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The Jays have released their 60 (58) man roster for Summer Training. 30 will make the big team, 30 will be playing with each other for the season. Hmm...gotta find a better way of saying that.

Via the Blue Jays website...
  • Starting Pitchers: Chase Anderson, Ryan Borucki, Thomas Hatch, Anthony Kay, Elvis Luciano, Alek Manoah, Julian Merryweather, Patrick Murphy, Joey Murray, Nate Pearson, Hector Perez, Sean Reid-Foley, Tanner Roark, Hyun-Jin Ryu, Matt Shoemaker, Trent Thornton, Jacob Waguespack, Simeon Woods Richardson, T.J. Zeuch
  • Relief Pitchers: Anthony Bass, Travis Bergen, A.J. Cole, Rafael Dolis, Wilmer Font, Sam Gaviglio, Ken Giles, Justin Miller, Brian Moran, Thomas Pannone, Jake Petricka, Jordan Romano, Ty Tice, Shun Yamaguchi
  • Infielders: Bo Bichette, Cavan Biggio, Andy Burns, Brandon Drury, Santiago Espinal, Jordan Groshans, Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Joe Panik, Travis Shaw, Kevin Smith, Rubén Tejada, Rowdy Tellez
  • Outfielders: Anthony Alford, Jonathan Davis, Derek Fisher, Randal Grichuk, Lourdes Gurriel Jr., Teoscar Hernández, Billy McKinney, Forrest Wall
  • Catchers:: Riley Adams, Danny Jansen, Caleb Joseph, Reese McGuire, Alejandro Kirk
Lots of the obvious there, plus many prospects. Anyone missing who you all think should be there? Anyone there who surprises and if so why? FYI: you can only trade guys on the 60 man roster, only these guys will get playing time of any kind this year too.
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Mike Green - Sunday, June 28 2020 @ 07:29 PM EDT (#387736) #
Shi Davidi reported on twitter that they will be traveling to Toronto from Dunedin on Wednesday.   I will be opposing this with all I can muster- if the feds have decided to let them come in, it will be the latest in a long line of mistakes in handling COVID-19.  This time, it's the people of Toronto who will pay and that makes it very personal.
scottt - Sunday, June 28 2020 @ 07:35 PM EDT (#387737) #
They should be able to isolate just fine, especially if it's only during spring break. For now.

Maybe that gives them enough time to prep Buffalo for the irregular season?

You got all the top prospects in Toronto and no mean to see them.
That kinda sucks.

John Northey - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 12:59 AM EDT (#387738) #
The Toronto Sun is reporting that the Jays will play in Toronto and the 58 players and all staff are preparing to fly up here in a few days. Guess the government is very weak on rules. Sigh. Lets hope they keep the players locked up at Rogers Centre and also all the visiting players too. With the hotel in theory it shouldn't be hard. However, these are rich people who often feel very entitled to everything in life so being locked up with a big city right there might be too much to expect. Sigh.
Eephus - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 06:33 AM EDT (#387739) #
My enthusiasm for this "season" was minimal to begin with, as much as I miss the sights and sounds of the great summer game.

Now... well I simply don't have enough passion left to argue why bringing the Blue Jays up to Toronto now, or even why playing this season at all, is a foolish endeavour at best. At worst... I think we're already seeing what that can look like. The whole enterprise speaks rather obviously of a league, and the executives running such a league, clearly valuing certain motives and revenue trends much much more than putting thousands of employees in potential danger, or potential breaches of public health where their teams operate. 

Most of you can debate and argue these points much better than I can anyway, so I'll stop. Besides, this entire charade has clearly soured me against something I once enjoyed and loved without regret. Even if this madcap laugh works, I don't know when, or if, that good feeling for me is coming back.
greenfrog - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 07:54 AM EDT (#387741) #
The phrase "bread and circuses" comes to mind.
scottt - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 09:58 AM EDT (#387742) #
The part that I don't like is that some states like Texas will allows butts in the seats.
Boston and NY will probably be smarter than that and there's nobody at the Rays and Orioles home games in normal times, so we're probably fine. Still sucks if some delinquent teams have more revenues to spend in the winter because of that.

Glevin - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 10:21 AM EDT (#387743) #
The Jays are actually in relatively good shape in that there is an actual hotel in the stadium so players don't ever have to leave and can quarantine without leaving the stadium. I do think the season should just be cancelled with how poorly things were/are handled in the US though.
grjas - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 01:44 PM EDT (#387744) #
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Trump government put pressure on ours to make this happen. Trump could well be worried about the optics of American players being locked out of Canada. Who knows. Sets a precedence for other leagues as well. Hope we find a way to corral all the young “freedom” loving monied players.
Cracka - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 02:41 PM EDT (#387745) #
It's your last point that is most worrying to me - many of these players have been living/staying in Florida & Arizona. In addition to the high infection rates, they are in a different world in terms of societal attitudes and overall trust of "officials". I just don't believe that all players will quarantine all the time while in Canada and I don't believe MLB or teams will be invested enough to prevent it. It's possible to turn the 'Dome & hotel into a secure facility - a nice prison basically - but what happens if someone "escapes"? Would MLB really suspend Gerrit Cole if he got caught sneaking out for sushi?
scottt - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 02:46 PM EDT (#387746) #
For the moment, it's only the Jays, so no Gerrit Cole.

Could a famous baseball player wander through Toronto and not get seen by anyone?
Hopefully the families don't travel and the players don't have time to wander around.
There's not going to be a lot of off-days.

The NHL is a bigger problem.

85bluejay - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 02:55 PM EDT (#387747) #
I don't have confidence/trust in league officials - It would not surprise me if guys who develops symptoms of covid-19 suddenly appear on the injured list instead of full disclosure and the resulting consequences - I believe it will be finish the season at all cost mentality (owners and their family safely ensconced at home) and the sports media will look the other way at least until after the season is over.
tercet - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 03:08 PM EDT (#387748) #
Trades in 2020 can only include players on the 60man rosters. So that cuts alot of the possible return for Giles, and makes it seem like we will hold onto him all year. Which makes the inevitable Giles non trade even worse then the Donaldson trade debacle of 2017, which could quite possibly be the worst trade of 2010s in baseball. How does Ross Atkins still have a job?
AWeb - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 03:16 PM EDT (#387749) #
I feel like I should preface all comments with "if the season actually happens and finishes", but since the Jays' playoff chances are hugely increased by the short season, Giles might as well stick around. Somehow blaming ATkins for not anticipating a pandemic and teh atrocious American response to it is a bit much. Last season, Giles was injured right before the trade deadline. Turned out to be OK, but you aren't getting a return for Giles if he's injured, and now for a 60 game season? Of course not. Heavens forbid a team be slightly better this year than maybe slightly better in 4 years.
tercet - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 03:29 PM EDT (#387750) #
The Jays had no chance of competing in 2018, 19 or even 20 before the 20 Corona shortened season. Holding onto Ken Giles in any of those seasons made no sense. It is the exact same thing that happened with Josh Donaldson, the team had no chance of competing in 17 or 18, they held onto him too long and got a 27 year old AAA pitcher. You would think this FO would have learned their lesson from the Donaldson debacle and trade star players when your team has no chance of competing?
Glevin - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 03:37 PM EDT (#387751) #
"The Jays had no chance of competing in 2018, 19 or even 20 before the 20 Corona shortened season. Holding onto Ken Giles in any of those seasons made no sense."

The Jays clearly wanted to trade Giles last season but he was hurt around the deadline so they couldn't. They traded for Giles in 2018 and his value wasn't particularly high so wanted him to rebuild value and he did. With Donaldson, the Jays had a particular time they should have traded him and would still have received a very good return (off-season 2018) so there is some legitimate criticism there even if they were also very unlucky (Donaldson got hot in 2017 only after deadline and had worst season of career and was constantly hurt in 2018). With Giles, the criticism simply doesn't make sense.
SK in NJ - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 04:35 PM EDT (#387752) #
Report from last year said that Giles was practically traded at the 2019 deadline to the Yankees for 3 prospects. The deal fell apart because the Yankees balked at the last moment, which didn't leave Atkins enough time to circle back to other teams. The fact that Giles was also injured at the time was an issue. When the Jays traded for Giles, he was coming off a down half season. The Jays helped rebuild his value but unfortunately he got hurt at the wrong time. I wouldn't put this in the same category as Donaldson, who the Jays held on to for too long due to optics and a pipe dream (the 2nd Wild Card) rather than baseball reasons. I'd put Giles in the same category as Stroman; coming off a down 2018 and using 2019 to rebuild value. It worked with Stroman, and while it worked performance-wise with Giles, it failed in trade execution.

At this point, I think it's more likely the Jays bring Giles back in 2021 than it is that he's traded. I don't think owners have any intention of spending money this winter, which probably helps the Jays in terms of getting him back on a reasonable deal for the team.
85bluejay - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#387753) #
I said the Jays should make trading Giles a priority of the offseason - You can't blame the FO for Giles injury last July but they definitely should have traded him before spring training as I mentioned holding on to assets with diminishing value is very risky because things happen - poor season,injuries and pandemics etc. - The Red Sox moved Betts which is looking very smart right now.
scottt - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 04:38 PM EDT (#387754) #
He would have  been gone this winter had any team offered anything of value.
The trade value isn't there. Health issues. Mental issues.
If he's any good, the Jays should resign him.

Still, we shouldn't presume anything about the trade deadline.
Any competing team would have put some would be trade chip on their list, no?
The Orioles have only put 44 players on their 60 list. The Red Sox, 47.

Mylegacy - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 05:42 PM EDT (#387755) #
I've seen several posts mentioning the hotel at the Rogers Centre. I've stayed there. It is now called the Toronto Marriott City Centre Hotel.

As I see things... there will be 30 home games and the team will need to have 30 to 60 Blue Jays players/staff living there (some may have places in TO - there are condo's all over the place next to the RC). In addition, 30 visiting teams and staff, etc., will need to be bedded down for a day to three depending on how many games they'll be playing.

However, the hotel is big. IF - the hotel agrees to bed these walking test tubes for Covid-19, many from cities back in the States which are swimming in C-19 infections, I seriously doubt the Marriott will want to risk scaring away their normal business, or at least what is left of it. The MLB guys staying there would be a nice addition to their usual residents - BUT - not at the cost of their usual frequent users.

In addition, I feel there is one 800 pound gorilla sized complication in the C-19 universe that complicates every decision we humans have to make. I'm 74 and I've NEVER seen a flu/cold/virus like C-19 that did not reduce significantly in the hot summer weather. This fu*king little mass spreader is CLEARLY a beast who's an order of magnitude more infectious than anything I've ever seen. There is a chance that this MLB season will start, begin to unravel and be called off.

Anyway, even if I only get to see one televised game before the season sinks I'll be happy. Beggars can't be choosers.

Stay safe, self distance, try not an kill too may old b*ggers like me. Unless of course they've got a few bob and you're in line to inherit! I'm old but I still understand the power of greed! That's why I don't let my nephews and nieces get within a mile of me!
scottt - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 06:42 PM EDT (#387756) #
I can't imagine a Canadian spending time at a Toronto hotel right now.
There is no international travel. 
The whole hotel should be available.

The virus does terrible in hot humid weather.
Why is it spreading down south? They're all piling up in air conditioned bars and rooms.

Mylegacy - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 07:10 PM EDT (#387757) #
Scottt, air conditioning is an excellent answer! However, air conditioners have filters (I don't know if they can stop Covid-19 - I doubt they are fine enough to do so) - SO - I strongly suspect you are correct to some serious degree! Bravo!
AWeb - Monday, June 29 2020 @ 10:50 PM EDT (#387758) #
"The virus does terrible in hot humid weather." - WHAAAAT? Current world top daily cases include the US (concentrated in the hottest places especially right now), Brazil, India, Russia (it's hot and humid like much of Canada this time of year), Bangladesh, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, etc. The virus is spreading in a lot of these places where air conditioning is not widespread or available. I don't doubt AC'd indoor gathering spots are bad, but there's not much evidence it would be substantially better if it was simply hotter and more humid in those locations.  There are very few cold places during northern hemisphere summer, but I wouldn't count on heat and humidity helping much at all. And the daily heat and humidity is lethally hot in some of these countries during heatwaves, so indoor gatherings with AC is required.

Most of the transmission is caused by being in close proximity to others, fairly immediate and airborne. Filters for air flow are way too late to do any good if someone nearby is coughing/breathing it on you. It's why choirs, churches, gyms, and bars are so good at spreading it around. Since they are going to let infected people into the country to play sports, they should be forcibly isolating them. Call it being held prisoner if you want, but lots of countries have done this for short periods for regular citizens, let alone a for-profit entertainment enterprise. If this goes wrong and an outbreak spreads from pro sports into currently uninfected areas, heads should literally roll for those who made the decision.
John Northey - Tuesday, June 30 2020 @ 12:33 AM EDT (#387760) #
Agreed 100% AWeb. If an outbreak in Toronto happens and it is traced to the Jays/other MLB teams then a lot of people should be in very, very deep trouble over it beyond those who get COVID. The AC issue is due to it blowing the COVID around in the air, thus making it travel all over the room before it has a chance to die off. It would rarely reach the filters. India has very little AC as they don't have enough electricity to handle it when it gets to 50 C in the summer (I have a friend/co-worker who is from there).

Basically now we have to hope the Jays and other teams and players will all be super-careful as none want to let their teams down by being put on the COVID list. Lets hope these 20 & 30 something athletes aren't too stupid and are reminded of their team over and over again. I find most athletes will take insane risks for themselves, but if it hurts the team then the pressure is skyrocketed to not do it.
scottt - Tuesday, June 30 2020 @ 09:44 AM EDT (#387761) #
Saudi Arabia is not humid.
In many of these places, it's the lack of social distancing that is causing the spread.
Like public transportation in India is famously bad. People routinely dying from trampling bad.
There is no shutdown in Brazil.
We should expect the propagation to spike up here in the fall.
High humidity acts like wearing a mask. It limits the spread from one infected individual.
That's why flu season ends in the spring.
In some countries, like say France, the distance is only 1m right now.

Just look at the Kingston nail salon outbreak. Indoors.
It's mostly bars that are fueling the spread in Texas.

I'm a lot more concerned about people from Toronto hitting the cottages than a few baseball players hanging around an hotel in Toronto. I doubt the baseball players will go shopping.

Mike Green - Tuesday, June 30 2020 @ 09:54 AM EDT (#387762) #
It didn't work so well in Dunedin/Clearwater.
scottt - Tuesday, June 30 2020 @ 10:06 AM EDT (#387763) #
I don't see how filters could protect me from someone sitting right next to me.
What air conditioner do is remove humidity from the air.
So, inside, I'd want the full 2 meter.

Consider that there has been no outbreaks associated with the huge protests we've had over the last month.

bpoz - Tuesday, June 30 2020 @ 11:14 AM EDT (#387764) #
Thanks for the information on covid19's activity at home and all over the world. The ways of living and the repercussions of those ways. I am happy to stay home, relax and hopefully stay safe. I hope all of you are doing ok.

Since we are having a season I like Nate Pearson's "All gas, no brakes".

I fully expect health issues to happen in baseball. Some players have declared in writing that they will not play this year. Good for them.
grjas - Tuesday, June 30 2020 @ 01:06 PM EDT (#387765) #
MLB rightfully installed mesh to protect fans after a very small number of people got seriously injured. Now they’re planning to cart players from location to location with the high likelihood that some local infections will occur leading to some serious illness or death.

Reminds me of people who freak out about terrorists then tail gate you on the DVP.
scottt - Tuesday, June 30 2020 @ 01:20 PM EDT (#387766) #
Canada has been cleared as a safe destination to travel to and from Europe starting tomorrow.
I believe, most of that traffic will be through Toronto.
Air Canada just canceled 30 domestic routes.

jerjapan - Wednesday, July 01 2020 @ 11:59 AM EDT (#387767) #
Phillippe Aumont has 'retired to become a farmer'.
That's both a great headline and a cool thing to be able to do, especially at his age.  Being a first rounder likely helped.  I'm guessing we see a lot of minor leaguers retiring over the next few days with rosters set.  I'd be retiring right now if I were a journeyman AAAA type. 


scottt - Wednesday, July 01 2020 @ 02:32 PM EDT (#387768) #
He really gave his all to return given that he now has a little girl, but there's nowhere for him to play now.

It seems like Toronto will share the NHL hub with Edmonton.
No need to worry about the Jays.

bpoz - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 09:27 AM EDT (#387769) #
Some transactions. Luciano, H Perez, B Drury and J Davis to the 10 day injury list. Breyvic Valera claimed off waivers from SD.
John Northey - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 11:27 AM EDT (#387770) #
Jays official announcment...
ROSTER MOVES: We've claimed INF Breyvic Valera off waivers from the Padres.

Additionally, we've added OF Josh Palacios, UTIL Patrick Kivlehan and RHP Bryan Baker to our Club Player Pool.

Thansk bpoz for other transactions which probably affect these.
Mike Green - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 11:58 AM EDT (#387771) #
Over 10,000 cases today in Florida.  The last thing Canada needs right now is ballplayers and coaches going back and forth from the United States.  I didn't sign on to Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign in the 80s, but I'm happy to steal the slogan.


scottt - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 12:36 PM EDT (#387772) #
For some reason, it seems players who test positive will just be put on the IL without explanations.

In the case of Drury, I'm hoping it's a season ending thing.

bpoz - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 01:24 PM EDT (#387773) #
Torkelson signed for $1,000 above slot. $8.4 mil

Kjerstad signed at $2.3 mil under slot.

Max Meyer $521,200 below slot.

A Lacy and A Martin still to sign.
bpoz - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 01:41 PM EDT (#387774) #
The virus could dictate the line up.

Scottt prefers Drury on the bench I presume. But if healthy he could get the most playing time.

Are there 8 other players to fill out the line up that may be deemed under whelming ? Yes, I know there are but I want to be respectful.

Sorry this sounds cruel and insulting. That 9 man line up is still made up of players that believe in their dream.

OF McKinney, F Wall and J Palacious.

IF Velara, Kivlehan, Burns and Tejada.

C and DH Adams/Kirk.

Hopefully the announcers stay healthy. The above line up would be a challenge to them.
Jonny German - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 01:46 PM EDT (#387775) #
Breyvic is back! Shades of November 2010 when the A’s took Edwin on waivers but then he signed back a month later.
Mike Green - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 02:25 PM EDT (#387776) #
A little bit of Edwin in my life
A little bit of Gio by my side

Breyvic Mambo 2020
Mylegacy - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 02:42 PM EDT (#387777) #
Just a quick update...

Covid-19 has changed. Apparently there has been four mutations. The most recent started in Europe, and has spread stateside, what's most concerning and is (allegedly) the reason for the BIG US spike is that it infects the upper respiratory system more than the older version and is therefore more contagious. However, it is not more deadly.

The main mutation is in the spike part of the virus and that is the part that most of the vaccines are targeting - SO - they are worried that the vaccines MAY not work.

The medical pro's are scrambling. IF - this means the vaccines need to be reworked - we may be back to square one.

Capital F.U.C.K!

Baseball? I remember it well, my father used to attend games before humans had to wear plastic pods over our heads to stay alive. Those ere the good old days! At least on-line checkers is still legal!
scottt - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 02:57 PM EDT (#387778) #
The vaccine might ends up being a combo of multiple strains.
It's going to take a while. Nothing has really changed.
Back in March, the talk was 12 to 18 months.

The more people are infected the more the virus has a chance to mutate.
Currently the US has over 25% of all active cases.
They've also taken over all the doses of the only effective remedy: Remdesivir.
I wonder how much that cost to the average US resident. 

Mike Green - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#387779) #
Canada extended its mandatory quarantine regime for people entering Canada until August 31.  The order does not apply to people who cross the border regularly to ensure goods and services continue to flow or to anyone entering to provide essential services. 

I know, I know. Baseball is "essential", like firefighting, nursing, and paramedic services.  Or else it's part of the supply chain. Whatever.
Magpie - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 03:30 PM EDT (#387780) #
Arizona just reported more cases in one day than the European Union. The entire European Union. But at least it's not as many as Florida.
johnny was - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 06:10 PM EDT (#387781) #
American patients will be billed a little over $3100 for 6 doses of remdesivir. These are great times to be exiled in a red state...
John Northey - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 08:43 PM EDT (#387782) #
Canada's peak for cases was just shy of 2000 in one day (via government site) based on date of illness onset. The US has has 20k per day first on March 30th and every day since June 16th. IE: the worst Canada has done the US has been over (per person in population using the generous to the US 10 times estimate as Canada is now 37 million and the US 328 million) most days since the end of March and non-stop since mid-June. Ugh. May 22nd was the last time Europe cracked 20k in a day, but have been just under it quite often since then. Europe cracked 40k once on April 4th (just). The US had 54k new cases on July 1st.

Scary figures for the USA - even more so when put into context (Europe is bigger than the USA in population). US figure via the CDC, Europe from Statica, Canada via canada.ca - figures are a bit different depending on source but the spreads are so big a clear picture is there. Europe and Canada have work to do still, but the US has pretty much lost the war it seems as you even have COVID parties in Alabama I read - kids having a party where they all pay into a pot and the first to test positive gets the pot. Ugh.
Mylegacy - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 09:38 PM EDT (#387783) #
A little above this in the thread ThreeTScott said: "It's going to take a while. Nothing has really changed."

He is 100% correct and 100% wrong - and within 14 days of the end of this July 4th weekend we will know if I'm correct in my observations.

IF -

1) This massive increase is because of a new explosively infectious strain of Covid-19 then he will be 100% correct that this is going to take a while. Indeed, that will be a ludicrous understatement.

2) However, as can be seen already, this new mutation appears to be unleashing an order of magnitude more infections. His comment that, "Nothing has really changed." will end up being right up there with, "The Titanic is unsinkable." ThreeT will be more or less 100% wrong.

Everything will be changing!

After America has spent a long weekend - in an orgy of unprotected self congratulatory sex, er... sorry... unprotected mingling - within 14 days the cases will be off the charts and outside any possibility of containment.

Our hubris will have been exposed and a few Blue Jays winging their way back to TO will be remembered as nothing more than an historical footnote about the one MLB team that escaped Hell before the doors were shut!

Perhaps, just perhaps, I'm underestimating the situation. But, I fear not... sigh!
John Northey - Thursday, July 02 2020 @ 10:18 PM EDT (#387784) #
Yeah mylegacy - the USA is a crap show (and that is probably a nice way to put it). Canada needs to keep that border as closed as possible - I suspect the Jays won't be playing regular season games here but will need to move to Buffalo - no way on earth I want 9 other teams coming and going over and over again for the rest of summer. The NHL might be the luckiest/smartest league by playing all its games up here (Edmonton/Toronto).

Maybe the Jays having 'spring training' here will get lucky and if MLB gets canceled the players will choose to stay here, thus leading to the Jays being the healthiest team going into 2021. At least Vlad can stay as he is a Canadian citizen.
85bluejay - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 09:20 AM EDT (#387785) #
I expect to see Mike Green and his posse greet the Jays with picket signs at Rogers Centre.
Mike Green - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 09:37 AM EDT (#387786) #
I haven't picketed anything since COVID-19 arrived, and I'm not about to start now. 

Our federal representatives do need to hear from us, and not just those of us in Toronto.  The feds are responsible both for immigration and aviation.  By letting in visitors from Florida without quarantine and then letting people fly in tight spaces across Canada, the feds are enabling the spread of the virus in Canada.  We should have an advantage because of the vast distances in the country but somehow it looks like we are going to blow it.  It's pathetic because we have watched the virus spread in the US over a period of months and you would think we would take the hint. 
scottt - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 11:28 AM EDT (#387787) #
What does Quarantine mean? For Covid-19, it just means staying in a location where you cannot be in contact with other people. Initially, they used army bases for that. I don't see why they can't use the RC and the adjoining hotel. They have to follow strict rules, that's all. When I was positive, I wasn't allowed to leave the house and relatives dropped lots of cooked food at my door. Most hotels in Toronto are empty. The NHL guys will be in an other area. 

One thing that bothered me when I was positive was families walking their dog on the manicured hospital grounds or elderly taking walks by the testing centers. In both case people were walking right by me in parking lots. Completely  insane, but it doesn't seem like anything  bad happened.

The biggest issue is not with the players, but with the players' families.
I don't expect the WAGs to stay cooked up in an hotel for 3 months.

The other aspect is ensuring the players are isolated from one another so any positive case doesn't affect the entire team. That's a bit complicated and that only need to happen once they start playing and traveling. The key is that you can't have the catchers together or the outfielders together or the pitchers together.

Fun times.

Mike Green - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 12:05 PM EDT (#387788) #
New Zealand does quarantine incoming travelers in government paid hotels.  Here are the rules.

The bigger worry, of course, is not the Blue Jays but opposing teams coming in and out once the season begins. 
James W - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 12:32 PM EDT (#387789) #
Kaitlyn McGrath's latest in The Athletic details the logistics of summer camp training in Toronto.

- Anyone coming from Dunedin must take two Covid tests and an antibody test. They are only permitted to travel with two negatives.
- Flight to Toronto will be a private charter through a private extension at Pearson.
- Team travels from Pearson to SkyDome on private buses that satisfy PHAC's cleaning and distancing guidelines.
- Upon arrival, players and personnel are not permitted to leave the premises. Toronto-based staff who interact with the traveling party will also quarantine.
(There are other details, but that's the major stuff.)

Doesn't yet cover how it will work with visiting teams, but I'd assume something similar. The key is to start with everyone negative, and not let an outside agent in to muddy the waters. I'm not sure if it's possible, but we'll see.
Mike Green - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 12:38 PM EDT (#387790) #
On MLB.com, the safety protocols in season were for testing every other day. Given the turnaround time for testing, any other method is probably not going to work and it's obviously insufficient.

There was a test lab for baseball to show that it could manage this in Florida, and one that did not require travel.  Baseball failed badly.
scottt - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 01:33 PM EDT (#387791) #
We're not quite at the visiting teams level.
I suppose they'll wait until the very end to give approval in case there are some cases at the RC.
The Blue Jays needs to keep the reserves away from the regulars, so maybe the minors will end up in Buffalo or it could be the other way around.

Once in Canada, the other teams would have to do as told or be kicked out.
I'd expect no family and they'll disinfect the hotel rooms fully afterwards.

Glevin - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 02:39 PM EDT (#387792) #
Martin signs. No details on how much but doesn't really matter. I assume he'll be added to the taxi squad.
grjas - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 03:07 PM EDT (#387793) #
They have to follow strict rules, that's all. When I was positive, I wasn't allowed to leave the house and relatives dropped lots of cooked food at my door.

Therein is the challenge. You like the vast majority of Canadians acted smartly and responsibly. (And well done by the way! Hope you’re fully recovered).

There seem to be a large tranche of Americans- especially ball player aged ones- who aren’t there yet. I think we’d need a lot of good luck- or significant MLB penalties- to be able to “lock them” into hotels.
Gerry - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 05:09 PM EDT (#387794) #
New Zealand had strict quarantine rules but still had positive cases in the community because some were let out of quarantine early for compassionate reasons.

Australia now has a new outbreak due in part to returning travelers not following the quarantine protocol.

Hawaii has deported many visitors for not following quarantine.

Quarantine is hard, mentally, especially when you are young and itchy to have fun.
Mike Green - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 05:44 PM EDT (#387795) #
Absolutely true, Gerry.
Chuck - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 07:39 PM EDT (#387796) #
Quarantine is hard, mentally, especially when you are young and itchy to have fun.

And for pro athletes, add to that lots of money and lots of people, ahem, eager to share your company. The idea of pro athletes staying in their bubble seems laughable.

mathesond - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 08:14 PM EDT (#387797) #
"The idea of pro athletes staying in their bubble seems laughable."

Oh please. It's not like they've been brought up to believe they're invincible or anything.
John Northey - Friday, July 03 2020 @ 10:55 PM EDT (#387798) #
This will be a bit of a dogs breakfast won't it? I can live with 'spring training' but regular season I just don't see working as you would have teams travelling here and our team going down there to COVID central regularly. Buffalo is right there waiting. Use it Blue Jays. The grass field would be better for the players health anyways.

If the Jays really want to use the dome, maybe have the minor leaguers at the dome instead. Locked in so the kids are kept healthy while the ML'ers travel all over the states.
ISLAND BOY - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 05:24 AM EDT (#387799) #
" the ML'ers travel all over the states."

That alone is a scary thought.
Mike Green - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 11:10 AM EDT (#387800) #
There's a picture in today's Globe of Mike Trout wearing a mask while training with two Angel player and one coach nearby not wearing ones, and an article in mlb.com on Trout's ambivalence about playing this season in light of his first child being due in August. 

I believe Trout that it isn't about the money really.  He's got enough that the marginal benefit from this year's salary isn't the point.  He wants to play.  On the other hand, parenthood involves a lot of postponement...
Mylegacy - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 02:23 PM EDT (#387801) #
Covid-19 and the Business Insider (BI).

I was reading a post there about people who have had C19, no longer test positive, but are having serious symptoms over 100 days after they were infected.

They interviewed 17 of them! If BI can find 17 one wonders how many there are from among the 2,860,000 Americans who have been infected.

On July 3rd 2020 57,209 new Americans entered the queue in the Covid-19 Magical Mystery Tour! Sigh...
John Northey - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 03:13 PM EDT (#387802) #
The sooner a vaccine is found the better, but sadly we probably won't have one until the 2021 season gets going. And if it is found by an American company you can bet the fee for it will be insanely high. Meanwhile South America is seeing high rates and filled hospitals. The US is #1 in deaths but it appears some other nations are determined to catch up. Of course, the US has more dead than the next two combined and almost more than the next 3 combined (140k for Brazil/UK/Italy vs 130k for the US alone). Cases are similar with 2.8 million US vs 1.5 mil Brazil, 661k Russia, 627k India. Canada for cases is between Columbia and Qatar.
Chuck - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 04:03 PM EDT (#387803) #
the US has more dead than the next two combined

Which is why Trump is pushing for less testing. Less testing means fewer cases means fewer deaths. He's just trying to save lives is all. Why can't the radical left see this?

John Northey - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 07:25 PM EDT (#387804) #
Back to baseball - poor Tanaka got hit in the head by a line drive from Stanton. You can see it here. Ouch. Why on earth would they not use screens and/or pitchers helmets in the early part of summer training? He cradled his head for 5 minutes on the ground before gingerly walking off the field with help.

While I want the Yankees to lose this isn't the way. (cue Mandalorian music)
Mike Green - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 07:26 PM EDT (#387805) #
David Price joined Ian Desmond, Ryan Zimmerman, Joe Ross and Mike Leake on the sidelines this year.  Who's next?
John Northey - Saturday, July 04 2020 @ 09:07 PM EDT (#387806) #
Mike Trout is seriously debating it as he has a child on the way due in August and he doesn't want to miss it. Wonder how many guys are in his boat - wanting to be with family but not wanting to miss baseball either. I suspect a lot of guys near their end will end this year and others who are in their prime but with long term deals will also skip, or drop out after a month.
Michael - Sunday, July 05 2020 @ 02:17 AM EDT (#387807) #
For pitchers like Price, I wonder if the year off will actually do his arm good health wise. Might be a hidden benefit for mid-career pitchers.
John Northey - Sunday, July 05 2020 @ 03:28 AM EDT (#387808) #
A good check would be to see how the year off affected NHL'ers after 2004/05. For the over 40 crowd... Mark Messier, Igor Larionov, Adam Oates career ended, Chris Chelios went on for 5 more years. Guys who were 40 were Dave Andreychuk (1 more year), Ron Francis (done), Steve Thomas (done), James Patrick (done), and Al MacInnis (done). So a total of 2 out of 9 players 40+ played again after the year plus off. Other big names in their late 30's were... Brett Hull was 39 and only got 5 more games, Steve Yzerman got one more year (38 at the time), Scott Stevens was done, Mario Lemieux got one more season. I think we get the idea. Most near the end did not get a bonus out of that time off, it just ended their careers.

It will be interesting to see how this affects everyone in baseball - which players have a killer 2020? Who grows in 2021 and who drops?
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