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Even though it appears that the New York Mets will sign an affiliation agreement with the Buffalo Bisons shortly, Syracuse.com reports the Syracuse Chiefs stockholders are now willing to sell part of the club to the Metropolitans in an effort to change the Mets mind to come to Syracuse instead.  Even though a Toronto-Buffalo affiliation looks like a pipe dream at this point, is there a tiny sliver of hope it could still happen?



A column by Bud Poliquin of the Syracuse Post-Standard also talks about the Chiefs pitch to the Mets, indicating that former Blue Jay and current Met Carlos Delgado was among those approached by Chiefs management to try to convince the Mets to go to Syracuse.  There's also a blog from Syracuse.com blogger and sports radio personality Brent Axe that contains a transcript and audio interview with Syracuse General Manager John Simone, the perceived villain for baseball in the Salt City as the Chiefs have a less than sterling reputation in baseball circles when it comes to managing its affairs.

Should the Mets join forces with Buffalo, it's believed Syracuse will be left with either Washington, Florida or even Milwaukee as there have been rumours the Brewers could ask to get out of their affiliation with Nashville.  There is still a chance the Jays could return to Syracuse and as I suggested in a previous thread, I think the best way for it to happen would be for Uncle Ted to pay for a new scoreboard at Alliance Bank Stadium because the hamsters for the old scoreboard are doing a fine job impersonating the Monty Python parrot.  I'm sure the Jays thought they had Buffalo in the bag but they can't be thrilled about the possibility of having their AAA affiliate in New Orleans, Las Vegas or Truth or Consequences, New Mexico (I made the last one up but I was rolling!).  Otherwise, the Jays may need one fast jet plane to bring in any callups for at least the next two seasons.

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rpriske - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 08:39 AM EDT (#192566) #
I continue to hold my breath that the Jays end up with a AAA affiliate in Ottawa.
kinguy - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 12:31 PM EDT (#192571) #
Not going to happen unless someone moves an existing team to Ottawa.  Since they just lost a team that couldn't draw flies and there's an independent league team playing there now, I don't think you'll ever see an affiliated team in Ottawa again.

As I noted in another thread, unless the Jays purchase an existing team and move it, they can't just put an affiliate wherever they want.  Each AAA team is guaranteed a MLB affiliate.  Since some, like Buffalo, are more desirable than others, like Syracuse or New Orleans or Las Vegas for reasons of distance, poor ballpark, etc., the last team standing usually ends up with an affiliate they don't really want, but are forced to accept. 

Unfortunately, this could happen with the Jays unless they kiss and make up with Syracuse management.  Better there that half a continent away in Las Vegas.
John Northey - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 03:40 PM EDT (#192577) #
Quite funny reading the Syracuse paper. They really seem to have thought it was a lock that the Mets would come, and now that it looks like they won't Syracuse is going 'Washington isn't so bad'. Sheesh. If they thought it was tough to compete with the Jays they are in for something ugly.

From the sounds of the articles it also seems the Jays are lucky to escape. The fan base is small, the park needs repairs, and ownership is dysfunctional from how it reads. Not sure how New Orleans is but lets hope it is better as odds are that is where the Jays will end up for the next two years.
parrot11 - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 05:48 PM EDT (#192582) #
Honestly, I couldn't care less how small their fan base is or how dysfunctional their ownership is. The things I care about are the conditions of the field, that games will be played on schedule, and the proximity to Toronto. The other stuff is the Chiefs ownership problems.
lexomatic - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 06:26 PM EDT (#192583) #
i'm really not excited about the possiblity of a AAA team in a) PCL b) Las Vegas (super high offense if i remember) and New Orleans (where to start).
i don't know if the stats bear it out bu my opinion is that bad pitchign environment is worse for pitchers confidence than bad hitting environment.
especially with the kinds of pitchers in the Jays system borderline useful players might have their confidence destroyed in PCL parks.
John Northey - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 06:30 PM EDT (#192584) #
The dysfunctional ownership can cause problems for how the players are treated and what they have to deal with in distractions. Bigger crowds, ala Buffalo, would be a big plus in getting guys ready for what the majors is like as I have to think playing before under 5k people is a lot different than playing before a packed house. The pressure, the adrenaline, and other factors would help them prep for that day they get called up. Buffalo averaged 8,811 per game vs Syracuse at 5,765. Doesn't sound like much, but I'd bet Buffalo had packed houses a heck of a lot more often than Syracuse. New Orleans is just 5,226 but odds are they have other issues on their minds than going to baseball games (part of why I'd prefer they don't go there). Las Vegas is at 5,278 which isn't much better. Sacramento, Round Rock, Louisville, and Pawtucket are the only teams which had a higher per-game average than Buffalo this year.

Of course, in the end getting the AAA team closer to Toronto and having a good field are the two biggest factors. I figure the Syracuse situation though is getting worse with the city not tossing cash at them anymore and a messed up ownership situation (put together odds are the field will go downhill in the long term).

The teams moving affiliates are...
International League - Buffalo, Syracuse, Columbus
Pacific Coast League - Albuquerque, Las Vegas, New Orleans

ML teams looking for AAA affiliates... Cleveland, Toronto, Washington, Florida, LA Dodgers, NY Mets

Only the Dodgers will be happy with a PCL team, the rest will want one of the 3 International League teams. Cleveland/Columbus is viewed as a lock, thus putting Washington, Toronto, Florida and the Mets fighting it out for Buffalo and Syracuse. Florida will probably go for a place closer to home thus end up with New Orleans. Thus the loser of the 3 team battle ends up with Las Vegas or Albuquerque. Albuquerque is slightly closer in New Mexico but direct flights from Las Vegas to most places makes it a bit more appealing and given the Dodgers left them it might be possible. Mix in Buffalo taking the Mets and Syracuse wanting anyone but the Jays and it doesn't look good for the Jays.

So, for 2009 I see the Las Vegas 51's as our most likely AAA affiliate. Not ideal, but I guess it could be worse.

Note: For more on Vegas check http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/sep/03/51s-may-end-month-orphans/ where they figure they will get the Marlins or Washington, neither of which they like.
Moe - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 08:25 PM EDT (#192587) #
The dysfunctional ownership can cause problems for how the players are treated and what they have to deal with in distractions. Bigger crowds, ala Buffalo, would be a big plus in getting guys ready for what the majors is like as I have to think playing before under 5k people is a lot different than playing before a packed house.

I don't think the ownership really affects how players are treated, that's more a function of the local management. Plus, for the real prospects (and these are the ones we care about) it's nothing more than a stop on the way to the majors anyways.

As for the full house: I'm sure it's nice to play on front of a crowd, but I don't think that 5k vs. 10k prepares you for the pressure of the majors. If you are being called up, you are under a lot of pressure regardless and I don't think the crowd makes a difference -- unless you can prove otherwise. And even it does for the first few at bats (again, I doubt it), in the long run, talent will prevail. (Remember Ryan Roberts - his first hit was an HR at Yankee stadium)

What really matters is a good infrastructure and maybe easy travel.
BulletJayFan - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 09:58 PM EDT (#192589) #
As someone who spends most of their summers in Syracuse, I have to say that the Chiefs get what they deserve. They would probably have the Mets locked up but ownership decisions going back 12 years haunt them here. The fact that the shareholders are willing to seel part of the team is a minor miracle. Most of the shareholders are quite old. These are the kinds of people who were middle aged when Ron Guidry pitched in Syracuse. A fair few, I believe, summer in Florida these days. These people do not want to give up their team. John Simone, make no mistake, is a terrible GM. Most of his legacy will be wrapped up in his strongarming of the county to get funding for Alliance Bank, and then for utilities, and then for the grass. He's really built a terrible reputation for himself, both for this and for an incredible lack of PR, which is too bad, because everyone loves his father and grandfather. What's really killing this team, however, is the location of the stadium. Most of the people in local government wanted to move the team downtown when the decision was made to get rid of MacArthur. The people on the North Side of Syracuse, however, many of whom own stock in the company, fought for the team, and so it stayed where it is. Their loyalty is great, but now three quarters of the potential fan base finds it more troubling than it should be to get to the stadium. Its accessible really only for the closer Northern suburbs. This is one of two reasons the team draws 5K/gm (numbers which are inflated, of course). The other is that the team hasn't been successful in 10 years. It would have made sense to get out of this contract 8 years ago for Syracuse, but now, given that Toronto's system is no longer terrible, the Jays are almost certainly their second best option. No one wants to see that, of course.
Elijah - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 10:12 PM EDT (#192592) #
I think the Dodgers want to latch onto Albuquerque. The old Albuquerque Dukes were the Dodgers AAA affiliate for an awful long time and there are a lot of Dodger fans in the area. I think both sides would welcome the new affiliation.
John Northey - Thursday, September 18 2008 @ 10:47 PM EDT (#192593) #
After reading the article on Las Vegas' team it seems whoever gets stuck there gets an old stadium not in the best of condition plus ugly travel. Joy.

Here are photos of Las Vegas' park.
TamRa - Friday, September 19 2008 @ 03:12 AM EDT (#192596) #
If the Brewers try to get out of Nashville does that put nashville in play?

Cause I only live about 2.5 hours from Music City and i could go for that....

:D


ayjackson - Saturday, September 20 2008 @ 05:04 PM EDT (#192644) #
No publicity this year for Baseball America's top 20 lists?  The NYPL Top 20 was announced yesterday and David Cooper was number 2 and Danny Farquar was number 20.
brent - Saturday, September 20 2008 @ 05:07 PM EDT (#192645) #
Syracuse ownership voted 18-0 in favour of the Nationals instead of the Marlins. I think this means Toronto is definitely out of the running.
kinguy - Saturday, September 20 2008 @ 11:09 PM EDT (#192651) #
New Orleans' web site reports the Zephyrs and Marlins have agreed on a PDC, so it looks like it's Viva Las Vegas for the Jays next year.
ayjackson - Saturday, September 20 2008 @ 11:52 PM EDT (#192652) #

so it looks like it's Viva Las Vegas for the Jays next year.

& thus ends the career of the mentally fragile Ricky Romero?  Will he ever be able to 'trust his stuff' in Vegas and the PCL?

StephenT - Sunday, September 21 2008 @ 03:46 PM EDT (#192668) #
The Jays played (and won) a couple games in Las Vegas to start the 1996 season.  (The A's usual home park was temporarily unavailable for renovations.)
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