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The rosters for the full season minor league teams will be set this weekend. As the Jays put the various pieces in place there are several questions that are creating uncertainty for those rosters.

Who are the starting pitchers in Buffalo?

Over the winter it seemed likely that Daniel Norris would start in Buffalo. Other potential starters included Liam Hendricks and Ricky Romero. All three of these pitchers will not be in the opening day list of starters. So who will start in Buffalo? I see two probables, Andrew Albers and Scott Copeland and three empty starter spots. Who else could start? Jeff Francis is a possibility, unless he sees himself as a reliever now.

On a related topic the Bisons have a multitude of relievers: Wilton Lopez; Chad Jenkins; Bobby Korecky; Cory Burns; Matt West; Juan Pablo Oramas; Rob Rasmussen; Ryan Tepera; Preston Guilmet; Bo Schulz; Tiago Da Silva and Steve Delabar. Most of these pitchers have been exclusively relievers for several years now, so it is doubtful that most of them could now turn into a starter. Lopez and Jenkins seem like the most probable starters. In total this is a list of twelve relievers, the club has room for seven or eight. Either some start, some go on the phantom DL, some go to AA, or some get released.

Just yesterday AA said the Jays are looking at new free agents, they may offer someone a starting job in Buffalo. The other option would be to promote someone from AA, such as Austin Bibens-Dirkx who has made a few starts in AAA. The Jays need to make sure the team is competitive, so they cannot afford to leave the rotation too short.

Johan Santana, Ricky Romero and John Stilson are waiting in the wings.


Who plays first base in Buffalo?

The Jays have three first baseman, and that includes counting Jake Fox as an outfielder. The three first basemen are Chris Colabello, Andy Wilkins and Daric Barton. How do they all fit in?

Barton and Wilkins have never played the outfield. Colabello played a part of two games in right field last year. Colabello might get to try the outfield again but the Bisons have four outfielders, Fox, Ezequiel Carrera, Chris Dickerson and Caleb Gindl. There are too many players it seems. There is a similar jam in the infield, at least initially. Ryan Goins, Jon Diaz, Munenori Kawasaki and Ryan Schimpf are looking for 2B and SS playing time. Again the Jays will have to release someone, move someone to AA, or rotate three guys between 1B and DH.


Where does Andy Burns get to play?

Andy Burns had a disappointing year last year in AA. The first half of the season for him was very weak but his second half was decent. The Jays re-signed Matt Hague to play third in Buffalo. Does that mean Burns goes back to New Hampshire? What does that mean for his development? The Jays like to challenge prospects, if they send Burns back to AA they don't expect him to provide relief at the major league level this year.


If Dwight Smith is now a 2B, where does Jon Berti play?

Like Burns, Berti had a decent year in AA in 2014. However there are many 2B ahead of him in Buffalo. And now there is a 2B behind him namely Dwight Smith. Smith has converted to be a second baseman. Does smith play there exclusively, does he split time between 2B and the outfield? Berti played some outfield last year, is he now an outfielder?


What do the Jays do with DJ Davis and Anthony Alford?

And let's add Roemen Fields into the mix to give us three fast centre fielders. Davis didn't master Lansing last year and maybe should go back there. Alford has very little experience above short season ball, is he ticketed for Lansing too? Then there is the potential issue that the Lansing staff felt that Davis picked up his game last season when Alford was in town. They are both from Mississippi. Meanwhile Fields has impressed and, after spending 2014 in Vancouver, Lansing is the next logical step.

Another name to throw into the mix is Josh Almonte who hit very well in Bluefield last season. He would also be due to stop in Lansing this year. I count four centre fielders, what will the Jays do?


In case you forgot the Jays did not release minor league rosters last season, they let the teams announce the rosters themselves. It seems like some of the teams were upset to be scooped by Da Box. Traditionally this Saturday is the day when the Jays make the starting day team assignments official so look for tweets from players on that day, although again the Jays might ask them to hold off pending the official team announcements.

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Mike Green - Wednesday, April 01 2015 @ 04:53 PM EDT (#298987) #
Fields is 24, and his signature asset is speed.  I wonder if the club might promote him to Dunedin.  I would certainly want Alford in Lansing.

I am surprised that the club has not moved Dwight Smith Jr. back to the outfield after Travis was acquired.  It is a lot to expect him to make the shift  from the outfield to second base and still develop as a hitter.  Perhaps he has the athleticism to make the transition seamlessly but few do. 

Hodgie - Wednesday, April 01 2015 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#298989) #
I don't find it all that surprising Mike. While optimistic of Travis' potential from what little I have seen, he is not exactly a blue chip, can't miss prospect. It makes sense then to keep Smith working at second base until either Travis shows he is capable of handling the position for the next few years or Smith shows that he is, conversely not capable. Smith appears by all accounts to have a rather advanced approach at the plate already and that may factor into his ability to handle the position transition without adversely affecting the further development of his bat.
scottt - Wednesday, April 01 2015 @ 09:15 PM EDT (#298991) #
I think Smith doesn't have enough pop to play as a corner outfield. If he's worth more at the position, that's the right move regardless of where the holes are in the Jays lineup.
jerjapan - Wednesday, April 01 2015 @ 09:23 PM EDT (#298992) #
I agree with you on both fronts Mike - Fields is an org guy - he was delivering mail before playing ball last season, for cripes sake - so he's going wherever he doesn't interfere with playing time for Alford and Davis.

And yes to Smith as an OF - I'm not sure how much this org values need over development with a guy like smith, but there is certainly more need / opportunity for an advanced prospect in the OF than there is at 2b.  then again, maybe the tools simply project better at 2b in the minds of the development people.

Gerry, I nearly always agree with you and your minor league knowledge literally dwarfs mine, but Oramas sure seems like a given in the Buffalo rotation to me ... 25 starts last year, 111 in his career vs. 47 from the pen, most in lower level leagues.  Lopez has 18 career starts including the minors, and his career goes back to 2004.  and ive been saying this for at least a year - the Jays have shown a lot of interest in developing Jenkins as a reliever, which is where he profiles.  I'd say moving him back to the rotation in Buffalo means that the org has soured on him, which i doubt - he's very valuable as an 8th or 9th reliever on the depth charts - as long as he has options.  perhaps with our minimal depth in the rotation right now it makes sense to see if he can do it, but I figure Estrada is the 6th guy on the depth chart and Hendicks (who i expect will be kept with Goins down) is 7th.  Santana and wolf slot in after that.

I see randy wolf, casey lawrence and Bibens-Dirx getting starts till santana is ready.  who knows if romero will look reasonable in AAA after his surgery. 



Ryan Day - Wednesday, April 01 2015 @ 09:37 PM EDT (#298993) #
I'd send both Davis & Alford to extended spring, and then Vancouver. Davis was terrible last year - couldn't hit, didn't walk, couldn't steal on the rare occasions he got on base. Alford has even less professional experience, and he was lousy in the Australian league (granted, I don't know what level of competition that is).

Both those guys are pretty raw, and I think last year it ended up being a bad idea to push Davis before he'd shown real success. I'd like to see them really dominate a level before moving up.

dan gordon - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 01:56 AM EDT (#298994) #
Bo Schultz has been a starter the last 2 years in the minors - 23 starts last year and 16 the year before. He'll need to be stretched out a bit, but he'd be a candidate for the Buffalo rotation as well. Oramas has been mainly a starter. Albers, Wolf, Copeland, Francis. Lawrence if they need to dip into the AA ranks. Should be able to cobble together a half decent rotation. Maybe they pick somebody up on waivers, plus Santana in a few weeks.

Some interesting comments about Hoffman on McCown's show today. Saying he could move very fast, like Norris/Graveman last year, and could be a Sept call up this year. I think Tellez is another guy who could move fast.

I hope Alford shows enough to start the season in Lansing.
jerjapan - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 07:56 AM EDT (#298998) #
free content scouting reports on the FSL at BP have some Jeff Moore comments on Smith Jr. and Guerrero.  no mention of smith at 2b

· Dwight Smith, Jr. (Blue Jays) was an intriguing player last year in the FSL, but one likely to end up as a fourth outfielder thanks to his “tweener” profile (not enough power for a corner, not enough defense for center). Perhaps in an attempt to remedy that, he has added a rather extreme leg kick in his stance. It might cost him some contact, but if it moves his power up a tick on the scale it could be enough to make him an everyday player. Stay tuned.

· The overall product doesn’t add up to the sum of the parts for Emilio Guerrero (Blue Jays), who continues to look the part but baffles scouts with below-average baseball IQ and poor execution at the plate. The frame, at 6-4 and thin, is ideal, and he handles it well enough to handle shortstop for the time being, but the lack of approach at the plate continues to hold him back.
Gerry - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 08:47 AM EDT (#298999) #
Thanks jerjapan, I think I got my Mexican league pitchers mixed up. I had thought we signed Oramas from the Mexican league but I see he pitched in the PCL last year, and started.
Gerry - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 08:59 AM EDT (#299000) #
As I thought, the Jays have added a starter for Buffalo. They signed Felix Doubront today. If they can fix him so he pitches like he did a few years ago he could be the number one call-up in the event of an injury.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 09:12 AM EDT (#299001) #
Doubront has lost 3 mph on his velocity since 2012.  There's a story involving a car door blow to the left shoulder in 2014, but it appears from fangraphs that the lost velocity appeared in 2013.  In any event, I doubt that he will be quickly fixed.  It is certainly possible for a left-hander to adapt to throwing 90 instead of 93, but this doesn't usually happen quickly. 
uglyone - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 09:56 AM EDT (#299003) #
doubie's one good season was part of the crazy freak luck the red sox team shared in 2013. in addition to having a limited arsenal, and in addition to his velo drop, he's also been called out for being lazy and poorly conditioned, and a bit of a problem child.

but hey, can't hurt to take a look.
uglyone - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 10:15 AM EDT (#299005) #
I also think that Davis is a write-off. I don't think prospects recover from statslines like he's put up.

it's one thing hoping on a 19yr old Gose putting up a mediocre 109wrc+ with a 23% K rate in A+ Dunedin, but its pretty much futile doing the same for a 19yr old Davis putting up a horrendous 67wrc+ with a 31% K rate in A Lansing.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 10:28 AM EDT (#299008) #
Youneverknow.  Mike Cameron was pretty much the same as Davis at age 19 in the Midwest League, and wasn't much better (but did cut down the Ks somewhat) at age 20 in the Midwest League.  He had a long, slow trip up and I think that's exactly what the Jays should attempt with Davis.  He was 19-39 stealing bases last year which tells you something.  If he can cut his K rate to some degree and improve his stolen base efficiency to some degree in the Midwest League this year, that would be a success.  Small steps.
85bluejay - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 12:10 PM EDT (#299010) #
Dwight Smith Jr. - I've read where jays development people think his bat plays up at 2B - so if Smith can stay at 2B, then he's a more valuable asset regardless of Devon Travis's performance( I'm more intrigued with Christian Lopes & Shane Optiz than Travis)

I expect despite mediocre numbers that Roemon Fields, given his age starts in Dunedin and may be fast tracked if he performs - I think the jays see the possibility of a Jarrod Dyson type speed Demon /4th outfielder.

Way too early to give up on Davis - he was a very raw Toolsy High school selection from Mississippi, where apparently the quality of the competition is suspect - He may end up a bust but it's way too early to write him off.
finch - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 12:14 PM EDT (#299011) #
What is everyone's expectation of Davis if he reaches the majors?

For me, if he's a .250 hitter, playing a gold glove caliber CF, while steal 40-50 bases each year, with 8-12 HRs, then that's a great pick.
cybercavalier - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 12:48 PM EDT (#299012) #
he Jays like to challenge prospects,

Lopez has 18 career starts including the minors, and his career goes back to 2004.  and ive been saying this for at least a year - the Jays have shown a lot of interest in developing Jenkins as a reliever, which is where he profiles.  I'd say moving him back to the rotation in Buffalo means that the org has soured on him, which i doubt - he's very valuable as an 8th or 9th reliever on the depth charts - as long as he has options.  perhaps with our minimal depth in the rotation right now it makes sense to see if he can do it, but I figure Estrada is the 6th guy on the depth chart and Hendicks (who i expect will be kept with Goins down) is 7th.  Santana and wolf slot in after that. I see randy wolf, casey lawrence and Bibens-Dirx getting starts till santana is ready.  who knows if romero will look reasonable in AAA after his surgery. 

Bo Schultz has been a starter the last 2 years in the minors - 23 starts last year and 16 the year before. He'll need to be stretched out a bit, but he'd be a candidate for the Buffalo rotation as well. Oramas has been mainly a starter. Albers, Wolf, Copeland, Francis. Lawrence if they need to dip into the AA ranks. Should be able to cobble together a half decent rotation. Maybe they pick somebody up on waivers, plus Santana in a few weeks.
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For pitchers and hitters, the Bisons seem to have surpluses. Would the Jays trade away some players to other teams instead of waiving them ? Player names in bold indicates possible trade assets.

Pitches SP: Orasmas, Romero, Francis, Santana, Wolf, Copeland, Albers; Schultz
RP: Wilton Lopez; Chad Jenkins; Bobby Korecky; Cory Burns; Matt West; Rob Rasmussen; Ryan Tepera; Preston Guilmet, Tiago Da Silva, Steve Delabar.

Francis, Santana and Wolf could be SP/RP during their time in Buffalo, even in New Hamsphire; if Santana needs to build his arm strength, would pitching in Buffalo make a difference than in NH. Because of the surplus, pitchers can be developed based on each individual. Thus if Austin Bibens-Dirkx would perform satisfactorily and progress in development in pitching in Buffalo, I see why not ?

Hitters:
C: Thole, Jimenez, Fox
1B: Colabello, Barton, Wilkins, Fox
3B: Hague, Wilkins, Barton (?), Colabello (?)

Preferences (?): Fox played C/1B/3B for the Phillies AA last season, he could play C/1B again to help Thole and Jimenez.. Thole catches young pitchers. Jimenez catchers veteran pitchers. Hague and Wilkins form RHP/LHP combo at 3B. As the Jays like to challenge prospects, Wilkins that is. Similarly, challenge to Barton and Colabello

SS Goins, Diaz
2B Schimpf Kawasaki, (Berti ?)

LF: Dickerson, Fox,
CF Carrera
RF: Gindl, Colabello

About Andy Burns and Jon Berti, the Jays do not need to rush them because of the surplus; thus I leave discussion on them to other posters.

To sum up, can the Jays package some surplus in players for trades ?
jerjapan - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#299013) #
Cybercavalier, in my humble opinion, the players you highlighted have no trade value whatsoever. They are the AAAA guys that every org signs to minor league deals or picks up on waivers. one or more could make a legit contribution this year - maybe colt hynes is a quality loogy for us this year - but it's often about just getting hot at the right place and time - luck of the draw, really.

at best, you could swap one AAAA guy for another AAAA guy - filling organizational depth needs.
uglyone - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 02:24 PM EDT (#299014) #
my #1 trade bait: A.Sanchez
jester00 - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 02:48 PM EDT (#299015) #
Agreed, I could see this.
ComebyDeanChance - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 03:14 PM EDT (#299016) #
my #1 trade bait: A.Sanchez

After you trade his best friend following one poor ST start, you'll probably want to tart thinking about your Marcus Stroman trade too.
bpoz - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 04:43 PM EDT (#299020) #
If trading A Sanchez, what would you want back? Would he be the biggest part of the package for a hot shot something? Joc Pederson of LAD.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 05:06 PM EDT (#299021) #
While I have concerns about Sanchez' ability to be a successful starter, I would not suggest that "trade bait" is the right approach.  Last year's successes persuaded me that he could be an excellent high leverage, high inning reliever, in the style of Wade Davis or Goose Gossage.  The organization seems to have a different idea about the best role for him.
Richard S.S. - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 05:35 PM EDT (#299022) #
I fully expect A.A. to be active in acquiring upgrades/upside for everywhere until the end of the 2015 season. I also expect the corresponding moves on the 40-Man Roster for adding Travis, Castro and Osuna to wait until the last possible minute as A.A. wants to minimize any chance of player loss.

You will never get full value for Aaron Sanchez unless he becomes a good Starting Pitcher. At present he is an excellent/dominant Reliever who can pitch anytime and has no fear. Hopefully, he'll become an effective Starter. Already he's made changes that Russell Martin suggested and although they don't show well yet, Keith Law noticed.
uglyone - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 05:55 PM EDT (#299023) #
well, I think that there are likely organizations out there that see Sanchez as a stud prospect with stud front of rotation potential (and our org might be one of them).

and since I don't think he's that (and actually see him as our 6th/7th best young pitching talent), then I think we'd be better off using him as the centerpiece of a package to get another stud impact player. I never mind trading the top prospects I feel are overrated (d'arnaud drabek wallace Marisnick are guys like that, even if TDA might still prove me wrong).

like say, cole hamels. though I'm not sure how much I like hamels specifically....but that's the general idea. especially since buehrle/dickey are off the books next year.

given our C situation, Pentacost would be an interesting piece to add too.

of course, there's always the scenario where I'm hilariously wrong.
Mike Green - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 06:01 PM EDT (#299024) #
I doubt that other organizations have a higher opinion of Sanchez than the Blue Jays do. 
bpoz - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 08:02 PM EDT (#299026) #
If trading A Sanchez, what would you want back? Would he be the biggest part of the package for a hot shot something? Joc Pederson of LAD.
bpoz - Thursday, April 02 2015 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#299027) #
Computers confuse me. Many other things too. So I double posted.


So, I want to toast Da Box. Cheers to a great 2015 !!!

So far, it has been an interesting off season. A couple of interesting acquisitions.

A very, very, very interesting ST. Because a half dozen rookies made the 25 man roster.

We are on a path, a trend of interesting. I expect it to continue. I cannot predict how.
John Northey - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 07:57 AM EDT (#299029) #
Seeing the two kids blowing it at the end of spring reminds me of 1984 when Bryan Clark had won a slot over Jimmy Key but fell apart in his last outting so the Jays took Key north instead and the rest is history.  186 wins for Key (116 as a Jay) while Clark would get 20 wins total just one as a Jay.  Worked out well.
Chuck - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 08:35 AM EDT (#299030) #
I doubt that other organizations have a higher opinion of Sanchez than the Blue Jays do.

I agree with this and agree even more generally. I think that teams (and their fan bases) tend to value their own prospects more than others do. And it makes sense. You have invested time and energy and have an emotional investment in your own guys.

I think it's much easier to be objective (again, for both management and fans) of another organization's prospects.

uglyone - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 09:05 AM EDT (#299031) #
its quite the indictment of our front office to say that they like our prospects more just because they're ours.

but given AAs trade record, I don't see why we'd say that anyways.
Richard S.S. - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 09:56 AM EDT (#299032) #
but given AAs trade record, I don't see why we'd say that anyways.

I must disagree. A.A. must ask how far away each Prospect is though to be. He must also ask how good they will be. Why do I say that? Look up the records of those he's traded and who he's kept. I won't do the work for anyone. It's an interesting exercise in itself. But just for a sample:

In 2010, the Big Three was drafted. Aaron Sanchez is a MLB Pitcher, whether as a Starter or a Reliever, he's here to stay. Dalton Pompey is a huge surprise from that Draft Year, but every Team has them. His defense, speed and on base abilities mean he does have to hit much to have a long term MLB career.

Of those no longer Blue Jays:
Deck McGuire: in AAA and terrible.
Noah Syndergaard: in AAA and struggling a bit.
Asher Wojciechowski: in AAA last two years, struggling a bit last year, notified April 1st he's made the Atros' 25-Man Roster.
Justin Nicolino: in AA and doing well.
Sam Dyson: is a Miami Marlin Reliever since 2014.
Sean Nolin: Is in AAA, but with Oakland's injuries might make the Team.

I don't know who else from 2010 is no longer with the Team, nor do I know who might yet make the Majors. I think A.A. has done very well in his Trades, and despite what others think, that should continue.
uglyone - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 10:20 AM EDT (#299033) #
I would say that that list shows other teams valued those prospects more than AA did.
Lylemcr - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 10:58 AM EDT (#299034) #
I was thinking this morning. We have 6 rookies in our roster

Given that the Jays in the recent years, have not had a lot of talent come out of our minor league system and stick, I am very excited. YEt... cautiously optimistic.

Maybe we finally are building some talent...

That being said, if the rookies flop, the season will probably be a flop and we will be looking for a new president, GM and coach next season. Again.

That being said, I haven't been so excited about a set of rookies since Halladay, Carpenter and Escobar.

One post that would be fun is prediction on how the rookies do and what our final rosters will be.
bpoz - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 01:49 PM EDT (#299035) #
I suppose by Tuesday the 7th the rosters should be announced.
Last year M Boyd, Taylor Cole and K Graveman started the year by dominating. That gives me reason to think that the Jays misjudged the level to start them at. But since Boyd & Cole struggled badly at the next level up, it shows that the Jays were right and I was not.

So this year...who knows. I am curious about J Hoffman. Is he healthy enough to play when the season starts and where? There are many more questions that will reveal their answers.
John Northey - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 03:28 PM EDT (#299036) #
6 rookies seems like a lot....
1985: Jays win 99 with Manuel Lee & Lou Thornton on the roster as rule 5 picks all year, also Ron Musselman in the pitching staff to start the season.  So 3 rookies for certain at the start.  If they were smarter they'd have had Tom Henke and Cecil Fielder there at the start too (far outperformed the vets in their slots once given a chance).  Ron Shepherd was put onto the roster in late April as well as the 4th outfielder.  Takes a bit to find 6 for that season.  Other key rookies in that big win season were Tom Filer, Steve Davis, John Cerutti, Stan Clarke, Jeff Hearron.  Fielder's 74 PA was the most any kid got that year, Musselman's 52 1/3 IP the most for any pitcher (Henke was only at 40).  Funny that a team run by Gillick and managed by Cox could have missed Henke for 1/2 a season and not played Fielder a lot more.

1993: last WS team: rookies * = on opening day roster: Randy Knorr, Willie Canate, Rob Butler, Shawn Green, Carlos Delgado, Woody Williams, Doug Linton, Scott Brow, Huck Flener.  Lots of rookies Williams getting the most playing time.  I thought Sprague was one too but was wrong.
Richard S.S. - Friday, April 03 2015 @ 08:28 PM EDT (#299040) #
Jeff Hoffman should be pitching for a Team by May according to A.A. Right now he's just getting his throwing in.
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