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The Jays were again undone by poor starting pitching and the double play.

Oh, and Grady Sizemore of course. A.J has been very good recently, but last night he didn't have his stuff. He battled hard to be fair to him and gave the Jays seven Innings in filthy weather, but his struggles showed in his numbers he struck out just two and walked five while giving up all Cleveland's six runs. He just couldn't seem to keep his fastball in the zone and his sinker wasn't sinking last night. Cleveland's hitters hit him hard, for a homer and three big doubles off the left field wall. For Cleveland Paul Byrd had a little better time of it, but needed Fernando Cabrera to get him out of a bases loaded jam in the sixth. With a three run lead Byrd gave up four straight hits to Wells, Glaus, Overbay and Zaunto open ihe Inning, scoring a run and loading the bases with no outs. Cabrera came in and turned things around for the Indians, he got Molina to ground into the 6-4-3, this scored a run but killed the Jays rally. Rios followed up with a flyout to center.

Star of the Game: The Amazing Mr Sizemore was three for five with a double and a massive homer. He leads the league now in extra base hits, runs and doubles.

Unsung Hero: Paul Byrd wishes to award this to Cabrera - "Cabrera picked me up," Byrd said. "I didn't deserve the win. He should have gotten it."

For the Jays: Sparky had another typically great three-hit Sparky game, capped off with another fantastic bunt single, this time to the first base side, and his 30th double of the year.

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Russ Adams was back with the club and in the lineup last night, called up from AAA as a swap with Roberts. Jordan Bastien has a look at Russ' personal season from hell. "I haven't had a whole lot of fun," said Adams, the master of understatement. Adams will be backing up McDonald and Hill, and he has a lot to prove to the organisation over the next few weeks.

Congratulations Cat! Mrs Cat gave birth to the Catalanotto's third child on Monday, daughter Karson Riley, Cat will miss the series to be with them and will rejoin the team in Boston on Thursday.

Elsewhere in the East: Boston kept their lead in the second place race to two by losing to Oakland and He Who Shall Not Be Named, more alarmingly for the Sox Big Papi will return to Boston today for more tests on his irregular heartbeat. "He will get a clean bill of health before he plays again," manager Terry Francona said. "The games are important, but we have a responsibility to do what's right."

Today: Chacin goes to the hill against big C.C, 7:05 P
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Ryan Day - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#154274) #

  I'm not sure that Russ Adams' future is entirely in his own hands.  The Jays really need to figure out whether Aaron Hill is going to be a shortstop or a second baseman. If he can play a decent short, then Adams has a chance to make it back to the team.  But if Hill stays at second, there's no place for Adams, since he can't play short and wouldn't make much of a utility infielder. Unless they wanted to do somethind drastic, like move him to the outfield, but even then he'd be competing with Sparky, Rios, Cat, and even Lind for playing time.

  Hill and Adams should be getting the bulk of the playing time in the middle infield for the rest of the season, to determine concretely what roles they're going to play next year. I don't think I can handle another season in which John McDonald takes over as full-time shortstop halfway through the year.

Maldoff - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 09:57 AM EDT (#154276) #
So because I was slightly bored and interested in seeing what the Jays might get for Vernon Wells, I put together a brief list of transactions over the last 10 years involving star players in their primes, and what the teams got for them. If you think of other trades, feel free to add them:

November 18, 1997: Montreal Expos trade PEDRO MARTINEZ to the Boston Red Sox for Tony Armas and Carl Pavano.
July 31, 1998: Seattle Mariners trade RANDY JOHNSON to the Houston Astros for John Halama, Freddy Garcia, and Carlos Guillen.
February 10, 2000: Seattle Mariners trade KEN GRIFFY to the Cincinnati Reds for Mike Cameron, Brett Tomko, Antonio Perez, and Jake Meyer.
July 26, 2000: Philadelphia Phillies trade CURT SCHILLING to the Arizona Diamondbacks for Omar Daal, Nelson Figueroa, Travis Lee, and Vicente Padilla.
January 8, 2001: Kansas City Royals trade JONNY DAMON with Mark Ellis to the Oakland Athletics for Angel Berroa, Roberto Hernandez and A.J. Hinch.
July 30, 2001: Pittsburgh Pirates trade JASON SCHMIDT with John Vander Wal to the San Francisco Giants for Armando Rios and Ryan Vogelsong.
June 27, 2002: Cleveland Indians trade BARTOLO COLON with Tim Drew to the Montreal Expos for Lee Stevens, Brandon Phillips, Cliff Lee, and Grady Sizemore.
July 29, 2002: Philadelphia Phillies trade SCOTT ROLEN with Doug Nickle to the St. Louis Cardinals for Placido Polanco, Mike Timlin, and Bud Smith.
November 28, 2003: Arizona Diamondbacks trade CURT SCHILLING to the Boston Red Sox for Casey Fossum, Brandon Lyon, Jorge de la Rosa, and Michael Goss.
August 26, 2003: Pittsburgh Pirates trade BRIAN GILES to the San Diego Padres for Jason Bay, Corey Stewart and Oliver Perez.
February 16, 2004: Texas Rangers trade ALEX RODRIGUEZ to the New York Yankees for a player to be named later and Alfonso Soriano and Joaquin Arias.
June 24, 2004: Kansas City Royals trade CARLOS BELTRAN to the Houston Astros for JOhn Buck, Mike Wood and Mark Teahen.
January 11, 2005: Arizona Diamondbacks trade RANDY JOHNSON to the New York Yankees for Javier Vazquez, Brad Halsey, Dioner Navarro, and cash.
November 24, 2005: Florida Marlins trade JOSH BECKETT with Mike Lowell and Guillermo Mota to the Boston Red Sox for Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Harvey Garcia and Jesus Delgado.
November 24, 2005: Florida Marlins trade CARLOS DELGADO to the New York Mets for Mike Jacobs, Grant Psomas, and Yusmeiro Petit.
Joanna - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 10:11 AM EDT (#154277) #

I'm going to forgive AJ for his loss.  He definitely battled.  Not to mention it was raining, making the ball wet (thus hard to grip) and AJ crabby (-er).  He also had some major mojo to battle against . Sportsnet and Jamie were in full jinx mode, mentioning his "four quality starts" and that he "was finally living up to expectations".  No amount of pre-game chanting and blood sacrifice was going to counter-act that kind voodoo.

Congratulations to Cat on his new kitten.   She'll have big brown eyes and excellent patience at the plate.

And I think MacDonald has been kind of awesome at SS.  I think I can handle him at SS for awhile longer.

CaramonLS - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 10:26 AM EDT (#154278) #
Mad, in fairness, Johnson #2 and A-rod do not belong up there.  Both were considered Salary dumps.

And Pedro?  Well... It is debatable whether or not he was in his prime.  He had an extremely good year his last year in MTL, but before that, he was just very good, and not amazing like he was in Boston.

Flex - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 10:43 AM EDT (#154280) #
I'd be looking for one of those "Brian Giles for Jason Bay, Corey Stewart and Oliver Perez" type of deals.
Paul D - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 10:45 AM EDT (#154281) #
And Pedro?  Well... It is debatable whether or not he was in his prime.  He had an extremely good year his last year in MTL, but before that, he was just very good, and not amazing like he was in Boston.

 I don't really see how it's debateable.  He'd just put up a 221 ERA+ and won the NL Cy Young. 

Yeah, he was only around 120 the two years before that, but consider that Vernon's last 4 years are:
100
131
103
104

before his current all-star year.   He's very similar to Pedro in that way.

There are some pretty good deals up there. 
CaramonLS - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 11:00 AM EDT (#154282) #
Right Paul, but we all know the track record for pitching.   Look at he who must not be named.

I don't even think Boston thought he would be *that* great for almost his entire tenure with them.

Paul D - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 11:26 AM EDT (#154283) #
Right Paul, but we all know the track record for pitching.   Look at he who must not be named.

Right, but by that logic, virtually no pitcher is ever in his prime.

Even had Pedro reverted back to 180 innings of 120 ERA+, he'd be a solid pitcher and that would be a decent deal for Boston.
tstaddon - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 12:03 PM EDT (#154284) #
I've heard no one so much as mention this, but for the life of me, I can't see how it doesn't make some sense for both teams to at least consider it. This winter, why not explore trading Vernon Wells to the Yankees for Alex Rodriguez?

According to yesterday's ESPN chat with Buster Olney, the Yankees are only on the hook for $14 million annually for Rodriguez and will likely consider moving him this winter. If they cover, say, $5 million of that, with us throwing them a high-ceiling reclamation project like David Purcey back their way, I would think that such a trade could be possible.

The Yankees get a legit #3 or #5 RH hitter for their lineup, as well as the premier defensive centerfielder in the AL. Toronto fills their black hole at shortstop and does no worse than replacing Wells' production. Plus, you'd have to think that Rodriguez would be receptive to both a return to shortstop and a move to a less intense market. And the opportunity to play NYY 19 times a year could be tempting for a Hall of Famer looking to re-establish himself.

Neither team is likely to get a player who'll pay better immediate dividends. What does everyone think of this?

Magpie - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 12:17 PM EDT (#154285) #
What does everyone think of this?

Well, the Yankees already have three extremely expensive outfielders (Abreu, Damon, Matsui) that no one else can afford.. plus Cabrera and Williams.
Jordan - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 12:27 PM EDT (#154287) #

I'm not sure that Russ Adams' future is entirely in his own hands. 

My expectation is that Adams will start 2007 in another organization. The Jays haven't gotten much out of 2006, but they've learned at least two things: (1) Aaron Hill and Russ Adams can only play second base, and (2) they like Hill's bat way better. I don't anticipate the Jays would get much for Adams, but he hit quite well at AAA and has gotten better defensively -- as part of a larger trade, I think he could help return some value.

I'd like to see Ryan Roberts get some more playing time at 2B and 3B over the balance of the season, to help the team decide if he can be a capable infield backup next year. If the Jays can acquire a full-time major-league shortstop (and there are none presently on the 40-man roster), then Roberts could be the ideal backup infielder -- Hill could shift to shortstop for a game or two if required.

With the departure of Hinske and Hillenbrand, the team also needs a capable backup first baseman, someone who can bring a legitimate bat off the bench when required. These are small elements of the 2007 squad, but important nonetheless.

tstaddon - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 01:04 PM EDT (#154291) #
I don't think Wells would be under the kind of pressure A-Rod is, though certainly he'd be under more scrutiny than in Toronto. Whereas Rodriguez was viewed as a challenger to Jeter's stature on the team, I think Wells would fit like Andruw Jones to Jeter's Chipper. And with any combination of Abreu, Jeter and Giambi batting immediately before and after him, his numbers should be fine.

I don't see a potential outfield logjam as being a huge issue. People have questioned their outfield defence all year and Damon would surely be better suited to LF at this point, with Matsui taking in more games at DH. Cabrera would be an excellent 4th man. And I'm not sure how Bernie figures into their plans next year. I'd be perfectly ok with sending McGowan in this trade, too, so long as NYY picked up a little money.

New York's 3B situation would be a hang-up, however. Who figures to be on the free agent market this winter? If Soriano returned to New York to play second, could Cano move to third? What a lineup that would be...
Magpie - Tuesday, August 29 2006 @ 01:16 PM EDT (#154294) #
Well, if I'm Brian Cashman I'm wondering why I would open a great big hole in my infield simply to fill a hole I don't have in my outfield. If I'm Cashman, I'd rather have something like Glaus and Overbay in return for Rodriguez. Giambi becomes a full-time DH, I let Sheffield walk, Cabrera is my fourth outfielder and we'll talk to Williams about his future.
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