surgery complicates matters.

My own view is that power pitchers returning from arm surgery are better off in a relief role for at least several years.  In McGowan's case, it seems pretty clear that he should start 2007 as the long man in the Jays pen, as he needs at a minimum to build his confidence before attempting the starting role in the Show again.  Whether it is wise to consider him for a starting role in mid-season depends on your view of the post-TJ power pitcher evidence. 

ayjackson - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 11:37 AM EDT (#154097) #

Though I don't think there's any need to panick if a pticher struggles at the beginning of the year in Syracuse.  Jason Hirsch struggled at Houston's AAA affiliate (?) early and then starting in mid-June, went on a tear wear he didn't allow an earned run in 42 innings and has since earned a stint in the bigs.

McGowan started the year as a reliever at Syracuse, which shows that the Jays were thinking along your lines that, with his options expiring and coming off TJ, the quickest route for success was relief.  If they believe that he shouldn't handle more than 140 innings this year, then I guess I have no quabbles.  I'm no doctor.  But if he could handle 170 innings, he should have been getting a regular role every five days.  Again though, this is hindsight and blurred at that.  I'm not sure I'd have acted differently than the Jays did.

As for the bullpen next year - Accardo, League, McGowan, Frasor, Rosario are all fireballing righthanders, are all out of options and are all at roughly the same stage of development.  Is there room?  That leaves Ryan, Downs and sometimes Tallet/Romero?

R Billie - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 11:44 AM EDT (#154099) #

At this point I would seriously consider League for a starting role next year.  If he can pitch 2-4 great innings as a reliever then why couldn't he pitch 6-7 solid innings as a starter?  And what's going to be worth more to the Jays in the coming years considering how utterly disastrous the back of the rotation has been this year and the fact that Lilly is 90% likely to leave?

I'm not sure what they could have done with McGowan but he needs to stay in one role in a given season and no matter how poorly he does he has to be allowed to work his way out of it.  It's basically a command issue though command could be related to anything from mechanics to health or both.  I'd rather see him start since that's the greater need.

Pistol - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 11:51 AM EDT (#154102) #

The Jays mentioned when they traded for Accardo that he had options left (whereas Chulk didn't), although he'd have to really struggle not to be on the team.

There's seemingly always an injured pitcher or two so I wouldn't be concerned about making enough room.  There's also the possibility of trades.

FisherCatFan - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#154106) #
Three New Hampshire Fisher Cats players (two now w/ Syracuse) make the 2006 Eastern League All-Star Team.

Adam Lind
Curtis Thigpen
Manny Mayorson

Syracuse is looking stacked!

Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#154108) #
Thanks for the links to the recent pictures.  I hadn't really noticed it before, but it looks to me like Lind has filled out quite a bit since his days in Auburn. 
Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 12:21 PM EDT (#154111) #
Speaking of cool new minor league information, will now give you BB/PA and K/PA information for hitters and pitchers.  For instance, for Dustin McGowan, if you mouse over his K total, you will see that his K/PA rate is 22.7%.  K/PA is a better measure of a pitcher's ability to strike out batters than K/9IP for reasons that Robert Dudek articulated a long, long time ago. To simplify the matter, if a relief pitcher strikes out 1 and induces 2 pop-ups among the 3 batters he faces in an inning, this is more indicative of ability to strike out batters than another pitcher who strikes out 1 and induces 2 pop-ups among the 7 batters he faces in an inning even though the K/9IP is the same.  The  former pitcher had the same number of strikeouts among fewer opportunities. 
FisherCatFan - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 12:22 PM EDT (#154113) #
Mr. Green, you're very welcome. Here is a video clip of Lind & Sergio Santos playing catch pregame. (turn up the speakers)

Also, I may have neglected to share the photo gallery from the Syracuse/Pawtucket game from early August.  This was the game in which Rosario was seen in street clothes due to his call up to the Jays.
Sister - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#154115) #
Sickels, over at his website, did an All Questions Answered chat yesterday and shared comments on a few Jays minorleaguers.

He noted the following:

- He would grade Lind as a B+ propect now
- He would grade Snider as a B+ prospect now
- He see's Thigpen in the mould of a Jim Leyritz
- Thinks that McGowan may need to switch organizations to reach his full potential.

Maldoff - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 12:58 PM EDT (#154119) #
Mayorson was an All-Star at SS? That sort of surprises me, considering he has an OPS of only .650. Does anyone know what else might have contributed to this selection?
Pistol - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 01:36 PM EDT (#154122) #

it looks to me like Lind has filled out quite a bit since his days in Auburn (NY).

Yeah, I filled out after college too, although unintentionally.

John Northey - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 01:43 PM EDT (#154124) #
Interesting checking the stats at

Ty Taubenheim has been slumping in August, allowing a 968 OPS against.  However, his BABIP is at 431 while his BB-K ratio, his HR/IP, his BB/9 his K/9 are all in eyeshot of the rest of his season.  In fact his HR/9 is the lowest it has been all year, his K/9 is the highest and his BB/9 is less than .3 from being the best of the season.  This suggests to me that it is largely bad luck killing him now, just like good luck helped him in April (216 BABIP).

Craig B - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 02:01 PM EDT (#154129) #

He see's Thigpen in the mould of a Jim Leyritz

The guy voted best defensive catcher in the Eastern League isn't good enough defensively to catch regularly in the majors?  Wow, that's... weird.

I guess the flipside of that remark is, if he's a competent defender but also Leyritz with the stick, you're looking at an All-Star.

Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 02:06 PM EDT (#154130) #
John, that is a good use of the minor league splits information.  Taubenheim did give up 2 homers in his last start, which is not yet reflected on
Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#154131) #
Craig, I believe that Lugnut Fan was quite surprised by the "best defensive catcher" award. We don't have minor league fielding statistics, but from my recollection, Thigpen has thrown out very few potential basestealers and has a high passed ball and wild pitch rate. I guess defence, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

Leyritz, of course, was a mediocre hitter until the Yankees decided to give up on the catching and third base "experiments" in his late 20s.  As a 1B/DH/emergency catcher, he exploded on the league.  I believe that Thigpen's offensive development will be adversely affected by keeping him as a catcher, but if you talk to 3 people, you'll get 3 different answers to that one. I do like his bat quite a bit in the medium term.

Craig B - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 02:53 PM EDT (#154138) #

Leyritz, of course, was a mediocre hitter until the Yankees decided to give up on the catching and third base "experiments" in his late 20s.

Leyritz hit quite well as a rookie playing mostly third base and doing a little spare catching, then had a bad sophomore slump.  He came back to the Yankees in '92 as a play-everywhere guy and spent most of the next five years as his teams' primary backup catcher, hitting .270 with walks and power and also playing 1B and DH to keep his bat in the lineup some.  I think we're reading the same data differently... he was a major league quality hitter (especially for a catcher) as far back as '89, when he had a .419 OBP in AA, it just took time for him to be moved up to the major league level.  Even his "slump" in 1991 wasn't reflected in his AAA stats, he hit .267/.361/.485 at Columbus.

With a guy like Leyritz's career, you'd have thought he'd have a massive platoon split, but he hit righthanders quite well for a catcher over his career (.263/.348/.405, close to his numbers against lefties).  What's more, and more important, Leyritz always was a fantastic hitter as a catcher.  When he caught, he hit .288/.379/.454, well above his normal levels and well into All-Star territory for a backstop.

Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 03:01 PM EDT (#154139) #
You're way too kind, Craig.  My memory failed me.  Leyritz was indeed an emergency catcher in 92-93 behind Nokes and Stanley when he really developed offensively, but was the primary backup between 94 and 96 when Posada arrived.  He had a big year with the bat in 94 when the Yankees were all primed to face the Expos in the World Series.  Oh, what might have been.
rtcaino - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 04:02 PM EDT (#154143) #
Is there any chance McGowan could get another option year, like Rosario did? Or did he not miss a full year?

Also, pretty cool coincidence: I met Jon Lalonde’s cousin a few days ago. She mentioned her cousin was the Jay’s scouting director, and was quite surprised I knew his name.
Magpie - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 05:12 PM EDT (#154151) #
Is there any chance McGowan could get another option year, like Rosario did? Or did he not miss a full year?

I don't know how it actually works - I do think the team had to request the additional option year for Rosario, who didn't play at all in 2003. Whereas McGowan did pitch in both 2004 and 2005. Will inquire tonight.
Gerry - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 05:45 PM EDT (#154155) #

I don't think McGowan can get an extra option year, first it's too late and secondly McGowan missed parts of two seasons, he didn't miss a full season.

I saw Thigpen catch this season and I thought he was a good receiver with an average to below average arm.  Remember Thigpen didn't catch much in his last college season, Taylor Teagarden was the #1 catcher.  Thigpen is short for a major league catcher, maybe 5'10" or 5' 11", and if I remember correctly his favorite player was Craig Biggio who was also a catcher when he came up.  Thigpen appears to be a fast learner and looks now like he will make it to the majors. 

With respect to John Sickels, his base is around Kansas City and he travels by road from there to see some teams, but the Blue Jays have no teams in that area.  It is only at season end that John talks with scouts about teams such as the Blue Jays to get information for his book.  What Sickels probably didn't realize about Chavez is that he is only 17 years old, his numbers look a lot better as a 17 year old versus a typical 19-20 year old in that league.

Gerry - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 05:53 PM EDT (#154156) #
Jim Callis at BA answers a Chavez question in ASK BA this week.  Summary, he could be a decent right fielder, he is not a 5 tool player.
Gerry - Friday, August 25 2006 @ 09:51 PM EDT (#154166) #
Adam Lind and Curtis Thigpen had good nights.  Lind was 2-4 with a walk and a double to bump his average to .378.  Thigpen was 1-3 and was hit by a pitch and is hitting .348.
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