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Yesterday we probed into very specific Blue Jay questions.  Today we look at the big picture, wins, expectations and attendance.

1.  What do you want to see from the Blue Jay organization this season?  What will make you feel that the franchise is on the right track?

I want them to win, dammit! I'll believe they're on the right track when they're winning, and I want them to win now. Always. Accept no substitute! I simply don't believe in punting a season for development purposes, in retooling and rebuilding. I absolutely believe each and every team in the majors has a genuine opportunity to win a title each and every year. Yes, that means you, Pittsburgh and Kansas City. It's still March, we all start out with the same record. So just win, baby! (DFM)

I want to see the Jays continue to develop players who will be keys to success in 2011 and 2012, that means you JP Arencibia; Brett Wallace; Tyler Pastornicky; Justin Jackson; Brad Emaus; Moises Sierra; Eric Thames; Marc Rzepczynski; Brett Cecil; Zach Stewart; Brad Mills; Bobby Ray; Chad Jenkins; Kyle Drabek; etc. etc.   I would also like to see Travis Snider establish himself.  The 2010 draft might not help in 2011 or 2012 but at some point we will need replacements.   Is that too much to ask for?

I would like to see a competitive team with some big confidence building wins over the division rivals.   And I need AA to trade excess players for some good prospects at the trade deadline.  Finally it would be nice to see some of the minor league teams make the playoffs, especially at the AAA and AA levels - Gerry

I want to see 95 wins. That may be asking a bit much this year. I would settle for a team that contenders find really goddamn annoying. I would also like to root for a team that clearly enjoys playing baseball. As for signs that the team is on the right track? Adeiny Hechevarria, assuming he does sign, is one. What else? Not paying significant money for any mediocre veterans, ever. Getting as much value for their established players as they can this summer. Good seasons from Drabek, Wallace, d'Arnaud and Morrow would suggest that the talent evaluators here know what they're doing. (obal)

 I want to see the team not give up. To prove to me that they're on the right track... they have to win big games (by which I mean games for which they know there's going to be an unusually big crowd, like Opening Day, or something like that), they have to overperform their Pythagorean, their young players have to take a step forward (at least some of them), Anthopoulos has to do smart things, and the fans have to turn out in large numbers. (Ownership also has stuff to prove to me, but I'm not sure there'd be any evidence of that in-season.) -ME

A continued focus on maximizing long term value. Most notably, in terms of being most visible - being sure that organization philosophy trumps managerial nonsense, particularly in terms of Snider and other young players. This extends as well to maximizing trade and signing opportunities which I'm confident AA is doing and will do. - WillRain

Development and a long-term focus. Baseball teams will always be ni flux, with players developing and others taking steps backwards, but Toronto has a lot of high-level pitching (of various talent) and it would be nice at the end of the year if there was a clearer picture about who could contribute or not. This should be the year where the future of pitchers like Purcey, Janssen, Brad Mills and so forth becomes clearer. What will Jesse Litsch look like when he returns and will McGowan ever pitch in the majors again? As well, we need a better year on the farm than we had last year and a strong 2010 draft that indicates the ownership is willing to put money where Anthopolous's mouth is. I'd like to see the major league team win, but if they don't while the youngsters develop and the future becomes clearer that's fine. Thomas

Patience.  And a huge investment in the June draft.  I'd like them to spare no expense with high impact talent that could fall to them.  And if that involves spreading false rumours about Bryce Harper and PED to the ten teams drafting ahead of them, so be it.  Otherwise, just a commitment to the youth movement.  Let's ensure Snider gets 500 plate appearances, and rookie pitchers aren't held back in favour of guys like Eveland and Tallet. -Braden

My Toronto Star Season Passes already!!!   On a serious note, I hope for a competitive team and that they can avoid a 2004-type season from hell.  I hope they actually sign their top draft picks and not cheap out like last year.   I'll really be looking to the minor league side of things for signs of hope and I hope their top affiliates can actually be competitive because they have got to learn how to win somewhere!  - #2JB.

Kids playing, fun at the stadium, hopeful newspaper articles by September - John N

2. How many games will the Jays win this season?

68.  I think the talent level is better than that but I think the Jays will clean house in July and the new younger Jays will take a while to catch up to the major leagues.  Also several of the pitchers may have innings limitations this season which could mean the second tier of starters would be on the mound in september - Gerry

I want them to win, I think they can win, but I don't necessarily believe that they will win. Here's my point of departure: swapping Halladay for Marcum et. al adds about 35 in the Runs Allowed column, bringing them up to 805 or so; swapping Scutaro for Gonzalez removed about 45 runs in the Runs Scored column, taking them down to about 750. Everything is negotiable, but that type of team should go about 76-86. (DFM)

 Let's say 80 wins. That may be a bit high, but in this case I'd rather miss high than miss low.

I'm on record as being very pessimistic about the Jays, long-term. I think it would be very difficult for any team to win under the conditions that the Jays are playing in. Not impossible, but difficult, and I don't think the Jays have enough of the ingredients of success here, nor will they ever. Which means that I have a different perspective for some of these questions from everybody else. Like, there was some talk of trading Aaron Hill. Whether it's a good idea to trade Hill depends on when you think the Jays will be ready to go over the top. If it's in two years, you don't trade him. If it's in six years, then you do trade him. I don't think they'll be ready in twenty years, so to me it doesn't matter if you trade him or not. Although I like him as a player and would therefore like them to keep him around.

But I still want to see the team do smart things. After all, they don't have the luxury of pessimism; they have to believe that they can succeed, or why get out of bed in the morning? Plus it's no fun to watch people messing things up. (Not that I think they will be so bad that they'll mess everything up.)

Anyway, there's no reason why the Jays can't have the best year available to them. There's enough talent on this roster that a strong tailwind can carry them to 80 wins. I'm looking forward to watching them. -ME

83 - I think the team will struggle in the first half but play impressive ball in August and September.

70.  But I don't think it'll be a depressing year.  I just can't see many victories when John Buck, Jose Bautista, Alex Gonzalez, and Edwin Encarnacion comprise 44.4% of a lineup.  That said, there'll be more than enough exciting years from young guys that we'll all have more than enough to froth over for the coming years. -Braden

70. This accounts for the fact I expect Anthopolous to trade away five or six players on this roster over the course of the season and the replacements, in some cases at least, won't be as strong this season. There will be some rough stretches at times, but I also think we'll see some energy from the team over the last couple of months. Thomas

We got a 70 and a 68 so I'll pick 69.  That number just makes me giggle!  A reverse 69 would obviously be better (I'm thinking about 96 so get your minds out of the gutter!)  -#2JB.

75 wins. This team can contend if Lind, Snider and Arencibia hit like beasts. The team can also do a colossal faceplant and lose 100 if Hill gets hurt and Snider provides nothing. (obal)

95 and the AL East title...well, I can dream, but more likely 82 and 4th place thanks to a surprising staff. - John N

3. How many fans will show up (the Jays 2009 attendance was 1.87 million)?

1.7 million.  Much of the fans just want to catch a game.  when the team was good more fans didn't show up so when the team is weaker those fans never showed up to go away - Gerry  

The fans will never come back. The fans will never come back. They will never come back. This team will be lucky to draw 1.4 million this year. Subsequent years might be better... but not too much better. -ME

Holding steady at around 1.8 million. (DFM)

Not really my area of expertise but I'd say 1.5 is a reasonable guess. - WillRain

I figure they'll lose 100k or so just based on the incredibly low expectations.  Things will be bleak in May and June but people will start to see the silver linings at some point after the All-Star break.  One of the rookie pitchers will do something wacky like throw a no-hitter and the team will win nine in a row in August and we'll see big crowds come September.  Really.  -Braden

I'm with the more optimistic people who don't see the crowds falling off too much. The 2009 Jays were a really depressing team to watch in the second half, and the attendance figures reflected it. If some of the hitting prospects make the Show, that should grab a few people's attention. A bad young team is more fun to watch than a bad old team, at least until the novelty wears off. That works in the Jays' favor. (obal)

I'm interested to see how many people show up for game two after the Opening Day wannabes hibernate for the year.  I could see crowds just barely clearing 10,000 for some weeknights again like that Twins series in September.  Like Will, I'll go with 1.5-million fans. -#2JB.

1.65 seems about right. The team will draw over 45,000 on Opening Day and if Halladay starts when Philadelphia comes to town. Otherwise, they'll be lucky if they break 35,000 a couple times for weekend games in the summer against New York and Boston. As Niall says, some games will be painful. Thomas

1.9 million fans - the kids will get people excited and the media will be pushing the Jays in the post JP era - John N

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Dave Till - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 11:13 AM EDT (#212951) #
With league-average pitching, this team would win about 75 games (using my entirely non-scientific method of analysis). The rotation could be anywhere from pretty good (Marcum regains top form; Romero takes a step forward; Morrow does well; the last two spots are tolerable) to really really bad (Marcum and Romero drop off, everybody else serves up batting practice). So anywhere from 80 wins to 105 losses is a possibility. I'll go with 70 wins and an epic battle for fourth place - which they will win by one game. Hey, it's springtime! Why not be optimistic?

1.5 million seems like a reasonable guess for attendance. There will be some very sparsely populated early spring games, though.

TimberLee - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 01:28 PM EDT (#212954) #
I think 70 wins and 1,500,000 paid admissions is optimistic, so I'll go with both guesses.  Fourth place seems overly optimistic for 2010.
Mike Green - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 01:35 PM EDT (#212955) #
What will make me feel the organization is on the right track?

1.   tangible efforts by ownership to promote the organization throughout Canada-making games more accessible on radio/TV, caravans, adding a lower minor league franchise in a Canadian venue, whatever

2.   spending (wisely, of course) on draft and international talent,

3.   signing Hechevarria, and continued development of Pastornicky and Carlos Perez, and

4.   acquiring a centerfield prospect (like a Ben Revere) at the deadline. 


Others may see hope in Lind, Snider and Brett Wallace.  I do, too, but for me, this club is going to need a base of fine talent up the middle of the diamond in order to compete with the titans. 

VBF - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 02:02 PM EDT (#212956) #
I think that the Jays stand a very good chance of hitting the basement of attendance for a game as far as franchise records go, but that it isn't any more reason for doom and gloom as 2004 was, or 2002, or any other "hopeless" season. The Godfrey years gave the organization and Rogers a very false sense of what fan interest was (attendance allegedly increased from 2003 to 2004 for no particular reason). This year will have the lowest announced attendance per game, but in my opinion won't be the lowest revenue game--there had been a handful games in 2000 and 2004 where there were <3,000 people who paid money to enter the stadium. Things might be announced as much worse but they won't be. I think the philosophy of the ticketing department will be to play up the big weekend games and take the losses on the Tuesdays against the Royals.

The phenomenon that was the Canada/USA game in the WBC,  the Burnett/Halladay game, and what will be the Halladay start in 2010 is a fantastic sign. There are baseball fans here, and they will pay a reasonable sum to watch good, winning, baseball when the time comes.

Mick Doherty - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 02:07 PM EDT (#212957) #

The prognostications strike me as enormously positive, given much of the tone of  the past few months. Not a single 100+ loss record viewed and very few in the 90s ... I'd personally be more surprised by 82-80 than by 55-107. I don't think it's gonna go either way like that though ... let's say 70-92?

ayjackson - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 02:21 PM EDT (#212958) #

I'd personally be more surprised by 82-80 than by 55-107. I don't think it's gonna go either way like that though ... let's say 70-92?

Well 82 is closer to 70 than 55 is, so.....I'm not sure I really have a point, just bored.

Weren't we a 85 win team last year by statistical measures?  (Pythagorean, second/third order, etc.)

Are we really going to lose 15 wins because of Doc?  Outside of Doc, I think the next 24 are better than last year.  Until August anyway, when pitchers get shut down, rookies get called up and the bullpen gets traded away.

I'm actually pretty bullish on the bullpen as it stands today.

John Northey - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 04:42 PM EDT (#212962) #
So, what has changed since last season's team (runs for/against suggesting a 84-78 talent level).

Starting Pitching:
Last year... (5+ starts)
Halladay/Romero/Tallet/Richmond/Cecil/Rzep/Purcey/Janssen
This year...
Marcum/Romero/Tallet/Morrow/Eveland
Analysis: 2 repeats, Marcum Richmond/Cecil, will our #6/beyonds be better than Rzep/Purcey/Janssen last year? I suspect so.

Bullpen:
Last year...
Carlson/League/Frasor/Camp/Downs/Accardo/Ryan (20+ appearances)
This year...
Frasor/Gregg/Downs/Camp/Janssen/Accardo/Valdez
4 repeats, will Gregg/Janssen/Valdez be better than Carlson/League/Ryan? Remember, those 3 2009 Jays had ERA+'s of 95 or less.

Y'know, it isn't unreasonable to expect the staff overall to be better even without Halladay.

Lineup:
Last year-OPS+...
CA: Barajas-73
1B: Overbay-122
2B: Hill-117
3B: Rolen-124
SS: Scutaro-111
LF: Snider-98
CF: Wells-88
RF: Rios-96
DH: Lind-144
Bench... (50+ PA)
UT: Bautista-101
1B: Millar-79
3B: Encarnacion-97
CA: Chavez-67
SS: McDonald-72
DH: Ruiz-166
UT: Inglett-87

This year...
CA: Buck-103
1B: Overbay-122
2B: Hill-117
3B: Encarnacion-97
SS: Gonzalez-64 (ick)
LF: Snider-98
CF: Wells-88
RF: Bautista-101
DH: Lind-144
UT: McDonald-72
DH: Ruiz-166 (not gonna happen)
UT: McCoy- -100 (6 PA)
CA: Molina-51

Y'know, that offense could be very (ugly) offensive. It is worse than I thought looking at it now. Ugh. 2010 is a pitching and defense year - lets hope it holds up enough to keep it fun.
Mike Green - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 05:21 PM EDT (#212963) #
I doubt very much that the Jays will allow fewer than the 771 runs they allowed last year.  The loss of Halladay and a full season of Encarnacion at third (rather than Rolen for most of it) would require that the young pitchers do better than one ought to expect. 

Don't get me wrong.  I like the young pitching.  It's a tough division, and the defence has taken a step backward. 

Lefty - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 05:40 PM EDT (#212965) #
I don't give a whit what the record is, all I want is that the team continues to accumulate and develop young talent and builds something tangible. I might even take my for a drive Vancouver to Toronto and catch a weekday series this July or August.

Maybe because I don't live in Toronto and my relevance isn't wedded to the team. All I require is that I like the team and its management.  And for the first time in years I like this organization again. This team feels good. Any success will be a bonus.

Its just baseball again, not politics.

Lets play ball and watch the kids develop.

squagles - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 06:39 PM EDT (#212966) #
Man, I'm the complete opposite.

I don't get the joy I'm supposed to get from watching young players.  I liked Matt Stairs, Roy Halladay, Scott Rolen, Troy Glaus and Gregg Zaun just fine.

Even the players who make it aren't enjoyable to watch when they are struggling.  Adam Lind wasn't fun to watch when he couldn't lay off high heat.  Roy Halladay wasn't fun to watch in 2000.  Aaron Hill wasn't fun to watch in those stretches where he couldn't do anything with the few pitches he bothered to see.  And these are just the successful players!

I hate "rebuilding".

ayjackson - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 07:30 PM EDT (#212968) #
Welcome to the Box, Cito.  ; )
SJE - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 07:45 PM EDT (#212969) #

Unless the Jays are a contending team , I get no enjoyment out of watching a bunch of veterans play with upside of 75 to 85 wins this year, and probably the next 5 years. Veterans should be used as the following:

1) holding spot until this positions can be filled by somebody from your minor league system

2)mentors or educators. Examples John Macdonald or Jose Molina

3) most importantly to acquire top end propects at the trade deadline and if I can not workout a trade for a top prospect I am willing to wait until the following June to use my draft picks. I would be shocked if AA did not offer all pending free agents arbitration. He does not seem concerned whether the player might accept arbitration or not. When Scutaro was trying to decide whether to accept arbitration or not, AA responded by saying maybe we can use him in left field.

As the line up stands right now Jays should win 75-85 wins, if they make some trades especially in the backend of the bullpen then 65-70 wins. Attendence 1.4 million

Mylegacy - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#212971) #
We are STARTING to rebuild. When it is finished and the NEW players are here and contributing then we will go through the "young pitchers will break your heart" phase. Then - for 1 to 4 years we'll be a contender. IF that 1 to 4 years is going to be longer - that will depend on how AA CONTINUES to load the system with Baby Jays.

This year will be very interesting - interesting like in the Chinese Curse - not interesting like in the "wow what a pleasant surprise" dream.

Having said that - I'm EXCITED about this year - and going forward. MY team is actually TRYING to rebuild and I'm delighted. We'll have serious players to watch at almost every level of the minors - and serious players on the big team and making their way to the bigs every month throughout the season.

Our starting rotation to start this year may be the worse group of starters in thte AL East - maybe even the whole of the AL. BUT - when seriously - based on stuff - only Morrow has a chance to be there in a couple of years - and even Morrow will have to master control and command to be there. There is MUCH to be excited about....Drabek, Jenkins, Stewart, Alvarez and Morrow (if he makes the cut) - if they reach their mid-rotation + top ends - will give us a rotation that can contend.

Exciting times - INTERESTING TIMES - have a scotch and just enjoy watching the guys all try their best to stay in the bigs and or make the bigs. At lot of young bodies, minds and souls are going to be giving their best for our entertainment - enjoy. I know I'll enjoy these next few years immensely.

TamRa - Friday, April 02 2010 @ 11:28 PM EDT (#212978) #
To be clear, my win predictions are usually based on predicting a pythag and assume a +/- of 3 wins. Last year I predicted 86 and the pythag fell within that 83-89 range.

But we've underachived the pythag so often over the last few years that I'm guessing (based on nothing at all) that the team overpreforms the pythag this year. Which is to say that my actual instinct for the team is about 79 wins and a 76-82 range...but I picked a total just over the high point of that as a reflection of the starry-eyed assumption that they win more than they should.


TamRa - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 01:08 AM EDT (#212980) #
So, what has changed since last season's team (runs for/against suggesting a 84-78 talent level).

Let's assume Romero is at least as good as he was last year, in total.

Last year nine pitchers combined to make 99 starts posting 548 IP and totaled an ERA of 5.47

that's slightly more than the total of three regular turns in the rotation - the question then is this - can Tallet, Eveland, Morrow, Cecil, Zep and whomever else might be recalled to take those turns equal or surpass that total?

I don't see any reason to assume otherwise. It's POSSIBLE that many of them could crater but it's also possible 2 or 3 of them could step way up.

Now, that leaves the difference in Marcum and Doc.

Last year Doc made 32 starts, pitched 239 innings, with a 2.79 ERA and a 1.13 WHIP - that's almost 7.5 innings per start

In his last healthy work, Marcum had a 3.39 ERA and a 1.16 WHIP in 25 starts and 151 IP (about 6 per start)

So if we assume mMarcum returns to his previous form, and gets 32 starts (obviously I'm not among the pessimistic about his endurance) that give him almost 200 IP (192 to be exact) and leaves almost 50 for various relievers - and we'll take a dim view and suggest they do worse than Marcum.

All in all, let's say that Marcum plus the relief work totals up to one full run more in ERA than Doc posted. So one extra run per nine in the same number of innings is about 26 more runs.

All told, then, one could assume that with no drop in bullpen performance (and the pen wasn't dominating last year) that the Jays would allow about 800 runs (independent of decreased defensive efficency)

In my personal opinion, Romero will get better, and the core of players who'll make up those other 99 games (Morrow, Zep, and Cecil) will be noticeably better than 5.47 - enough positive here combined to offset the slip in defense more or less.

So I'm going to go on the assumption we give up about 800 runs next year.

Lineup:
Last year-OPS+...
CA: Barajas-73
1B: Overbay-122
2B: Hill-117
3B: Rolen-124
SS: Scutaro-111
LF: Snider-98
CF: Wells-88
RF: Rios-96
DH: Lind-144
Bench... (50+ PA)
UT: Bautista-101
1B: Millar-79
3B: Encarnacion-97
CA: Chavez-67
SS: McDonald-72
DH: Ruiz-166
UT: Inglett-87

This year...
CA: Buck-103
1B: Overbay-122
2B: Hill-117
3B: Encarnacion-97
SS: Gonzalez-64 (ick)
LF: Snider-98
CF: Wells-88
RF: Bautista-101
DH: Lind-144
UT: McDonald-72
DH: Ruiz-166 (not gonna happen)
UT: McCoy- -100 (6 PA)
CA: Molina-51

Okay, just projecting on the upcoming year for the 2010 lineup:

This year...
CA: Buck-103 = came into 2009 with an 82 career OPS+...so call him roughly 10 points up from Barajas if he matches that.

1B: Overbay-122 = roughly the same

2B: Hill-117 = something about like 2007, with an uptick in walks and a few more homers/few less doubles - say about a 112

3B: Encarnacion-97 = came into 2009 with a carer mark of 104. In 2009 Jays' 3B combined to hit .285/.349/.439/.788
Coming into 2009, EE's career slash lines were .266/.346/.455/.801
It's reasonable to expect that EE can give us offensively what all 3B combined gave us last year. Any dip resulting from substitutions should be marginal, if any.


SS: Gonzalez-64 (ick) = his last previous six sewasons total an 80 OPS+. his rate in Boston was 95...I'll speculate something in the low 80's - about a 30 point drop from Scoot.

LF: Snider-98 = if Cito let's him play, I expect a reasonable increase - at least enough to off-set Hill's slight decline - call it 105 to 107

CF: Wells-88 = should return to career norms. Coming into 2007 his career OPS+ was 112 so let's give him that

RF: Bautista-101 = not that far above his career rate, downgrade with increased exposure but likely a marginal one.

DH: Lind-144 = no reason to assume a decrease, might see marginal increase. enough to even out Bautista's drop.

UT: McDonald-72 = should be about the same, hopefully has little relevance

DH: Ruiz-166 = impossible to predict the number of AB's or the results. For the sake of speculation, we'll give him Millar's time and confidently state that he'll deliver much more than a 79. Lacking other points of referance, I'll give him an even 100.

UT: McCoy- -100 (6 PA) = again, no point of referance, but all he has to do is get in the neighborhood of Inglett's 87 so I'll make that a wash.

CA: Molina-51 = should be about the same, has little relevance. difference between he and Chavez is marginal

Conclusions:

Players who's contributions more or less wash out with last year's work (either there own, or what the former players did, or both):

Buck, Molina, McDonald, McCoy, Overbay, Bautista, EE

Players who should improve in a noticable fashion:
Snider (+10 or so)
Ruiz (as compared to Millar, +20 or so)
Wells (+25 or so)
Lind (uncertain, +5 or so?)

Expected decreases:

Hill (-10 or so)
Gonzo (v. Scutaro, -20 or so)

Build in an assumption that I'm being overly optimiistic - and it's still quit reasonably they will score at least as many runs as last year.
Snider & Ruiz (as opposed to Snider and Millar last year) offset Hill & Gonzo (as opposed to Hill and Scoutero last year) forget Lind and consider the rest pretty much a wash and it comes down to how much Wells regresses to his mean.
Even if you lose a bit elsewhere, you won't lose as much as Wells can reasonably be expected to gain.

All that works out to....more or less a .500 team

Pythag-wise I mean.


I'm not seeing the 68, 70 win team others project unless you have a lot of failure to meet reasonable expectations on this team (which COULD happen but I won't assume it WILL)

scottt - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 05:15 AM EDT (#212984) #
EE does not look ready with the bat. I don't expect much from him in April.

It might look like a .500 team right now, but if AA is successful some productive guys could be gone by mid-year.




joeblow - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 10:07 AM EDT (#212988) #
No more than 68 wins from this group but it could be a good 68 or bad 68. Hopefully this is a year to grow from and not a spiral downward. I'm really concerned about how this coaching staff handles the young pitchers. If more than a few of Marcum, Romero and gang regress, this year will be a disaster.
greenfrog - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 10:59 AM EDT (#212989) #
I'm guessing about 73-77 wins. I think the pitching depth, potentially improved offensive performances from Ruiz, Snider and Wells, and possible midseason callups (Arencibia, Wallace, Cecil, Stewart), will keep the team from bottoming out completely. However, the AL competition will be fierce. A Doc-less pitching staff and a lineup that features Bautista, Gonzalez, Buck, Wells and Encarnacion is going to have its share of struggles. I think Morrow, Tallet and Eveland are going to be hard-pressed to succeed as starters in the AL East.

From a developmental perspective, though, I'm optimistic about 2010. Even if it takes several years for the team to become a legitimate contender, I believe the organization is headed in the right direction, and it should be enjoyable to track the development of the team's better prospects.
jerjapan - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 12:00 PM EDT (#212994) #
tangible efforts by ownership to promote the organization throughout Canada-making games more accessible on radio/TV, caravans, adding a lower minor league franchise in a Canadian venue, whatever

Mike Green, I heard Beeston talking about this recently as a major focus for the organization, adding that they were always worried about drafting Canadian talent due to 'perception' problems but that they will do more of this (witness paxton / Eliopoulous).  He also talked about adding franchises (plural) in Canada.
electric carrot - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#213012) #
Predictions for 10

The Good:
Marcum establishes self as legitimate ace
Lind continues to thump
Litch comes back and re-establishes self as middle of the rotation guy
Morrow shows more consistent flashes of brilliance
Tallet establishes himself as a middle of the rotation guy
Janssen becomes badass again and is in contention for come back player of the year

The Bad:
Romero takes a step back and loses spot on rotation for a while, (file under young pitchers will break your heart.)
SS (Gonzalez) remains a gaping hole
Catcher remains a gaping hole

The Ugly:
EE reminds us about the Danny Ainge experiment at 3rd base.  Plays terrible on both sides of the ball.
3rd base becomes historically bad black hole of constant suckitude

73 Wins.




CeeBee - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 07:17 PM EDT (#213034) #

I want to see a strong farm system and a team mostly built from within. I want to see either an enlarged playoff format or a 2 division setup.

75 wins this year seems about it  and 4th place  in the East.... did I ever say how much I dislike the current divisional alignement.....

Ron - Saturday, April 03 2010 @ 09:04 PM EDT (#213040) #
The Jays need to invest in the draft and in the international market. Those are the cheapest ways to aquire high end talent that you can control for an extended period and before they reach the peak age of 27. The Jays could lose 130 games this season but if they are willing to go over slot for high end talent than the season will be a success for me. They also need to stay away from the Kevin Gregg's of the world. He's not going to put bums in the seats or help the team reach the playoffs. He's also probably not going to bring back a prospect on the level of Josh Bell. Every single penny they're spending on Gregg would have been better going towards the draft/scouting/international rookies.
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