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Its your last minute, call to the bullpen, minor league update. Dunedin played a wild one last night. They started the ninth up 6-1. Florida scored six runs to take a 7-6 lead. Dunedin said we can top that, four straight singles in the bottom of the ninth gave them a walk off win. Buffalo had a nice start from Brett Anderson and a couple of long balls to win. New Hampshire also had a walk off win. Lansing continued to lose. What a contrast in Lansing. The first half had Bo and Vladdy and Brad Jones and Edward Olivares and decent pitching. Now the hitters are all in Dunedin and the pitchers were injured. From the penthouse to the outhouse in Lansing. Vancouver dominated thanks to two pitchers, Bluefield battered the opposition while the GCL Jays lost.

Brett Anderson had an excellent pitching line for Buffalo, 5.1 1 0 0 2 2. Excellent except for the strikeouts. He did have nine ground balls vs. 2 fly outs. Christian Lopes and Teoscar Hernandez each hit a home run and each had three RBI. Jason Leblebijian had two hits. His batting average is now .247. Remember all those calls for him to be promoted? Fun times.

New Hampshire won in 12 innings on the exciting walk off wild pitch. Sean Reid Foley allowed four hits and no runs through five, gave up a solo home run in the sixth and was pulled in the seventh after two singles started the inning. Andrew Case allowed both runners to score but overall it was a good start for SRF. New Hampshire had 15 hits with all the starters getting one or two. No home runs though.

As mentioned above Dunedin won in a walk off. Juan Kelly had three hits, Vladdy two and Bo one. Edward Olivares is starting to find his footing, he had two hits. Taylor Saucedo had a nice start.

Lansing lost, David Jacob had two hits.

Nate Pearson threw four innings this time, no hits, five K's. His season line is 17 IP, 4 H, 21 K's and no runs. Travis Bergen matched him with four shutout innings with five K's. Bergen gave up one hit. Vancouver did win, Norberto Obeso was 3-3.

Bluefield won a wild one 11-10. We won't talk about the pitching but the hitters had 16 hits. McGregory Contreras had three hits with a home run. Ryan Noda had two with a home run.

The GCL Jays lost 4-3. They had just six hits, Jol Concepcion started and pitched well.

Your three stars are Teoscar Hernendez, McGregory Contreras and the Nate Pearson/Travis Bergen combo.

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jerjapan - Friday, August 25 2017 @ 01:14 PM EDT (#347686) #
I think I was one of the leaders of the J-Leb promotion train.  Looks like the FO knew more than I did on that one - he's had a miserable second half.  Hopefully he makes adjustments and comes back strong for his second year in Buffalo - he's a great story of resilience. 

Anyone have thoughts on Travis Bergen?  25 IPs, 16 hits, 9 BBS and 34Ks is a nice line, but that's his career - 3 injury plagued seasons.  How about Jol Concepcion?  Pretty solid numbers for an 18 year old in the GCL for his first pro season.  The 15.4 BB% is ugly, but the kid is in his second level and at 6 ft. 5 may take time to find his control. 

I was trying not to get too hyped on Pearson given the SSS, but I'm officially drinking the kool-aid.  (is that a problematic expression?  I just realized it's a Jonestown reference)

He's off to a start as good as any of the guys picked in the top ten aside from maybe Gore and Lewis, although it's obviously hard to compare college and HS draftees in a variety of positions.  The Jays do seem pretty conservative with him, a lot of college picks from the 1st round are in high A or at least pitching more innings. 

bpoz - Friday, August 25 2017 @ 01:40 PM EDT (#347688) #
I love reading the logs for J Conception the July 21 & 28 games. 6IP, 13bba and 1 run scored, a HR.

He definitely walks too many. I am hoping that he has great stuff to go along with his size.

N Pearson is a JC of Central Florida pick. He is incredible. He may start in Dunedin next year.
Mike Green - Friday, August 25 2017 @ 02:33 PM EDT (#347693) #
Nate Pearson threw four innings this time, no hits, five K's. His season line is 17 IP, 4 H, 21 K's and no runs

Also, he has walked only two over the 17 innings.  In other words, total domination so far.  If he can work his way up to 5 or 6 innings in his last start (the NWL season ends August 30), it will be a perfect first pro season for a player who turned 21 on August 20.
hypobole - Friday, August 25 2017 @ 02:38 PM EDT (#347694) #
Jeff Sullivan chat today:

Of everyone with at least 50 PA at A+ in their age-18 season between 2006 and 2016, the best wRC+ is 117. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is currently at 174 in 173 plate appearances.

Jeff Sullivan: A teenager with power, and more walks than strikeouts. He's an absurdity
hypobole - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 06:01 AM EDT (#347713) #
Bo hit his 13th HR this season last night. Only 3 players in the Jays minor league system have hit more. One is Panas, with 2 HR's last night getting him to 16. Who are the other 2?
scottt - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 07:19 AM EDT (#347715) #
I still would have preferred to see Leblebijian when he was on fire, than Chris Coghlan.
Maybe he wouldn't have stayed hot, but that's a gamble I'd make.
Once Donaldson was back, he didn't matter.
aarne13 - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 09:49 AM EDT (#347724) #
Oliveras is one -drawing blank on second
hypobole - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 10:12 AM EDT (#347726) #
Yeah, Oliveras' 17 HR's leads the farm. The only other guy in our minors system, besides Panas and Oliveras, with more than Bo's 13 this year is Teoscar - 4 with Buffalo and 12 with Fresno.
jerjapan - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 06:43 PM EDT (#347756) #
Conor Panas is starting to make me think he might be more than just an org guy.  He was a senior signing from a lower profile university, and is old for his level - typical for the senior signings - but has improved dramatically from last year.  average K and BB rates along with a .195 ISO make me think the power may translate to higher levels.  He can play 1B and the OF corners - 10 assists this year.  He's not going to be a star, but perhaps a future bench bat.  Thoughts? 
Hodgie - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 07:00 PM EDT (#347758) #
Since A+ ball apparently isn't difficult enough, Vlad Jr has apparently decided to challenge himself to see if he can keep his wRC+ greater than his plate appearances. 2-0 Dunedin after the first, Bichette walk and SB followed by Vlad Jr's 5th dinger.
PeterG - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 08:58 PM EDT (#347762) #
Nate Pearson tops the list on BA's latest Prospect Hot Sheet.

Perhaps this might have been placed in the other thread as well.

1. Nate Pearson, RHP, Blue Jays (21)
Short-season Vancouver (Northwest)

Coming into this years draft out of the JC of Central Florida, Pearson was seen was one of the hardest-throwing pitchers in this years draft class. Hes lived up to every expectation so far. Kept on short pitch limits (a 60-pitch outing this week is his only outing with more than 50 pitches), Pearson has been unhittable. Hes working on a 10-inning hitless streak and the next run Pearson allows will be his first as a pro. Hes also hit triple digits on the radar gun while dominating.

Mike Green - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 09:13 PM EDT (#347763) #
Ryan Borucki had another stellar outing for the Fisher Cats tonight- 7 shutout innings with 2 hits, 0 walks, 3 HBP! and 7 Ks.
hypobole - Saturday, August 26 2017 @ 11:43 PM EDT (#347766) #
Fangraphs writers have been all over Danny Jansen lately. Danny leads off Dave Laurila's Sunday notes.
scottt - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 07:39 AM EDT (#347772) #
Ironically, the closed eyes seems to be mostly at fangraphs.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 08:38 PM EDT (#347798) #
Consideration set for the top 30 prospect list:

Buffalo- Jansen, C. Lopes, Smith Jr., Tellez, Hernandez, Rowley, C. Ramirez
New Hampshire- Alford, McGuire, Urena, Gurriel, T. Lopes, Harris, Greene, Reid-Foley, Pannone, Borucki
Dunedin- Pentecost, Bichette, Guerrero Jr., Olivares, D.J. Davis, Z. Jackson
Lansing- Palacios, Orozco, Maese, Y. Diaz
Vancouver- R. Adams, Taylor, Warmoth, Lundquist, Pruitt, Pearson
Bluefield- Gold, Y. Rodriguez, Noda, K. Smith, Contreras, Pondler
GCL- Danner, Schneider
Other- Pardinho

My top 15 would probably be:  Guerrero Jr., Bichette, Alford, Pearson, Jansen, Borucki, Pannone, Hernandez, McGuire, Taylor, Warmoth, Tellez, Urena, C. Ramirez and Pardinho.

It's a very good system now. 

Nigel - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 08:49 PM EDT (#347799) #
That's a really good list. I think you might have Urena and C. Ramirez one or two spots higher but that's pretty much my list as well. I think you could also make a case for Riley Adams around 15
Mike Green - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#347801) #
Thanks, Nigel. I forgot Zeuch for the consideration set. He wouldn't make my top 15.
jerjapan - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 09:34 PM EDT (#347802) #
What do you like about Lundquist Mike?  I agree with a lot of your candidates, but that name really surprised me.
Gerry - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 09:45 PM EDT (#347803) #
Maximo Castillo is another pitcher to add to the list from Bluefield. He has a better K rate and a lower walk rate than Pondler. He gives up more hits but I have heard the Jays staff like him as much as Pondler.
uglyone - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 10:01 PM EDT (#347804) #
you always do like the older pitchees more than me. you were right about graveman though. (was cole the other one at that time? i think so.)

but this is why I still like the likes of zeuch/maese better than borucki/pannone:

* = super tiny sample


Pannone (22-23): 28.2k%, 8.4bb%, 41.6gb%, 1.01era, 2.57fip, 3.32xfip
Borucki (22-23): 22.9k%, 7.5bb%, 49.6gb%, 5.41era, 4.12fip, 3.22xfip
Zeuch (21-21): 17.4k%, 6.5bb%, 60.6gb%, 3.62era, 3.62fip, 3.43xfip


Pannone (21-22): 24.5k%, 7.4bb%, 40.3gb%, 3.59era, 3.73fip, 3.18xfip
Borucki (22-22): 23.2k%, 5.6bb%, 49.7gb%, 2.41era, 2.54fip, 3.02xfip
Zeuch* (20-20): 35.9k%, 5.1bb%, 65.0gb%, 9.00era,
3.47fip, 2.30xfip
Maese (19-20): 19.0k%, 7.3bb%, 54.7gb%, 4.18era, 3.42fip, 3.58xfip


Borucki (20-21): 25.2k%, 5.4bb%, 52.5gb%, 2.22era, 3.01fip, 3.19xfip
Zeuch (20-20): 24.2k%, 5.5bb%, 69.8gb%, 3.52era, 3.07fip, 2.96xfip
Maese (19-19): 19.8k%, 1.0bb%, 66.7gb%, 2.05era, 2.86fip, 2.76xfip

basically maese and zeuch were as good or better, but younger and more age appropriate for their levels.

and while borucki has been good at AA so far the underlying numbers aren't dominant, and he's still old for the level.


Pannone (23-23): 23.6k%, 6.8bb%, 34.3gb%, 2.94era, 3.61fip, 3.59xfip
Borucki (23-23): 23.5k%, 4.5bb%, 55.9gb%, 1.94era, 2.76fip, 3.27xfip

these are good numbers, but for me not good enough to jump older prospects up that high in a good system.
Mike Green - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 10:08 PM EDT (#347805) #
Sure, Gerry.

As for Lundquist, he would probably be near the bottom among the consideration set. I haven't seen enough to know much and I am giving some credit for his draft order and his age. If someone feels Harold Ramirez is a better prospect, I wouldn't argue.
Nigel - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 10:10 PM EDT (#347806) #
Uglyone, I'm normally one for age being a key determinant. Borucki is an unusual case though due to his two arm surgeries. In my view it makes him a big risk on the injury front but I give him a year or two on the age front. I'm with Gerry, those are some good numbers. It will be interesting to see who skips Vancouver next year.
Nigel - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 10:14 PM EDT (#347807) #
Lundquist probably wouldn't be on my list. He has a broad range of offensive skills and is an above average defender in the corner OF. But he has a huge swing and miss factor in his game. If you combine that with his age, then he's a long shot. Keep an eye on him though as he might yet surprise.
Nigel - Sunday, August 27 2017 @ 10:29 PM EDT (#347808) #
Huge apologies. Three posts in a row probably deserves some form of public shaming. Anyway, Lundquist fits into that category of mid round college bat that you need to keep an eye on. One day you wake up
And you have Reed Johnson on your hands. Lundquist and Panas are probably the best current examples of this species. Panas has a harder hill to climb in that he won't offer any value on defence. Lundquist does, so keep a quarter of an eye on him.
Mike Green - Monday, August 28 2017 @ 09:43 AM EDT (#347818) #
My thinking about Zeuch.  His pattern this year gave me some concern about his health.  He threw one good inning in his first start, then a terrific 4 innings in his second start.  After that he was so-so over the next 6 weeks, and then went on the DL with an undisclosed injury from May 27 to August 1.  He had a couple of bad rehab outings in the Gulf Coast League, a bad outing in Dunedin on August 15 and hasn't pitched since.   He is now 22 years old.  Of course, he can recover from whatever is ailing him and become a good starting pitcher, but he's got to recover from the injury and pass the double A test.

Borucki has had the injury, but this year has thrown 144 innings and is still going strong, and is well on his way to passing the double A test with flying colours.  Pannone will probably be close to 140 innings this year, and has passed the double A test. 

Mike Green - Monday, August 28 2017 @ 09:51 AM EDT (#347820) #
By the way, Zeuch was born August 1, while Pannone was born April 28 and Borucki was born March 31. The yearly age divider is July 1, so the year-to-year age comparison is a bit deceptive. 
bpoz - Monday, August 28 2017 @ 10:30 AM EDT (#347821) #
Age is certainly a factor. I look at, if the DOB is before or after the season. So SRF Aug 30/95, Zeuch Aug1/95 and Greene Apr 4/95 are all turning 22 this year. But Zeuch and SRF will pitch all or most of this year as 21year olds.

Then there is pro experience and total IP. 494 IP Greene VS 92 Zeuch.

There are multiple factors involved, with no clear cut solutions IMO.
uglyone - Monday, August 28 2017 @ 11:11 AM EDT (#347826) #
good point on the birthdays, mike. I had forgotten that Zeuch was near the age cutoff.
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