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New thread is needed. And there's news! Reese McGuire has been arrested and Eric Pardinho needs Tommy John surgery.

Off to a roaring start, I must say.



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christaylor - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 01:20 PM EST (#385745) #
"McGuire was charged with “exposure of sexual organs” it seems the illicit action occurred inside a vehicle parked in a retail parking lot."

Where is Annie Savoy when you need her?
85bluejay - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 02:40 PM EST (#385747) #
Pardhino's surgery, Mcguire's arrest, Vladdy's weight - what a start to spring training! if this portends the coming season, we may wish that winter last forever.
Ducey - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 02:56 PM EST (#385748) #
Where is Annie Savoy when you need her? Maybe Reese was dreaming of her when he let his Nuke Laloosh
dan gordon - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 03:22 PM EST (#385749) #
When I first heard it on the radio, they said McGuire was arrested for exposing himself in a shopping mall, and I thought, oh man, he's done, but this is a whole different situation, as Mike Green said on the other thread. Inside an SUV? Was he fooling around with a willing companion or something like that? Hopefully it was something relatively minor of that nature.
greenfrog - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 03:45 PM EST (#385750) #
Sounds like a relatively trivial incident that should be diverted out of the criminal justice system.
Cracka - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 04:35 PM EST (#385751) #
I've read some more about the crime in question and a conviction generally requires proof of lewd intent... in other words, a purposeful act with an intended victim. It's a misdemeanor and usually, that means some sort of plea or dismissal deal will be discussed. If a victim is a minor, then it's much more serious (e.g. felony, offender registry, etc). His court date is March 16 and we may not hear much more until then.
dan gordon - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 05:06 PM EST (#385753) #
In addition to the legal question, there is also the Blue Jays' reaction to consider. Osuna wasn't convicted of a crime, but the Jays obviously discovered that he had done something bad and wanted no part of him. A lot depends on what facts the Blue Jays find and what their view is of the incident.
vw_fan17 - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 05:10 PM EST (#385754) #
One the surface - just based on what I've heard so far which isn't much - this *SEEMS* closer to the Auston Matthews incident than that Osuna incident.

What's up with Jr's weight?
uglyone - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 06:05 PM EST (#385757) #
Clearly the Jays' new sign calling system needs a rethink.
scottt - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 06:05 PM EST (#385758) #
McGuire keeps surprising.

The Austin Matthews incident involved will to offend and inebriation.
Not enough information to go on here.
Hopefully this just leads to a bad nickname and terrible taunting.



scottt - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 06:07 PM EST (#385759) #
The Dunedin renovations aren't quite completed, but the results sounds very good.


vw_fan17 - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 06:44 PM EST (#385760) #
The Austin Matthews incident involved will to offend and inebriation.

I didn't mean it's 100% the same. What I meant was that, after some lawyer involvement, and a settlement, it's been like 99.5% percent forgotten. Certainly, I don't see anyone consistently calling for him to get a lifetime suspension from the NHL anytime his name is mentioned, unlike Osuna.

At first glance, McGuire's eventual outcome seems like it'll be along those same lines (as for Matthews), not like Osuna.
Gerry - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 07:14 PM EST (#385761) #
The police report is out. It seems like McGuire was spending some quality time with himself and a NSFW video on his phone in a fairly busy strip mall parking lot.

FWIW, he was extremely apologetic when arrested (good Canadian?).
John Northey - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 07:16 PM EST (#385762) #
If McGuire's offense is just being offensive in semi-private but not really then I suspect he'll get a 'boys will be boys' punishment - hours of community service, a donation to some charity, and some really NSFW nicknames.  Hopefully that is the case, although it doesn't take much imagination to see ways this could be a lot worse than we know at this point.
dalimon5 - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 07:37 PM EST (#385763) #
Basically if the content he was engaging with was typical, this will blow by quickly. If it's illegal content then this will be the end of his career.
scottt - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 07:48 PM EST (#385764) #
Managers will now have up to 20 seconds to challenge a play instead of 30.

They should have capped how long it takes to render judgment instead.
Usually, when it takes too long it's usually wrong.

This is the reason each team has a video room.

In my humble opinion, they should try to make things more predictable so managers don't challenge for nothing.
The video review umps are way too random.

ayjackson - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 08:30 PM EST (#385765) #
Masturbating while watching porn in an SUV in a mall parking lot does not seem like "boys will be boys" to me and he will lkely never live it down.
uglyone - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 08:42 PM EST (#385766) #
Who amongst us....
Gerry - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 09:12 PM EST (#385767) #
Back to less personal issues, Breyvic Valera has been claimed by the Padres.
scottt - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 09:22 PM EST (#385768) #
The 60 IL is now open and the Padres had a spot.

Still a long shot for him to make the team, I think. 
bpoz - Wednesday, February 12 2020 @ 09:42 PM EST (#385769) #
A lot of resentment towards the Astros.
Super Bluto - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 03:38 AM EST (#385771) #
I guess McGuire's pumped for the season.
scottt - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 07:18 AM EST (#385772) #
So there were multiple complaint to the league before Fiers went public and the league did nothing.
That's a big stain on Manfred.

rpriske - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 09:40 AM EST (#385773) #
I read "This is the reason each team has a video room." in context with the Reese discussion and...
bpoz - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 10:51 AM EST (#385774) #
J Smoltz had a lot of interesting things to say about the 3 batter rule.
Mike Green - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 11:03 AM EST (#385775) #
The Pirates have signed Jarrod Dyson on a 1 year $2 million contract.  I wish that the Blue Jays had signed him at that price, or at $3 million, or at $4 million. 
Mike Green - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 11:12 AM EST (#385776) #
The Blue Jays ZiPS projections are out.  They are not friendly to the Blue Jay position players (save for Travis Shaw), but are friendly to the pitchers.  If the Blue Jays get  only 12 WAR from VGJ, Bichette,Biggio, Gurriel Jr., Jansen and McGuire, it will be a long season.  I think the figures are low, but not unreasonable.  They have VGJ at -5 on defence, and he could easily be a lot worse than that. 
ISLAND BOY - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 11:24 AM EST (#385777) #
Blue Jay pitcher looking in at Reese McGuire from the mound during spring training game:

" Hmmm, does he want a curveball or is he just playing with himself?"
bpoz - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 11:32 AM EST (#385778) #
Hahaha ISLAND BOY.
Mike Green - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 11:33 AM EST (#385779) #
FWIW, McGuire's reaction to the situation was perfectly reasonable.  It would be nice if fans would give him a break.  This isn't a domestic violence/steroid/sign-stealing scandal.
85bluejay - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 11:38 AM EST (#385780) #
Ahmen! What McGuire did was embarrassing but harmless - I absolutely hope fans give him a break - can't believe I've read comments elsewhere of fans wanting the jays to get rid of him - I guess still a puritanical society.
85bluejay - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 12:00 PM EST (#385781) #
Seeing the pictures of Vlad at spring training is very disappointing, while he has lost a few pounds he's nowhere near the physique I was hoping and I'm expecting his defence to remain abysmal and for Vlad to run out of gas again in the later months - it's too bad about Groshans injuries, else he may have been able to start 2020 in AA and one could dream about him taking over 3B early in 2021 - I do hope if he preforms well and is healthy this year that the Jays are aggressive in promoting Groshans - the sooner Vlad vacates 3B the better.
SK in NJ - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 12:03 PM EST (#385782) #
Unless McGuire is found guilty of wrongdoing (I'm not familiar with the laws there), then he's more likely to be perpetually ridiculed by fans/teammates than he is disciplined by the team or MLB. Still a stupid thing to do regardless.
Magpie - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 12:18 PM EST (#385783) #
Does anyone remember Dave Stewart getting busted with a prostitute who turned out to be a transvestite? No one cared, although it definitely helps when you then start winning 20 games every season.
Glevin - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 12:30 PM EST (#385784) #
"Does anyone remember Dave Stewart getting busted with a prostitute who turned out to be a transvestite? No one cared, although it definitely helps when you then start winning 20 games every season."

David Cone's bullpen antics didn't seem to hold him back either.
Glevin - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 12:39 PM EST (#385785) #
I was fine with the Astros punishment originally, but it's pretty clear that more needs to be done. Their lack of contrition across the board and the seeming cover-up of the extent of it by baseball mean that more needs to be done. Were buzzers used? Multiple people have not denied it. Why were no players suspended in a player-driven scheme? Because Manfred didn't want to have to fight the union on it? Players are mad as well they should be.

Very happy with the Jays system. Pardinho with TJ is not good but this will always happen with pitchers which is why you need them in bulk. Fangraphs has Jays with 4 top-90 prospects which is amazing a year after graduating Vlad, Bo, and Biggio. I fully expect to see a few new players in the top-100 next year as well (Guys like Kirk, Moreno, #1 pick this year, Manoah, etc...)
hypobole - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 12:42 PM EST (#385786) #
The two somewhat similar were Paul Reubens AKA Pee Wee Herman and Eddie Griffen.
Reubens was in an adult movie theatre, not quite as out in the open as McGuire. His show was supposedly ending anyway, but the planned syndication was cancelled by the network.
Griffin was also intoxicated (he had severe substance abuse problems) and driving when he hit a car. His NBA career ended that offseason and a few months later, again highly intoxicated, the car he was driving slammed into the side of a moving train and Griffin died.
bpoz - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 01:09 PM EST (#385787) #
J Dyson brings speed (30 SB) and defense but no power. I don't know how/if the SB, running game wins in today's power game. Ricky Henderson was a distraction to the pitcher & catcher. That could hurt more with the 3 batter limit.
uglyone - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 01:21 PM EST (#385788) #
unbelievable the Astros would stage this kind of press availability seemingly designed to make everything worse.

what a disaster.
ayjackson - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 01:23 PM EST (#385789) #
I guess the Jays should take a page from the 90's Cowboys and get a house across the street from the Dunedin facility so that these young men can stay well-oiled.

Glevin - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 01:50 PM EST (#385790) #
"unbelievable the Astros would stage this kind of press availability seemingly designed to make everything worse.
what a disaster."


It was shocking. The worst line was "“Our opinion is this didn’t impact the game"...so then why did you cheat??? Although maybe this was worse...

"Our players should not be punished. … These are a great group of guys who did not receive proper guidance from their leaders.”
Thomas - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 01:58 PM EST (#385791) #
The Reese McGuire incident would, and should, be assessed quite differently if there is evidence that he was seeking to expose himself to others or was otherwise engaged in this behaviour with the specific intent of being seen by others.

Based on what has come to light so far, it seems as if he was doing it in private, but in a vehicle that was in a public areas where he was nevertheless observed by a stranger, and then he was genuinely remorseful upon arrest.

To me, it seems appropriate to be dealt with through a fine and otherwise diverted out of the criminal justice system. As Mike Green and others have noted, this is worlds apart from anything Osuna did.
ayjackson - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 02:03 PM EST (#385792) #
From a results perspective, the Reese Incident should be treated differently, as a victimless crime.

But it shows an incredible lack of judgement and self-control. I also wonder what an expert in sex-crimes would say about this type of behavior.
hypobole - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 02:59 PM EST (#385793) #
"It was shocking."

Not to me. People like Crane who engage in unethical behaviour are only "remorseful" between the time they get caught and the time they are punished, in the hopes of mitigating the punishment. Crane already received his punishment, so to him, what advantage is there in acting remorseful?

GabrielSyme - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 03:35 PM EST (#385794) #
The ZiPS projections for the pitchers look significantly better than what Steamer had been projecting:

Steamer/ZiPS
Ryu: 4.28/3.77
Roark: 5.16/4.43
Shoemaker: 5.04/4.46
Anderson: 5.48/4.73
Borucki: 5.05/5.23
Thornton: 4.64/5.05
Kay: 5.42/5.27
Pearson: 4.99/4.07

That's more than a .5 run difference for our top 5 starters. I'm not sure if some of that is attributable to ZiPS assuming a lower run environment than Steamer, but even if that's a part of it, the rotation looks a lot better in ZiPS.

Yamaguchi doesn't have a Steamer projection, but has a respectable ZiPS projected ERA of 4.69

Rafael Dolis is projected to be our second-best reliever by a fair margin (3.81 ERA).
John Northey - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 05:24 PM EST (#385795) #
scottt - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 05:29 PM EST (#385796) #
Totally OK with seeing Pillar in the RC.
He's probably just platooning against lefties unless they trade Bradley.
With Betts, they never really used a 4th outfielder much.

scottt - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 05:37 PM EST (#385797) #
Projection numbers for young pitchers are always iffy.

Not sure about projections based on Japanese data.

Dolis still throws hard and seems to have figured out how to throw strikes.
From what I heard the Japanese balls are a bit harder and a bit smaller.
The parks are also on the small side.
Both pitchers throw splitters and the grip on the bigger ball might cause some issues.
I'm still quite hopeful.

Not a lot of love for Bass who has done quite well the last  2 years, juiced ball and all.

No love at all for Gurriel. It's probably due to the lack of walks.
ZIPS think Fisher is twice as good.


Thomas - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 06:48 PM EST (#385798) #
There's one reader comment on the Blue Jays ZIPS thread that made me laugh.
dan gordon - Thursday, February 13 2020 @ 07:56 PM EST (#385799) #
The ZIPS ranking of Gurriel is totally absurd. They have the following players each producing more WAR than Gurriel this year - Fisher, Tellez, Valera, Panik, Kivlehan, Kirk, and Burns, with McKinney equal, and Adams and Davis just 0.1 behind him. Gurriel might produce more WAR than all of those players combined.

Unfortunately for McGuire, this incident might be what he is remembered for the rest of his career. Pretty embarrassing, but I don't think it will affect his status with the team.
scottt - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 06:41 AM EST (#385801) #
Nobody will care as long as maintains his prowess with the bat.
Gerry - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 09:26 AM EST (#385802) #
Ryan Borucki is shut down with elbow tightness.
Mike Green - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 09:47 AM EST (#385803) #
That's too bad for Borucki. 

One thing the Jays have in 2020 is plenty of pitching depth.  The phone line for Edwin Jackson is no longer in service. 
Shoeless Joe - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 10:02 AM EST (#385804) #
You always anticipate a few set-backs in spring, but when they happen it always hurts a little. I think the chances are Borucki getting past his injury troubles are not great.
Mike Green - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 10:12 AM EST (#385805) #
Borucki's elbow MR scan was apparently innocuous. 
SK in NJ - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 10:15 AM EST (#385806) #
Apparently, Atkins has said the current plan is for Grichuk to start the season as the CF. He is clearly the best CF option on the roster so that would make a lot of sense. If the Jays plan to carry both Fisher and Alford on the 26 man roster, then starting Tellez in AAA, splitting OF/DH between Gurriel/Grichuk/Fisher/Hernandez, and having Alford as the 4th OF would make the most sense based on the current roster construction. That would put a lot of pressure on Fisher's bat, but the FO seems to be really high on him, so he will be getting a real chance regardless.

Tough luck for Borucki.
Mike Green - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 10:40 AM EST (#385807) #
Grichuk is indee the best CF option.  The ZiPS defensive ratings make my head shake a bit: Grichuk -7,  Teoscar 0, Gurrilel Jr. 0, Fisher 2, J. Davis 6, Alford 1. 

ZiPS does like Fisher as a decent platoon player, and that seems reasonable.  Gurriel Jr., Grichuk and Fisher/Teoscar is my bet for the OF.  If they find a way to move Shaw to third base, Tellez to first and Guerrero Jr. to DH at some point in the season, the team defence should be all right. 
Gerry - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 11:47 AM EST (#385808) #
John Lott over at the Athletic has an interesting story on Eric Pardinho. Pardinho did have elbow issues in early 2019 but returned to pitching in Lansing in the second half of last season. He was shut down early, not with elbow soreness, but with back and oblique soreness. The medical staff believed the back and oblique issues were because Pardinho was throwing differently, probably to save his elbow.

After an off-season where he worked on his core and trunk, his elbow hurt in January when he began to get ready for the season and that lead to the TJ surgery.
vw_fan17 - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 12:15 PM EST (#385809) #
It's too bad that Fischer has reverse splits for his career. I know, SSS - 300 PA vs. RHP, 100 PA vs. LHP.. But, still, it would appear that the anti-LOOGY rule isn't going to help him.. In fact, it REDUCES his utility - he doesn't really work well as a pinch-hitter against a RHP - lifetime OPS ~600, vs 775 vs. LHP.

With the new anti-LOOGY rule(s), I would imagine old-fashioned platooning would actually be a bit more attractive again.. Fischer just isn't the player for it - unless you use him AGAINST LHP and get another lefty bat who is killer against RHP.
bpoz - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 12:18 PM EST (#385810) #
We will have to see how Borucki progresses.I read earlier that he was going to ask Ryu about how to throw/grip a pitch he wants to develop.I think a cutter.
ISLAND BOY - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 12:26 PM EST (#385811) #
" The phone line for Edwin Jackson is no longer in service."

I was going to be glib and say nobody was calling him but apparently Arizona, for some reason, invited him to spring training.
John Northey - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 01:31 PM EST (#385812) #
Dang, was hoping Jackson would end up with a team he hasn't already played for - he is up to 14 teams but he did spend 1 partial year in Arizona already (21 starts, 82 ERA+ in 2010, a decade ago).  Traded to the White Sox mid-season for David Holmberg and Daniel Hudson (yes, the one who played in Toronto last year, Holmberg has been retired since 2018).  The Jays got him in 2011 for Jason Frasor (retired since the end of 2015) and Zach Stewart (last in majors in 2012, was in the Jays minors in 2018).   The Jays in 2011 traded him away with others for Trever Miller, Colby Rasmus, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters all retired now.  He didn't play here in 2011 as the trades were both on the same day (thus really a 3 team trade).  Those 2011 trades were the last time he was traded for something other than cash.  Amazing how he can keep getting released (4 times now) and someone picks him up.  8 times 'granted free agency' and each time someone signed him to give him another shot (independent of the releases).  So 12 times he has been available to all teams and 12 times someone thought 'yeah, we can make this work'.  All this for a guy with 6 seasons where his ERA+ was 100 or better out of 17 seasons in the majors and last threw 100 innings in 2014 despite 4 times getting 10+ starts in a season since then.  Despite a 6.9 K/9 rate and a 3.6 BB/9 rate.  One has to think he has pictures of GM's doing stuff they really shouldn't or something at this point.
Mike Green - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 02:15 PM EST (#385813) #
They have Guerrero Jr. out in RF shagging fly balls today.  He was an outfielder before he was signed.
85bluejay - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 02:34 PM EST (#385814) #
Over the offseason I've heard Atkins muse about biggio in CF, Hernandez at 2B etc. and moving struggling 3B to RF is not unheard of - maybe the Jays are taking this positional flexibility to the extreme - trying to imitate the Dodgers.
Mike Green - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 02:44 PM EST (#385815) #
A step forward on minor league wages.  It's a start.
Gerry - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 03:27 PM EST (#385816) #
Mike, it will be a start in 2021 when it takes effect.
Cracka - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 03:37 PM EST (#385817) #
A move to the outfield would significantly decrease Vlady's defensive involvement. Last season across MLB, third basemen had 2.7 defensive chances per game; while RF had 2.0 and LF had 1.8. Obviously, these numbers don't tell the entire story, but I think you could count on 100+ less defensive plays over the season if Vlady was in LF/RF instead of at 3B.
Marlow - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 04:02 PM EST (#385818) #
Do you think he is mobile enough to handle the outfield, at least better than Adam Lind?

That said, it is more likely to try to add to the positional flexibility for the team, just in case they need him to play there in a pinch.
bpoz - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 04:48 PM EST (#385820) #
All our outfielders have speed so they should use that to back up their partners in the outfield. So when an easy to catch ball is hit to T Hernandez or Fisher then the guy next to him should run over and be prepared to pick up the ball and throw it back in if it is not caught.

They will need to know how many outs have been made in the inning. If the hitter expects it to be caught and is just jogging towards 1st so that he does not look bad then he should hopefully not get to 2nd base. So slackers will be on 1st and non slackers probably on 2nd. 0, 1 or 2 outs will also play a part in the scoring.

Hernandez's bat has to make up for all the easy catches that he does not make. It won't matter if the man on by error does not score. A strong/deep pitching staff can handle the extra outs they will have to make. If Fisher cannot hit or catch the ball we can DFA him and hope he stays with us. Then he can learn hitting and catching in the minors.

Shoeless Joe - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 06:30 PM EST (#385821) #
Atkins revealed that Grichuk will be the primary CF at the start of the the season. He was always the most obvious candidate as much as I imagined other options.
BlueMonday - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 08:04 PM EST (#385822) #
A step forward on minor league wages. It's a start.

" Major League Baseball is raising the minimum salary for minor league players in 2021 ...between 38% and 72%"

The Jays raised their minor league salaries ~ 50% in March 2019. They got a good jump on the competition. Has this improved the Jays system?
uglyone - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 08:22 PM EST (#385823) #
John Northey - Friday, February 14 2020 @ 08:47 PM EST (#385824) #
Nice to see what it takes to get on the front page of the Toronto Tabloid.  I have a few nice editions from the 80's and 90's - when the Jays clinched the east in 85, 89, and won it all in 92/93 and the Carter/Alomar for Fernandez/McGriff trade.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, February 15 2020 @ 07:19 AM EST (#385825) #
I wonder if the proposed raise in minor league salaries coincides with the planned reduction of minor league teams. This would help MLB teams keep their large profits while slightly raising the meager salaries of their lowest ranked minions that still have a place to play.
scottt - Saturday, February 15 2020 @ 08:12 AM EST (#385826) #
The difference doesn't even adds up to a million here.

Yamaguchi wants to start and his springs performance could make it happen.

If Borucki has to got to the 60IL, that allows them to promote one of the guys on minor league contract without losing anyone else. That's the silver lining.

Guerrero to right field might be one way to put more offense in NL parks.

bpoz - Saturday, February 15 2020 @ 11:57 AM EST (#385827) #
R McGuire's situation:

As society changes the law may not keep up. Definitely peoples perceptions vary.

McGuire's action was poor judgement regarding public location. Some people consider breast feeding in public offensive. Maybe peeing discretely in the woods or on the highway is also offensive.

So everyone probably has their own opinion about the above actions. McGuire's action seems to be illegal even if he was trying to be private rather than seeking an audience. I don't know the details.

However I have a negative opinion of anyone that filmed any of the above actions. Is that filming a crime? Everyone has a cell phone. Is that accepted courtroom evidence?
scottt - Saturday, February 15 2020 @ 02:01 PM EST (#385828) #
Alex Vertugo has a stress fracture in his lower back, so Pillar is probably a Red Sox regular in April.
raptorsaddict - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 12:10 AM EST (#385829) #
Honest question, as I’ve been sick as a dog for a week: is Vlad still out of shape?
hypobole - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 01:04 AM EST (#385830) #
Tony Fernandez has passed away at age 57. I'm feeling awful - he was one of my all time favourites.
lexomatic - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 07:33 AM EST (#385832) #
Re Verdugo. I wonder what happens with that trade now?
lexomatic - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 07:35 AM EST (#385834) #
Apparently nothing,  Sox were aware of the issue?
85bluejay - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 08:24 AM EST (#385837) #
There are some photos from spring training on the net so you can judge for yourself - Vlad has lost a few pounds but I wouldn't say he's in shape - still looks overweight and that DH might be his best position.
krose - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 10:20 AM EST (#385840) #
Too late for a Pache trade? Atlanta needs a 3B, No?
Parker - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 10:50 AM EST (#385842) #
Geez. Vlad looks to be in worse shape now than he did in November last year for that workout video extravaganza.
clark - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 05:36 PM EST (#385850) #
I was looking at the list of unsigned free agents. Among those looking for work are Clay Buccholz, Clayton Richard, and Aaron Sanchez. A grim reminder of the unpleasantness in last year’s rotation.

A name that jumped off the page as a potential contributor was Collin McHugh. If he could be convinced (with lots of money) to accept a bullpen role he could provide a major upgrade in what looks to me to be a group that is alarmingly thin on talent and experience. Tony Cingrani was another player who could possibly Help. I’d also be interested to see if Andrew Cashner could follow an Ian Kennedy trajectory if moved to the pen.

I felt a pang seeing old friends Marco Estrada and Devon Travis on that list. Two quality contributors and individuals.
dan gordon - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 08:32 PM EST (#385854) #
I think McHugh would be a really good addition. If he insists on a starting role, you could even put Yamaguchi and Thornton in the bullpen until somebody gets hurt, and strengthen the pen that way, but then you're getting to the point where there is no room for the development of the young guys for the rotation. McHugh may be interested in a one year deal as a starter to re-establish himself in that role after mainly pitching in relief the last 2 seasons. Of course, he'll be 33 in June, and may not have many effective years left. He's in a bit of a tough position due to the relief role for 2 years and his age.
John Northey - Sunday, February 16 2020 @ 11:56 PM EST (#385855) #
To think many were worried about losing Sanchez just a year ago.  Now he could probably be had on a minor league contract.  The last thing in MLB Trade Rumors about him was the Astros non-tendering him back in December, then his missing the start of 2020 (known in September) - Aaron Sanchez To Miss Start Of 2020 Season.  From the sounds of it odds are he'll miss all of 2020.  The only way anyone would sign him is with an 2021 team option, and maybe a 2022 one as well at a low price.  Hard to believe it was just in 2016 he won an ERA title at 23 over 192 IP thus was seen as a key part of the Jays future.  Since then just 272 1/3 IP with an ERA+ of 84.  Ugh.  He will be in his age 28 season when he finally returns in 2021, so he could still have a decent career, but odds are he'll never be the top flight pitcher we all dreamed of at one time.

Buchholtz has even less said - nothing since September 12th.  He said he isn't willing to pitch in the minors, so a ML deal or nothing.  I suspect nothing is exactly what he'll get.

Other ex-Jays who are still free agents and the most recent article on MLB Trade Rumors....If the article is really old then odds are no one has any interest beyond maybe a minor league contract.  Maybe.
Always interesting going over free agent lists at this point.  Seeing guys who were once untouchable in trades now begging for scraps (Matt Harvey), former all-stars who no one wants anymore (Hanley Ramirez), guys who should have a contract you'd think but have extra negatives (Yasiel Puig), and guys who once were fun to watch but are probably at the end (Mark Reynolds - 47 OPS+ last year, ugh, just 73 K's from 2000 too, dang it, Reggie Jackson's 2597 is still pretty safe).
Glevin - Monday, February 17 2020 @ 10:08 AM EST (#385862) #
4 Jays in ZIPS top-100

22 Pearson
26 SWR
47 Groshans
91 Orelvis

hypobole - Monday, February 17 2020 @ 10:13 AM EST (#385863) #
Same 4 Jays on the ZIPS top 100 as on the FG top 100. Biggest difference in the rankings SWR 50 spots higher by ZIPS.
uglyone - Monday, February 17 2020 @ 11:20 AM EST (#385867) #
yup, that's how good SWR's numbers are, even accounting for not reaching AA yet.
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